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Stand Back - What input did Prince have on this?

Every search I bring up online says something different on this particular topic.

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Reply #1 posted 04/07/14 1:34am

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I think he played synthesizer on this song.Stevie Nicks supposedly wrote it after hearing "Little Red Corvette" on the radio,and somehow got Prince to visit the studio when it was being recorded?

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Reply #2 posted 04/07/14 1:38am

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He apparently wrote (and played) the heavy synth line on it, the DUGGA DUGGA DUGGA sound. I suppose what's weird is that the other synth line is based on Little Red Corvette so it's almost as if he wrote both bits.

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Reply #3 posted 04/07/14 5:02am

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He played synths on it. That's it, as far as we know.
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Reply #4 posted 04/07/14 5:20am

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From one of Stevie Nicks' interviews, she said she contacted Prince after being blown away by Little Red Corvette and wanted him to play on one of her new songs.

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He showed up to her studio (I believe in California), programmed the keyboards and left. She said he was only there about 15 minutes and what he did in that visit was the final version you hear today. She felt that was he did was so critical to the song, that he deserved a songwriting credit.

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I'm at work, otherwise I would search for the proper source.

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Reply #5 posted 04/07/14 6:34am

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this is kinda what I had read ... in different forums :

http://www.inherownwords.com/standback.htm

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Reply #6 posted 04/07/14 6:38am

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She was more than blown away by LRC, it was an inspiration for SB. She said she sang the melody to him on the phone then it's not clear whether he came by himself or she asked him and yeah he played keys (IIRC the sequencer line and the "toweep toweep" (not "dugga dugga lol ) sound, but I can't swear it). The verses melody also borrows a lot from LRC's melody anyway so besides P's contributions on keysgiving a lot of strength to the track, sharing songwriting credits made sense, but technically speaking she could as well have kept the songwriting credits, it was more of a gift to him.

It was P's first hit outside of his own songs and protégés and, with Sugar Walls and Manic Monday, it was one of these defining moments that made him one of the most wanted songwriters for a ecade.

It'd be nice if P did a mashup of LRC and SB (as well as one of 1999 and Manic Monday) the same way he merged ICC and Mutiny biggrin

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Reply #7 posted 04/07/14 7:19am

jaawwnn

databank said:

She was more than blown away by LRC, it was an inspiration for SB. She said she sang the melody to him on the phone then it's not clear whether he came by himself or she asked him and yeah he played keys (IIRC the sequencer line and the "toweep toweep" (not "dugga dugga lol ) sound, but I can't swear it). The verses melody also borrows a lot from LRC's melody anyway so besides P's contributions on keysgiving a lot of strength to the track, sharing songwriting credits made sense, but technically speaking she could as well have kept the songwriting credits, it was more of a gift to him.

It was P's first hit outside of his own songs and protégés and, with Sugar Walls and Manic Monday, it was one of these defining moments that made him one of the most wanted songwriters for a ecade.

It'd be nice if P did a mashup of LRC and SB (as well as one of 1999 and Manic Monday) the same way he merged ICC and Mutiny biggrin

WAAAAA now i'm as confused as the original poster. I was SURE i'd worked it out. lol

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Reply #8 posted 04/07/14 7:30am

jaawwnn

Here, I think she sings it in this interview

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/368104/stevie-nicks-on-her-connection-with-prince.jhtml

I'm not in the states so can't view it though, someone tell me which synth line she sings in this lol

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Reply #9 posted 04/07/14 7:39am

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Wish that Purple Rain demo cassette would leak that she mentions.

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Reply #10 posted 04/07/14 7:43am

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jaawwnn said:

Here, I think she sings it in this interview

http://www.mtv.com/videos/news/368104/stevie-nicks-on-her-connection-with-prince.jhtml

I'm not in the states so can't view it though, someone tell me which synth line she sings in this lol


I'm not in the USA, luckily, but simply add a Forwarded-For header and you're done.

Databank explains it as it is in the video.

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Reply #11 posted 04/07/14 7:50am

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jaawwnn said:

databank said:

She was more than blown away by LRC, it was an inspiration for SB. She said she sang the melody to him on the phone then it's not clear whether he came by himself or she asked him and yeah he played keys (IIRC the sequencer line and the "toweep toweep" (not "dugga dugga lol ) sound, but I can't swear it). The verses melody also borrows a lot from LRC's melody anyway so besides P's contributions on keysgiving a lot of strength to the track, sharing songwriting credits made sense, but technically speaking she could as well have kept the songwriting credits, it was more of a gift to him.

It was P's first hit outside of his own songs and protégés and, with Sugar Walls and Manic Monday, it was one of these defining moments that made him one of the most wanted songwriters for a ecade.

It'd be nice if P did a mashup of LRC and SB (as well as one of 1999 and Manic Monday) the same way he merged ICC and Mutiny biggrin

WAAAAA now i'm as confused as the original poster. I was SURE i'd worked it out. lol

No but the chords are also similar to LRC so u were right too, but the sound is a "toweep" not a "dugga" biggrin

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Reply #12 posted 04/07/14 7:56am

jaawwnn

databank said:

jaawwnn said:

WAAAAA now i'm as confused as the original poster. I was SURE i'd worked it out. lol

No but the chords are also similar to LRC so u were right too, but the sound is a "toweep" not a "dugga" biggrin

hahaha fair enough

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Reply #13 posted 04/07/14 9:28am

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Wouldn't it be outstanding if Prince himself was a member of the Org, and would routinely answer these kinds of threads?

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How cool would it be to hear it from the man himself?!

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Reply #14 posted 04/07/14 9:31am

Stimpy

Stevie said he wanted to hit that.

Think she wishes she had let him now?

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Reply #15 posted 04/07/14 11:22am

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On the flip side of things I remember Stevie suggested that Prince tryout and use the Sennheiser 441 microphone. To my knowledge Prince did use that mic when he recorded Kiss and the vocal track was left dry even after the mixing was done. Not sure but I think he still uses that mic to record.

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Funny I just heard that story again from Alan Hunter on SirriusXM radio 2 days ago.

[Edited 4/7/14 11:26am]

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Reply #16 posted 04/07/14 12:45pm

jaawwnn

databank said:

jaawwnn said:

WAAAAA now i'm as confused as the original poster. I was SURE i'd worked it out. lol

No but the chords are also similar to LRC so u were right too, but the sound is a "toweep" not a "dugga" biggrin

right, i've watched the video, Stevie Nicks sings it "didgedidgedidge" and "do dee do dee do dee" so that's the final word on the sounds! lol

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Reply #17 posted 04/07/14 2:16pm

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Se7en said:

Wouldn't it be outstanding if Prince himself was a member of the Org, and would routinely answer these kinds of threads?

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How cool would it be to hear it from the man himself?!

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There have been numerous DOCUMENTED cases where Prince has blatantly lied about stuff. Just look at the CB liner notes: full of errors and BS.

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Reply #18 posted 04/07/14 3:06pm

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BartVanHemelen said:



Se7en said:


Wouldn't it be outstanding if Prince himself was a member of the Org, and would routinely answer these kinds of threads?


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How cool would it be to hear it from the man himself?!



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There have been numerous DOCUMENTED cases where Prince has blatantly lied about stuff. Just look at the CB liner notes: full of errors and BS.


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Reply #19 posted 04/07/14 7:31pm

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Paraphrased from Stevie's Greatest Hits liner notes.

She had gotten married and was riding on the Pacific Coast Highway and heard Prince on the radio. Doesnt mention which song it was (but it was 'Little Red Corvette') and she says she and he new hubby immediately pulled off the road, hit a record store and bought the '1999' cassette. That led her to write 'Stand Back' but while recording, they couldnt get the synth part right. Someone called Prince, he showed up at the studio, played it for them and left ('walked out of my life' is the way Stevie put it). It worked so well and they were all so impressed that Stevie decided to give him a co-writing credit.

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Reply #20 posted 04/07/14 8:09pm

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Stand Back is a favorite because its a lot of fun, its a lot of fun and its a dancing song I mean its like even for me its like you know, hearing when it starts out, I almost feel like I 'm hearing it coming out of a club or something, so that's why its so much fun. ~Stevie Nicks, Radio Interview, WMGK Radio, July 1998

'Stand Back' has always been my favorite song onstage, because...when it starts, it has an energy that comes from somewhere unknown...and it seems to have no timespace. I've never quite understood this sound....but I have NEVER questioned it.

I become a different person, and I like that, because usually I make up my OWN characters...but the lady in 'Stand Back' was not my idea. By the way, Prince did come into the studio the night I called him and told him about the song, and he played incredible synthesizer on it...and then he just walked out of my life, and I didn't see him for a long time.

It was extraordinary... ~Stevie Nicks, Timespace Liner Notes, 1991

I phoned Prince out of the blue, hummed a melody, and he listened," says Nicks of the latter hit's gestation. "I hung up, and he came over within the hour. He listened again, and I said, 'Do you hate it?' He said, 'No,' and walked over to the synthesizers that were set up, was absolutely brilliant for about twenty five minutes, and then left. He was so uncanny, so wild, he spoiled me for every band I've ever had because nobody can exactly re-create - not even with two piano players-what Prince did all by his little self. ~Stevie Nicks, Rock Lives,by Timothy White,1991

I can't even really tell you what Stand Back is about. Stand Back's kinda about more than one thing. There was a lot going on when Stand Back was written so it kinda pulled together all the things that were happening so it wasn't about one thing. It was written very quickly and I really did hum along to Little Red Corvette. ...and of course, now you can go home and do it too. If you search you will be able to find it. So, it was kinda more built around that whole thing, you know? Stand Back and Dreams are my two favorite songs to perform on stage. ~Stevie Nicks, Jim Ladd Interview, 1998
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Reply #21 posted 04/07/14 8:33pm

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I wonder if he already had those sounds (keyboard parts) in mind for LRC. eek Maybe they were cut from the final mix and he just gave them to Stand Back. I can almost here those parts in LRC.

Kinda explains how he came up with them so quickly, and that fact that he recorded the parts in front of everyone in the studio. That's very unlike Prince.

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Reply #22 posted 04/08/14 3:44am

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G3000 said:

I wonder if he already had those sounds (keyboard parts) in mind for LRC. eek Maybe they were cut from the final mix and he just gave them to Stand Back. I can almost here those parts in LRC.

Kinda explains how he came up with them so quickly, and that fact that he recorded the parts in front of everyone in the studio. That's very unlike Prince.

I don't think there was anyone but Stevie and Prince and maybe an engineer. And it's not surprising for Prince to have a musical idea out of the blue and record it in 10 minutes.

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Reply #23 posted 04/08/14 2:13pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

Se7en said:

Wouldn't it be outstanding if Prince himself was a member of the Org, and would routinely answer these kinds of threads?

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How cool would it be to hear it from the man himself?!

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There have been numerous DOCUMENTED cases where Prince has blatantly lied about stuff. Just look at the CB liner notes: full of errors and BS.

you need a hug

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Reply #24 posted 04/08/14 2:14pm

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databank said:

G3000 said:

I wonder if he already had those sounds (keyboard parts) in mind for LRC. eek Maybe they were cut from the final mix and he just gave them to Stand Back. I can almost here those parts in LRC.

Kinda explains how he came up with them so quickly, and that fact that he recorded the parts in front of everyone in the studio. That's very unlike Prince.

I don't think there was anyone but Stevie and Prince and maybe an engineer. And it's not surprising for Prince to have a musical idea out of the blue and record it in 10 minutes.

she was int he studio with interscope head and BF Jimmy Iovine,,An yes i know he was just a producer at the time

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Reply #25 posted 04/08/14 4:51pm

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In finally b listened to this song for the very first time just now.

I hadn't heard it because of a known distaste I have for stevies voice.

I've made a mistake and should have stayed the course. Her voice....WOW...how can ANYone bear that voice for more than 2 seconds is beyond me. She sounds like a dying witch in the middle of having her vocal chords ripped out. Flat out horrid.

I hope in the future I can keep the promise to myself of never listening to a Stevie nicks song again.
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Reply #26 posted 04/08/14 6:46pm

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“(Prince) spoiled me for every band I've ever had because nobody can exactly re-create - not even with two piano players-what Prince did all by his little self.”

Stevie Nicks


STAND BACK was a result of Stevie Nicks’ January 29th wedding. "I'm driving to my honeymoon night in Santa Barbara from L.A., and 'Little Red Corvette' comes on," Nicks remembered. "We're like, oh my God, it's Prince! So I start singing all these words, and I'm like, 'Pull over, we have to get a cassette player! And we have to record this!' I'm writing in the car — here we are, newlyweds, and we get to our hotel and we're setting up the tape recorder and I've made up my whole new melody to [the song].”


When she returned to Los Angeles, she asked and was given Prince’s private phone number (“I'm Stevie Nicks, I can get it.”). “I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour.”


“When I got there, her and Jimmy Iovine couldn’t figure out how to work the drum machine,’ added Prince, ‘because people were using live drums at that point… so I went down there and programmed it for them and pretty much played most of the song there in about 20 or 30 minutes.”


“He came in, listened to the song you know, very cool, very quiet,’ fleshed out Nicks. ‘And I said, "Do you hate it?" and he said "No, it's okay, it's cool" and they set up an OB8 for him and he played the doo doo doo doo doo, the 1/16 note thing and then, he did it like one time. And then he went to the middle part where it goes deedat deedat deedat deedat.”


Stevie would eventually add “not only did Prince make it up right on the spot, he played it with only two fingers. Then he left.”


Ultimately, they didn't use everything he played, but his synth part is prominent in the final mix.

Stevie’s 1991 Timespace tour book summed up the way the song came together. “It never belonged to me, it has always belonged to the world~and to Prince, who inspired the entire song.”

"Prince and I became really good friends," Nicks eventually proclaimed to MTV news, "and he actually gave me a cassette, and said, 'There's a song on it, and I would like you to write.' I take it home and put it on, and I'm listening to this like amazing song ... and it's 'Purple Rain'! And I'm like, I can't write a song to this! It [wasn't] 'Purple Rain' yet, but it [was] the track that became 'Purple Rain.”

There is more to it, but this is the basic story.


(from an early, unpublished draft of PRINCE: The Studio Sessions by Duane Tudahl)

The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/
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Reply #27 posted 04/09/14 11:05am

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BobGeorge909 said:

In finally b listened to this song for the very first time just now. I hadn't heard it because of a known distaste I have for stevies voice. I've made a mistake and should have stayed the course. Her voice....WOW...how can ANYone bear that voice for more than 2 seconds is beyond me. She sounds like a dying witch in the middle of having her vocal chords ripped out. Flat out horrid. I hope in the future I can keep the promise to myself of never listening to a Stevie nicks song again.

And you think Prince's voice doesn't grate on more people even more? lol

Take a poll!

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Reply #28 posted 04/10/14 1:49pm

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Ugh. I love her SO much, I can't stand it! dancing jig

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Reply #29 posted 04/10/14 2:47pm

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madhouseman said:

“(Prince) spoiled me for every band I've ever had because nobody can exactly re-create - not even with two piano players-what Prince did all by his little self.”

Stevie Nicks


STAND BACK was a result of Stevie Nicks’ January 29th wedding. "I'm driving to my honeymoon night in Santa Barbara from L.A., and 'Little Red Corvette' comes on," Nicks remembered. "We're like, oh my God, it's Prince! So I start singing all these words, and I'm like, 'Pull over, we have to get a cassette player! And we have to record this!' I'm writing in the car — here we are, newlyweds, and we get to our hotel and we're setting up the tape recorder and I've made up my whole new melody to [the song].”


When she returned to Los Angeles, she asked and was given Prince’s private phone number (“I'm Stevie Nicks, I can get it.”). “I told him: 'I'm recording this song and I wrote it to "Little Red Corvette" and I'm giving you 50 percent of it and I want to know if you'd like to come play on it on one of the next three nights.' He was there in an hour.”


“When I got there, her and Jimmy Iovine couldn’t figure out how to work the drum machine,’ added Prince, ‘because people were using live drums at that point… so I went down there and programmed it for them and pretty much played most of the song there in about 20 or 30 minutes.”


“He came in, listened to the song you know, very cool, very quiet,’ fleshed out Nicks. ‘And I said, "Do you hate it?" and he said "No, it's okay, it's cool" and they set up an OB8 for him and he played the doo doo doo doo doo, the 1/16 note thing and then, he did it like one time. And then he went to the middle part where it goes deedat deedat deedat deedat.”


Stevie would eventually add “not only did Prince make it up right on the spot, he played it with only two fingers. Then he left.”


Ultimately, they didn't use everything he played, but his synth part is prominent in the final mix.

Stevie’s 1991 Timespace tour book summed up the way the song came together. “It never belonged to me, it has always belonged to the world~and to Prince, who inspired the entire song.”

"Prince and I became really good friends," Nicks eventually proclaimed to MTV news, "and he actually gave me a cassette, and said, 'There's a song on it, and I would like you to write.' I take it home and put it on, and I'm listening to this like amazing song ... and it's 'Purple Rain'! And I'm like, I can't write a song to this! It [wasn't] 'Purple Rain' yet, but it [was] the track that became 'Purple Rain.”

There is more to it, but this is the basic story.


(from an early, unpublished draft of PRINCE: The Studio Sessions by Duane Tudahl)

Awesome! Thx so much! I really hope u can finish this book one day, it could be the next big thing next to Per Nielsen's DMSR (hopefully going beyong 87)!

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