Databank .. I think the bet you keep referring to is whether or not prince will screw up his remasters ala .. editing out dirty words / concepts .. or a general 'breakdown' mastering fail

Not only do I not gamble .. but were I to take your bet I would be betting AGAINST my wish for this PR remaster project .. which would be that indeed the remasters sound good and are unaltered

As much as I want things to go your way .. it seems more likely PRince will screw this up somehow .. given his track record .. so if I bet I lose either way .. either I lose a hundred bucks (which I would much rather spend on great remasters) or I gain 100 bucks and the remasters are disgraceful.

How about we just bet a great big "I told you so" instead .. works for me .. I've been waiting for prince to shut me up with a quality release .. and while it seems so easy NOT to screw up a deluxe purple rain (I mean how stupid would prince have to be to ruin this) .. it is still likely.

You are welcome to send me a hundred bucks if that is super important to you when you lose .. but for me an 'I told you so' will suffice .. maybe there should be an 'I told you so' thread where we can predict the outcomes of each of prince announcements .. you know .. like 3Ehurl never being released .. or zoey song NOT being a hit .. so many times I have been right .. I should bet money .. I could probably buy a new car by now with my earnings on predicting prince failure .. I just feel bad taking from my lil rainbow children

TrevorAyer said:

Databank .. I think the bet you keep referring to is whether or not prince will screw up his remasters ala .. editing out dirty words / concepts .. or a general 'breakdown' mastering fail

Not only do I not gamble .. but were I to take your bet I would be betting AGAINST my wish for this PR remaster project .. which would be that indeed the remasters sound good and are unaltered

As much as I want things to go your way .. it seems more likely PRince will screw this up somehow .. given his track record .. so if I bet I lose either way .. either I lose a hundred bucks (which I would much rather spend on great remasters) or I gain 100 bucks and the remasters are disgraceful.

How about we just bet a great big "I told you so" instead .. works for me .. I've been waiting for prince to shut me up with a quality release .. and while it seems so easy NOT to screw up a deluxe purple rain (I mean how stupid would prince have to be to ruin this) .. it is still likely.

You are welcome to send me a hundred bucks if that is super important to you when you lose .. but for me an 'I told you so' will suffice .. maybe there should be an 'I told you so' thread where we can predict the outcomes of each of prince announcements .. you know .. like 3Ehurl never being released .. or zoey song NOT being a hit .. so many times I have been right .. I should bet money .. I could probably buy a new car by now with my earnings on predicting prince failure .. I just feel bad taking from my lil rainbow children

Fair enough Let the winner "I told u so" the loser to death then

And yeah I'm only referring to censorship of lyrics. I believe P has 100 ways of screwing up those remasters and I'd be surprised if they were as great as they could be, i.e. good sound quality remastering PLUS comprehensive in terms of previously released non album tracks and alternate versions PLUS a sufficient number of previously unreleased tracks, including non-circulating ones PLUS good packaging PLUS a possible video release alongside, etc. I just firmly believe no lyrics will be altered or censored, whether because of sexuality or profanities. There may be a family friendly and an explicit lyrics version, though, but I don't think the explicit versions will be left aside. But I share ur lack of trust in P's judgment when it comes to everything else

am i the only one who thinks they will milk this with remaster and reremaster etc like all bands do...?

luvsexy4all said:

am i the only one who thinks they will milk this with remaster and reremaster etc like all bands do...?

They will try but Prince is likely to sell the cow because it didn't produce 10 billion gallons of milk on the first day.

databank said:

It's just as if saying "I'm a creationist" and when people tell you why they think u're wrong going "what're u getting mad about, I never ever talked about creationism in the first place, u're nuts". This is manipulating people and it's also trolling.

. You're coming off pretty frustrated, and unstable, and full of mental gymnastics, and manipulations so you can feel right about a conversation that's over your head. It's not the first time you couldn't follow a conversation. Tone it down. I'm just sharing my working knowledge.

"So let the rain come down The rain come down Let the rain come down, down Let the rain come down The rain come down Let the rain come down, down Read more: Prince - 17 Days Lyrics | MetroLyrics"

....The Purple Rain is coming sooner thant expected (it seems).....see u soon for the comments!

[Edited 5/2/14 14:34pm]

love2thenines2003 said:

"So let the rain come down The rain come down Let the rain come down, down Let the rain come down The rain come down Let the rain come down, down Read more: Prince - 17 Days Lyrics | MetroLyrics"

....The Purple Rain is coming sooner thant expected (it seems).....see u soon for the comments!

[Edited 5/2/14 14:34pm]

I said at some point that the project was likly pretty far along. Could be for a June 24th? or maybe as late as Aug...

Some interesting infos from Schkopi, the french forum, who is lucky enough to have members who work at WB France and others who are in relation with WB employees. The sources are reliable. Sorry if some infos have already been posted.

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Those infos come from a music journalist who's got friends at WB France:

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The deal has been in negociation since last summer with many episodes in those negociations.

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The PR remaster was planned for next fall but news just popped-up that it may finally be released much earlier and an official announcement should be made in the next few days.

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There will be CD, vinyl and digital versions of it.

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There's no plan at this point for any video release associated with it. Bye bye Syracuse

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Still no other info available at WB regarding the reissue's content, nor how many CD's will be included.

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Those last 2 infos come directly from a WB France employee who posted them on the forum a few years back (they were reposted in the remaster's thread):

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WB France considered a The Time box-set with all 4 albums 4 years ago, but WB's legal department in the US said no to the project (we don't know why they refused to greenlight it but it clearly came from the legal dept). At least that's one more element to prove there is a market for the side projects: if WB France was ready for a rerelease when the band never had anything close to a hit in France (and MD & The Time can't even find French venues interested in programming them anymore), there should be a market in the US, Japan and worldwide

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I think this has already been addressed on the org but about 5 years ago P had a first negociation with WB concerning deluxe rereleases of his entire WB catalogue (without remasters rights reversion) that would have contained unreleased tracks. The deal didn't go anywhere because P was asking for too much money but the projects were supposed to be rereleased with uncensored sexual lyrics and profanities).

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I'll keep checking out the thread for more infos in the next days

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[Edited 5/3/14 11:52am]

databank said:

There's no plan at this point for any video release associated with it. Bye bye Syracuse

I've been thinking about whether to start a new thread or post this here, but here goes...

2 words: Warner Archive

Warner Archive releases movies and other video content on DVDRs in a Manufacture On Demand capacity. They mostly release material that will sell but not in enough quantities to justify printing and distributing thousands of pressed discs. They sell this material online at the wbshop.com and just about everything available there can also be purchased on Amazon.

It would make sense to release material like the Syracuse show in this way, thereby making some money and meeting the demand without risking very much investment.

In fact I emailed the wbshop just a couple months ago requesting that very show (as well as Sheila's Live Romance 1600 & 3 Chains O' Gold) be added their library. I got a response that the material I was requesting was not under consideration at this time.

However, now that Prince & WB have a deal, why not?!?

I will say there are things I don't like about MOD products. I don't like that they usually cost a bit more than pressed discs of similar material. This should not be necessary since they are keeping their costs down they should be able to pass that savings on to the the consumer. Greedy bastards.

I also don't like that these more expensive discs will not last as long as pressed discs. Because they are recordable discs the recorded surface is not protected like a pressed disc leaving them much more vulnerable to damage. And, it's well known that digital information will degrade faster on recordable media than on pressed media.

Those reservations aside, I have purchased a hand full of MOD discs from WB just to have the best quality possible on a physical media for material that I really love and want in my library. These (and other) Prince shows that I only have on VHS (and DVDRs I burned from my own VHS) fit that bill and I would rather purchase MOD versions than digital copies...

Just an idea, but a good one, no?

djThunderfunk said:

2 words: Warner Archive

I could see that down the road.

It depends how the label is handling Warner Music Video now.

Isn't Warner Music Group a totally separate entity from the movie studio now? If so, the recent deal might only cover the music.

electricberet said:

Isn't Warner Music Group a totally separate entity from the movie studio now? If so, the recent deal might only cover the music.

You're probably right.

However, I bet there are some good working relationships between them. Surely the details could be worked out.

djThunderfunk said:

electricberet said:

Isn't Warner Music Group a totally separate entity from the movie studio now? If so, the recent deal might only cover the music.

You're probably right.

However, I bet there are some good working relationships between them. Surely the details could be worked out.

Everything could be worked out between the two WB entities if there is money to be made. However, if this would require another separate deal with Prince...well, we know what that could mean.

electricberet said:

djThunderfunk said:

You're probably right.

However, I bet there are some good working relationships between them. Surely the details could be worked out.

Everything could be worked out between the two WB entities if there is money to be made. However, if this would require another separate deal with Prince...well, we know what that could mean.

Well, I never expected this current deal with WB was going to happen, so, here's hoping it's a sign of things to come and we finally see all this stuff get a release.

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

There's no plan at this point for any video release associated with it. Bye bye Syracuse

I've been thinking about whether to start a new thread or post this here, but here goes...

2 words: Warner Archive

Warner Archive releases movies and other video content on DVDRs in a Manufacture On Demand capacity. They mostly release material that will sell but not in enough quantities to justify printing and distributing thousands of pressed discs. They sell this material online at the wbshop.com and just about everything available there can also be purchased on Amazon.

It would make sense to release material like the Syracuse show in this way, thereby making some money and meeting the demand without risking very much investment.

In fact I emailed the wbshop just a couple months ago requesting that very show (as well as Sheila's Live Romance 1600 & 3 Chains O' Gold) be added their library. I got a response that the material I was requesting was not under consideration at this time.

However, now that Prince & WB have a deal, why not?!?

I will say there are things I don't like about MOD products. I don't like that they usually cost a bit more than pressed discs of similar material. This should not be necessary since they are keeping their costs down they should be able to pass that savings on to the the consumer. Greedy bastards.

I also don't like that these more expensive discs will not last as long as pressed discs. Because they are recordable discs the recorded surface is not protected like a pressed disc leaving them much more vulnerable to damage. And, it's well known that digital information will degrade faster on recordable media than on pressed media.

Those reservations aside, I have purchased a hand full of MOD discs from WB just to have the best quality possible on a physical media for material that I really love and want in my library. These (and other) Prince shows that I only have on VHS (and DVDRs I burned from my own VHS) fit that bill and I would rather purchase MOD versions than digital copies...

Just an idea, but a good one, no?

If the material is made available on a DVR, wouldn't it make more sense to just sell a digital download copy of it on the internet, in order to further cut costs? I mean, the consumer could then make a DVR copy if they were so inclined, and thus wouldn't have to pay as much for the privilege of having a disc made and sent to them. What advantage would there be in sticking to a physical medium? Is it due to older customers' possible technophobia, or fear over piracy?

electricberet said:

Isn't Warner Music Group a totally separate entity from the movie studio now? If so, the recent deal might only cover the music.

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It came out from Warner Music Video. That indicates the record label financed it. That said, it wouldn't shock me if the Prince release is more complex than Shiela E.'s was, and the movie studio was somehow involved in production. Also possible Warner split the archive, and took away the Music Groups concert film releases. I know of cases where a studio is financing a film, and the companies own music division is refusing to license music to the project, so it's really true that they might operate as separate entities.

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

If the material is made available on a DVR, wouldn't it make more sense to just sell a digital download copy of it on the internet, in order to further cut costs? I mean, the consumer could then make a DVR copy if they were so inclined, and thus wouldn't have to pay as much for the privilege of having a disc made and sent to them. What advantage would there be in sticking to a physical medium? Is it due to older customers' possible technophobia, or fear over piracy?

I believe they do also offer digital downloads of some, but I'm not sure.

Usually, it's just a couple dollars cheaper.

I can't help but rant: if you think "older customers' possible technophobia" is the reason many of us prefer physical media to digital, then, you are misinformed.

Some of us are collector's. If you have ever collected anything then you probably know that physical items can not be replaced by digital representations. Even with media the digital files fail to retain the concept of a collection.

Physical copies often have artwork, liner notes and other goodies in the packaging that can not be replicated by a digital file.

Physical copies are not dependent on hard drive performance, access to a cloud, future licensing agreements or subscription payments or changes in copyright ownership.

Physical copies can even survive an EMP.

But most of all, back to the beginning, Physical Copies Are Collectible.

That said, digital can be awesome too! I love many, many aspects of it.

Every CD I buy to collect, I rip to listen to on my iPod.

As someone who owns thousands of LPs, Cassettes, CDs, VHS, DVDs, Blurays etc.. I can tell you that you can keep a large library of music on one hard drive. You can't keep a very large movie library on one drive unless you're willing to reduce the quality because Blurays and even DVDs can hald bunches of GB.

whew... rant over. sorry. ??

djThunderfunk said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

If the material is made available on a DVR, wouldn't it make more sense to just sell a digital download copy of it on the internet, in order to further cut costs? I mean, the consumer could then make a DVR copy if they were so inclined, and thus wouldn't have to pay as much for the privilege of having a disc made and sent to them. What advantage would there be in sticking to a physical medium? Is it due to older customers' possible technophobia, or fear over piracy?

I believe they do also offer digital downloads of some, but I'm not sure.

Usually, it's just a couple dollars cheaper.

I can't help but rant: if you think "older customers' possible technophobia" is the reason many of us prefer physical media to digital, then, you are misinformed.

Some of us are collector's. If you have ever collected anything then you probably know that physical items can not be replaced by digital representations. Even with media the digital files fail to retain the concept of a collection.

Physical copies often have artwork, liner notes and other goodies in the packaging that can not be replicated by a digital file.

Physical copies are not dependent on hard drive performance, access to a cloud, future licensing agreements or subscription payments or changes in copyright ownership.

Physical copies can even survive an EMP.

But most of all, back to the beginning, Physical Copies Are Collectible.

That said, digital can be awesome too! I love many, many aspects of it.

Every CD I buy to collect, I rip to listen to on my iPod.

As someone who owns thousands of LPs, Cassettes, CDs, VHS, DVDs, Blurays etc.. I can tell you that you can keep a large library of music on one hard drive. You can't keep a very large movie library on one drive unless you're willing to reduce the quality because Blurays and even DVDs can hald bunches of GB.

whew... rant over. sorry. ??

Yeah, I basically agree with you, when I said technophobia I should've used quotation marks, I wasn't refering to my own feelings on the matter but possible reasons why a label exec might not make such items available through download but offer them on made on demand DVRs. As someone whose been rather concerned recently about their portable hard drive (which holds my entire Prince bootleg collection, and much more besides) I definitely understand the need for a physical copy.

I wouldn't call myself a collector, but yeah, I do really appreciate a well made physical copy of an item. I do have something of a fetish for nice big box sets and special editions, and that's why my 45th anniversary copy of The Velvet Underground And Nico sits pride of place on my music shelf, as will the Prince reissues when they come out.

Still, I would image that the material released on Warner Archive would be released in as bare bones packaging as possible, so as to save on production costs, n'est-ce pas? I would have much less reason to be proud of a DVD that I could basically make myself, with a cover printed off the internet and the disc labelled with a sharpie.

djThunderfunk said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

If the material is made available on a DVR, wouldn't it make more sense to just sell a digital download copy of it on the internet, in order to further cut costs? I mean, the consumer could then make a DVR copy if they were so inclined, and thus wouldn't have to pay as much for the privilege of having a disc made and sent to them. What advantage would there be in sticking to a physical medium? Is it due to older customers' possible technophobia, or fear over piracy?

I believe they do also offer digital downloads of some, but I'm not sure.

Usually, it's just a couple dollars cheaper.

I can't help but rant: if you think "older customers' possible technophobia" is the reason many of us prefer physical media to digital, then, you are misinformed.

Some of us are collector's. If you have ever collected anything then you probably know that physical items can not be replaced by digital representations. Even with media the digital files fail to retain the concept of a collection.

Physical copies often have artwork, liner notes and other goodies in the packaging that can not be replicated by a digital file.

Physical copies are not dependent on hard drive performance, access to a cloud, future licensing agreements or subscription payments or changes in copyright ownership.

Physical copies can even survive an EMP.

But most of all, back to the beginning, Physical Copies Are Collectible.

That said, digital can be awesome too! I love many, many aspects of it.

Every CD I buy to collect, I rip to listen to on my iPod.

As someone who owns thousands of LPs, Cassettes, CDs, VHS, DVDs, Blurays etc.. I can tell you that you can keep a large library of music on one hard drive. You can't keep a very large movie library on one drive unless you're willing to reduce the quality because Blurays and even DVDs can hald bunches of GB.

whew... rant over. sorry. ??

I think we've had this debate b4 (it was with u wasn't it?) so I'm not gonna rant again about how I find digital copies more reliable in terms of conservation and more advantageous in terms of practical aspects than physical copies (let alone the fact that one doesn't have to pay for them!). I'll simply answer the collector's aspect: I was an avid CD and VHS (then DVD) collector, I owned more than 600 CD's and more than 200 films and I proudly exhibited them on their respective shelves. They, particularly the CD's, were my personal private treasure, really, and I never would have believed back then that I'd ever give up on them. God did I LOVE that CD collection! Eventually, though, I DID give up on them: I am now an avid collector of digital files instead. My digital albums are ordered and filed as precautionously as my CD's used to be, and this collection (now over 4000 albums) is my pride and my personal private treasure. Same with movies. I don't own a single CD anymore, I've ripped them all and sold them. The avid collecting reflex is still there and I treat my collection with just as much respect, it's exactly the same thing, only now it's digital Not trying to make a point over ur point, just showing a different perspective: different folks, different perspectives

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

stillwaiting said:

IF they stagger it more than 3 years, more of us old fans will be dead or not care. The ones who do will not likely be buying cds much more anyway.

I sure do hope that the Prince fan base doesn't die off in 3 years. We are in our early 40s & 50s!

I wouldn't mind an exception or two to this.

Can't we just worry about the "Purple Rain" 30th Anniversary Remaster first? U know the one that was mentioned in the brief announcement. Instead of "Shouda Woulda Coulda"....

It was important enough to be televised and sold on vhs in 1985, so why not remaster and release it on an official dvd for the 30th anniversary? Part, not all, of the reason Prince caught fire was due to his looks and his live performances. I'll put it another way. I was a fan of the song IWBYL. I was a fan of the song Controversy. I was a bigger fan of 1999 and LRC, so I bought the cassette. In 1984 a friend of the guy I was dating tried to get me to listen to a new release called PR and told me Prince was starring in his own movie. I thought...meh. Fast forward to the night of the AMA in '85. Prince performed PR live that night and I was hooked. This dude with mascara, paisley frills, and heels was SEXY when he performed!!! I didn't know what that said about me and frankly didn't, and still don't, care. He oozed testosterone on stage. I'd be lying to myself if I said an official live release of a concert from Prince's glory years wasn't a BIG DEAL to me. The live performances, for me, took me from liking his radio hits to wondering of him...What is answer, 2 the ? of U? Maybe they could try a Kickstarter project, or do advanced sales and promote it properly, especially here.

What the he** do I know?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Can't we just worry about the "Purple Rain" 30th Anniversary Remaster first? U know the one that was mentioned in the brief announcement. Instead of "Shouda Woulda Coulda"....

Sure. Go ahead. It's the only thing announced after all.

We can also speculate and fantasize and share our hopes & wishes for what it might lead to if we want.

We don't even care if it makes you do the eye roll thing... Knock yourself out.

Oops, double post.

[Edited 5/4/14 0:09am]

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

ilo said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That is not a very nice to say! U have no idea who is going to die. Only God does..

Couldnt agree more English, sorry Bob. My first thought was I'd probably be dead or at least too old to care. Remastered albums by other big artists have been released a few at a time. I highly doubt these will be any different to the current industry standard. And if you kill someone you know they are going to die. It happens on a minutely basis through personal choice or government sanctioned murder. The young man that killed a schoolteacher here in the UK this week knew it so your statement is a bit ill thought KCool. Harsh I know but I believe you're still quite young and so view the world slightly differently.

U'll b surprised @ how old Eye am. Let's just say, Eye been there from almost the beginning of Prince's LONG muziq career. NEVER left & NEVER claim death!!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

ilo said:The young man that killed a schoolteacher here in the UK this week knew it so your statement is a bit ill thought KCool. Harsh I know but I believe you're still quite young and so view the world slightly differently.

U'll b surprised @ how old Eye am. Let's just say, Eye been there from almost the beginning of Prince's LONG muziq career. NEVER left & NEVER claim death!!

I've seen a few horses with blinders on, but, my goodness...

Life is guite a stretch bigger, although, i appreciate you keeping it all on topic!

Prince! Prince! Prince!

I just want my '1999' remaster, that's all.

Prost!