EddieC said:

SoulAlive said:

a "house nigga"? That was a crude thing for Prince to say

It was. I wonder if he was talking specifically about Warner Bros, or if he meant it just because she was on any label. Didn't he make a reference to Lenny Kravitz being stuck on the "plantation" because of his contractual ties? The general metaphor is one used, but this is stronger, and angrier, and more personal--at least it seems like it to me.

doesnt he mean she is like the "token" nigga

I'm ready for the deluxe edition of The Black Album. Remember when he mentioned this years ago with one of the bonus tracks being called, "Pussy Power?" How can you not love a song called, "Pussy Power?"

jtfolden said:

babynoz said:

Ouch...

Someone on her page replied, "did he tweet it"?

Actually Prince has called out people on his websites more than once...

Even her own fans are questioning why she wanna pull out this old ass beef now?

2002? Really Meshell?

Seems to me now is a perfect time, for obvious reasons... and "house nigga"? Really? It doesn't matter whether the WB of today is different than the one of a decade ago or not.

Exactly. For Prince to say that about her back in 2002, it would stand to reason there should have been no way in hell, he'd have ever signed with WB again, for any reason. That's why Meshell brought it up now and I honestly don't blame her.

does this mean for u (78) tilll chaos and disorder (96) will be remastered with bonus?

i'll give LA Reid credit and say that when they annouces the FAllinlove single , Prince was on their artist page and press release etc..NADA on the WB site as of today

SchlomoThaHomo said:

TheEnglishGent said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I'm ready for the deluxe edition of The Black Album. Remember when he mentioned this years ago with one of the bonus tracks being called, "Pussy Power?" How can you not love a song called, "Pussy Power?"

Could that have evolved into pussy control?

With Prince you never know. It may also be related to Girl Power. In my head I hear it featuring Sheila, Cat, and Boni, considering the era.

It was in the French magazine JAZZMAG in fall 2009. They reported that Prince and WB had already been in negotiations for 12 months at that point, and that Warners wanted to release deluxe editions of each album, with unreleased material such as "Pussy Power" on The Black Album and the full extended version of "Computer Blue". The word at the time was that Prince wanted more money than Warners were willing to give him, so the project stalled.

Militant said:

nayroo2002 said:

i reallly don't need examples.

If you're a Prince fan, that's fine.

Noone needs to tell me that i'm not.

The guy made a bad judgement call.

i made a comment on that.

End of story. OK?

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I would also like a concert (doesn't have to be Syracuse!) from the era!

Prost!

He wasn't singling you out. At least, that's not how I read it.

U read it right bro! Actually Eye got it from Prince himself! Prince said that "the same people that bought "ATWIAD" was the same people that bought his "1999" album. He was speaking of his longterm fans that were there b 4 "Purple Rain".....

Militant said:

It was in the French magazine JAZZMAG in fall 2009. They reported that Prince and WB had already been in negotiations for 12 months at that point, and that Warners wanted to release deluxe editions of each album, with unreleased material such as "Pussy Power" on The Black Album and the full extended version of "Computer Blue". The word at the time was that Prince wanted more money than Warners were willing to give him, so the project stalled.

I can confirm this report 100 % TRUE!!

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I'm ready for the deluxe edition of The Black Album. Remember when he mentioned this years ago with one of the bonus tracks being called, "Pussy Power?" How can you not love a song called, "Pussy Power?"

Heck, I'd just be thrilled to have a copy of this album that doesn't sound like it's playing out of a telephone!

muleFunk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah there was a topic here some time ago that Prince was at WB. And the speculation was over the masters, re-masters, and a PR anniversary set.

again again (based on the report that it will be issued in june (but I am also hearing not until late summer-AUG perhaps) the work on PR-30 *30 tracks?* would be near complete. *but then again they were tweaking Ultimate until real close to its release. *who was that orger that was working on it? I forgot his name???

I dunno the name but I heard real good things about PR including the release of the full version of Computer Blue.

Two reasons to reply!

There was a short term orger with the handel "tangerine17" who kept us updated on the progress of 'Ultimate'. He used his own collection as the graphics for the inner sleeve.

(he also mentioned briefly that there was an extended version of "The Ballad Of Dorothy Parker" slated for release and replaced at the last minute with "If I Was Your Girlfriend" as the second single from 'SOTT'. My holy grail!)

Which segues perfectly into my other huge wish on a remaster, "Computer Blue" as it was in many fans' ears, intended!

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ok, maybe three reasons...

Alan Leeds, Susan Rogers and Boris Fishpaw should be involved in the projects! (imho)

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Prost!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Militant said:

He wasn't singling you out. At least, that's not how I read it.

U read it right bro! Actually Eye got it from Prince himself! Prince said that "the same people that bought "ATWIAD" was the same people that bought his "1999" album. He was speaking of his longterm fans that were there b 4 "Purple Rain".....

I have to say most days I find KCOOLMUZIQ's posts annoying

simply because he is such a total fanatic but these recent posts

are just hilarious! First he comments that only TRUE fans bought

ATWIAD and then when he is chastised for this comment he says

no no I didnt say that - Prince said that. Just throw Prince under the

bus so you can dodge the criticism. Is that any way to treat your

lord/savior/idol?

luvsexy4all said:

EddieC said:

It was. I wonder if he was talking specifically about Warner Bros, or if he meant it just because she was on any label. Didn't he make a reference to Lenny Kravitz being stuck on the "plantation" because of his contractual ties? The general metaphor is one used, but this is stronger, and angrier, and more personal--at least it seems like it to me.

doesnt he mean she is like the "token" nigga

It's way worse than that. Here's a link to how Malcolm X described the difference between the slaves in the house and the slaves in the field:

http://ccnmtl.columbia.edu/projects/mmt/mxp/speeches/mxa17.html

I'm white, so maybe I really can't say--but it seems pretty insulting to me. And the idea of coming back to make a deal with your former master? Well... maybe it's unfair to say that's what he's doing now; but it was probably unfair to say that to her, too.

thedoorkeeper said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

U read it right bro! Actually Eye got it from Prince himself! Prince said that "the same people that bought "ATWIAD" was the same people that bought his "1999" album. He was speaking of his longterm fans that were there b 4 "Purple Rain".....

I have to say most days I find KCOOLMUZIQ's posts annoying

simply because he is such a total fanatic but these recent posts

are just hilarious! First he comments that only TRUE fans bought

ATWIAD and then when he is chastised for this comment he says

no no I didnt say that - Prince said that. Just throw Prince under the

bus so you can dodge the criticism. Is that any way to treat your

lord/savior/idol?

Actually, i read it as him (coolmuzak) truly believing that Prince personally told him (ckcokomuzayk) that 'ATWIAD' was solely released to rid himself () of the 'PR' fans. What???

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Militant said:

He wasn't singling you out. At least, that's not how I read it.

U read it right bro! Actually Eye got it from Prince himself! Prince said that "the same people that bought "ATWIAD" was the same people that bought his "1999" album. He was speaking of his longterm fans that were there b 4 "Purple Rain".....

Yeah, Prince said that. He was wrong. I at least didn't put down money until Purple Rain; based on comments here on the org, a lot of people here almost jumped ship when Purple Rain came out (so I think we can safely assume many more actually did)--others don't seem to care for the classic Minneapolis Sound. I'm guessing there was a lot more audience fluidity in the eighties as Prince kept giving us different "Princes" every album or two. The numbers might have matched up, but they probably weren't the same people. There probably is a more consistent audience for him now (and it's considerable less than the numbers back then. By now, we know what we're getting (more or less), and have decided to more or less go along, assuming something will come along that we like. Also, Prince said what he said to try to talk his way out of his lowered sales: it's called SPIN. That's all it was. Not truth.

hopefully this will lead to Roadhouse Garden at some point .. also .. maybe he doesn't hate the REV? .. maybe he was just waiting for this moment to do the reunion the right way? .. it's a nice thought .. in comparrison his other bands have been a joke .. npg had some decent line ups but the lack of quality songs really ruined it .. would love a pr rev reunion tour plus roadhouse new cd promoted .. that would be the bomb! .. also would love a 12" tour with only full extended versions played .. not jammed but played as is on the 12"

TrevorAyer said:

hopefully this will lead to Roadhouse Garden at some point .. also .. maybe he doesn't hate the REV? .. maybe he was just waiting for this moment to do the reunion the right way? .. it's a nice thought .. in comparrison his other bands have been a joke .. npg had some decent line ups but the lack of quality songs really ruined it .. would love a pr rev reunion tour plus roadhouse new cd promoted .. that would be the bomb! .. also would love a 12" tour with only full extended versions played .. not jammed but played as is on the 12"

Interesting--I assume they don't have to be absolute copies, but it would be nice to have rounded off performances of the extended versions. Oh, heck--a B-sides tour!!! Now, that's a great idea.

lezama said:

I thought you said Twitter.

You are mistaken. I said "on his websites". Prince doesn't own Twitter.

Youre right, it is conjecture, but I doubt he'd reenter into a contract unless he thought the terms were good. They're working together now because it benefits the both of them.

The terms might be good for him but that doesn't mean it's a partnership situation. Remember, Prince contributed tracks to The Hits/The B-Sides collection but WB essentially paid him to "stay out of it" when it came to compiling the collection. The same here could be more or less true... They're throwing money at him and giving him his masters for anything he allows them to re-master and release. Again, that's conjecture, but Prince may have no direct involvement other than pulling a few vault gems out, etc... which probably would be best for all fans involved.

Its not irrelevant to her statement. She made a statement as if he were returning to a "house nigga" type contract, I'm saying thats doubtful.

I think you're overthinking and twisting it, no matter the contract Prince had no right to call her a "house nigga". It's trashy, rude and unbelievably insulting.

jtfolden said:

lezama said:

I thought you said Twitter.

You are mistaken. I said "on his websites". Prince doesn't own Twitter.

The terms might be good for him but that doesn't mean it's a partnership situation. Remember, Prince contributed tracks to The Hits/The B-Sides collection but WB essentially paid him to "stay out of it" when it came to compiling the collection. The same here could be more or less true... They're throwing money at him and giving him his masters for anything he allows them to re-master and release. Again, that's conjecture, but Prince may have no direct involvement other than pulling a few vault gems out, etc... which probably would be best for all fans involved.

Its not irrelevant to her statement. She made a statement as if he were returning to a "house nigga" type contract, I'm saying thats doubtful.

I think you're overthinking and twisting it, no matter the contract Prince had no right to call her a "house nigga". It's trashy, rude and unbelievably insulting.

is it bad of me not to are what P says to anyone good or bad?

lwr001 said:

jtfolden said:

I think you're overthinking and twisting it, no matter the contract Prince had no right to call her a "house nigga". It's trashy, rude and unbelievably insulting.

is it bad of me not to are what P says to anyone good or bad?

Eh, I like his music but think he's probably not such a great person in real life... but I tend to think a musician/actor's public and proffesional output can be disconnected from their "product".

They are no worse or better than anyone else on average so it would be pointless to hold them up on high. Other people have spats online... so Meshell and Prince can too.

Oh, and another thing on my remastered deluxe edition wishlist: no "live sets".

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I know, I know, most of you out there are screaming for my head, but I've just really never been into live recordings of shows. And it's not a soundboard-versus-bootlegger thing... I'd rather have studio-recorded music. If we're to be given a taste of The Vault, then I want it to be songs that I've either never heard before or only have lousy fourth-generation copies of, not an 8 minute version of "Let's Go Crazy" recorded in Kansas City in '84.

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But the thing is, what with a live Prince album being a real holy grail for many people, I can almost bet that any "Disc 2" in these remastered sets will be a live concert or club date. Might not be the all-time classics that so many people adore, but there will definitely be a bevy of live tracks. Seems like a lot of the expanded reissues these days include a live disc.

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But, c'mon... I can't be the ONLY person on this site who's not that into live recordings? Am I? Hello?...

GiggityGoo said:

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But, c'mon... I can't be the ONLY person on this site who's not that into live recordings? Am I? Hello?...

No, I utterly and completely agree. I want previously unreleased studio content... i don't want live recordings unless that was the way the song was originally recorded.

...and I dont want NEW remixes of old classics, either.

GiggityGoo said:

Oh, and another thing on my remastered deluxe edition wishlist: no "live sets".

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I know, I know, most of you out there are screaming for my head, but I've just really never been into live recordings of shows. And it's not a soundboard-versus-bootlegger thing... I'd rather have studio-recorded music. If we're to be given a taste of The Vault, then I want it to be songs that I've either never heard before or only have lousy fourth-generation copies of, not an 8 minute version of "Let's Go Crazy" recorded in Kansas City in '84.

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But the thing is, what with a live Prince album being a real holy grail for many people, I can almost bet that any "Disc 2" in these remastered sets will be a live concert or club date. Might not be the all-time classics that so many people adore, but there will definitely be a bevy of live tracks. Seems like a lot of the expanded reissues these days include a live disc.

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But, c'mon... I can't be the ONLY person on this site who's not that into live recordings? Am I? Hello?...

If it were a case of having either unreleased, unbootlegged studio stuff or a soundboard I'm sure most people here would go with the former. I mean, live stuff is pretty damn well represented bootleg-wise, and tbh although the quality of performance can vary considerably from show to show, they're often much of a muchness, with pretty similar content all around (the amount of times I've heard Prince ask the audience whether their man has an ass like his during How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore has really started to grate ). Stuff like Wednesday or a studio quality extended Computer Blue is naturally much more exciting, since we haven't heard it before.

That said, if it's a three disc set a pristine soundboard would very much be appreciated by me, or even better a DVD, considering we haven't had any live video releases for a very long time. As long as vault stuff isn't sacrificed to put those on the set I'd be very happy with their inclusion.

I went to the Warners site, Prince is not on their artist list.

jtfolden said:

GiggityGoo said:

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But, c'mon... I can't be the ONLY person on this site who's not that into live recordings? Am I? Hello?...

No, I utterly and completely agree. I want previously unreleased studio content... i don't want live recordings unless that was the way the song was originally recorded.

...and I dont want NEW remixes of old classics, either.

same here. a live disc included in a super deluxe edition would be great, but if it's

either/or than i want studio stuff all the way. this is probably the best shot we have

at getting some outtakes in decent quality.

also, no new mixes or rerecorded 2014 versions or anything like that. the more of

that stuff is packed on there, the less room for the real good stuff.

jtfolden said:

I think you're overthinking and twisting it, no matter the contract Prince had no right to call her a "house nigga". It's trashy, rude and unbelievably insulting.

No, not overthinking anything and not twisting anything. Just pointing out that she made an assumption about the nature of the deal that she's not privvy to, and it'd be well within reason to assume that he got a deal that he was sustantially satisfied with considering the time it took for them to reach an agreement. Ive not made any statements about the morality or veracity of what was said. I personally DGAF to be honest, its not my life and it wouldn't be the first or the last time he said something that was or would be morally questionable. But thats part of why I like him. He DGAF either.

lezama said:

jtfolden said:

No, not overthinking anything and not twisting anything. Just pointing out that she made an assumption about the nature of the deal that she's not privvy to, and it'd be well within reason to assume that he got a deal that he was sustantially satisfied with considering the time it took for them to reach an agreement. Ive not made any statements about the morality or veracity of what was said. I personally DGAF to be honest, its not my life and it wouldn't be the first or the last time he said something that was or would be morally questionable. But thats part of why I like him. He DGAF either.

She made no assumption at all... that's where your problem is here. The details of her contract with WB, the details of HIS contract with WB... it makes no difference to the fact he had no business calling her a "house nigga" either way. Do you think because he *might* have a better deal now that made it ok to call her that?

Has anyone else seen this on FB? Revolution reunion with Prince?

https://www.facebook.com/...mp;theater