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Reply #30 posted 03/06/14 9:30am

Byron

luv4u said:

theblueangel said:

I get that the org has to be very very careful... but requiring the Prince camp to specifically "reach out" to the org to give "permission" to post a link to his official YouTube channel ... I mean, that's just stupidity at its greatest. Let's do some critical thinking here, people.

If he wanted the advertising on here we would of been contacted. Drfunkenberry has the purple seal of approval to post vids and pics and other 'approved' materials, he is his mouth piece. The org is not nor was chosen to be a mouth piece for Prince.


Ok, there are a whole crapload of logic flaws in that lol...not saying they're your logic flaws, mind you. They could be Prince's. I dunno.


But if Prince only wants Dr. F to be his "mouth piece", then starting up an official, verified youtube channel and allowing literally the entire planet to embed his videos was a catastrophically bad decision on his part. It's absolutely impossible for him to sue or shut down websites that decide to carry/promote/advertise official youtube videos that he put up and allowed to be embedded. Right now there are hundreds (if not thousands) of websites that are gonna embed his Arsenio video on their blogs/sites/whatever, and simply telling their visitors to check out Prince on Arsenio. My guess is that no one is gonna think they are his official mouth piece, but instead are just passing along a cool video.


The most Prince can do is remove the video from youtube or disable embedding. Why he didn't/hasn't done that, I have no clue. If anyone on the Org is seriously worried about being shut down from even posting links to his official youtube videos, their fear isn't rooted in anything contained in law--well, unless there are connections to and legal agreements with Prince behind the scenes that us peons don't know about lol...which could be the case. If so, then it would be great if those legal agreements that keep us Prince fans from actually being able to share his officially released videos were to bring other benefits to the site other than not being shut down lol...(which kinda contradicts his statements in his interview about fans sharing his stuff with other fans is cool, but not bootleggers mass producing unreleased stuff for profit)

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Reply #31 posted 03/06/14 9:33am

Byron

VenusBlingBling said:

iZsaZsa said:

VenusBlingBling said: No, it's there.

How frustrating, I really can't find it. confused


Well, Prince was on the Arsenio Hall Show...and he posted a video of the full episode.


Usually, having that much info brings the appropriate video to first on the results list lol wink

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Reply #32 posted 03/06/14 9:49am

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Byron said:

VenusBlingBling said:

How frustrating, I really can't find it. confused


Well, Prince was on the Arsenio Hall Show...and he posted a video of the full episode.


Usually, having that much info brings the appropriate video to first on the results list lol wink

Not when I googled and Youtubed it... shrug

But got it now! wink

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Reply #33 posted 03/06/14 10:07am

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Thank you Prince. I diss you, but love you--always will. I want you to live up to your potential. Listen to Beck's new album for proof.

I'm scratching my head at that statement. The man has done more with his gift than many do with theirs. I'd say he's been living his potential for a while - even if it's not the way we want him to do it. Of course, there's always room for improvement but the potential you're talking about is God-like. Beck doesn't have that either.

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Reply #34 posted 03/06/14 10:38am

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Wot??!! You want the org shut down?

You say that is the outcome.

If so then fair use is out the window. (we're fans, there's no ads, here, etc)

If so the USA is once again most certainly lost beyond saving.

Your mind set is 'off'.

never thought i say this to you but i agree

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Reply #35 posted 03/06/14 10:58am

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Well, now Dr.Funkenberry posted a clip from Prince's channel. The entire show is up on there now. So I'm guessing it really is official, especially since that's what the Doctor is literally saying! cool

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Still not OK to link to it?

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Reply #36 posted 03/06/14 11:09am

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Excellent stuff. Took me ages to realise that F5 was my friend in Firefox though... wink
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Reply #37 posted 03/06/14 11:10am

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VenusBlingBling said:

Well, now Dr.Funkenberry posted a clip from Prince's channel. The entire show is up on there now. So I'm guessing it really is official, especially since that's what the Doctor is literally saying! cool

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Still not OK to link to it?

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You can post the drfunkenberry site link. No youtube links.

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Reply #38 posted 03/06/14 11:34am

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That's actually Prince's FOURTH official YT channel.

There's the regular 3EG channel, the 3EG vevo with only FULU on it, the Prince vevo with only BCW on it and now this... He really doesn't want all his apples in one basket lol lol lol

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Reply #39 posted 03/06/14 11:46am

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databank said:

That's actually Prince's FOURTH official YT channel.

There's the regular 3EG channel, the 3EG vevo with only FULU on it, the Prince vevo with only BCW on it and now this... He really doesn't want all his apples in one basket lol lol lol

The issue with VEVO pages is that the artist doesn't have access to them - the accounts are maintained automatically by the record labels/distributors.

For example - this is the official YouTube for my band, and this is "our" VEVO page.

It's obvious from looking at them what the difference is. Our actual YouTube page is obviously maintained by us, our fans are subscribed to it, it has our interviews, acoustic sessions, etc. Whereas our VEVO page is just completely lifeless, and seems to contain random music videos from other artists that have nothing to do with us added to playlists.

The only reason VEVO exists is because Google had to strike a deal with the record labels to avoid getting sued. On VEVO channels, the labels control the adverts and the monetisation, etc.

I'd rather not use it, to be honest, but when dealing with most labels you can't avoid it.

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Reply #40 posted 03/06/14 11:53am

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There is a link to it on 3rdeyegirl's twitter...
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Reply #41 posted 03/06/14 12:00pm

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There is a link to it on 3rdeyegirl's twitter...

Yeah so i think this makes it official....surely?

How does that man live without a mobile in this day and age... Must be so refreshing.
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Reply #42 posted 03/06/14 12:09pm

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It's a good move if he wants more people to see his stuff. 3rd eye girl have been around for over a year now, right ? And only 20,000 plus members on YouTube and Facebook. Breakfast can wait under Prince has over 2.5 million views.
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Reply #43 posted 03/06/14 12:13pm

EddieC

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i give the video till saturday till he removes it lol

That's two more days than I needed. I'm good.

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Reply #44 posted 03/06/14 12:39pm

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It's even crazy how we all talk about these things more than likely disappearing after a short time. Not many of us try to save stuff for personal gain, or rehosting on YT, we are all basically amateur Prince archivists...

I wonder if one day there will be some massive fan-led project to truly collate all this stuff on some future web based portal.
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Reply #45 posted 03/06/14 2:10pm

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Make an omelette. smile
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Reply #46 posted 03/06/14 2:27pm

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iZsaZsa said:

Make an omelette. smile



No pancakes? sigh

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Reply #47 posted 03/06/14 2:40pm

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luv4u said:



iZsaZsa said:


Make an omelette. smile



No pancakes? sigh


omfg The carbs - no! lol
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Reply #48 posted 03/06/14 4:58pm

nursev

very nice...hope he keeps it.
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Reply #49 posted 03/06/14 6:36pm

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luv4u said:

iZsaZsa said:

Make an omelette. smile



No pancakes? sigh

I thought he was going to say the one thing he cooked was pancakes, which could've sparked conversation about the video and song. hmmm

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Reply #50 posted 03/06/14 9:42pm

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'purple seal of approval' is a different way of saying that reality, the justice system, has failed over there. (as seen from outside the former US of A)

17 U.S.C. § 107
Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.

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Reply #51 posted 03/07/14 12:09am

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Cool.. bout time
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Reply #52 posted 03/07/14 12:16am

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Militant said:

The first upload is the full episode of the Arsenio show!!!

^ Great ----- and thanks for telling, Militant, cool



I really enjoyed this video - the whole Arsenio show with 3 great performances in 1 show.... excited

FunkNroll, She's Always In My Hair, Mutiny.

"She's Always In My Hair" imo -- this performance is absolutely gorgeous.

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Reply #53 posted 03/07/14 1:30am

timmie

it can be disappointing to read too much into anything he does but it might encourage the idea that there will be separate 3rd eye girl and Prince (and maybe NPG big city..?) projects released.

it's been so long since an album release (in Prince terms) that would be great!!

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Reply #54 posted 03/07/14 1:31am

ilo

Thank god he's a great musician because he sounds like a very poor cook. Anyone else think of Stacey's mum? Cue Welsh voice, "Omelette anybody?"

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Reply #55 posted 03/07/14 2:00am

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nursev said:

very nice...hope he keeps it.

And fills it! I've got my shortcut ready. lol
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Reply #56 posted 03/07/14 7:02am

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Militant said:

databank said:

That's actually Prince's FOURTH official YT channel.

There's the regular 3EG channel, the 3EG vevo with only FULU on it, the Prince vevo with only BCW on it and now this... He really doesn't want all his apples in one basket lol lol lol

The issue with VEVO pages is that the artist doesn't have access to them - the accounts are maintained automatically by the record labels/distributors.

For example - this is the official YouTube for my band, and this is "our" VEVO page.

It's obvious from looking at them what the difference is. Our actual YouTube page is obviously maintained by us, our fans are subscribed to it, it has our interviews, acoustic sessions, etc. Whereas our VEVO page is just completely lifeless, and seems to contain random music videos from other artists that have nothing to do with us added to playlists.

The only reason VEVO exists is because Google had to strike a deal with the record labels to avoid getting sued. On VEVO channels, the labels control the adverts and the monetisation, etc.

I'd rather not use it, to be honest, but when dealing with most labels you can't avoid it.

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[Edited 3/6/14 11:48am]

This is interesting, thx for the info smile This xplains y so many artists have both a channel and a vevo!

Does that mean that Kobalt is responsible for the 2 Vevo channels? It could also be Prince since (thru NPG) he's BOTH the artist and the label, couldn't it?

Also, if u wanna make some dough, now that u've posted links 2 Swami's YT channels u can sue Ben and the Org for a million bucks claiming they didn't have the masala seal of approval biggrin

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Reply #57 posted 03/07/14 7:32am

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databank said:

Militant said:

The issue with VEVO pages is that the artist doesn't have access to them - the accounts are maintained automatically by the record labels/distributors.

For example - this is the official YouTube for my band, and this is "our" VEVO page.

It's obvious from looking at them what the difference is. Our actual YouTube page is obviously maintained by us, our fans are subscribed to it, it has our interviews, acoustic sessions, etc. Whereas our VEVO page is just completely lifeless, and seems to contain random music videos from other artists that have nothing to do with us added to playlists.

The only reason VEVO exists is because Google had to strike a deal with the record labels to avoid getting sued. On VEVO channels, the labels control the adverts and the monetisation, etc.

I'd rather not use it, to be honest, but when dealing with most labels you can't avoid it.

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[Edited 3/6/14 11:48am]

This is interesting, thx for the info smile This xplains y so many artists have both a channel and a vevo!

Does that mean that Kobalt is responsible for the 2 Vevo channels? It could also be Prince since (thru NPG) he's BOTH the artist and the label, couldn't it?

Also, if u wanna make some dough, now that u've posted links 2 Swami's YT channels u can sue Ben and the Org for a million bucks claiming they didn't have the masala seal of approval biggrin

falloff at masala seal of approval. NPG Records won't have access to the VEVO, it'll be Kobalt, assuming they're the digital distributors of those songs. We operate in the same way, with our own record label, but we partnered with a digital distributor for our last release (INGrooves in our case). And I remember when there was a typo or some incorrect information on the VEVO we had to email our contact at INGrooves to get it sorted. It's a gigantic waste of time in my opinion and the amount of promotion that you can get from VEVO cross-linking isn't worth the lack of control and analytics you lose from not having access to the account.

[Edited 3/7/14 7:35am]

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Reply #58 posted 03/07/14 9:10am

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I just saw this on Youtube in my "recommended" list. I swear thought it was a set up. falloff

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Reply #59 posted 03/07/14 10:09am

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Militant said:

databank said:

This is interesting, thx for the info smile This xplains y so many artists have both a channel and a vevo!

Does that mean that Kobalt is responsible for the 2 Vevo channels? It could also be Prince since (thru NPG) he's BOTH the artist and the label, couldn't it?

Also, if u wanna make some dough, now that u've posted links 2 Swami's YT channels u can sue Ben and the Org for a million bucks claiming they didn't have the masala seal of approval biggrin

falloff at masala seal of approval. NPG Records won't have access to the VEVO, it'll be Kobalt, assuming they're the digital distributors of those songs. We operate in the same way, with our own record label, but we partnered with a digital distributor for our last release (INGrooves in our case). And I remember when there was a typo or some incorrect information on the VEVO we had to email our contact at INGrooves to get it sorted. It's a gigantic waste of time in my opinion and the amount of promotion that you can get from VEVO cross-linking isn't worth the lack of control and analytics you lose from not having access to the account.

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Mmmh, very interesting, thx. So what happens when P's contract with Kobalt is terminated? Can he blow them away simply by having the videos removed for copyright infrigement like he did with the poor dudes at Purple Music, or will he have to say "please" for once (or send Kobalt a C&D)?

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