OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is ridiculous to even try to compare say "Achilles Last Stand" to anything prince ever did.

Prince is very good....but Jimmy is in a different class.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

and proof Jimmy is better: Prince needed a back up guitarist when he covered Whole Lotta Love

Man ,Page is a more legendary guitar player because

he comes from the time of true guitar gods but if Prince

and Jimmy were some unknown players

that jam in front of you i

doubt you would say that Page is better.Prince is from tehnical

standpoint a much better guitar player.

Jimmy Page is a sloppy player but that doesnt take away from his legend.

Jboogiee said:

No Jimmy Page wouldn't smoke Prince on guitar! Get the fuck out of here with that stealing bullshit because Jimmy Page stole from many blues & folk artists! Do your research before you make a dumb ass comment like that!

trax said:

Jimmy Page would SMOKE Prince on guitar!! I really don't know why he would say that since he is trying to rock album and he is alienating guitar lover fans as Jimmy Page is one of the absolute best. Prince even stole from Jimmy Page on that Pretzel song(as well as stealing from Black Sabbath's Ironman.) Prince can talk smack when it comes to funk, ballads or live shows but as a guitarists he is good(ok at times great) but he is no Jimmy Page. I hope Jimmy Page responds but I am sure he will take the classier high road as that was pretty classless by Prince in my opinion to dogg a guitar legend like that. Then again that's Prince. He never was the smartest cookie on the block when it came to self promoting.

I'm glad someone does their homework. Led Zep stole many of old blues songs and even had to pay out. Look it up on Youtube for all the songs they stole over the years.

joyinrepetition said:

Jboogiee said:

No Jimmy Page wouldn't smoke Prince on guitar! Get the fuck out of here with that stealing bullshit because Jimmy Page stole from many blues & folk artists! Do your research before you make a dumb ass comment like that!

I'm glad someone does their homework. Led Zep stole many of old blues songs and even had to pay out. Look it up on Youtube for all the songs they stole over the years.

what does that have to do with how well Jimmy plays?

Prince never said he was a better rock guitarist than Jimmy Page. However it could sound like what Prince meant is that he himself is a more rhythmical guitar player that studied the strict rhythm patterns of James Brown, Tower of Power and Graham Central Station, while Jimmy Page is more connected to the blues rock roots. At a technical, rhythmical and funk point of view, Prince wins. Jimmy is a bit sloppy compared. But Jimmy does give a song a more heavy rock edge to the music. But to be honest, I don't think Prince really tried to make anything really rock heavy.



Can anyone honestly say that Prince isn't true about the "keep a sequence" part? I'm not saying he couldn't if he really tried. But even if he was going for the sloppy off beat style, it still sounds like he is trying to do way more than he is capable of. I don't think Prince is better in rock, but he would never spend that much time stumbling with the guitar doing half fancy tricks that almost worked until the beat was back on.

I love both funk and rock in both their purest form, and when they're mixed. But Jimmy Page is without a doubt best with Bonham backing him throughout a song, or when he is playing ballads. Because of that strict James Brown school Prince kan keep a sequence, without loosing too much edge. He just sometimes sounds a bit too polished imo. I rather listen to Black Sabbath anyways than listening to his teenage girlband "rock" music. However I have hopes that some of the songs on the new album will be good enough for me to purchase it.

Replica said:

Prince never said he was a better rock guitarist than Jimmy Page. However it could sound like what Prince meant is that he himself is a more rhythmical guitar player that studied the strict rhythm patterns of James Brown, Tower of Power and Graham Central Station, while Jimmy Page is more connected to the blues rock roots. At a technical, rhythmical and funk point of view, Prince wins. Jimmy is a bit sloppy compared. But Jimmy does give a song a more heavy rock edge to the music. But to be honest, I don't think Prince really tried to make anything really rock heavy.



Can anyone honestly say that Prince isn't true about the "keep a sequence" part? I'm not saying he couldn't if he really tried. But even if he was going for the sloppy off beat style, it still sounds like he is trying to do way more than he is capable of. I don't think Prince is better in rock, but he would never spend that much time stumbling with the guitar doing half fancy tricks that almost worked until the beat was back on.

I love both funk and rock in both their purest form, and when they're mixed. But Jimmy Page is without a doubt best with Bonham backing him throughout a song, or when he is playing ballads. Because of that strict James Brown school Prince kan keep a sequence, without loosing too much edge. He just sometimes sounds a bit too polished imo. I rather listen to Black Sabbath anyways than listening to his teenage girlband "rock" music. However I have hopes that some of the songs on the new album will be good enough for me to purchase it.

(Bolded part) I agree with you. Jimmy Page and many other rock guitarists of that time period were influenced by many Blues guitarists from the 30s-50s era. If some did their research, they would be aware of this. Some of the rock guitarists influences of the 60s era Howlin' Wolf, Robert Johnson, Jimmy Reed, Muddy Waters, Albert King, B.B. King. Just to name a few and you can also add that some of those influences came from blues-rock/gospel guitarists like Sister Rosetta Tharpe. I also think many don't know that rock was born from rhythm & blues and some gospel thrown in.

Even Prince's guitar player, Donna Grantis, makes a mention in a former interview, that she researched the influences of 60s/70s rock guitar players, and found that their influences were Blues/Blues rock guitar players of the past:

Here's an excerpt from Westword.com/backbeat that Donna did last year:

"You have some deep roots in jazz and blues. What is it about those forms of music that captivated your imagination, and why do they remain interesting to you today?"

Donna Grantis: "I first got into it through the classic rock side of things with Hendrix and Clapton and Stevie Ray Vaughan. I started checking out their influences. That's how I got into B.B. King, Buddy Guy, T. Bone Walker, Willie Dixon and artists like that. What really attracted to me to that kind of music was two things.

One is how incredibly expressive it is on electric guitar. I love improvising and just jamming and making up stuff on the spot and playing what I feel at the moment and playing off of other musicians. We do a lot of that in 3rd Eye Girl. Because the group is so small, we can just really stretch out a lot and jam and improvise so it's a lot of fun."

"Supposedly your first public performance was for that Jimi Hendrix tribute with his father in the audience. Is that true?"

Donna Grantis: "Totally. As a teenager I entered this competition where you send in this Hendrix tune. I made it to the semi-finals, and that was the first time I ever played in front of people. Hendrix's dad was in the audience, and I met him and got to shake his hand, and that was really magical."

"As someone who is somewhat self-taught, what drew you to study and perform jazz at McGill [University], and how would you say that experience helped with what you do today?"

Donna Grantis:" It helped immensely. When I studied jazz, I learned a lot about arranging, composition, improvisation, theory, ear training, transcriptions -- all that kind of stuff. I apply all of that playing in 3rd Eye Girl and with Prince. When it comes to learning songs by ear and making sense of them musically and being able to improvise over whatever is thrown at us, I think it's all connected. Prince's repertoire is so huge. He crosses so many genres, so being able to play blues, rock, funk, pop, jazz -- it's all music, but having a musical vocabulary in all of those genres is so helpful"

[Edited 3/2/14 5:25am]

Blues influences of Jimmy Page:

http://jimmypage.greene.t.../id11.html

"While at first listen one may not expect to see B.B. King on a list of Jimmy Page's influences he is. King was one of Page's favorite artists as a young man and he loved the blues. There is a lot of blues in Page's music that came from the influence B.B. King had on Jimmy Page. Jimmy Page's love of the blues that he got from listening to B.B. King adds yet another dimension to Led Zeppelin's sound."

http://chicagoist.com/201...guy_da.php

"The influence Buddy Guy has made on blues and rock music is historical, his style of playing and his white hot electric form of blues influenced the likes of Eric Clapton, Jimmy Page...."

http://www.madguitarlicks...-page.html
"He admired musicians from genres other than rock, as well, including blues greats BB King, and Elmore James, and Bert Jansch the folk-acoustic artist. Fans of Jimmy Page will recognize both of those influences in the albums released by Led Zeppelin, and also touches of other styles such as country, and funk. "

http://www.gibson.com/en-...immy-lick/

"Most folks will recognize this lick and position as being from iconic Gibson artist Jimmy Page, who did a lot to popularize its style. But the lick and position actually has its origins from Chicago blues great Otis Rush, whose song “I Can’t Quit You Baby” was covered by Led Zeppelin on the band’s debut album."

[Edited 3/2/14 5:54am]

OnlyNDaUsa said:

joyinrepetition said:

I'm glad someone does their homework. Led Zep stole many of old blues songs and even had to pay out. Look it up on Youtube for all the songs they stole over the years.

what does that have to do with how well Jimmy plays?

Well, for starters, how well Jimmy played came from his influences.

Prince didn't say anything insulting about Jimmy Page or Zep. He is correct. Bonham kept it all in a powerful pocket. Without Bonham Page would never sound as good as he did during that time. Without Bonham there is no Led Zeppelin, that is why Page and the others disbanded Zep when Bonzo died.