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donnyenglish

1/7/14

A big reason that I liked the guy is that we got one album a year. It is 2014 and we have not had an album since 20Ten and 20Ten was not a serious effort or he would have released it worldwide. LotusFlower was the last serious release in 2009. The dude has become Maxwell or Sade. I thought that the emancipation from Warners meant more albums, not less.

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Reply #1 posted 01/07/14 10:11am

bigd74

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donnyenglish said:

A big reason that I liked the guy is that we got one album a year. It is 2014 and we have not had an album since 20Ten and 20Ten was not a serious effort or he would have released it worldwide. LotusFlower was the last serious release in 2009. The dude has become Maxwell or Sade. I thought that the emancipation from Warners meant more albums, not less.




You're forgetting that Lotusflow3r was available in 1 shop in the us only. So the last real worldwide release was 3121 8 years ago. Damn that is along time.
[Edited 1/7/14 10:12am]
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Reply #2 posted 01/07/14 10:42am

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Pretty sure there's way more post-Warners albums. Plus he's released an album's worth of songs last year, put that on shuffle, do a little dance.

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Reply #3 posted 01/07/14 10:57am

Madhouse6

To be honest prince is not relevant anymore except to us, the hardcore. Go into any major record store and they may have at most 4 or 5 albums

Years ago he would have numerous albums under various genres (R&B, Rock etc). Even his live sets are starting to go stale. He did the medley during his 21 nights at the O2 - 6 years ago!!!
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Reply #4 posted 01/07/14 10:58am

bigd74

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billymeade said:

Pretty sure there's way more post-Warners albums. Plus he's released an album's worth of songs last year, put that on shuffle, do a little dance.

sorry? i don't get what you mean. since 3121 in 2006 we have had

2007 Planet Earth - given away in a newspaper for 1 day

2008 Indigo Nights - live stuff with a coffee table book door stop

2009 Lotusflow3r - sold in target in us only and download to those silly enough to subscribe to that site

2010 20ten - given away in a paper for 1 day again

2011 nothin

2012 nothin

2013 - 3rd eyetunes stuff

no real release for 8 years, i mean walk into a shop normal release.

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Reply #5 posted 01/07/14 11:50am

donnyenglish

Let's compare physical releases of studio albums since 2014 will make 18 years of emancipation vs. 18 years with WB. We can debate about the quality of music. I like his new stuff just as much as the old stuff, but others may feel differently.

I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases. I don't think that the Vault is as abundent as advertised. If the music was there, then it would be released.

Post WB Years:

1996: Emancipation

1997:

1998: Crystal Ball

1998: NewPowerSoul

1998: The Truth

1999: Rave

2000:

2001: Rainbow Children

2002: One Nite Alone

2003: News

2004: Musicology

2005:

2006: 3121

2007: Planet Earth

2008: --

2009: Lotus Flower/MPLS Sound

2010: 20Ten

2011:

2012:

2013:

2014: Plectrum Electrum???

18 years with WB

1978: For You

1979: Prince

1980: Dirty Mind

1981: Controversy

1982: 1999

1984: Purple Rain

1985: Around the World in a Day

1986: Parade

1987: Sign O The Times

1988: Lovesexy

1989: Batman

1990: Graffiti Bridge

1991: Diamonds and Pearls

1992: Love Symbol

1993:

1994: Come

1994: The Black Album

1995: The Gold Experience

1995: Exodus

1996: Chaos and Disorder

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Reply #6 posted 01/07/14 11:58am

ThePaloAlto

I don't understand the title of this thread.

On the 3rd eye twitter they have this date on there as if there would be some sort of announcement, but this thread doesn't seem to correlate with that

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Reply #7 posted 01/07/14 12:12pm

laurarichardso
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donnyenglish said:

A big reason that I liked the guy is that we got one album a year. It is 2014 and we have not had an album since 20Ten and 20Ten was not a serious effort or he would have released it worldwide. LotusFlower was the last serious release in 2009. The dude has become Maxwell or Sade. I thought that the emancipation from Warners meant more albums, not less.

LotusFlower stayed on the BillBoard chart for over a year. Meaning he has no album chart action since 2010. 4 years does not make Prince Maxwell or Sade. Inaddtion, he has made plenty of public and concert apperences in that time. At this point I see no reason for him to put out a commercial release withoout a major company behind him. I believe that is what he is about to do in a few months.

Even if he puts out no music after this year so what dude has had a hell of a long ride and if he wants to coast or retire so be it.

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Reply #8 posted 01/07/14 1:51pm

SquirrelMeat

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He's been taking career advice from Kate Bush.

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Reply #9 posted 01/07/14 2:24pm

donnyenglish

ThePaloAlto said:

I don't understand the title of this thread.

On the 3rd eye twitter they have this date on there as if there would be some sort of announcement, but this thread doesn't seem to correlate with that

We were all hoping for something BIG on this date like an album and we got more breadcrumbing with some tweets about lyrics.

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Reply #10 posted 01/07/14 2:42pm

bigd74

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donnyenglish said:

ThePaloAlto said:

I don't understand the title of this thread.

On the 3rd eye twitter they have this date on there as if there would be some sort of announcement, but this thread doesn't seem to correlate with that

We were all hoping for something BIG on this date like an album and we got more breadcrumbing with some tweets about lyrics.

Liv Warfield video http://www.essence.com/20...do-you-lie

woopidee fuckin doo

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Reply #11 posted 01/07/14 2:42pm

Byron

donnyenglish said:

Let's compare physical releases of studio albums since 2014 will make 18 years of emancipation vs. 18 years with WB. We can debate about the quality of music. I like his new stuff just as much as the old stuff, but others may feel differently.

I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases. I don't think that the Vault is as abundent as advertised. If the music was there, then it would be released.

Post WB Years:

1996: Emancipation (3 CDs)

1997:

1998: Crystal Ball (3 CDs)

1998: NewPowerSoul (1 CD)

1998: The Truth (1 CD)

1999: Rave (1 CD)

2000:

2001: Rainbow Children (1 CD)

2002: One Nite Alone (3 CDs)

2002: One Nite Alone - Piano (1 CD)

2003: News (1 CD)

2004: Musicology (1 CD)

2005:

2006: 3121 (1 CD)

2007: Planet Earth (1 CD)

2008: --

2009: Lotus Flower/MPLS Sound (2 CDs)

2010: 20Ten (1 CD)

2011:

2012:

2013:

2014: Plectrum Electrum???

18 years with WB

1978: For You (1)

1979: Prince (1)

1980: Dirty Mind (1)

1981: Controversy (1)

1982: 1999 (2)

1984: Purple Rain (1)

1985: Around the World in a Day (1)

1986: Parade (1)

1987: Sign O The Times (2)

1988: Lovesexy (1)

1989: Batman (1)

1990: Graffiti Bridge (1)

1991: Diamonds and Pearls (1)

1992: Love Symbol (1)

1993:

1994: Come (1)

1994: The Black Album (1)

1995: The Gold Experience (1)

1995: Exodus (1)

1996: Chaos and Disorder (1)


I added in the One Nite Alone - Piano CD to your list...I also added in the number of actual discs released each year, whether they be CDs or vinyl. Go back and count which 18 year period had more.


Wanna really freak out? Count the number of actual songs released in both 18 year spans.

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Reply #12 posted 01/07/14 2:49pm

bigd74

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donnyenglish said:

Let's compare physical releases of studio albums since 2014 will make 18 years of emancipation vs. 18 years with WB. We can debate about the quality of music. I like his new stuff just as much as the old stuff, but others may feel differently.

I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases. I don't think that the Vault is as abundent as advertised. If the music was there, then it would be released.

oh i wouldn't dismiss it that quickly, there is loads of gold in there for sure, but for every Moonbeam Levels there's a Poom Poom smile

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Reply #13 posted 01/07/14 2:49pm

chopingard

donnyenglish said:

Let's compare physical releases of studio albums since 2014 will make 18 years of emancipation vs. 18 years with WB. We can debate about the quality of music. I like his new stuff just as much as the old stuff, but others may feel differently.

I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases. I don't think that the Vault is as abundent as advertised. If the music was there, then it would be released.

Post WB Years:

1996: Emancipationx3

1997:

1998: Crystal Ballx3 / Karmasutrax1

1998: NewPowerSoulx1

1998: The Truthx1

1999: Rave Un2x1 / The Vault Old Friends For Sale (although a WB release)x1

2000: Rave Intox1

2001: Rainbow Childrenx1

2002: One Nite Alonex1 / One Night Alone Livex2 /It Ain't Overx1

2003: Newsx1

2004: Musicologyx1

2005:

2006: 3121x1

2007: Planet Earthx1

2008: --

2009: Lotus Flowerx1/MPLS Soundx1

2010: 20Tenx1

2011:

2012:

2013:

2014: Plectrum Electrum???

18 years with WB

1978: For Youx1

1979: Princex1

1980: Dirty Mindx1

1981: Controversyx1

1982: 1999x1

1984: Purple Rainx1

1985: Around the World in a Dayx1

1986: Paradex1

1987: Sign O The Timesx2

1988: Lovesexyx1

1989: Batmanx1

1990: Graffiti Bridgex1

1991: Diamonds and Pearlsx1

1992: Love Symbolx1

1993: Gold Niggax1

1994: Comex1

1994: The Black Albumx1

1995: The Gold Experiencex1

1995: Exodusx1

1996: Chaos and Disorderx1

I think you missed a couple out. There maybe more WB titles but count how many CD discs of new material and it evens out

Thats 22 discs of WB material 24 of post WB material

Personally I think the vault is stacked but there might be some issue regarding ownership of stuff recorded during the time he was under WB contract... Although who knows

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Reply #14 posted 01/07/14 3:13pm

Jamzone333

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Okay, so he hasn't had an official release, however, the dude is releasing singles left and right...Prince is so prolific that although he hasn't released an album, his output is just in zane... He has released or leaked singles via 3EG, so Prince is still Prince...I love all of the music that got out there in 2013.

"A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1
People can slam their door, disagree and fight it
But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son?
United States of Division"
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Reply #15 posted 01/07/14 3:26pm

V10LETBLUES

I hope he gets a producer. He never needed one before, but the time is long overdue. He needs someone to shake up his comfort zone. He is leaving carpet marks from traveling the same path over and over lately.

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Reply #16 posted 01/07/14 4:23pm

Jamzone333

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V10LETBLUES said:

I hope he gets a producer. He never needed one before, but the time is long overdue. He needs someone to shake up his comfort zone. He is leaving carpet marks from traveling the same path over and over lately.

You know, I have been thinking the same thing, however, Prince can't work with anyone else when it comes to his music. The Revolution was really the last group that he tried a collaboration with. He did try a mini collaboration with early NPG, but it will always be Prince. Another factor, there really isn't anyone out there that could Produce Prince. Questlove is a Prince fan, but he couldn't do it. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis would be contenders, but could they come up with something so new that they could all benefit..I am not sure...

"A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1
People can slam their door, disagree and fight it
But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son?
United States of Division"
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Reply #17 posted 01/07/14 4:32pm

thisisreece

Jamzone333 said:

V10LETBLUES said:

I hope he gets a producer. He never needed one before, but the time is long overdue. He needs someone to shake up his comfort zone. He is leaving carpet marks from traveling the same path over and over lately.

You know, I have been thinking the same thing, however, Prince can't work with anyone else when it comes to his music. The Revolution was really the last group that he tried a collaboration with. He did try a mini collaboration with early NPG, but it will always be Prince. Another factor, there really isn't anyone out there that could Produce Prince. Questlove is a Prince fan, but he couldn't do it. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis would be contenders, but could they come up with something so new that they could all benefit..I am not sure...

Janelle Monae maybe?

Hundalasiliah!
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Reply #18 posted 01/07/14 4:43pm

Jamzone333

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thisisreece said:

Jamzone333 said:

You know, I have been thinking the same thing, however, Prince can't work with anyone else when it comes to his music. The Revolution was really the last group that he tried a collaboration with. He did try a mini collaboration with early NPG, but it will always be Prince. Another factor, there really isn't anyone out there that could Produce Prince. Questlove is a Prince fan, but he couldn't do it. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis would be contenders, but could they come up with something so new that they could all benefit..I am not sure...

Janelle Monae maybe?

Janelle is too young and not tested as a producer. No disrespect regarding her youth, however, Prince would need someone who totally gets him and would be an asset and could bring something new to the game. Not to young and not to old. I mean, you wouldn't want someone who would try to turn him into a rapper but you wouldn't want someone who would turn him into a torch singer. Prince is still cutting edge and a producer would still need to show that Prince is fully still in the game..I mean, Prince is so superbad, he is still generating good music...just my two cents...

"A united state of mind will never be divided
The real definition of unity is 1
People can slam their door, disagree and fight it
But how U gonna love the Father but not love the Son?
United States of Division"
gigglebowfroguitar
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Reply #19 posted 01/07/14 5:02pm

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my ultimate fantasy producer for prince is nigel godrich. but it will never happen, i know.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #20 posted 01/07/14 5:03pm

thisisreece

Jamzone333 said:

thisisreece said:

Janelle Monae maybe?

Janelle is too young and not tested as a producer. No disrespect regarding her youth, however, Prince would need someone who totally gets him and would be an asset and could bring something new to the game. Not to young and not to old. I mean, you wouldn't want someone who would try to turn him into a rapper but you wouldn't want someone who would turn him into a torch singer. Prince is still cutting edge and a producer would still need to show that Prince is fully still in the game..I mean, Prince is so superbad, he is still generating good music...just my two cents...

You're probably right. But, considering how energetic and on point his vocals on 'Give Em What They Love' are, I'm guessing she wouldn't do a bad job.

Hundalasiliah!
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Reply #21 posted 01/07/14 10:24pm

databank

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donnyenglish said:

Let's compare physical releases of studio albums since 2014 will make 18 years of emancipation vs. 18 years with WB. We can debate about the quality of music. I like his new stuff just as much as the old stuff, but others may feel differently.

I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases. I don't think that the Vault is as abundent as advertised. If the music was there, then it would be released.

Post WB Years:

1996: Emancipation

1997:

1998: Crystal Ball

1998: NewPowerSoul

1998: The Truth

1999: Rave

2000:

2001: Rainbow Children

2002: One Nite Alone

2003: News

2004: Musicology

2005:

2006: 3121

2007: Planet Earth

2008: --

2009: Lotus Flower/MPLS Sound

2010: 20Ten

2011:

2012:

2013:

2014: Plectrum Electrum???

18 years with WB

1978: For You

1979: Prince

1980: Dirty Mind

1981: Controversy

1982: 1999

1984: Purple Rain

1985: Around the World in a Day

1986: Parade

1987: Sign O The Times

1988: Lovesexy

1989: Batman

1990: Graffiti Bridge

1991: Diamonds and Pearls

1992: Love Symbol

1993:

1994: Come

1994: The Black Album

1995: The Gold Experience

1995: Exodus

1996: Chaos and Disorder

If you're gonna include Exodus, Gold Nigga and Newpower Soul you can add The War as well, and Vanity 6, The Family, Jill Jones, Madhouse, Carmen Electra, etc. I really don't understand why the NPG albums are always included in Prince discographies. Either you include only Prince/Prince And The Revolution/Prince And The NPG/prince albums or you include all the side-projects, but it's an absurdity to include the 3 (or 4) NPG albums and not the Madhouse albums for example.

Video albums, live albums and digital releases outghta be included as well, the distinction between digital and physical release is so 20th century rolleyes

Digital has been the dominant format for 2 years now anyway, so if we were to be selective it would make more sense to exclude albums that have only been released physically than albums that have only been released digitally lol

See this list for a complete list of releases that can qualify for being considered Prince albums: https://sites.google.com/...iscography

Anyway I've done this little calculation before, including side-projects and video albums: Prince DID release less album material overall since he's left WB, there's no question about it sad

Now if we were to compare the whole bulk of the material made available including songs given to others, singles, downloads, broadcasts and streaming I'm not so sute the WB years would win because we've had a lot of live stuff, snippets and stuff like that these last 10 years. But that's not what we want: we want full length albums!

[Edited 1/7/14 22:27pm]

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/
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Reply #22 posted 01/07/14 10:33pm

ludwig

bigd74 said:

donnyenglish said:

A big reason that I liked the guy is that we got one album a year. It is 2014 and we have not had an album since 20Ten and 20Ten was not a serious effort or he would have released it worldwide. LotusFlower was the last serious release in 2009. The dude has become Maxwell or Sade. I thought that the emancipation from Warners meant more albums, not less.

You're forgetting that Lotusflow3r was available in 1 shop in the us only. So the last real worldwide release was 3121 8 years ago. Damn that is along time. [Edited 1/7/14 10:12am]

There was also an official release in france, not an import.

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Reply #23 posted 01/07/14 11:24pm

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ludwig said:



bigd74 said:


donnyenglish said:

A big reason that I liked the guy is that we got one album a year. It is 2014 and we have not had an album since 20Ten and 20Ten was not a serious effort or he would have released it worldwide. LotusFlower was the last serious release in 2009. The dude has become Maxwell or Sade. I thought that the emancipation from Warners meant more albums, not less.



You're forgetting that Lotusflow3r was available in 1 shop in the us only. So the last real worldwide release was 3121 8 years ago. Damn that is along time. [Edited 1/7/14 10:12am]

There was also an official release in france, not an import.




Yeah but it was 1 disc and collected from both albums to make 1 album. Still not a proper release.
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Reply #24 posted 01/07/14 11:29pm

ludwig

bigd74 said:

ludwig said:

There was also an official release in france, not an import.

Yeah but it was 1 disc and collected from both albums to make 1 album. Still not a proper release.

No. Not right.

http://princevault.com/index.php/Album:_Lotusflow3r

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Reply #25 posted 01/08/14 1:17am

Scotsman1999

Things have slowed down, but there's still been alot of material coming out. I'd actually prefer total silence for a year if I thought that would give him fresh inspiration. Remember that Little Richard quote: "A little bit of something beats a whole lot of nothing". We've had alot of mileage out of his handful of mid-eighties albums, purely down to their quality, so I'd be happy to wait if it meant a nugget of gold being delivered.
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Reply #26 posted 01/08/14 1:35am

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Scotsman1999 said:

Things have slowed down, but there's still been alot of material coming out.

No albums.

That is something different than 'material coming out'.

Physical stuff is getting increasingly more important these days.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #27 posted 01/08/14 2:33am

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well 7th january 2014 came and went and ... nothing

what a surprise !

[Edited 1/8/14 2:33am]

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Reply #28 posted 01/08/14 2:54am

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FunkyStrange said:

what a surprise !

:YEAHTHAT:

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #29 posted 01/08/14 4:10am

OnlyNDaUsa

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FunkyStrange said:

well 7th january 2014 came and went and ... nothing

what a surprise !

[Edited 1/8/14 2:33am]

and Jan 8 2014 is gearing up to be just as exciting.

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