No more astral travelling now on the Twitter sentence, which now reads:

Marco81 said:

@3RDEYEGIRL

WHAT IS PLECTRUM ELECTRUM?

Translated as:

Why is it all taking so long?

What is taking so long?

Scotsman1999 said:

ThomasBjj said:

Well it does say:

"Astral traveling until:1/ 7/14 and then: ~!@#$&*()__P(*OLI&UY^%TR%EWGTW!@#$%UY!!

MPLS · 3rdeyegirl.com"

Astral traveling until 1/7/14....? something later today, probably not what we are hoping for tho

Prince should have worked for allied intelligence in WW2, as the Germans wouldn't have had a clue what was going on.

So true.

thedance said:

Scotsman1999 said:

Prince should have worked for allied intelligence in WW2, as the Germans wouldn't have had a clue what was going on.

So true.

Well at least now we know that it ain't the 7th of January.

If Plectrum Electrum is released by June 7th it will be one of the most delayed Prince album ever. I fail to see how Prince could still be interested in it in 5 months unless he ends-up releasing a completely different tracklist under the same title. I wonder how many configurations have already been compliled since the announcement last April

databank said:

Well at least now we know that it ain't the 7th of January.

Amen!

If Plectrum Electrum is released by June 7th it will be one of the most delayed Prince album ever. I fail to see how Prince could still be interested in it in 5 months unless he ends-up releasing a completely different tracklist under the same title. I wonder how many configurations have already been compliled since the announcement last April

He may do a remix, add some 'production', etc.

See the story of TGE.

I'm referring to physical album releases of new studio material. The post WB era has given us more live recordings and internet download songs. We can debate whether that stuff measures up to the B sides and protege projects of the WB years, but that is a different topic.

The point is that the post WB emancipation has not been as good for fans as we originally thought and frankly it probably not has gone as well as Prince intended.

There are still constraints within the industry that make it difficult for him to provide the fans with a better product than his old record label provided to his fans.

I think that he had the right idea with the NPG music cluc and/or the lotusflower site and the current 3rdeyegirl site, but I sense that he wants a more lucrative means to release albums.

My fear is that time is running out. He can't take the music with him when he is gone and there is a big difference between him releasing the music now than when he is eligible for social security benefits. Forget about the money and give us your best albums within the next five years.

donnyenglish said:

The point is that the post WB emancipation has not been as good for fans as we originally thought and frankly it probably not has gone as well as Prince intended.

There are still constraints within the industry that make it difficult for him to provide the fans with a better product than his old record label provided to his fans.

Which were you actually talking about: the quantity of music ("I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases"), or the quality of the output ( a "better product")?

There's no denying that the quantity of music Prince put out right after being free to release music separate from WB was pretty staggering--9 discs of music over a 4 year span (1996-1999). If you count both Chaos & Disorder and The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale, that would make 11 discs of music released in a 4 year span. There is no 4-year time span with WB that even comes close.

Byron said:

donnyenglish said:

The point is that the post WB emancipation has not been as good for fans as we originally thought and frankly it probably not has gone as well as Prince intended.

There are still constraints within the industry that make it difficult for him to provide the fans with a better product than his old record label provided to his fans.

Which were you actually talking about: the quantity of music ("I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases"), or the quality of the output ( a "better product")?

There's no denying that the quantity of music Prince put out right after being free to release music separate from WB was pretty staggering--9 discs of music over a 4 year span (1996-1999). If you count both Chaos & Disorder and The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale, that would make 11 discs of music released in a 4 year span. There is no 4-year time span with WB that even comes close.

Quantity of physical releases of studio material. I'm not counting discs. Crystal Ball and Emancipation were one release as was 1999 and SOTT. I'm not counting live releases. I am just talking about releases of CD's/Albums in the traditional sense.

My only point is that in those terms, the emancipation from WB has not been good for fans. Perhaps for some internet downloads of songs, it has been good. It has also been good with access to live recordings and videos. Most of us really don't get too excited about the occasional release of a song, video or live recording. Most of us get most excited when he is releasing a full album.

Since 2010 we have had one such release with 20Ten. In the 2000's he has released 8 albums in 14 years. At worst, during any 14 year period while he was with WB we would have gotten 13 albums or more.

It is just an observation. I'll shut up once he releases his 3rdeyegirl album and his NPG album this year. I just regret that I'm no longer as excited about 3rdeyegirl as I was when I first heard Screwdriver or FixurLifeUp or Bambi nearly a year ago. I'm also not as excited about the new NPG record as I was when I first heard some of the songs that are supposed to be on that release. If I'm bored with the concept by now, I'm sure he is.

In other words, I think WB was good for him and his output whether he realized it or not. Only his accountant would suggest otherwise.

donnyenglish said:

Byron said:

Which were you actually talking about: the quantity of music ("I'm more disappointed with the quantity of physical releases"), or the quality of the output ( a "better product")?

There's no denying that the quantity of music Prince put out right after being free to release music separate from WB was pretty staggering--9 discs of music over a 4 year span (1996-1999). If you count both Chaos & Disorder and The Vault: Old Friends 4 Sale, that would make 11 discs of music released in a 4 year span. There is no 4-year time span with WB that even comes close.

Quantity of physical releases of studio material. I'm not counting discs. Crystal Ball and Emancipation were one release as was 1999 and SOTT. I'm not counting live releases. I am just talking about releases of CD's/Albums in the traditional sense.

So then if Prince put out a 47-disc CD, you'd only count it as 1 release and would claim that Prince isn't living up to his word of releasing more music? lol...Doesn't make much sense. Prince talked about being able to release as much music as he wanted once he was free from WB...not release as many "physical releases of studio material" as he wanted.

Record companies discourage (and downright forbid) artists from putting out "too much" music fearing that artists would over-saturate the market, making their music--and the musical act creating it--diminish in value...to the point that they discourage/forbid multi-disc releases as well. That's one reason why viewing a release like Emancipation as being the same (in terms of music released) as releasing Dirty Mind is flawed logic and a flawed argument. It's no coincidence that to of the first releases by Prince "post-WB" were 3-disc sets (with an additional 1-disc album packaged with one of them lol).

Prince's beef in that regard was to make public statements in the media aimed towards his fans that WB was keeping him from releasing more music to them...all in an effort to encourage fans to start demanding/requesting the music to put pressure on WB (either to let him release more or to let him go completely to other labels). Nobody did, of course lol. But the reality remains that once he WAS able to release music through other labels/avenues, his output of "physical releases of studio material" far trumped the pace he was doing under WB (again, 9 discs worth of studio material in only 4 years).

Not to mention, when Prince says he wanted the freedom to release as much music as he desired, it also means he's granted the freedom to release as little music as he desires. Nobody within a record label to dictate to him either way, it's all up to him.

And really, as someone else mentioned earlier, it's baffling why downloads are not put into the equation, considering how much digital downloads have overtaken physical albums. There's a reason why "physical" record stores have closed up shop across the country over the last 10 years while downloads have continued to grow in prominence.

I get it, though...Prince being with a label like WB would make the promotion more exciting and scheduling more reliable. That's what some fans miss, Prince making that his goal with every album, having prominent CD displays at Best Buy, magazine and newspaper ads announcing an upcoming album, "world premiere" singles leaked to select radio stations, and stuff like that there. But that requires energy, money and dedication to playing the pop music game. We should all know by now that Prince is done with doing all that. He prefers the freedom of playing it by ear that his separation from WB has afforded him.

donnyenglish said:

I'm referring to physical album releases of new studio material. The post WB era has given us more live recordings and internet download songs. We can debate whether that stuff measures up to the B sides and protege projects of the WB years, but that is a different topic.

The point is that the post WB emancipation has not been as good for fans as we originally thought and frankly it probably not has gone as well as Prince intended.

There are still constraints within the industry that make it difficult for him to provide the fans with a better product than his old record label provided to his fans.

I think that he had the right idea with the NPG music cluc and/or the lotusflower site and the current 3rdeyegirl site, but I sense that he wants a more lucrative means to release albums.

My fear is that time is running out. He can't take the music with him when he is gone and there is a big difference between him releasing the music now than when he is eligible for social security benefits. Forget about the money and give us your best albums within the next five years.

Emancipation may be one release and Crystal Ball one release but between them they are in running time the equivalent of For You, Prince, Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Purple Rain, Around The World In A Day and most of Parade.

So if the Issue is the ammount of physically released material he's done the lions share of that with two releases and that's not even counting The Truth and Karmasutra that is packaged with Crystal Ball..... I think Post WB has been very good for fans.

Byron said:

donnyenglish said:

Quantity of physical releases of studio material. I'm not counting discs. Crystal Ball and Emancipation were one release as was 1999 and SOTT. I'm not counting live releases. I am just talking about releases of CD's/Albums in the traditional sense.

So then if Prince put out a 47-disc CD, you'd only count it as 1 release and would claim that Prince isn't living up to his word of releasing more music? lol...Doesn't make much sense. Prince talked about being able to release as much music as he wanted once he was free from WB...not release as many "physical releases of studio material" as he wanted.

Record companies discourage (and downright forbid) artists from putting out "too much" music fearing that artists would over-saturate the market, making their music--and the musical act creating it--diminish in value...to the point that they discourage/forbid multi-disc releases as well. That's one reason why viewing a release like Emancipation as being the same (in terms of music released) as releasing Dirty Mind is flawed logic and a flawed argument. It's no coincidence that to of the first releases by Prince "post-WB" were 3-disc sets (with an additional 1-disc album packaged with one of them lol).

Prince's beef in that regard was to make public statements in the media aimed towards his fans that WB was keeping him from releasing more music to them...all in an effort to encourage fans to start demanding/requesting the music to put pressure on WB (either to let him release more or to let him go completely to other labels). Nobody did, of course lol. But the reality remains that once he WAS able to release music through other labels/avenues, his output of "physical releases of studio material" far trumped the pace he was doing under WB (again, 9 discs worth of studio material in only 4 years).

Not to mention, when Prince says he wanted the freedom to release as much music as he desired, it also means he's granted the freedom to release as little music as he desires. Nobody within a record label to dictate to him either way, it's all up to him.

And really, as someone else mentioned earlier, it's baffling why downloads are not put into the equation, considering how much digital downloads have overtaken physical albums. There's a reason why "physical" record stores have closed up shop across the country over the last 10 years while downloads have continued to grow in prominence.

I get it, though...Prince being with a label like WB would make the promotion more exciting and scheduling more reliable. That's what some fans miss, Prince making that his goal with every album, having prominent CD displays at Best Buy, magazine and newspaper ads announcing an upcoming album, "world premiere" singles leaked to select radio stations, and stuff like that there. But that requires energy, money and dedication to playing the pop music game. We should all know by now that Prince is done with doing all that. He prefers the freedom of playing it by ear that his separation from WB has afforded him.

There's a very strong reluctance by many people to acknowledge the fact that digital releases are "as real" or "as good" as physical releases, whether we're talking music, movies or books. They will try and find every possible absurd excuse to say that digital isn't as good as physical (sound quality, absence of cover and booklet, digital data being erased by mistake, etc.) and they will claim that there will still be as many physical records in 20 years than now which is all complete denial of reality: while the market of physical releases is being eaten a bit more by digital sales and illegal filesharing every year, they still claim that it's not "real". When physical will be 3% of sales they will still be claiming that digital doesn't count and that CD is the dominant format

No matter whether one likes it or not if something happens it happens. It's a generational thing, though, these despicable conservative attitudes will disappear when these people die and the next generation won't have a clue of WTF this was all about.

These people are as irrelevant as someone claiming that paper books are a fraud and that only curved stone tablets are real "books", but they don't even realize that they've already become living anachronisms

databank said:

There's a very strong reluctance by many people to acknowledge the fact that digital releases are "as real" or "as good" as physical releases,

Duh!

Of course their is 'reluctance'.

Calling a download a release of the same kind as a physical medium (CD, vinyl, etc) is absurd.

Of course there is difference. You know the physical media from teh old days and the downloads are in the proven technology field of the modern era.

But that does not deny the idea that a physical release is a more proper release. One that has seen some work, planning, etc.

Mr. P can record a song, release it 10 minutes later via a download. But that does not have the same feeling as the song processed for a CD and released via stores (be it internet or physical).

whether we're talking music, movies or books.

If you think that reading a book from a file is the same as reading a book from a file your idea of reality is quite weird: What are you going to do when the batteries run out?

^^^^definitely, proper release is also a sequenced albums worth, rather than a CDR's worth of random downloads released over a year period. The format is fine. If he said that the next album is download only I'd be ok with it as long as it was a thought out properly sequenced album. That's where the term proper is used.

bigd74 said:

^^^^definitely, proper release is also a sequenced albums worth, rather than a CDR's worth of random downloads released over a year period. The format is fine. If he said that the next album is download only I'd be ok with it as long as it was a thought out properly sequenced album. That's where the term proper is used.

Yes, a properly sequenced album would count.

If it had artwork to self-print, etc.

Just that tad more care... That defines a proper release.

udo said:

If you think that reading a book from a file is the same as reading a book from a file your idea of reality is quite weird: What are you going to do when the batteries run out?

Or the paper of a book catches fire or gets wet...

This is preference for the mediumtype but all can be damaged.

I would prefer a book in hand but I'm also old-skool in these things but I fail to see the difference in the given example (as seen from a small distance its a preference thing.).

udo said:

databank said:

There's a very strong reluctance by many people to acknowledge the fact that digital releases are "as real" or "as good" as physical releases,

Duh!

Of course their is 'reluctance'.

Not from everyone.

Calling a download a release of the same kind as a physical medium (CD, vinyl, etc) is absurd.

Of course there is difference. You know the physical media from teh old days and the downloads are in the proven technology field of the modern era.

There's a difference between a LP and a CD but despite many people saying that CD was inferior to LP in the early 90's, and regretting this technological evolution, I don't remember anyone saying that for that reason CDs shouldn't be considered as "proper" releases and that only albums released on vinyl should count in one's discography. One's opinion is irrelevant, the question being what is the dominant format of the times. The dominant format of 2013 is digital. The fact that some people don't like it doesn't make it less true.

But that does not deny the idea that a physical release is a more proper release. One that has seen some work, planning, etc.

Mr. P can record a song, release it 10 minutes later via a download. But that does not have the same feeling as the song processed for a CD and released via stores (be it internet or physical).

Let's not speak about cats when we speak about dogs. Albums, as in "a cohesive collection of musical compositions or a single, long, musical composition that makes a cohesive work of art" is still and will probably remain for a long time the admitted dominant format under which music is released, and there's no reason to question this or to say that Prince is doing the same thing by releasing separate single tracks then by releasing albums. I certainly didn't say that and I myself being an "album guy" regret that no album has been released in 2011 and 2013 (there was Superconductor in 2012). I'd rather have Prince release albums than single tracks and I'd rather have him opening the vault, if he was ever to do it, in the form of cohesive compilations than in the form of separate tracks.

whether we're talking music, movies or books.

If you think that reading a book from a file is the same as reading a book from a file your idea of reality is quite weird: What are you going to do when the batteries run out?

What I think is irrelevant. What I know is that the shares of digital books are growing every year (30% in the US in 2013, i.e. already a third and growing every year) and that there's no reason why it wouldn't keep doing so until it becomes, in turn, the dominant format for books, comic-books, magazines and newspaper (before 2020 at this rate of growth). + old phones didn't need power but that didn't stop mobile phones from becoming the dominant phones format, did it? We are depending on power for everything we do now anyway.

My point is that opinions don't stand against facts. Whether one likes a thing or not doesn't change a thing to the fact that it's happening when it is, and this is why I speak of denial.

udo said:

bigd74 said:

^^^^definitely, proper release is also a sequenced albums worth, rather than a CDR's worth of random downloads released over a year period. The format is fine. If he said that the next album is download only I'd be ok with it as long as it was a thought out properly sequenced album. That's where the term proper is used.

Yes, a properly sequenced album would count.

If it had artwork to self-print, etc.

Just that tad more care... That defines a proper release.

No, you are totally missing the point. Yes a properly sequenced album is needed because it has nothing to do with the format it's released on, but the fact that is has artwork doesn't make it more or less of an album and even if it does have it (most digital albums still have at least a cover if not a digital booklet) it shouldn't certainly be for printing but for being looked on a screen. The fact that digital sales is now the dominant format implies that people listen to the music as such, not that they download the music to burn it on CD and print a booklet

dualboot said:

udo said:

If you think that reading a book from a file is the same as reading a book from a file your idea of reality is quite weird: What are you going to do when the batteries run out?

Or the paper of a book catches fire or gets wet...

This is preference for the mediumtype but all can be damaged.

I would prefer a book in hand but I'm also old-skool in these things but I fail to see the difference in the given example (as seen from a small distance its a preference thing.).

Technically tablets and readers are more fragile than paper it's true (they can't fall, for one thing), and depend on power, but nonetheless the thing is that people are more and more going to have a "single portable multimedia object" that will serve as a phone, a watch, a timer, a calculator, a computer, a TV, a radio, a walkman, a VCR and... a reader (among other uses), so anyway they'll have it everywhere they go and they'll make sure they don't run outta battery the same way they make sure their iPods or mobile phones don't run out of battery... + there's hope that batteries will last considerably longer in the future, as there's no absolute technical limitation that prevents that (even if it's currently one of the most challenging challenge of the multimedia industry).

OF COURSE in a zombie apocalypse or fall of civilization situation paper would survive and all computer data may be lost until a new civilization emerges to ractivate old hard drives but hell, if this happens we'll be so fucked anyway

databank said:

The fact that digital sales is now the dominant format implies that people listen to the music as such, not that they download the music to burn it on CD and print a booklet

Consuming music is not the same as listening to it.

Can you find that SD-card that you put that 15-year old album on? Do you even know which card you are looking for? Can you even read those cards 15 years from now?

Or did you put the audio on the flash of the device itself? Good luck!

udo said:

databank said:

The fact that digital sales is now the dominant format implies that people listen to the music as such, not that they download the music to burn it on CD and print a booklet

Consuming music is not the same as listening to it.

Can you find that SD-card that you put that 15-year old album on? Do you even know which card you are looking for? Can you even read those cards 15 years from now?

Or did you put the audio on the flash of the device itself? Good luck!

No offense but that's the worst BS I've ever heard and one of the usual fallacious arguments of the anti-digital propagandists. How come they are not in a panic of losing their pictures or work documents when they're in such a rush to claim that any digital cultural product is doomed to disappear?

For one thing do u remember where you put that CD you had when you were 12 after you've moved out of your parent's house and lived in 10 different appartments with various flatmates and girlfriends? Which one of them stole your CD? In what box that's in your parent's attic is it now?

But to get back to digital, basically you are saying "the technology isn't valid because I'm a dummy who can't use it properly and have never heard of a back-up copy". Man if you leave your CD or vinyl out of it's box or folder and put things on it and it ends-up being spoiled and unusable, then don't go and complain that LP or CD technology is not valid because you're too dumb to use it (I'm not saying you are dumb as an individual, just in a general manner for the sake of the conversation, it's not about you). I still have ALL my NPGMC files from 2001, the original ones. I'll still have them in 2050 if I'm still alive. I still have each and every one of the musical file or movie file I've ever had. For that matter I also have all the things I've produced as a writer because yeah I don't handwrite or use a typemachine, does that mean that I'm doomed to one day lose all the unpublished things I've written in my life? Wow that's tough. And I really feel sorry for my pro photographer friends who are gonna lose a lifetime of work one day as well...

I have 1 back-up at my best friend's house in case I get robbed or my place burns. I have another back-up at home. That's 3 copies overall, so if my drive crashes I will only lose the most recent stuff. A 2 terra pocket external hard drive is now 115€ so that's not really a big investment Online storage is also becoming a more and more popular option, and I'll soon do that for my writings as well, just in case. If there was a format change I would simply copy the stuff on the new format before it's disappeared for 25 years So yeah 2 weeks ago a hard drive of mine crashed, I lost some recent stuff I hadn't backed-up yet and yeah I was pissed, but before 2 weeks I'll have everything I've lost again, it's downloading as I write.

So basically just because some dummies can't use a technology properly doesn't mean it's not good, or then it's back to stone age because no matter how primitive there will always be a dummy who can't handle any technology...

[Edited 1/9/14 5:28am]

^ Actually my didgital music and movies collection is MUCH safer than your CD/DVD collection because my house can be robbed or burn or whatever I still have everything, but if something happens to your place then dude u're sooooooooooooo fucked. + if I lose something I can replace it for free, while you have to buy it again.

So what's your point?

A CD/vinyl/DVD/booklet is a beautiful thing to hold in one's hands and make really beautiful bookshelves in the house, I'll give you that in all honesty. But that's all I'll give you.

udo said:

databank said:

The fact that digital sales is now the dominant format implies that people listen to the music as such, not that they download the music to burn it on CD and print a booklet

Consuming music is not the same as listening to it.

Can you find that SD-card that you put that 15-year old album on? Do you even know which card you are looking for? Can you even read those cards 15 years from now?

Or did you put the audio on the flash of the device itself? Good luck!

Maybe it's in the attic with all the dusty books that have been forgoten about, or in the same box as the dusty vinyl.... But that's just the SD card maybe that card has been lost but the information on that SD card has been copied to several diffrent drives so that if one get's destroyed or lost you still have a couple of copies of the album unlike if you step on a cd or a record gets scratched

To me music is music whatever the format,If you can hear it and replay it's a valid part of the discography. So to my ears the post WB has been great and 2013 may not of had an album but there was plenty of new music

chopingard said:

udo said:

Consuming music is not the same as listening to it.

Can you find that SD-card that you put that 15-year old album on? Do you even know which card you are looking for? Can you even read those cards 15 years from now?

Or did you put the audio on the flash of the device itself? Good luck!

Maybe it's in the attic with all the dusty books that have been forgoten about, or in the same box as the dusty vinyl.... But that's just the SD card maybe that card has been lost but the information on that SD card has been copied to several diffrent drives so that if one get's destroyed or lost you still have a couple of copies of the album unlike if you step on a cd or a record gets scratched

To me music is music whatever the format,If you can hear it and replay it's a valid part of the discography. So to my ears the post WB has been great and 2013 may not of had an album but there was plenty of new music

What really pisses me off is the bad faith of people. They can say that they're old skool, that they've missed the bus, that they don't like it, it's OK to dislike things and to say "that may be the way of the world but it's not for me". But no, they will always try and come-up with the same old illogical fallacious arguments to try and demonstrate that it's bad when they just happen not to like it.

- The sound quality is not as good -> FLAC and a good sound card will solve that, admitting you're among the 10% of people who can actually win a blind test of MP3 320 vs. FLAC.

- We need power -> We need power for every human activity in 2013.

- The data can be lost -> With back-up copies and the internet it's safer than ever.

- The booklets and cover will disappear -> They can exist digitally as well, and they'll be bigger and more beautiful on your TV screen than on a tiny CD booklet.

- It's not "real" -> Well if you can listen to it it's quite real.

- It will never be more popular than physical releases -> Er... it IS ALREADY more popular than physical releases.

I keep hearing this again and again, it's silly. Why can't people just say "well it's a wonderful technological revolution and it's the future, but it's just not for me". My father collects old clocks and old watches and he thinks they're more beautiful to collect than wristwatches or mobile phones, but he's not trying to demonstrate that they're better than wristwatches or mobile phones when it comes to knowing what time it is

databank said:

chopingard said:

Maybe it's in the attic with all the dusty books that have been forgoten about, or in the same box as the dusty vinyl.... But that's just the SD card maybe that card has been lost but the information on that SD card has been copied to several diffrent drives so that if one get's destroyed or lost you still have a couple of copies of the album unlike if you step on a cd or a record gets scratched

To me music is music whatever the format,If you can hear it and replay it's a valid part of the discography. So to my ears the post WB has been great and 2013 may not of had an album but there was plenty of new music

What really pisses me off is the bad faith of people. They can say that they're old skool, that they've missed the bus, that they don't like it, it's OK to dislike things and to say "that may be the way of the world but it's not for me". But no, they will always try and come-up with the same old illogical fallacious arguments to try and demonstrate that it's bad when they just happen not to like it.

- The sound quality is not as good -> FLAC and a good sound card will solve that, admitting you're among the 10% of people who can actually win a blind test of MP3 320 vs. FLAC.

- We need power -> We need power for every human activity in 2013.

- The data can be lost -> With back-up copies and the internet it's safer than ever.

- The booklets and cover will disappear -> They can exist digitally as well, and they'll be bigger and more beautiful on your TV screen than on a tiny CD booklet.

- It's not "real" -> Well if you can listen to it it's quite real.

- It will never be more popular than physical releases -> Er... it IS ALREADY more popular than physical releases.

I keep hearing this again and again, it's silly. Why can't people just say "well it's a wonderful technological revolution and it's the future, but it's just not for me". My father collects old clocks and old watches and he thinks they're more beautiful to collect than wristwatches or mobile phones, but he's not trying to demonstrate that they're better than wristwatches or mobile phones when it comes to knowing what time it is

THANK YOU!!!

I love my vinyl, I mean I really love my vinyl... It's my favourite way to own a copy of music and if there was a vinyl version of N.E.W.S, C-Note or Slaughter House then I would buy it in a second. To me it's like putting an offering on an alter to the gods of music BUT!

This is my preference and dose not negate or de legitimise any other form of listening... I have an I-pod stacked with Prince that I take to work and listen to on the bus and it brings me joy.

So I really do think if you add up all digital releases all physical releases all free streams that in my opinion are legitamate the post WB it's been a fricking orgy of new music. I guess it just depends how you see Princes career. I happen to be happy about it (frustrated sometimes yes but that was always gonna happen with someone as ADD as Prince) I see why some are not especially if you choose not to recognise digital as a real release.

We are getting distracted. We all get most excited for releases of albums whether they are physical or not. The number of releases of albums post WB has not substantially exceded and, depending on your viewpoint, has been less than his WB days.

I got excited when he released SOTT. The following year I got just as excited when he released Lovesexy. I also got excited when he released 20Ten. We are coming up on four years and I have not been able to get excited about his next project. I've listened to that Bearded lady song like twice. For Prince to not have an album release of any sort since 2010 at this stage in his career has been a disappointment. That is my only point and I think that most people would agree.

donnyenglish said:

We are getting distracted. We all get most excited for releases of albums whether they are physical or not. The number of releases of albums post WB has not substantially exceded and, depending on your viewpoint, has been less than his WB days.

I got excited when he released SOTT. The following year I got just as excited when he released Lovesexy. I also got excited when he released 20Ten. We are coming up on four years and I have not been able to get excited about his next project. I've listened to that Bearded lady song like twice. For Prince to not have an album release of any sort since 2010 at this stage in his career has been a disappointment. That is my only point and I think that most people would agree.

So your argument/stance is really about how you experience the music, not how MUCH music Prince has released to experience. You're basically saying Prince hasn't given you enough opportunities to experience getting and listening to his music the way you prefer. That's fine. But it shouldn't be couched in an argument that Prince somehow did not live up to his comments about releasing more music once free from WB. The two are separate arguments.

databank said:

I keep hearing this again and again, it's silly. Why can't people just say "well it's a wonderful technological revolution and it's the future, but it's just not for me". My father collects old clocks and old watches and he thinks they're more beautiful to collect than wristwatches or mobile phones, but he's not trying to demonstrate that they're better than wristwatches or mobile phones when it comes to knowing what time it is

GREAT analogy lol ...

SquirrelMeat said:

He's been taking career advice from Kate Bush.

If only. Maybe i'd give a shit again!

Byron said: donnyenglish said: We are getting distracted. We all get most excited for releases of albums whether they are physical or not. The number of releases of albums post WB has not substantially exceded and, depending on your viewpoint, has been less than his WB days. I got excited when he released SOTT. The following year I got just as excited when he released Lovesexy. I also got excited when he released 20Ten. We are coming up on four years and I have not been able to get excited about his next project. I've listened to that Bearded lady song like twice. For Prince to not have an album release of any sort since 2010 at this stage in his career has been a disappointment. That is my only point and I think that most people would agree. So your argument/stance is really about how you experience the music, not how MUCH music Prince has released to experience. You're basically saying Prince hasn't given you enough opportunities to experience getting and listening to his music the way you prefer. That's fine. But it shouldn't be couched in an argument that Prince somehow did not live up to his comments about releasing more music once free from WB. The two are separate arguments. .I think his point is that the way he prefers is the way *most* fans prefer. Most fans want an album with at least a bit of focus and push. I prefer physical product, but I'd take something like The Slaughterhouse at this point. Just something that collects it all and says, "Here's an album. Enjoy."If you want to say that doesn't matter to you, that's okay. But you are clearly in the minority.

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