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Printablewellbeyond said: MiaBocca said: None of these statements explicitly state that "if you don't agree with me, you are wrong" - like TRC does.
Hmmm...well, I think if Prince said "They made him pray to Jesus, Jimmy say it wasn't cool...earthly things served Jimmy well...now Jimmy's doomed to eternity in Hell", we would say Prince is being pretty damn explicit...lol   | |
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MiaBocca said: Anji said: MiaBocca said: The theocratic order stuff, and a brief hint that homosexuality is wrong is what peturbs me the most. Where is that brief hint?"The Wise One's love 4 God, assimilated the woman first and only" Like I said it's a brief hint - take it as you like, but I took that as to mean that relationships under God are accepted only as male/female - with the woman in subjection to the man, and the man in subjection to God. And here I thought that was a reference to Genesis... Anji, you phreak! These two albums have nothing in common?! :LOL: Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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teller said: MiaBocca said: Anji said: MiaBocca said: The theocratic order stuff, and a brief hint that homosexuality is wrong is what peturbs me the most. Where is that brief hint?"The Wise One's love 4 God, assimilated the woman first and only" Like I said it's a brief hint - take it as you like, but I took that as to mean that relationships under God are accepted only as male/female - with the woman in subjection to the man, and the man in subjection to God. And here I thought that was a reference to Genesis... Anji, you phreak! These two albums have nothing in common?! :LOL: | |
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Anji said: I agree, it is a tenuous link.
 Prince's Wally doesn't see this.
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The lyrics/content of Rainbow doesn't really bother me. What interests me is that he found a subject which obviously inspired him to his best album in years. I can't understand people getting all fussy about the lyrics of one of the crudest lyricists of pop history.
I'm thinking people shouldn't get too carried away and enjoy the music, just like they did all the way back when Controversy came out. I'm sure that'd be too easy though for some of our more miserable Orgers. "If it ain't your cup of tea, then thats fine with me" - Hardly a pushy evangalist ----------------------------------------- | |
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Lleena said: Anji said: I agree, it is a tenuous link.
Prince's Wally doesn't see this.
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dewmass said: The lyrics/content of Rainbow doesn't really bother me. What interests me is that he found a subject which obviously inspired him to his best album in years. I can't understand people getting all fussy about the lyrics of one of the crudest lyricists of pop history.
My tenuous link! I'm thinking people shouldn't get too carried away and enjoy the music, just like they did all the way back when Controversy came out. I'm sure that'd be too easy though for some of our more miserable Orgers. "If it ain't your cup of tea, then thats fine with me" - Hardly a pushy evangalist  | |
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The only my way or the highway lyrics in "1+1+1 is 3" is that of ANYONE in any monogamous relationship. EVERYBODY lays down their own laws, even if verbally unstated to us as outsiders, about what they need in a potential partner/relationship. It sure as hell ain't like non-religious people don't do it with their own values.
ALL of us are "closed-minded" toward what we don't want in a partner and a relationship - and there ain't a damn thing wrong with that. Yet, Prince should be excluded in order to entertain us properly. Obviously we as individuals have different values. But we always feel our own values are better than others'. Especially when it comes to our possessiveness of who we want sing and dance for us. That's what I find to be closed-minded. Bloody hell, he's proclaiming his values about himself, his partner, and their relationship with and to God. It's commonplace with devout believers. Time to get over it. And uh, no Anji, I don't think there are many similarities among Controversy and TRC.  TRC harkens back more to '70s instrumentation with the prominent Rhodes up in the mix and the real drums. Controversy has more of an electronic new wave influence.This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: The only my way or the highway lyrics in "1+1+1 is 3" is that of ANYONE in any monogamous relationship. EVERYBODY lays down their own laws, even if verbally unstated to us as outsiders, about what they need in a potential partner/relationship. It sure as hell ain't like non-religious people don't do it with their own values.
ALL of us are "closed-minded" toward what we don't want in a partner and a relationship - and there ain't a damn thing wrong with that. Yet, Prince should be excluded in order to entertain us properly. Obviously we as individuals have different values. But we always feel our own values are better than others'. Especially when it comes to our possessiveness of who we want sing and dance for us. That's what I find to be closed-minded. Bloody hell, he's proclaiming his values about himself, his partner, and their relationship with and to God. It's commonplace with devout believers. Time to get over it. | |
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Supernova said: And uh, no Anji, I don't think there are many similarities among Controversy and TRC. Whatever. TRC harkens back more to '70s instrumentation with the prominent Rhodes up in the mix and the real drums. Controversy has more of an electronic new wave influence. | |
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Uh, Miabocca, I think you may have misinterpreted this line if you think it is anti homosexual.
It is a retelling of the Genesis story, and refers to the temptation of the wise one's (Prince's) woman (Mayte?) by the serpent, or in this case the resistor. The resistor knows that the wise one's love for god is so strong, that he decides to assimilate/tempt the woman first and only. She falls, and is banished from the garden/rainbow forever (Mayte leaves Prince for good). The remainder of the album is concerned with the wise one (Prince) explicitly laying down his conditions for a new love - ie the muse (Mani?) must share his understanding and love for god to truly understand and love him. By "She Loves Me 4 Me" it is clear that the muse has reached this understanding and true love. It reminds me of the scene in GB when he plays hangman with Aura. Through this main narrative, Prince touches on common themes of the medicocrity of mass media, the history of his people and the treatment of his musical heroes by this mass media, and how ultimately he doesn't care for their rules, because he is secure within the walls of his palace to do as he pleases. His faith in god is his faith in his abilities because his music is a gift from god, and rises above the criticisms of others. At least, that is one of my takes on it. There are lots of levels of understanding on this album, which is why it is one of my favourites - whilst people have said it is explicit and unambiguous, I believe that it can be interpreted in many ways, as most of his albums can. For all the dressin gup in pseudo biblical terms, however, I do think one major strand in TRC is autobiographical, and describes how Prince has moved on from the Mayte years and found an equal. Don't forget a few years ago he made a huge public and artistic thing out of his relationship to Mayte and for him to move on required an equal artistic statement. However he has learnt to keep his new love out of the public eye, and to express his love in a less explicit way than previously. | |
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cosmicslop said: Uh, Miabocca, I think you may have misinterpreted this line if you think it is anti homosexual.
That is brilliant... It is a retelling of the Genesis story, and refers to the temptation of the wise one's (Prince's) woman (Mayte?) by the serpent, or in this case the resistor. The resistor knows that the wise one's love for god is so strong, that he decides to assimilate/tempt the woman first and only. She falls, and is banished from the garden/rainbow forever (Mayte leaves Prince for good). The remainder of the album is concerned with the wise one (Prince) explicitly laying down his conditions for a new love - ie the muse (Mani?) must share his understanding and love for god to truly understand and love him. By "She Loves Me 4 Me" it is clear that the muse has reached this understanding and true love. It reminds me of the scene in GB when he plays hangman with Aura. Through this main narrative, Prince touches on common themes of the medicocrity of mass media, the history of his people and the treatment of his musical heroes by this mass media, and how ultimately he doesn't care for their rules, because he is secure within the walls of his palace to do as he pleases. His faith in god is his faith in his abilities because his music is a gift from god, and rises above the criticisms of others. At least, that is one of my takes on it. There are lots of levels of understanding on this album, which is why it is one of my favourites - whilst people have said it is explicit and unambiguous, I believe that it can be interpreted in many ways, as most of his albums can. For all the dressin gup in pseudo biblical terms, however, I do think one major strand in TRC is autobiographical, and describes how Prince has moved on from the Mayte years and found an equal. Don't forget a few years ago he made a huge public and artistic thing out of his relationship to Mayte and for him to move on required an equal artistic statement. However he has learnt to keep his new love out of the public eye, and to express his love in a less explicit way than previously. | |
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Cosmicslop hits the nail on the head. TRC is very much about Prince's relationship with Mayte, Mani, the media and God. Also in the mix are his feeling about being a black man in this society. That so many people seem to overlook all of what he is saying is a shame. There is always more than meets the eye (and ear) with prince. Think a little bit people. | |
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Supernova said: The only my way or the highway lyrics in "1+1+1 is 3" is that of ANYONE in any monogamous relationship. EVERYBODY lays down their own laws, even if verbally unstated to us as outsiders, about what they need in a potential partner/relationship. It sure as hell ain't like non-religious people don't do it with their own values.
ALL of us are "closed-minded" toward what we don't want in a partner and a relationship - and there ain't a damn thing wrong with that. Yet, Prince should be excluded in order to entertain us properly. Obviously we as individuals have different values. But we always feel our own values are better than others'. Especially when it comes to our possessiveness of who we want sing and dance for us. That's what I find to be closed-minded. Bloody hell, he's proclaiming his values about himself, his partner, and their relationship with and to God. It's commonplace with devout believers. Time to get over it. I can't imagine it ever being said better. Anybody that doesn't have a "my way or the highway" attitude towards finding the proper mate is going to go through a lot of unnecessary hell. | |
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cosmicslop said: Uh, Miabocca, I think you may have misinterpreted this line if you think it is anti homosexual.
It is a retelling of the Genesis story, and refers to the temptation of the wise one's (Prince's) woman (Mayte?) by the serpent, or in this case the resistor. The resistor knows that the wise one's love for god is so strong, that he decides to assimilate/tempt the woman first and only. She falls, and is banished from the garden/rainbow forever (Mayte leaves Prince for good). The remainder of the album is concerned with the wise one (Prince) explicitly laying down his conditions for a new love - ie the muse (Mani?) must share his understanding and love for god to truly understand and love him. By "She Loves Me 4 Me" it is clear that the muse has reached this understanding and true love. It reminds me of the scene in GB when he plays hangman with Aura. Through this main narrative, Prince touches on common themes of the medicocrity of mass media, the history of his people and the treatment of his musical heroes by this mass media, and how ultimately he doesn't care for their rules, because he is secure within the walls of his palace to do as he pleases. His faith in god is his faith in his abilities because his music is a gift from god, and rises above the criticisms of others. At least, that is one of my takes on it. There are lots of levels of understanding on this album, which is why it is one of my favourites - whilst people have said it is explicit and unambiguous, I believe that it can be interpreted in many ways, as most of his albums can. For all the dressin gup in pseudo biblical terms, however, I do think one major strand in TRC is autobiographical, and describes how Prince has moved on from the Mayte years and found an equal. Don't forget a few years ago he made a huge public and artistic thing out of his relationship to Mayte and for him to move on required an equal artistic statement. However he has learnt to keep his new love out of the public eye, and to express his love in a less explicit way than previously. This is what happens when people are strong in their own views. They not only can understand the views of others but they can find their own truths buried along the path. Bravo! Bravo! Bravo! | |
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tricky99 said: Cosmicslop hits the nail on the head. TRC is very much about Prince's relationship with Mayte, Mani, the media and God. Also in the mix are his feeling about being a black man in this society. That so many people seem to overlook all of what he is saying is a shame. There is always more than meets the eye (and ear) with prince. Think a little bit people.
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Anji said: Supernova said: And uh, no Anji, I don't think there are many similarities among Controversy and TRC. Whatever. TRC harkens back more to '70s instrumentation with the prominent Rhodes up in the mix and the real drums. Controversy has more of an electronic new wave influence.I decided to read your post again. And I understand what you're saying - in parts, like this: Family Name owes a very bass heavy, experimental nod to the likes of Annie Christian
Just thinking about those two songs, but not playing them lately, I can understand what you mean. I also understand what you mean when you say: "The Rainbow Children is Prince's 'Controversy'..."
...and went into detail later in your first post. RD has said the same thing, and I agreed with him when he made that thread. Although he wasn't saying both albums were similar musically, he was saying that TRC is Prince's most controversial record among faithful Prince fans who didn't leave the bandwagon back in his commercial heyday. And those who disagree, but yet let the album's content get under their skin, prove the point inadvertently. So yes, I agree with you, a little - but mainly outside of the musical aspect of it. Whatevah. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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cosmicslop said: Uh, Miabocca, I think you may have misinterpreted this line if you think it is anti homosexual.
It is a retelling of the Genesis story, and refers to the temptation of the wise one's (Prince's) woman (Mayte?) by the serpent, or in this case the resistor. The resistor knows that the wise one's love for god is so strong, that he decides to assimilate/tempt the woman first and only. She falls, and is banished from the garden/rainbow forever (Mayte leaves Prince for good). The remainder of the album is concerned with the wise one (Prince) explicitly laying down his conditions for a new love - ie the muse (Mani?) must share his understanding and love for god to truly understand and love him. By "She Loves Me 4 Me" it is clear that the muse has reached this understanding and true love. It reminds me of the scene in GB when he plays hangman with Aura. Through this main narrative, Prince touches on common themes of the medicocrity of mass media, the history of his people and the treatment of his musical heroes by this mass media, and how ultimately he doesn't care for their rules, because he is secure within the walls of his palace to do as he pleases. His faith in god is his faith in his abilities because his music is a gift from god, and rises above the criticisms of others. At least, that is one of my takes on it. There are lots of levels of understanding on this album, which is why it is one of my favourites - whilst people have said it is explicit and unambiguous, I believe that it can be interpreted in many ways, as most of his albums can. For all the dressin gup in pseudo biblical terms, however, I do think one major strand in TRC is autobiographical, and describes how Prince has moved on from the Mayte years and found an equal. Don't forget a few years ago he made a huge public and artistic thing out of his relationship to Mayte and for him to move on required an equal artistic statement. However he has learnt to keep his new love out of the public eye, and to express his love in a less explicit way than previously. Go deep. Go deep. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Supernova said: Anji said: Supernova said: And uh, no Anji, I don't think there are many similarities among Controversy and TRC. Whatever. TRC harkens back more to '70s instrumentation with the prominent Rhodes up in the mix and the real drums. Controversy has more of an electronic new wave influence.I decided to read your post again. And I understand what you're saying - in parts, like this: Family Name owes a very bass heavy, experimental nod to the likes of Annie Christian
Just thinking about those two songs, but not playing them lately, I can understand what you mean. I also understand what you mean when you say: "The Rainbow Children is Prince's 'Controversy'..."
...and went into detail later in your first post. RD has said the same thing, and I agreed with him when he made that thread. Although he wasn't saying both albums were similar musically, he was saying that TRC is Prince's most controversial record among faithful Prince fans who didn't leave the bandwagon back in his commercial heyday. And those who disagree, but yet let the album's content get under their skin, prove the point inadvertently. So yes, I agree with you, a little - but mainly outside of the musical aspect of it. Whatevah. | |
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The lyrics are:
As prophesied, the Wise One and his woman were tempted by the Resistor. He (the Resistor or Satan) knowing full well the Wise One's love 4 God, assimilated the woman first and only. Quite naturally chaos ensued... I understand how some see a possiblity of reference to Prince & Mayte, but having studied the Bible, I can tell you that this also kind of fits what is written in the book of Genesis. Satan (which means "Resistor") went after Eve first and "only" (when she was alone) so that he could mess up not only the relationship between her and Adam, but ultimately the relationship they both had with Jehovah God. The only thing I don't get is who the 5 others are who were banished from the Rainbow forever... Anybody here got a clue about who the 5 are or should I write Prince? But I definitely don't see any reference to homosexuality! | |
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cosmicslop said: Uh, Miabocca, I think you may have misinterpreted this line if you think it is anti homosexual.
It is a retelling of the Genesis story, and refers to the temptation of the wise one's (Prince's) woman (Mayte?) by the serpent, or in this case the resistor. The resistor knows that the wise one's love for god is so strong, that he decides to assimilate/tempt the woman first and only. She falls, and is banished from the garden/rainbow forever (Mayte leaves Prince for good). The remainder of the album is concerned with the wise one (Prince) explicitly laying down his conditions for a new love - ie the muse (Mani?) must share his understanding and love for god to truly understand and love him. By "She Loves Me 4 Me" it is clear that the muse has reached this understanding and true love. It reminds me of the scene in GB when he plays hangman with Aura. Through this main narrative, Prince touches on common themes of the medicocrity of mass media, the history of his people and the treatment of his musical heroes by this mass media, and how ultimately he doesn't care for their rules, because he is secure within the walls of his palace to do as he pleases. His faith in god is his faith in his abilities because his music is a gift from god, and rises above the criticisms of others. At least, that is one of my takes on it. There are lots of levels of understanding on this album, which is why it is one of my favourites - whilst people have said it is explicit and unambiguous, I believe that it can be interpreted in many ways, as most of his albums can. For all the dressin gup in pseudo biblical terms, however, I do think one major strand in TRC is autobiographical, and describes how Prince has moved on from the Mayte years and found an equal. Don't forget a few years ago he made a huge public and artistic thing out of his relationship to Mayte and for him to move on required an equal artistic statement. However he has learnt to keep his new love out of the public eye, and to express his love in a less explicit way than previously. that is exactly what I think! BY THE POWER INVESTED IN ME BY GOD ALL NEGATIVITY BOWS | |
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COSMICSLOP & TRICK99...U BOTH INDEED HIT HE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!! WHEN TRC CAME OUT I READ SO MANY FANS ON THE .ORG PUTTING THIS (MASTERPIECE, FROM WHAT I WAS HEARING) DOWN. PRINCE HAS ALWAYS HAD HIS BELIEFS AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ALL, BUT I RESPECT HIS OPINIONS AND I TRY 2 "HEAR-LISTEN" 2 THE MUSIC & THE WORDS. A LOT OF FOLKS WE'RE TURNED-OFF BY THE CAMILLE-VOICE AND AGREE,..TRC COULD HAVE DONE WITH-OUT IT. I DECIDED TO LOOK PASS IT,2 LOOK DEEPER AND I FOUND AN INCREDIBLE JAZZ-FUNK-ROCK ALBUM THAT THE MASS PUBLIC WILL OVER LOOK AND MISS THIS MUSICAL MASTERPIECE BY AN VERY UNDERATED MUSIC GENIUS NAMED PRINCE. | |
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Supernova, cosmic, anji... y'all holdin down while i'm gone. Keep it up yall  "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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Really?
Ah, that's cool then - It didn't really spoil the music for me, I love the album, but that line did leave a sour taste in my mouth before. Well, I guess I'm gonna go and crank up TRC to the highest level now --------------------
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MiaBocca said: Really?
Ah, that's cool then - It didn't really spoil the music for me, I love the album, but that line did leave a sour taste in my mouth before. Well, I guess I'm gonna go and crank up TRC to the highest level now | |
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ROADHOUSEGARDEN said: COSMICSLOP & TRICK99...U BOTH INDEED HIT HE NAIL ON THE HEAD!!! WHEN TRC CAME OUT I READ SO MANY FANS ON THE .ORG PUTTING THIS (MASTERPIECE, FROM WHAT I WAS HEARING) DOWN. PRINCE HAS ALWAYS HAD HIS BELIEFS AND I DON'T AGREE WITH THEM ALL, BUT I RESPECT HIS OPINIONS AND I TRY 2 "HEAR-LISTEN" 2 THE MUSIC & THE WORDS. A LOT OF FOLKS WE'RE TURNED-OFF BY THE CAMILLE-VOICE AND AGREE,..TRC COULD HAVE DONE WITH-OUT IT. I DECIDED TO LOOK PASS IT,2 LOOK DEEPER AND I FOUND AN INCREDIBLE JAZZ-FUNK-ROCK ALBUM THAT THE MASS PUBLIC WILL OVER LOOK AND MISS THIS MUSICAL MASTERPIECE BY AN VERY UNDERATED MUSIC GENIUS NAMED PRINCE. Prince is not an underrated musician, by any stretch of the imagination. Everyone, industry included, recognises the genius that once was. Since he left Warners, he is being overlooked for commercial reasons mainly. | |
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oh lawd...
without dm or controversy, there's no way there'd be a trc.  mine!!
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: oh lawd...
I thought you didn't like The Rainbow Children? without dm or controversy, there's no way there'd be a trc. | |
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Anji said: I thought you didn't like The Rainbow Children?
i don't. i just gave my honest opinion on the whole thing. trc is by no means another controversy, period-point-blank.
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: Anji said: I thought you didn't like The Rainbow Children?
i don't. i just gave my honest opinion on the whole thing. trc is by no means another controversy, period-point-blank.
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