millwall said:

He was better back then.

ain't that the truth..! Who could disagree..?

millwall said:

He was better back then.

Prince is 2 times the musician in 2013 that he was "back then".

Now the actual records released? That is a different story.

[Edited 8/20/13 12:06pm]

Graycap23 said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

I think WB years sold us a marketing product. Prince was a good pop-musician with creative people working with. WB sold us a musical genius. He wasn't.

Prince showed he wasn't in many ways lately.

If you usually listen Milli Vanilli or if you have a "Kissing the pink" poster in you room, ok Prince could be a genius for you, but a Zappa, Stockhausen, Berio, Petrassi, Banchieri, Davis opera could drive you in musical lands forbidden for Prince.

Nonsense.

^ haha... Fabrizio you are a bit strange.. did you just write "Prince wasn't a musical genius"..?


and.. are you comparing Prince to the one hit wonders Milli Vanilli who fell into disgrace...

"Zappa, Stockhausen, Berio, Petrassi, Banchieri, Davis".. I know Frank Zappa, who are the others mentioned..??

Different genres, but Prince have more impact on the "modern music scene" than Zappa ever had, he is more an underground phenomenon.. Zappa, imho.

millwall said:

He was better back then.

But very unhappy, indeed.

thedance said:

Graycap23 said:

Nonsense.

^ haha... Fabrizio you are a bit strange.. did you just write "Prince wasn't a musical genius"..?

and.. are you comparing Prince to the one hit wonders Milli Vanilli who fell into disgrace...

"Zappa, Stockhausen, Berio, Petrassi, Banchieri, Davis".. I know Frank Zappa, who are the others mentioned..??

Different genres, but Prince have more impact on the "modern music scene" than Zappa ever had, he is more an underground phenomenon.. Zappa, imho.

I think the "modern music scene" you are talking about is the "mass-media music scene". Prince used/was used for economic reason, and many people wrote literaure about him. "He did not use bass in when doves cry, ohh genius". Literature for teen-agers. Same people are writing now about the lady gaga boops. The impact needs a hit and a response: I doubt people will still talk about Prince in the next 50, 100 years. I don't think the same of other muscian I talked about. Mainstream talks (sometimes) about Prince today because a) it is quite easy write about pop music, b) the WB marketing in '80 worked fine. I listen Prince today because I started in '80 and he is easy to listen while I'm driving the car, the motor sound leave the muziq flow. But I think he know the buzz around his music is buzz. And it will collaps when the mass-media will collaps under the new ways media are building the flow to sell product.

fabriziovenerandi said:

thedance said:

^ haha... Fabrizio you are a bit strange.. did you just write "Prince wasn't a musical genius"..?

and.. are you comparing Prince to the one hit wonders Milli Vanilli who fell into disgrace...

"Zappa, Stockhausen, Berio, Petrassi, Banchieri, Davis".. I know Frank Zappa, who are the others mentioned..??

Different genres, but Prince have more impact on the "modern music scene" than Zappa ever had, he is more an underground phenomenon.. Zappa, imho.

I think the "modern music scene" you are talking about is the "mass-media music scene". Prince used/was used for economic reason, and many people wrote literaure about him. "He did not use bass in when doves cry, ohh genius". Literature for teen-agers. Same people are writing now about the lady gaga boops. The impact needs a hit and a response: I doubt people will still talk about Prince in the next 50, 100 years. I don't think the same of other muscian I talked about. Mainstream talks (sometimes) about Prince today because a) it is quite easy write about pop music, b) the WB marketing in '80 worked fine. I listen Prince today because I started in '80 and he is easy to listen while I'm driving the car, the motor sound leave the muziq flow. But I think he know the buzz around his music is buzz. And it will collaps when the mass-media will collaps under the new ways media are building the flow to sell product.

The general public has something next 2 nothing when it comes 2 the skill set and brilliance of the artist u know as Prince.

They will be studying this guy 4 years after he departs the scene and the same question will keep popping up.

"We did not KNOW that guy was this GOOD"

"How did we NOT know"?

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[Edited 8/22/13 3:29am]

fabriziovenerandi said:

thedance said:

^ haha... Fabrizio you are a bit strange.. did you just write "Prince wasn't a musical genius"..?

and.. are you comparing Prince to the one hit wonders Milli Vanilli who fell into disgrace...

"Zappa, Stockhausen, Berio, Petrassi, Banchieri, Davis".. I know Frank Zappa, who are the others mentioned..??

Different genres, but Prince have more impact on the "modern music scene" than Zappa ever had, he is more an underground phenomenon.. Zappa, imho.

I think the "modern music scene" you are talking about is the "mass-media music scene". Prince used/was used for economic reason, and many people wrote literaure about him. "He did not use bass in when doves cry, ohh genius". Literature for teen-agers. Same people are writing now about the lady gaga boops. The impact needs a hit and a response: I doubt people will still talk about Prince in the next 50, 100 years. I don't think the same of other muscian I talked about. Mainstream talks (sometimes) about Prince today because a) it is quite easy write about pop music, b) the WB marketing in '80 worked fine. I listen Prince today because I started in '80 and he is easy to listen while I'm driving the car, the motor sound leave the muziq flow. But I think he know the buzz around his music is buzz. And it will collaps when the mass-media will collaps under the new ways media are building the flow to sell product.

Congratulations on writing a strong candidate to the silliest (to put it kindly) post of the year on prince.org.

I personally don't understand what it means by "missing the Warner years". If I wanted to listen to Purple Rain, I could just reach the shelve and spin the damn record. It's past and it would be so cheesy and boring if Prince stayed in that capsule. The guy has been there done that in all spectrums of the music business. I think it's time for him just to have fun making music and doing shows as he pleases.

It's more exciting for me to anticipate what he's gonna do next instead of dwelling and lamenting on the "Warner years."

vikfunk said:

I personally don't understand what it means by "missing the Warner years". If I wanted to listen to Purple Rain, I could just reach the shelve and spin the damn record. It's past and it would be so cheesy and boring if Prince stayed in that capsule. The guy has been there done that in all spectrums of the music business. I think it's time for him just to have fun making music and doing shows as he pleases.

It's more exciting for me to anticipate what he's gonna do next instead of dwelling and lamenting on the "Warner years."

i agree. years ago, i took prince the artist personally, his lyrics, music and etc. things like the album TRC upset me because the lyrics seemed to indicate something 'wrong' with prince and his direction. then, i distanced myself for a while and gained perspective. now, i just take whatever is on offer and enjoy it. in fact, i like these recent years more than the wearner years, because prince is freer, and i am too. my 2c

XxAxX said:

then, i distanced myself for a while and gained perspective. now, i just take whatever is on offer and enjoy it. in fact, i like these recent years more than the wearner years, because prince is freer, and i am too. my 2c

well said!

PurpleJedi said: Tremolina said: I've long stopped 'missing the wb years'. It's a waste of time and energy. Oh admit it...you miss them.

No I'm serious, I have stopped missing it. It's not just a LONG time ago, it's also that I've come to accept a long time ago that Prince himself never wants to return to it. And I can totally understand why he doesn't. Sure, the current mode and the one of the last 15 years has not been what I would prefer. But I wouldn't prefer 'the warner years' either. I would much rather have Prince see free AND get his business together, in the way his music deserves. His music doesn't deserve to go unnoticed or die away in some vault. It shouldn't be kept hidden or locked up, nor constrained by law either. The music should ALSO be free, to show to the whole world what it really is. And its fans, they too should ALSO be free to show who they really are. Supporters or users.

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I don't miss the Warners years........but I do miss the extended and remix versions.

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lifefixedup said:

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vikfunk said:

I personally don't understand what it means by "missing the Warner years". If I wanted to listen to Purple Rain, I could just reach the shelve and spin the damn record. It's past and it would be so cheesy and boring if Prince stayed in that capsule. The guy has been there done that in all spectrums of the music business. I think it's time for him just to have fun making music and doing shows as he pleases.

It's more exciting for me to anticipate what he's gonna do next instead of dwelling and lamenting on the "Warner years."

When fans say that they miss the Warner years,I think what many of them are talking about is....they miss the consistency....they miss singles being released in an orderly fashion...they miss 12" versions,maxi-singles....they miss the one-album-a-year deal...the proper promotion,etc.

Since leaving Warners,things haven't been running as smoothly as before.

SoulAlive said:

vikfunk said:

I personally don't understand what it means by "missing the Warner years". If I wanted to listen to Purple Rain, I could just reach the shelve and spin the damn record. It's past and it would be so cheesy and boring if Prince stayed in that capsule. The guy has been there done that in all spectrums of the music business. I think it's time for him just to have fun making music and doing shows as he pleases.

It's more exciting for me to anticipate what he's gonna do next instead of dwelling and lamenting on the "Warner years."

When fans say that they miss the Warner years,I think what many of them are talking about is....they miss the consistency....they miss singles being released in an orderly fashion...they miss 12" versions,maxi-singles....they miss the one-album-a-year deal...the proper promotion,etc.

Since leaving Warners,things haven't been running as smoothly as before.

I can understand that pov. But the entire music industry has been in some kind of upheaval for the last decade or so where things shift at a breakneck pace. Suppose Prince was still in Warner today or any other major label for that matter, there's no guarantee things would be as smooth.

vikfunk said:

SoulAlive said:

When fans say that they miss the Warner years,I think what many of them are talking about is....they miss the consistency....they miss singles being released in an orderly fashion...they miss 12" versions,maxi-singles....they miss the one-album-a-year deal...the proper promotion,etc.

Since leaving Warners,things haven't been running as smoothly as before.

I can understand that pov. But the entire music industry has been in some kind of upheaval for the last decade or so where things shift at a breakneck pace. Suppose Prince was still in Warner today or any other major label for that matter, there's no guarantee things would be as smooth.

true

..because of his output ? at least with warners u'd get ! cd a year plus remixes ...is that the argument?