Tremolina said:

Stymie said:

Of course! I had often felt like someone knew what I was going through.

Isn't that a 'miracle'?

The simple answer is "no".

^ 'miracle', not miracle

Why not and what is it if not a 'miracle'?

Before I'm off to hopefully "sweet dreams" check these lyrics out (also from )

Alright cut! Fade 2 black
Now bring it up and let me kick the facts
And I'm gonna do ya like u wanna...
I'm gonna do ya like u wanna...
I'm gonna do ya like u wanna be done
Continental
Continental

This is the continental
This is the main thing

I can see u dancin' 4 a pack of wolves
I can see them fighting 4 a chance to pull
But they ain't got a shot (shot)
Because the way 2 make u hot
Is 2 let u do your own thing
Instead of tryin 2 make u stop

Go on ahead my dear and dance
This is the new romance
Whatever u want 2 do,
I'll make it happen fast

I am the Continental
I am the main thing
Whatever come 4 and after me is yin yang
Why settle 4 a star when u can have the sun?
C'mon let me do u like u want 2 be done

Alright cut. Dissolve 2 a purple floor
U and me a starring in a movie called "Amour"
3 quarters in a glass, I see u smile and ask
If I flip 'em on my stomach will u marry my ass?
I'd be like "Yeah man"
Cuz I want the main thing (continental)
Whatever come 4 and after that is yin yang (yin yang)
Why settle 4 a star when u can have the sun?
C'mon let me do ya like u want 2 be done

C'mon let me do ya like u want 2 be done
C'mon let me show u how a boy and girl supposed 2 have fun
Hand 2 hand (hand 2 hand)
One 2 one (one 2 one)
Let me do ya, do ya, do ya like ya, like u wanna be done

Con-con-continental

I wanna kiss u, baby yeah I want your lips
I wanna kiss u like - u know, like u know wanna be kissed
All tongue yeah that's right, I want all your germs
I can be heck-a-teacher if u wanna learn

Cuz, I am the continental
I am the main thing
Whatever come 4 and after me is yin yang
Why settle 4 a star when u can have the sun?
C'mon let me do ya like u wanna be done

Con-con-continental

Baby, how u wanna how u wanna be done
Just say the word and we can start from number 1
And go the distance baby, until u tell me stop
I'll lose myself inside u till u get all I got
Talk 2 me baby, tell me how u wanna be done

(yeah)
How u wanna be done?
Shall I go in a circle like the merry-go-round
That u and your girlfriends used 2 ride all up and down
Talk 2 me baby, (talk 2 me baby)
Tell me how u wanna be done (how u wanna be done)
Shall I write the alphabet, (A-B-C-D-E-F-G)
Or shall I just write my name
U tell me, u're the ruler in this telephone game

I could be a slave (oh yeah) (slave)
When it comes down 2 u
I'll do any and everything u want me 2 do
U know why? (why?)
Cuz I want u 2 have fun
So how u wanna be done? (how u wanna be done?)
Baby, how u wanna how u wanna be done
Just say the word and we can start from number 1
And go the distance baby, until u tell me stop
I'll lose myself inside u till u get all I got
Talk 2 me baby, tell me how u wanna be done

I want u to imagine u're making angels
Angels in the snow
And kiss a hundred revolutions nice n' slow
Then I see u on the beat and do a def strip tease
No, no leave the Chanel around your neck
Please baby please
Now do something I've never seen before (how u wanna, how u wanna be
Crawl over 2 me on your stomach done)
More baby more
Now pull me down on top of you
And grind really fast (tell me how u wanna be done)
Take both hands with all your might
And squeeze my... yeah
Roll me over 'til u're back on top
Then I want u 2 kiss me until I make u stop
That's how, that's how I wanna be done (tell me how u wanna be done)

^ If that's not Primaël born on the 7th day of Gemini, then I don't know who or what is...

A 'Slave'?...

Or a 'Pharaoh'?

Maybe just 'Prince'.

Who will 'tell' the 'truth'?

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[Edited 8/14/13 17:15pm]

Considering all the times I've used the alleged registered trademark , I am worried I might be haunted in my dreams by Prince's "team of black, female lawyers"...

'Intellectual property'

Whoever said you could 'own' Intellect?

Or P people?


He was not or never had been in favor
Of setting are people free
If it wasn't for the thirteenth Amendment
We woulda been born in slavery
He was not or never had been in favor
Of letting us vote so you see...
Abraham Lincoln was a racist who said
"You cannot escape from history"

Like the snow comin' down the mountain
That landed on Wounded Knee
Nobody wants to take the weight
The responsibility

Hear the joyous sound of freedom
The Harlem Renaissance
Hear Duke Ellington and his band
Kick another jungle jam
Ooh, do you wanna dance?
Who's that lurking in the shadows?
Mr. John Hammond with his pen in hand...
Sayin' "Sign you're kingdom over to me
And be known throughout the land!"
But, you ain't got no money, you ain't got no cash
So you sign yo name and he claims innocence
Just like every snowflake in an avalanche...

Like the snow comin' down the mountain
That landed on Wounded Knee
Nobody wants to take the weight
The responsibility

.

TRUTH.


-

"I put my foot in the ass of Jim Crow..."

[Edited 8/14/13 17:27pm]

Tremolina said:

^ 'miracle', not miracle

Why not and what is it if not a 'miracle'?

Ah! Sorry didn't pay attention to the quotes. In that case, it is indeed a 'miracle'.

Stymie said:

Tremolina said:

^ 'miracle', not miracle

Why not and what is it if not a 'miracle'?

Ah! Sorry didn't pay attention to the quotes. In that case, it is indeed a 'miracle'.

I would not never 'force' you, but sometimes....

Tremolina said:

Stymie said:

Ah! Sorry didn't pay attention to the quotes. In that case, it is indeed a 'miracle'.

I would not never 'force' you, but sometimes....

A simple mistake.

Now I am really going to let this thread simmer and stop posting to it.

Tremolina said:

(1992) is Prince's 'Revelation'. It's the album that, like Revelation, symbolically expresses The Truth of who he really is, what his life has been and what his future will bring: 'The Book of Victor'. It's him foreseeing what's to Come. A Bitter War that he/we has/have to Fight, but also a Golden Future that he/we is/are Destined to have. By Sacrifice...


Come (1994) is Prince's 'Obituary'. It's his darkest album that, like an Obituary, symbolically expresses his spiritual death and the reasons why, but that also expresses Hope and Life for the Future: Come, the Spirit's calling, here is the reason why: if you had a chance to see the Future would you try? If you will, so will I.

The Gold Experience (1995) is Prince's way of symbolically expressing his true spirit: Active, energetic, dynamic, courageous and of a passionate nature; charismatic with a strong personality which confers him an ascendency over others, seemingly adaptable and accommodating, but nonetheless capable of gently but firmly asserting his rights and ideas, occasionally with a touch of cunning and opportunism or even by amoral means: like an iron fist in a velvet glove with a profound sense of justice, and can react violently to any kind of iniquity; feeling great compassion for his fellow earthlings which often incites him to get involved with groups and associations that have a social or political objective. A highly intuitive man who nevertheless prefers to present his more logical, rational side to the world -> The Gold Experience in full effect.

Emancipation (1996) is Prince's way of symbolically expressing his Freedom, his Emancipation. Not just from his recording contract, also spiritually, emotionally, mentally, physically, musically, financially, socially etc. For a time Prince really was like completely in Balance, completely Happy and Healthy. That he had truly found his Peace and his Precious Pearl.


But The Truth (1997) was different. Perhabs one of his most heartfelt and honest albums ever, The Truth symbolically expresses how The Dawn Comes to You, when you are at your Lowest and Darkest Point. Nuff said.




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I would just like to make a few comments about the above (if I may).

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Honestly, I didn't see the 90's as a particularly happy time for Prince (from my perspective). One of the reasons why I didn't partake of that era was because I felt that there was a lot of darkness and struggle involved. I was in a different place at that time busy doing Bible study, going on mission trips, growing in the Lord etc. Therefore, my focus was on growing in the Lord and not so much on music.

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I know that you mentioned above that during Emancipation that he was in balance, happy, free etc. To be honest, I didn't see it that way at all. The vibe I got from all of it (spiritually) was darkness and very "forced" if you will. It was not based in truth but fantasy. I think Prince desperately wanted to have or believe he had spiritual, emotional & mental health / wholeness but in reality, it was only a fantasy he created to try and escape the truth (reality). If you're truly experiencing true "bliss", then you wouldn't feel THE TRUTH come along so quickly to disturb or disrupt the so called "bliss". Truth is our best friend IF we're willing to embrace it. Sometimes it desperately hurts to embrace but in the end, it's what saves us (and changes us for the better).

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I see photos of the Emacipation era and they look so contrived. Not genuine at all. Once again, it's like he wanted to create a fantasy about he and Mayte and went to extremes to project something that didn't exist. Also, in one interview, I saw him say, "She makes me feel closer to God". My spiritual antennae went up BIG TIME when I heard this because Mayte doesn't come across to me as a God fearing, spiritual person at all (quite the opposite). She has a very dark vibe about her (not one of "walking the light") and from what I've seen of her on TV, the reality is, darkness. So, my question is, she supposedly made him "feel closer to God" but what God are we talking about? The real One or a false god? In a nutshell, I think Prince was deceived. These are just my thoughts and impressions.

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Obviously, he hadn't found peace and she wasn't his precious pearl. That's quite clear. I won't elaborate on the Tommy Lee documentary again but I feel that's a true reflection of what she's about. She's far from spiritual, she's worldly. If she was doing and saying those things to Tommy Lee shortly after she and Prince broke up, then, she was doing the same to Prince. That's not something that draws one "closer to God". Mayte doesn't strike me as the kind of person that spends a lot of time in God's Word, growing, praying, serving etc. It seems to me that she spends a lot of her time partying and in front of a mirror primping herself. It's seems to be about vanity, not about God. So, I find it very difficult to believe that someone with those priorities could in any way, shape or form cause Prince to feel "closer to God". Maybe a false (or dark god) but not YHWH.

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The good news is, IMO, his TRUE emancipation is yet to come.

Stymie said:

Tempest said:

IMHO, there's nothing wrong with tiring of relations and moving on if the relationships aren't worth hanging onto in the first place. There's absolutely no virture in hanging onto people just for the sake of hanging onto them. Many people tend to hang onto lifeless relations (sometimes for their entire lives) just out of codependency or a myriad of other dysfunctional reasons. I would venture to guess that there are more people that hang on to lifeless / loveless relations out of bondage than can easily let go of them. There's no point in continuing to try and force a square peg into a round hole over and over again. Life's too short.

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He strikes me as a person with a short attention span.

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Agreed. However, I believe that will change in time. I won't say anymore on that.

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Tempest said:

Tremolina said:

(1992) is Prince's 'Revelation'. It's the album that, like Revelation, symbolically expresses The Truth of who he really is, what his life has been and what his future will bring: 'The Book of Victor'. It's him foreseeing what's to Come. A Bitter War that he/we has/have to Fight, but also a Golden Future that he/we is/are Destined to have. By Sacrifice...


Come (1994) is Prince's 'Obituary'. It's his darkest album that, like an Obituary, symbolically expresses his spiritual death and the reasons why, but that also expresses Hope and Life for the Future: Come, the Spirit's calling, here is the reason why: if you had a chance to see the Future would you try? If you will, so will I.

The Gold Experience (1995) is Prince's way of symbolically expressing his true spirit: Active, energetic, dynamic, courageous and of a passionate nature; charismatic with a strong personality which confers him an ascendency over others, seemingly adaptable and accommodating, but nonetheless capable of gently but firmly asserting his rights and ideas, occasionally with a touch of cunning and opportunism or even by amoral means: like an iron fist in a velvet glove with a profound sense of justice, and can react violently to any kind of iniquity; feeling great compassion for his fellow earthlings which often incites him to get involved with groups and associations that have a social or political objective. A highly intuitive man who nevertheless prefers to present his more logical, rational side to the world -> The Gold Experience in full effect.

Emancipation (1996) is Prince's way of symbolically expressing his Freedom, his Emancipation. Not just from his recording contract, also spiritually, emotionally, mentally, physically, musically, financially, socially etc. For a time Prince really was like completely in Balance, completely Happy and Healthy. That he had truly found his Peace and his Precious Pearl.


But The Truth (1997) was different. Perhabs one of his most heartfelt and honest albums ever, The Truth symbolically expresses how The Dawn Comes to You, when you are at your Lowest and Darkest Point. Nuff said.




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[Edited 8/14/13 16:37pm]

*

I would just like to make a few comments about the above (if I may).

*

Honestly, I didn't see the 90's as a particularly happy time for Prince (from my perspective). One of the reasons why I didn't partake of that era was because I felt that there was a lot of darkness and struggle involved. I was in a different place at that time busy doing Bible study, going on mission trips, growing in the Lord etc. Therefore, my focus was on growing in the Lord and not so much on music.

*

I know that you mentioned above that during Emancipation that he was in balance, happy, free etc. To be honest, I didn't see it that way at all. The vibe I got from all of it (spiritually) was darkness and very "forced" if you will. It was not based in truth but fantasy. I think Prince desperately wanted to have or believe he had spiritual, emotional & mental health / wholeness but in reality, it was only a fantasy he created to try and escape the truth (reality). If you're truly experiencing true "bliss", then you wouldn't feel THE TRUTH come along so quickly to disturb or disrupt the so called "bliss". Truth is our best friend IF we're willing to embrace it. Sometimes it desperately hurts to embrace but in the end, it's what saves us (and changes us for the better).

*

I see photos of the Emacipation era and they look so contrived. Not genuine at all. Once again, it's like he wanted to create a fantasy about he and Mayte and went to extremes to project something that didn't exist. Also, in one interview, I saw him say, "She makes me feel closer to God". My spiritual antennae went up BIG TIME when I heard this because Mayte doesn't come across to me as a God fearing, spiritual person at all (quite the opposite). She has a very dark vibe about her (not one of "walking the light") and from what I've seen of her on TV, the reality is, darkness. So, my question is, she supposedly made him "feel closer to God" but what God are we talking about? The real One or a false god? In a nutshell, I think Prince was deceived. These are just my thoughts and impressions.

*

Obviously, he hadn't found peace and she wasn't his precious pearl. That's quite clear. I won't elaborate on the Tommy Lee documentary again but I feel that's a true reflection of what she's about. She's far from spiritual, she's worldly. If she was doing and saying those things to Tommy Lee shortly after she and Prince broke up, then, she was doing the same to Prince. That's not something that draws one "closer to God". Mayte doesn't strike me as the kind of person that spends a lot of time in God's Word, growing, praying, serving etc. It seems to me that she spends a lot of her time partying and in front of a mirror primping herself. It's seems to be about vanity, not about God. So, I find it very difficult to believe that someone with those priorities could in any way, shape or form cause Prince to feel "closer to God". Maybe a false (or dark god) but not YHWH.

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I disagree with you. What false God are you talking about?

If anything Mayte was too young. The both of us can say even less about her than about Prince. But my impression of her personality is very different than yours. The two were together for possibly the longest that Prince has ever been with a woman. They married and had a child, but the child died. Nobody knows what happened between them after that and it isn't relevant either, but I am sure you know that giving birth made her a mother and him a father. But so short lived. We cannot expect a woman like her to have dealt with that easily nor a man like him. Not anybody in fact.

I think it's not fair to focus on what you perceived from merely a few pictures and interviews. You don't go by the music, or the lyrics. You base your perception on stuff that you shouldn't and you color it by your own beliefs on what the true and what the false God is. Prince never lost his Christian core beliefs you know. Listen to The Holy River on Emancipation for example and then tell me that was "forced", or a "fantasy". I would tell you that you aren't truly listening. That your heart is not open to it.

Prince has been challenged greatly. However he never did foresake God nor did he truly change his core beliefs. In fact he kept them and became an even bigger believer.

Mayte was not too young. She was a married adult. Please spare me the excuses.

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Let me lay it out straight for you:

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ALL OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH TRIALS & TRIBULATIONS! ! ! ! ! BIG ONES! ! ! ! ! We can all sit around picking our scabs or we can choose to get our crap in one bag, rise and press forward.

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If you want to believe that all was hunky dory between them, blissful love, angels singing, harps and heavenly music while reminicising about their past reincarnated lives in Egypt, then so be it. You're certainly entitled.

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You asked my opinion on these things and I gave it to you straight.

http://www.first-names-me...MAYTE.html

enough with that about Mayte and the 90's.

How about the 00's??

How about Prince taking back his name in 2000 and releasing his first album as such, independetly, in 2001 entitled The Rainbow Children?

This album, full of great music and performances, is one of his most 'controversial' for its lyrics. The lyrics on the one hand, seem to be greatly inspired by the faith of Jehovah Witnesses (religion), and on the other by certain ideas on race relations of certain African American political authors and commentators.

Yet, who is there also? The Pharoah.

And what is really the gist of the whole album? That we need to come together as "One".

I can assure you that if Prince would have still been under contract with Warner Chappel music for his publishing rights (music and lyrics) they would not have approved of this album.

Fact is also that Prince was already doing Bible studies with Larry Graham since 97/98.

Tremolina said:

I can assure you that if Prince would have still been under contract with Warner Chappel music for his publishing rights (music and lyrics) they would not have approved of this album.

Fact is also that Prince was already doing Bible studies with Larry Graham since 97/98.

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OK. Prince can do whatever he likes with his business (Warner or no Warner). His deal. I have no comment in that regard.

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I'm happy that Prince began doing some Bible study. I just wish that he'd expand his horizons beyond Larry Graham. Larry Graham is NOT the be all and end all. I could say more but I won't.

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Regarding Bible study, I've been doing Bible study since I was a small child so I can relate to a hunger for the Word. I loved the Bible even when I was very, very small and would ride my bike up to the local Bible store for hours reading and admiring all the beautiful books and Bible studies. I used to save up my allowance money to be able to purchase studies that I could take home and do in the privacy of my bedroom. I lived in an extremely chaotic and dysfunctional home and got absolutely no spiritual guidance from anyone. My home was spiritually very, very dark. So, it was me and the Lord. I so appreciate His grace and power working in my life from a wee tot. He's my everything.

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I'll be back later regarding your other post.

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Peace.

What is this new exaltation
That I just cant explain?
What are these new inspirations
That I cant get out my brain?

How am I gonna sleep with this feeling
Rushing all through my veins?
Get up, come on lets do something
Dont you wanna go get saved?

The night is calling you to act
Act upon every urge
You cant get no satisfaction
If you aint got the courage

I dont know what youre afraid of
I dont know what youve heard
Get up, come on lets do something
Dont you wanna know the word?

Whos gonna save us when them spiders get next to you?
Spinning their sticky webs around what you do
We gotta safeguard against forked tongue
And the treachery of the wicked one
Get up, come on lets do something

Dont matter how far you have to
The truth has got to be told
Dont matter how shiny your lips
Theyll never be streets of gold

They might try to get us crazy
'Cuz they dont know what Ive heard
We got this new exaltation
Im talking about the word

Whos gonna save us when them spiders get next to you?
Spinning their sticky webs around what you do
We gotta safeguard against forked tongue
And the treachery of the wicked one
Get up, come on lets do something

Get up, come on lets do something
No reason to feel this pain
Get up, come on lets do something
Come on, go, lets get saved

Get up, come on lets do something
No reason to feel this pain
Get up, come on lets do something
Come on, go, lets get saved

Get up, come on lets do something
Get up, come on lets do something
Get up, come on lets do something
Get up, come on lets do something
Dont you wanna hear the word?

That's from 2006.

The Word on the 3121 album.

Prince can do whatever he likes with his business (Warner or no Warner). His deal. I have no comment in that regard.

Of course he can do whatever he likes, he is FREE!

But the point is this: what was the 1st thing Prince did as soon as he gained total freedom (not just from his WARner record deal, also from his publishing deal)?

He released a controversial religious and political album that wouldn't stand a chance at any airplay and in fact never got any airplay, and thus no company but Redline entertainment would dare to take financial risks with. TRC is one of his worst selling albums.

Despite the terrific music and musicianship on it.

In my perhabs not so humble opinion, that says a LOT about who Prince really is. What his character and personality are really like.

Tremolina said:

In my perhabs not so humble opinion, that says a LOT about who Prince really is. What his character and personality are really like.

Does you think he aspired to fulfill what his name means?

^ are you done letting this thread simmer?

I would gladly tell you what I think, but 1st what do you think yourself miss D?

Tremolina said:

^ are you done letting this thread simmer?

I would gladly tell you what I think, but 1st what do you think yourself miss D?

No I am not done.

And yes, I believe he apsired to live up to his regal moniker.

Tempest said:

I'm happy that Prince began doing some Bible study. I just wish that he'd expand his horizons beyond Larry Graham. Larry Graham is NOT the be all and end all. I could say more but I won't.

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As far as I am aware of Prince and Larry are still very good friends, but they don't do their studies together anymore.

And as far as Prince 'began doing some Bible study', I think he begain before larry already. There are so many biblical references in his music T. On the 1992 album it's littered with them. But it's also on the 1991 Diamonds and Pearls, the 1990 Graffiti Bridge, 1988 Lovesexy, 1987 Sign of the Times, 1986 Parade, 1985 Around the world in a day, 1984 Purple Rain, 1982 1999 and 1981 Controversy.

Of course, the sort of Bible study that Prince may or may not have done in the 80's and early 90's could probably not be compared to the sort of Bible study you refer to. Nevertheless, the Bible has nearly always played an important part in Prince's music.

Stymie said:

Tremolina said:

^ are you done letting this thread simmer?

I would gladly tell you what I think, but 1st what do you think yourself miss D?

No I am not done.

And yes, I believe he apsired to live up to his regal moniker.

Why do you think so and why do you say he aspired, in the past tense, does that mean you believe he doesn't aspire to do so anymore?

Tremolina said:

Stymie said:

No I am not done.

And yes, I believe he apsired to live up to his regal moniker.

Why do you think so and why do you say he aspired, in the past tense, does that mean you believe he doesn't aspire to do so anymore?

In one of the examples you cited: "my name is Prince but I don't wanna be king". It makes me think he was buying into his princely name but wasn't anymore.

And again in The Everlasting Now he states:

That's when he took his pearly crown
He raised it up and spun it 'round
And tossed in2 the deep blue underground

He acknowledges something, someone perhaps, greater than himself. It made me think he was no longer buying into his own hype.

There are touches here and there were he is still caught bragging but nothing like in the past. I think he now accepts he is second to a "king".

Stymie said:

Tremolina said:

Why do you think so and why do you say he aspired, in the past tense, does that mean you believe he doesn't aspire to do so anymore?

In one of the examples you cited: "my name is Prince but I don't wanna be king". It makes me think he was buying into his princely name but wasn't anymore.

And again in The Everlasting Now he states:

That's when he took his pearly crown
He raised it up and spun it 'round
And tossed in2 the deep blue underground

He acknowledges something, someone perhaps, greater than himself. It made me think he was no longer buying into his own hype.

There are touches here and there were he is still caught bragging but nothing like in the past. I think he now accepts he is second to a "king".

I can very much go along with that thought.

Hold on to it.