OK,

So, one of the reasons why I used to obsess over Prince in the late 80s and 90s was the fact that there were so many bootlegs floating out there of songs that he recorded in the studio. Songs like There's Others Here with Us, all the Camille songs, and albums like The Black Album (back when it was just a bootleg) were a source of pride and intrigue for me. I mean, what other big name musician at that time had so many floating around. It impressed a lot of my non-Prince fans.


However, it seems these days that the boots are not coming in like they used to. Sure, there are leaks, but those are official reveals from the Prince camp.


What exactly happened you reckon?

imago said:

OK,

So, one of the reasons why I used to obsess over Prince in the late 80s and 90s was the fact that there were so many bootlegs floating out there of songs that he recorded in the studio. Songs like There's Others Here with Us, all the Camille songs, and albums like The Black Album (back when it was just a bootleg) were a source of pride and intrigue for me. I mean, what other big name musician at that time had so many floating around. It impressed a lot of my non-Prince fans.


However, it seems these days that the boots are not coming in like they used to. Sure, there are leaks, but those are official reveals from the Prince camp.


What exactly happened you reckon?

The studio boots dried up when he left Warners Brothers. Therefore, either people associated with Warners were responsible for the studio boots, or Prince completely changed his internal security measures when he left WB.

Either way, it seems to prove to me that it was never Prince himself releasing the boots, as many people postulated through the years.

RodeoSchro said:

Eye are still making a good job. The Blast From The Past 2.0 set was great.

I can say with some certainty that some of the leaks came from band members in the late 80s, early 90s. I don't really think Warner Brothers would have had the unfinished product to leak it. When Prince would stroll into Glam Slam with some new music he wanted the DJ to play, a bodyguard would hand it to the DJ and get it back when he was done playing it. It seemed he didn't want it to get out. I do remember getting Rosie's first CD, unreleased songs and all, from a NPG band member.

RodeoSchro said:

imago said:

OK,

So, one of the reasons why I used to obsess over Prince in the late 80s and 90s was the fact that there were so many bootlegs floating out there of songs that he recorded in the studio. Songs like There's Others Here with Us, all the Camille songs, and albums like The Black Album (back when it was just a bootleg) were a source of pride and intrigue for me. I mean, what other big name musician at that time had so many floating around. It impressed a lot of my non-Prince fans.


However, it seems these days that the boots are not coming in like they used to. Sure, there are leaks, but those are official reveals from the Prince camp.


What exactly happened you reckon?

The studio boots dried up when he left Warners Brothers. Therefore, either people associated with Warners were responsible for the studio boots, or Prince completely changed his internal security measures when he left WB.

Either way, it seems to prove to me that it was never Prince himself releasing the boots, as many people postulated through the years.

That's not quite true: The last big batch of outtakes we got were from the Emancipation sessions, so I'm not sure you can pin the leaks on WB.

imago said:

OK,

So, one of the reasons why I used to obsess over Prince in the late 80s and 90s was the fact that there were so many bootlegs floating out there of songs that he recorded in the studio. Songs like There's Others Here with Us, all the Camille songs, and albums like The Black Album (back when it was just a bootleg) were a source of pride and intrigue for me. I mean, what other big name musician at that time had so many floating around. It impressed a lot of my non-Prince fans.


However, it seems these days that the boots are not coming in like they used to. Sure, there are leaks, but those are official reveals from the Prince camp.


What exactly happened you reckon?

Springsteen and Dylan both have just as many unreleased songs in circulation, if not more.

TwiliteKid said:

imago said:

OK,

So, one of the reasons why I used to obsess over Prince in the late 80s and 90s was the fact that there were so many bootlegs floating out there of songs that he recorded in the studio. Songs like There's Others Here with Us, all the Camille songs, and albums like The Black Album (back when it was just a bootleg) were a source of pride and intrigue for me. I mean, what other big name musician at that time had so many floating around. It impressed a lot of my non-Prince fans.


However, it seems these days that the boots are not coming in like they used to. Sure, there are leaks, but those are official reveals from the Prince camp.


What exactly happened you reckon?

Springsteen and Dylan both have just as many unreleased songs in circulation, if not more.

Springsteen has released most of his unreleased tracks, through the "Tracks" and "Tracks Vol 2" sets, as well as the re-release of "Darkness on the Edge of Town", which had an entire CD of outtakes.

People get down on Prince for not releasing outtakes, but they always seem to forget about "Crystal Ball". Sure, that was only a small part of his unreleased catalogue, but still - it was an impressive release.

RodeoSchro said:

TwiliteKid said:

Springsteen and Dylan both have just as many unreleased songs in circulation, if not more.

Springsteen has released most of his unreleased tracks, through the "Tracks" and "Tracks Vol 2" sets, as well as the re-release of "Darkness on the Edge of Town", which had an entire CD of outtakes.

People get down on Prince for not releasing outtakes, but they always seem to forget about "Crystal Ball". Sure, that was only a small part of his unreleased catalogue, but still - it was an impressive release.

Tracks 2 doesn't exist (yet, though it has been rumoured for years). And no, he hasn't released anywhere near all of his outtakes. Looking at my iTunes library right now, I've got close to 200 other tracks that Bruce hasn't put out. Granted some of those are demos/early takes, but even that represents a small fraction of what's out there.

Don't get me wrong though: I'm not trying to shit on Prince here (and I dig Crystal Ball too), I was just answering the question I highlighted.

RodeoSchro said:

imago said:

OK,

So, one of the reasons why I used to obsess over Prince in the late 80s and 90s was the fact that there were so many bootlegs floating out there of songs that he recorded in the studio. Songs like There's Others Here with Us, all the Camille songs, and albums like The Black Album (back when it was just a bootleg) were a source of pride and intrigue for me. I mean, what other big name musician at that time had so many floating around. It impressed a lot of my non-Prince fans.


However, it seems these days that the boots are not coming in like they used to. Sure, there are leaks, but those are official reveals from the Prince camp.


What exactly happened you reckon?

The studio boots dried up when he left Warners Brothers. Therefore, either people associated with Warners were responsible for the studio boots, or Prince completely changed his internal security measures when he left WB.

Either way, it seems to prove to me that it was never Prince himself releasing the boots, as many people postulated through the years.

Stronger security measures and no more in-house WB tapes indeed + the fact that P stopped writing songs for others (and therefore didn't send demo tapes all over the music industry anymore) and also Prince totally stopped giving tapes to friends, musicians and girlfriends. According to Alan Leeds, it seems that most of the leaks came from these tapes Prince used to distribute all around him.

Javi said:

Eye are still making a good job. The Blast From The Past 2.0 set was great.

track list?

luvsexy4all said:

Javi said:

Eye are still making a good job. The Blast From The Past 2.0 set was great.

track list?

Only tracks up to the mid 90's, but a great set:

Disc One (89:09)
Instrumental sessions recorded in the rehearsal room at Owen Husney's Loring Park office in Minneapolis 55:50 (1977):
1 instrumental #1 5:14
2 instrumental #2 6:22
3 instrumental #3 6:14
4 instrumental #4 8:28
5 instrumental #5 6:55
6 instrumental #6 8:12
7 instrumental #7 7:43
8 instrumental #8 6:36

9 Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? 5:00 (1978)
10 Do Yourself A Favor 8:39 (1982)
11 Turn It Up 5:14 (1982)
12 No Call U 3:02 (1982)
13 Extraloveable 7:40 (1982)
14 Baby, You're A Trip 3:46 (1982)

Disc Two (90:52)
1 Lust U Always (full Prince vocal version) 5:12 (1982)
2 Purple Music 10:50 (1982)
3 Chocolate 5:52 (1983)
4 Possessed 8:45 (1983)
5 G-Spot 4:58 (1983)
6 Darling Nikki (extended version) 3:58 (1983)
7 Computer Blue (full version) 14:03 (1983)
8 Take Me With U (extended version) 4:50 (1984)
9 Our Destiny (Lisa Coleman vocals) 3:00 (1984)
10 Manic Monday 2:50 (1985)
11 The Dance Electric (extended version) by André Cymone (feat. Prince) 11:48 (1985)
12 Old Friends 4 Sale (original version) 3:34 (1985)
13 Go 4:47 (1985)
14 Can I Play With U? (long version) 6:28 (1985)

Disc Three (89:15)
Prince and the Revolution Parade demos 42:58 (1985):
1 Wendy's Parade 2:11
2 New Position 2:20
3 I Wonder U 1:36
4 Under The Cherry Moon 2:57
5 Others Here With Us 2:43
6 Life Can Be So Nice 3:14
7 Sometimes It Snows In April 6:52
8 All My Dreams 7:20
9 Girls & Boys 5:36
10 ? Or $ 4:10

11 Baby Go-Go 4:40 (1986)
12 Data Bank 7:56 (1986)
13 U 4:14 (1987)
14 The Line #2 (later version) 8:51 (1987)
15 4 Lust 3:26 (1987)
16 The Max 4:57 (1988)
17 Fuchsia Light 6:36 (1988)
18 Bliss 4:06 (1989)
19 American In Paris 5:25 (1989)

Disc Four (89:12)
1 Vicki Waiting (long version) 7:14 (1989)
2 Dance With The Devil 7:55 (1989)
3 Uh-Huh! 6:17 (1991)

Glam Slam Wallpaper 56:15 (1994):
4 Poem 3:37
5 Interactive 3:23
6 Come 4:22
7 Endorphinmachine 3:53
8 Space 4:30
9 Race 6:14
10 Funky Design 3:44
11 Mad 5:30
12 Chaos And Disorder 4:12
13 Right The Wrong 4:40
14 Strays Of The World 5:09
15 Gold 6:35

16 Stone 3:02 (1995)
17 Do U Wanna Get Funky? (Xcerpt) 1:34 (1999)
18 Purple House 3:39 (2004)
19 A Case Of U 3:39 (2007)

Javi said:

luvsexy4all said:

track list?

Only tracks up to the mid 90's, but a great set:

Disc One (89:09)
Instrumental sessions recorded in the rehearsal room at Owen Husney's Loring Park office in Minneapolis 55:50 (1977):
1 instrumental #1 5:14
2 instrumental #2 6:22
3 instrumental #3 6:14
4 instrumental #4 8:28
5 instrumental #5 6:55
6 instrumental #6 8:12
7 instrumental #7 7:43
8 instrumental #8 6:36

9 Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? 5:00 (1978)
10 Do Yourself A Favor 8:39 (1982)
11 Turn It Up 5:14 (1982)
12 No Call U 3:02 (1982)
13 Extraloveable 7:40 (1982)
14 Baby, You're A Trip 3:46 (1982)

Disc Two (90:52)
1 Lust U Always (full Prince vocal version) 5:12 (1982)
2 Purple Music 10:50 (1982)
3 Chocolate 5:52 (1983)
4 Possessed 8:45 (1983)
5 G-Spot 4:58 (1983)
6 Darling Nikki (extended version) 3:58 (1983)
7 Computer Blue (full version) 14:03 (1983)
8 Take Me With U (extended version) 4:50 (1984)
9 Our Destiny (Lisa Coleman vocals) 3:00 (1984)
10 Manic Monday 2:50 (1985)
11 The Dance Electric (extended version) by André Cymone (feat. Prince) 11:48 (1985)
12 Old Friends 4 Sale (original version) 3:34 (1985)
13 Go 4:47 (1985)
14 Can I Play With U? (long version) 6:28 (1985)

Disc Three (89:15)
Prince and the Revolution Parade demos 42:58 (1985):
1 Wendy's Parade 2:11
2 New Position 2:20
3 I Wonder U 1:36
4 Under The Cherry Moon 2:57
5 Others Here With Us 2:43
6 Life Can Be So Nice 3:14
7 Sometimes It Snows In April 6:52
8 All My Dreams 7:20
9 Girls & Boys 5:36
10 ? Or $ 4:10

11 Baby Go-Go 4:40 (1986)
12 Data Bank 7:56 (1986)
13 U 4:14 (1987)
14 The Line #2 (later version) 8:51 (1987)
15 4 Lust 3:26 (1987)
16 The Max 4:57 (1988)
17 Fuchsia Light 6:36 (1988)
18 Bliss 4:06 (1989)
19 American In Paris 5:25 (1989)

Disc Four (89:12)
1 Vicki Waiting (long version) 7:14 (1989)
2 Dance With The Devil 7:55 (1989)
3 Uh-Huh! 6:17 (1991)

Glam Slam Wallpaper 56:15 (1994):
4 Poem 3:37
5 Interactive 3:23
6 Come 4:22
7 Endorphinmachine 3:53
8 Space 4:30
9 Race 6:14
10 Funky Design 3:44
11 Mad 5:30
12 Chaos And Disorder 4:12
13 Right The Wrong 4:40
14 Strays Of The World 5:09
15 Gold 6:35

16 Stone 3:02 (1995)
17 Do U Wanna Get Funky? (Xcerpt) 1:34 (1999)
18 Purple House 3:39 (2004)
19 A Case Of U 3:39 (2007)

Which was all released free via free boot labels... Then Eye downloaded it (just the same as everyone else could have done), burnt it to disc (Just like anyone else could have done) and sold it for top $$$

Don't pay for bootlegs, especially those that were released for free

[Edited 7/28/13 3:12am]

Javi said:

luvsexy4all said:

track list?

Only tracks up to the mid 90's, but a great set:

Disc One (89:09)
Instrumental sessions recorded in the rehearsal room at Owen Husney's Loring Park office in Minneapolis 55:50 (1977):
1 instrumental #1 5:14
2 instrumental #2 6:22
3 instrumental #3 6:14
4 instrumental #4 8:28
5 instrumental #5 6:55
6 instrumental #6 8:12
7 instrumental #7 7:43
8 instrumental #8 6:36

9 Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? 5:00 (1978)
10 Do Yourself A Favor 8:39 (1982)
11 Turn It Up 5:14 (1982)
12 No Call U 3:02 (1982)
13 Extraloveable 7:40 (1982)
14 Baby, You're A Trip 3:46 (1982)

Disc Two (90:52)
1 Lust U Always (full Prince vocal version) 5:12 (1982)
2 Purple Music 10:50 (1982)
3 Chocolate 5:52 (1983)
4 Possessed 8:45 (1983)
5 G-Spot 4:58 (1983)
6 Darling Nikki (extended version) 3:58 (1983)
7 Computer Blue (full version) 14:03 (1983)
8 Take Me With U (extended version) 4:50 (1984)
9 Our Destiny (Lisa Coleman vocals) 3:00 (1984)
10 Manic Monday 2:50 (1985)
11 The Dance Electric (extended version) by André Cymone (feat. Prince) 11:48 (1985)
12 Old Friends 4 Sale (original version) 3:34 (1985)
13 Go 4:47 (1985)
14 Can I Play With U? (long version) 6:28 (1985)

Disc Three (89:15)
Prince and the Revolution Parade demos 42:58 (1985):
1 Wendy's Parade 2:11
2 New Position 2:20
3 I Wonder U 1:36
4 Under The Cherry Moon 2:57
5 Others Here With Us 2:43
6 Life Can Be So Nice 3:14
7 Sometimes It Snows In April 6:52
8 All My Dreams 7:20
9 Girls & Boys 5:36
10 ? Or $ 4:10

11 Baby Go-Go 4:40 (1986)
12 Data Bank 7:56 (1986)
13 U 4:14 (1987)
14 The Line #2 (later version) 8:51 (1987)
15 4 Lust 3:26 (1987)
16 The Max 4:57 (1988)
17 Fuchsia Light 6:36 (1988)
18 Bliss 4:06 (1989)
19 American In Paris 5:25 (1989)

Disc Four (89:12)
1 Vicki Waiting (long version) 7:14 (1989)
2 Dance With The Devil 7:55 (1989)
3 Uh-Huh! 6:17 (1991)

Glam Slam Wallpaper 56:15 (1994):
4 Poem 3:37
5 Interactive 3:23
6 Come 4:22
7 Endorphinmachine 3:53
8 Space 4:30
9 Race 6:14
10 Funky Design 3:44
11 Mad 5:30
12 Chaos And Disorder 4:12
13 Right The Wrong 4:40
14 Strays Of The World 5:09
15 Gold 6:35

16 Stone 3:02 (1995)
17 Do U Wanna Get Funky? (Xcerpt) 1:34 (1999)
18 Purple House 3:39 (2004)
19 A Case Of U 3:39 (2007)

Anything new here in terms of quality?

what are you talking about? every album since the Gold Experience has been a collection of studio out takes and songs not worthy of being on an official prince album .. jeesh .. crawl out from under your rock .. now if prince would just release a non outtake collection that would be somethin

OK, I knew the discussion about paying for bootlegs would emerge... I've had it before here in the .org, so I wouldn't wish to go on with it.

Regarding quality, for those who collect every Prince boot, I guess there was nothing new; for me, there were several things, especially the tracks between 1987-1989.

[Edited 7/28/13 12:58pm]

Javi said:

RodeoSchro said:

People get down on Prince for not releasing outtakes, but they always seem to forget about "Crystal Ball". Sure, that was only a small part of his unreleased catalogue, but still - it was an impressive release.

CB was a massive pile of shite. A bunch of pointless remixes, an edit of a released track, an endless jam,... Three CDs that were barely 40 minutes each. ZERO context, liner notes with ridiculous errors, tracks from a few era instead of a balanced overview. It was a ridiculous pretend-bootleg while bootleggers themselves had already moved on to era-centric boots, e.g. all PR-era live recordings etc.

BartVanHemelen said:

Javi said:

luvsexy4all said:

track list?

Only tracks up to the mid 90's, but a great set:

Disc One (89:09)
Instrumental sessions recorded in the rehearsal room at Owen Husney's Loring Park office in Minneapolis 55:50 (1977):
1 instrumental #1 5:14
2 instrumental #2 6:22
3 instrumental #3 6:14
4 instrumental #4 8:28
5 instrumental #5 6:55
6 instrumental #6 8:12
7 instrumental #7 7:43
8 instrumental #8 6:36

9 Wouldn’t You Love to Love Me? 5:00 (1978)
10 Do Yourself A Favor 8:39 (1982)
11 Turn It Up 5:14 (1982)
12 No Call U 3:02 (1982)
13 Extraloveable 7:40 (1982)
14 Baby, You're A Trip 3:46 (1982)

Disc Two (90:52)
1 Lust U Always (full Prince vocal version) 5:12 (1982)
2 Purple Music 10:50 (1982)
3 Chocolate 5:52 (1983)
4 Possessed 8:45 (1983)
5 G-Spot 4:58 (1983)
6 Darling Nikki (extended version) 3:58 (1983)
7 Computer Blue (full version) 14:03 (1983)
8 Take Me With U (extended version) 4:50 (1984)
9 Our Destiny (Lisa Coleman vocals) 3:00 (1984)
10 Manic Monday 2:50 (1985)
11 The Dance Electric (extended version) by André Cymone (feat. Prince) 11:48 (1985)
12 Old Friends 4 Sale (original version) 3:34 (1985)
13 Go 4:47 (1985)
14 Can I Play With U? (long version) 6:28 (1985)

Disc Three (89:15)
Prince and the Revolution Parade demos 42:58 (1985):
1 Wendy's Parade 2:11
2 New Position 2:20
3 I Wonder U 1:36
4 Under The Cherry Moon 2:57
5 Others Here With Us 2:43
6 Life Can Be So Nice 3:14
7 Sometimes It Snows In April 6:52
8 All My Dreams 7:20
9 Girls & Boys 5:36
10 ? Or $ 4:10

11 Baby Go-Go 4:40 (1986)
12 Data Bank 7:56 (1986)
13 U 4:14 (1987)
14 The Line #2 (later version) 8:51 (1987)
15 4 Lust 3:26 (1987)
16 The Max 4:57 (1988)
17 Fuchsia Light 6:36 (1988)
18 Bliss 4:06 (1989)
19 American In Paris 5:25 (1989)

Disc Four (89:12)
1 Vicki Waiting (long version) 7:14 (1989)
2 Dance With The Devil 7:55 (1989)
3 Uh-Huh! 6:17 (1991)

Glam Slam Wallpaper 56:15 (1994):
4 Poem 3:37
5 Interactive 3:23
6 Come 4:22
7 Endorphinmachine 3:53
8 Space 4:30
9 Race 6:14
10 Funky Design 3:44
11 Mad 5:30
12 Chaos And Disorder 4:12
13 Right The Wrong 4:40
14 Strays Of The World 5:09
15 Gold 6:35

16 Stone 3:02 (1995)
17 Do U Wanna Get Funky? (Xcerpt) 1:34 (1999)
18 Purple House 3:39 (2004)
19 A Case Of U 3:39 (2007)

cool...i assume all exc quality?