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Reply #60 posted 03/14/03 10:28am

Anji

gypsyfire said:

Anji said:

Which is funkier? My vote goes to Controversy. mr.green


Still haven't heard Dirty Mind,but I'm listening to Controversy right now,and I'm going to HAVE to say 1999 DEFINITELY!!!
In that case, your vote cannot be deemed vaild. mr.green
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Reply #61 posted 03/14/03 10:30am

Handclapsfinga
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Anji said:

gypsyfire said:

Anji said:

Which is funkier? My vote goes to Controversy. mr.green


Still haven't heard Dirty Mind,but I'm listening to Controversy right now,and I'm going to HAVE to say 1999 DEFINITELY!!!
In that case, your vote cannot be deemed vaild. mr.green

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Reply #62 posted 03/14/03 11:07am

CalhounSq

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Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 9 votes
Controversy: 10 votes
1999: 8 votes

woot!


This is some crazy shit right here...
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Reply #63 posted 03/14/03 11:25am

Anji

CalhounSq said:

Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 9 votes
Controversy: 10 votes
1999: 8 votes

woot!


This is some crazy shit right here...

It's working! evillol
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Reply #64 posted 03/14/03 2:10pm

youngca

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Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 8 votes
Controversy: 8 votes
1999: 8 votes


I am very surprised with this result. I was certain 1999 would have swept the board.


ANJI...your question is a tougher on than you'd think.

all 3 albums have different feels to them.
dirty mind is quirky-new wavy.rock with funk guitar in da
mix...
controversy is about the same...let's work is FUNK to da
max...
and 1999 is a cleaner production DMSR AND ALL DA CRITICS
love U is funk.

so what's my pick? dirty mind barely!!!
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Reply #65 posted 03/14/03 2:39pm

Anji

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

:MRGREEN:
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Reply #66 posted 03/14/03 2:41pm

Moonbeam

Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

:MRGREEN:


This is truly amazing to me.

Come on people...1999? Let's Pretend We're Married? DMSR? Automatic? Lady Cab Driver? All the Critics Love U in New York?

Hands down, "1999" is the funkiest.

"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" have funky tracks, but "1999" takes the cake!
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Reply #67 posted 03/14/03 2:47pm

Anji

Moonbeam said:

Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

:MRGREEN:


This is truly amazing to me.

Come on people...1999? Let's Pretend We're Married? DMSR? Automatic? Lady Cab Driver? All the Critics Love U in New York?

Hands down, "1999" is the funkiest.

"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" have funky tracks, but "1999" takes the cake!
Moonie, I said this on another thread...

1999 is a better album than both Dirty Mind and Controversy on so many levels but I still think Controversy is a funkier experience. There is something altogether more biting and impactful in Controversy's swagger than 1999's meandering grooves. I like all of them but for entirely different reasons.
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Reply #68 posted 03/14/03 2:51pm

Anji

In response to this,

Giotto said


Granted, there are too many "excursions" on the '1999' double album for it to be as tight or as compact sounding as 'Controversy'. However, '1999' is the album that best showcases Prince's mastery of the groove much more effectively than 'Controversy'.During early 1981 he had yet to mutate into the funky animal he evolved into during subsequent recording sessions later that year. Those sessions were feverish workouts that at times lasted for over 48 hours non-stop without food or water and the man was well...possessed.

If you think I'm kidding just get an earful of 'Lady Cab Driver/All The Critics Love U In New York' at eardrum-splitting volume ( and to hell with your posh neighbours)

For further enjoyment and appreciation of this period, the following unreleased demos and alternate versions are essential listening as well. I dare you to play them at full blast too:

'Feel U Up/Irresistible Bitch'
'Turn It Up'
'Do Yourself A Favor'
'Moonbeam Levels'
'Extra Loveable'
'D.M.S.R.' (demo version)
'Something In The Water (Does Not Compute)' (demo version)
'Delirious' (the unedited version) (7:07)
'Baby, You're A Trip'
'Purple Music'
'Cloreen Bacon Skin'

Even now it's amazing to think that the above were just leftovers from the '1999' album. They definitely kick the leftovers from the 'Controversy' era into a cocked hat.
BUT AS THE ALBUMS STAND, CONTROVERSY IS FUNKIER THAN 1999! woot!
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Reply #69 posted 03/14/03 2:53pm

Moonbeam

Anji said:

Moonbeam said:

Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

:MRGREEN:


This is truly amazing to me.

Come on people...1999? Let's Pretend We're Married? DMSR? Automatic? Lady Cab Driver? All the Critics Love U in New York?

Hands down, "1999" is the funkiest.

"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" have funky tracks, but "1999" takes the cake!
Moonie, I said this on another thread...

1999 is a better album than both Dirty Mind and Controversy on so many levels but I still think Controversy is a funkier experience. There is something altogether more biting and impactful in Controversy's swagger than 1999's meandering grooves. I like all of them but for entirely different reasons.



"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" are great fun, but to me, they sound like child's play in comparison to "1999." With "1999" Prince opens the gamut to a whole new array of funk styles. All the songs I mentioned garner a different feel of funk. "1999" really is Prince's funk Bible.

"Controversy" certainly has some funky tracks, but "Sexuality" seems like the poor step-cousin to "Controversy." "Do Me, Baby," "Ronnie Talk to Russia," "Annie Christian" and "Jack U Off" aren't funky at all. That leaves what I believe to be three eighths of the album as genuinely original funk. When it delivers though, "Controversy" serves up the funk quite nicely.

"Dirty Mind" is funky as well, but it seems one-dimensionally funky. Whereas "Controversy" and "1999" is funk with a message, only "Partyup" and "Uptown" really add something to the table other than a groove. "Head," "Do It All Night" and the title track are all fun, funky numbers, though.

I'd say Prince was getting increasingly funky with time- "Dirty Mind" was superceded by "Controversy," which was superceded by the funk odyssey that is "1999."
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Reply #70 posted 03/14/03 3:06pm

Anji

Moonbeam said:

Anji said:

Moonbeam said:

Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

:MRGREEN:


This is truly amazing to me.

Come on people...1999? Let's Pretend We're Married? DMSR? Automatic? Lady Cab Driver? All the Critics Love U in New York?

Hands down, "1999" is the funkiest.

"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" have funky tracks, but "1999" takes the cake!
Moonie, I said this on another thread...

1999 is a better album than both Dirty Mind and Controversy on so many levels but I still think Controversy is a funkier experience. There is something altogether more biting and impactful in Controversy's swagger than 1999's meandering grooves. I like all of them but for entirely different reasons.



"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" are great fun, but to me, they sound like child's play in comparison to "1999." With "1999" Prince opens the gamut to a whole new array of funk styles. All the songs I mentioned garner a different feel of funk. "1999" really is Prince's funk Bible.

"Controversy" certainly has some funky tracks, but "Sexuality" seems like the poor step-cousin to "Controversy." "Do Me, Baby," "Ronnie Talk to Russia," "Annie Christian" and "Jack U Off" aren't funky at all. That leaves what I believe to be three eighths of the album as genuinely original funk. When it delivers though, "Controversy" serves up the funk quite nicely.

"Dirty Mind" is funky as well, but it seems one-dimensionally funky. Whereas "Controversy" and "1999" is funk with a message, only "Partyup" and "Uptown" really add something to the table other than a groove. "Head," "Do It All Night" and the title track are all fun, funky numbers, though.

I'd say Prince was getting increasingly funky with time- "Dirty Mind" was superceded by "Controversy," which was superceded by the funk odyssey that is "1999."
Fair assessment but if you can't feel the funk of Annie Christian, Sexuality and Do Me, Baby, I really can't help you.

lol
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Reply #71 posted 03/14/03 3:10pm

Moonbeam

Anji said:

Moonbeam said:

Anji said:

Moonbeam said:

Anji said:

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

:MRGREEN:


This is truly amazing to me.

Come on people...1999? Let's Pretend We're Married? DMSR? Automatic? Lady Cab Driver? All the Critics Love U in New York?

Hands down, "1999" is the funkiest.

"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" have funky tracks, but "1999" takes the cake!
Moonie, I said this on another thread...

1999 is a better album than both Dirty Mind and Controversy on so many levels but I still think Controversy is a funkier experience. There is something altogether more biting and impactful in Controversy's swagger than 1999's meandering grooves. I like all of them but for entirely different reasons.



"Dirty Mind" and "Controversy" are great fun, but to me, they sound like child's play in comparison to "1999." With "1999" Prince opens the gamut to a whole new array of funk styles. All the songs I mentioned garner a different feel of funk. "1999" really is Prince's funk Bible.

"Controversy" certainly has some funky tracks, but "Sexuality" seems like the poor step-cousin to "Controversy." "Do Me, Baby," "Ronnie Talk to Russia," "Annie Christian" and "Jack U Off" aren't funky at all. That leaves what I believe to be three eighths of the album as genuinely original funk. When it delivers though, "Controversy" serves up the funk quite nicely.

"Dirty Mind" is funky as well, but it seems one-dimensionally funky. Whereas "Controversy" and "1999" is funk with a message, only "Partyup" and "Uptown" really add something to the table other than a groove. "Head," "Do It All Night" and the title track are all fun, funky numbers, though.

I'd say Prince was getting increasingly funky with time- "Dirty Mind" was superceded by "Controversy," which was superceded by the funk odyssey that is "1999."
Fair assessment but if you can't feel the funk of Annie Christian, Sexuality and Do Me, Baby, I really can't help you.

lol


"Sexuality" is funky- it just doesn't sound original. "Annie Christian" and "Do Me, Baby" have funk elements, but I wouldn't call them funk songs. "Annie Christian" is a psychotic rock/funk/trippy story and "Do Me, Baby" is more of a passionate, silky smooth bed-burner that just happens to have a little slap bass. biggrin

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE "Controversy," but Prince tore it up like no other on "1999."
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Reply #72 posted 03/14/03 3:19pm

Anji

Moonie, let's just remind ourselves of the results so far. Which album is funkier?

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

I'm not disputing that 1999 is a better record. Perhaps, the essence of 1999's funk get's lost in the long jams. Interestingly, Rd also voted for Controversy being the funkiest album.

mr.green
[This message was edited Fri Mar 14 15:20:52 PST 2003 by Anji]
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Reply #73 posted 03/14/03 3:21pm

Moonbeam

Anji said:

Moonie, let's just remind ourselves of the results so far. Which album is funkier?

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

I'm not disputing that 1999 is a better record. Perhaps, the essence of 1999's funk get's lost in the long jams. Interestingly, Rd also voted for Controversy being the funkiest album.

mr.green
[This message was edited Fri Mar 14 15:20:52 PST 2003 by Anji]


I won't deny that ALL THREE ALBUMS are funky- DAMN funky. "1999" just is 100 times more complex than the other two.
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Reply #74 posted 03/14/03 3:36pm

Anji

Moonbeam said:

Anji said:

Moonie, let's just remind ourselves of the results so far. Which album is funkier?

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 10 votes

1999: 8 votes

I'm not disputing that 1999 is a better record. Perhaps, the essence of 1999's funk get's lost in the long jams. Interestingly, Rd also voted for Controversy being the funkiest album.

mr.green
[This message was edited Fri Mar 14 15:20:52 PST 2003 by Anji]


I won't deny that ALL THREE ALBUMS are funky- DAMN funky. "1999" just is 100 times more complex than the other two.
Complexity doesn't necessarily lend itself to this debate of which album is funkier. In fact, I would argue the opposite. 1999 probably loses the tightness of it's funk, which is undeniably there, through it's meandering arrangements. Dirty Mind and Controversy serve the funk straight up and that is possibly what these results are showing.

mr.green
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Reply #75 posted 03/14/03 3:49pm

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Controversy the siong itself has enough funk to spread over several pieces of bread to make many sammiches...feed the earf
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #76 posted 03/14/03 3:51pm

Anji

rdhull said:

Controversy the siong itself has enough funk to spread over several pieces of bread to make many sammiches...feed the earf
lol
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Reply #77 posted 03/14/03 4:25pm

JaneyPoos

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Anji said:

Which is funkier? My vote goes to Controversy. mr.green


yes nod agreed nod
JaneyPoos used to be it... then they changed what it was. Now what I am isn't it and what is it is strange and frightening to me...


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Reply #78 posted 03/14/03 4:30pm

Anji

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 11 votes
1999: 8 votes

woot!
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Reply #79 posted 03/14/03 4:32pm

rdhull

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1999 got that synth-fried geetar heavy funk. Acid trip.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #80 posted 03/14/03 4:37pm

TRON

Dirty Mind and Controversy are not funk, they're new wave. wink
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Reply #81 posted 03/14/03 4:40pm

Anji

TRON said:

Dirty Mind and Controversy are not funk, they're new wave. wink
mr.green
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Reply #82 posted 03/14/03 4:44pm

rdhull

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Dont laff at the new wave ref..Prince even called out "new wave" on the live DMSR staccatto synths on that Aug 1983 performance.

Rick James had punk funk and Prince had New Wave Funk
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #83 posted 03/14/03 4:48pm

Anji

rdhull said:

Dont laff at the new wave ref..Prince even called out "new wave" on the live DMSR staccatto synths on that Aug 1983 performance.

Rick James had punk funk and Prince had New Wave Funk
I understand. Controversy is still funkier. mr.green
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Reply #84 posted 03/21/03 6:17pm

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Anji, you know I love you, but I've got to go with 1999.

Dirty Mind and Controversy were wonderful classics, but they were the natural hodge podge of a musician keenly in touch with the popular sounds of the time -- disco/synth-heavy new wave/punk/70s slow jams/Philadelphia funk. Of course, Prince was maybe the best of the few mass media-ready artists with the right balance of qualities to pull off this mix -- balls, endearing eccentricity, vulgarity, a pretty face and (gasp) blackness, but the musical hybrid was nothing stunning or unexplored. Just check out Tom Tom Club, Talking Heads, Chic, Blondie or Geman import Nina. (OK...I admit, none of these guys could crank out a good slow jam, but still.)

Then 1999 came out of nowhere! And not only did it feature the Prince sounds we'd already come to love (DMSR, International Lover), but it suddenly threw at us his answer to Devo's mindless electronica (Delirious); more artistically subversive and radio-worthy cuts (Little Red Covette); the soon-to-be trademark Linn sound (1999); more sophisticated chords, arrangements and extended jam sessions (Something in the Water, Lady Cab Driver) and inklings that his mind could focus on something other than sex, incest, partying and social rebellion (Free). This, I think, was the true start of innovation for Prince, not just an embellishment of existing musical thought.

"So," you say, "that establishes 1999 as the best album. But what about the FUNK factor?" Well...

Not much can touch the sheer attitude or the way Fink and Lisa's keyboards wrap around the beats of Dirty Mind and Head. But the true, flat-out, ass-shaking, head-bobbing funk stops there. Sure, Uptown and Partyup are nice party tracks, but that's not funk... that's just fun.

As for Controversy, the title track's keyboard and rhythm guitar plainly kick ass; Sexuality's attitude alone is amazing; and Let's Work's bassline is ferocious, but again it ends there. The rest of the album is evocative from a musical or lyrical standpoint, but that's not necessarily FUNK.

Now 1999: Tell me you don't get off on the rhythm guitar in the title track's last 12 or so seconds alone. Tell me Let's Pretend We're Married's soaring keyboard doesn't make you wanna do the white man's overbite. I feel it would be unfair for me to even mention DMSR's bassline! Tell me Automatic's stacatto percussion and hook don't have you bopping your head and singing "tell me what to do-oo-ooo." lol Tell me you don't feel the Linn funk of Something in the Water's breakdown...

And "Lady Cab Driver"? Funky? C'mon! ...All I can say is censored !!!
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #85 posted 03/21/03 6:24pm

Anji

Lammastide said:

Anji, you know I love you, but I've got to go with 1999.

Dirty Mind and Controversy were wonderful classics, but they were the natural hodge podge of a musician keenly in touch with the popular sounds of the time -- disco/synth-heavy new wave/punk/70s slow jams/Philadelphia funk. Of course, Prince was maybe the best of the few mass media-ready artists with the right balance of qualities to pull off this mix -- balls, endearing eccentricity, vulgarity, a pretty face and (gasp) blackness, but the musical hybrid was nothing stunning or unexplored. Just check out Tom Tom Club, Talking Heads, Chic, Blondie or Geman import Nina. (OK...I admit, none of these guys could crank out a good slow jam, but still.)

Then 1999 came out of nowhere! And not only did it feature the Prince sounds we'd already come to love (DMSR, International Lover), but it suddenly threw at us his answer to Devo's mindless electronica (Delirious); more artistically subversive and radio-worthy cuts (Little Red Covette); the soon-to-be trademark Linn sound (1999); more sophisticated chords, arrangements and extended jam sessions (Something in the Water, Lady Cab Driver) and inklings that his mind could focus on something other than sex, incest, partying and social rebellion (Free). This, I think, was the true start of innovation for Prince, not just an embellishment of existing musical thought.

"So," you say, "that establishes 1999 as the best album. But what about the FUNK factor?" Well...

Not much can touch the sheer attitude or the way Fink and Lisa's keyboards wrap around the beats of Dirty Mind and Head. But the true, flat-out, ass-shaking, head-bobbing funk stops there. Sure, Uptown and Partyup are nice party tracks, but that's not funk... that's just fun.

As for Controversy, the title track's keyboard and rhythm guitar plainly kick ass; Sexuality's attitude alone is amazing; and Let's Work's bassline is ferocious, but again it ends there. The rest of the album is evocative from a musical or lyrical standpoint, but that's not necessarily FUNK.

Now 1999: Tell me you don't get off on the rhythm guitar in the title track's last 12 or so seconds alone. Tell me Let's Pretend We're Married's soaring keyboard doesn't make you wanna do the white man's overbite. I feel it would be unfair for me to even mention DMSR's bassline! Tell me Automatic's stacatto percussion and hook don't have you bopping your head and singing "tell me what to do-oo-ooo." lol Tell me you don't feel the Linn funk of Something in the Water's breakdown...

And "Lady Cab Driver"? Funky? C'mon! ...All I can say is censored !!!
Great post but your argument is floored, Lammastide; you forgot to mention All The Critics Love U In New York. wink
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Reply #86 posted 03/21/03 7:04pm

Handclapsfinga
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Anji said:

Great post but your argument is floored, Lammastide; you forgot to mention All The Critics Love U In New York. wink

omg no he didn't forget "all the critics..."!!! omg
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Reply #87 posted 03/21/03 8:15pm

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1999... was a hard choice but thats what I am goin for!
He calls me "Holi" cuz he says everyday w/ me is like a Holiday...
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Reply #88 posted 03/21/03 10:28pm

Anji

Which album is funkier?

Dirty Mind: 10 votes
Controversy: 11 votes
1999: 10 votes

hmm
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Reply #89 posted 03/22/03 5:32am

Lammastide

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Anji said:

Great post but your argument is floored, Lammastide; you forgot to mention All The Critics Love U In New York. wink

omg no he didn't forget "all the critics..."!!! omg

I actually could never forget All the Critics... but for some people the funk of that song has to be worked for, and I wanted my post to be a slam-dunk. lol
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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
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