I think I've shown pretty apparent comparisons and contrasts between the two.

You can choose to just dismiss the observations I've made, but I think by saying "there is no comparison," I think you're trying to dismiss or trivialize 3ED's merit. It's your perogative to be dismissive for whatever reason.

But you're not engaging in the discussion of comparison and contrast then, which is also fine.

But there ARE ways in which both groups are similar, and there are ways they are different. These are true statements.

Oh, and I'm no Captain-Save-A-3rd-Eye-Girl.

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If I had to choose between watching ONLY 3EG in concert and V6, it'd be Vanity 6.

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But as it stands now, 3EG features Prince in shows. V6 never did that. So maybe I would/did actually prefer to see 3EG in concert.

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I don't know what 3EG will be like independent of prince, but I'd probably see them nonetheless. But the plan from my understanding is that they are and will be an independent entity of Prince. With the album featuring vocals from him on two tracks? Isn't that out there somewhere?

GuyBros said:

I think I've shown pretty apparent comparisons and contrasts between the two.

You can choose to just dismiss the observations I've made, but I think by saying "there is no comparison," I think you're trying to dismiss or trivialize 3ED's merit. It's your perogative to be dismissive for whatever reason.

But you're not engaging in the discussion of comparison and contrast then, which is also fine.

But there ARE ways in which both groups are similar, and there are ways they are different. These are true statements.

Yes, I agreed that you did show contrasts and comparisons, but like I said, 2 me that shows how much using the 2 groups don't really connect.

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Please don't make this about you. I hear what you are saying. I mean why not can compare 3rd Eye Girl to Sheila Cat & Boni, or any other 3 combo girl units because like Sheila Cat Bonni you know he usually focuses on the women. AND SPECIFICALLY they were Prince's backing band. Not a protege Unit. You don't even know what 3rd Eye Girl means most likely. I don't think eveything needs to be compared to some other period in Prince history. Prince never made any connection to Vanity 6.

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Again my initial disagreement is that Vanity 6 was never Prince's backing band, they were a 'front' group. Which

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If you've read any of my posts on the 3rd Eye Girl concept you would see how wrong your words are about me dismissing or trivializing 3EDs merit. You are really making this molehill into a mountain. Nothing in ANY of my posts especially in this one is dismissive or trivializing their merit. I've created a thread celebrating the Prince Andy Allo & 3rd Eye Girls move through pictures and posting songs. So Please take that somewhere else.

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I'm dismissing the comparison of Vanity 6 & 3rd Eye Girl, now if you want to get your drawers all stained up over this, then that's you.

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I say you and the other person are trivializing 3rd Eye Girl BAND, not knowing what they are are what they will be. By comparing them to PROTEGE group During this Purple High, is a disservice. Let them stand alone. This is why I don't feel the need to go into comparisons.

GuyBros said:

Oh, and I'm no Captain-Save-A-3rd-Eye-Girl.

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If I had to choose between watching ONLY 3EG in concert and V6, it'd be Vanity 6.

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But as it stands now, 3EG features Prince in shows. V6 never did that. So maybe I would/did actually prefer to see 3EG in concert.

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I don't know what 3EG will be like independent of prince, but I'd probably see them nonetheless. But the plan from my understanding is that they are and will be an independent entity of Prince. With the album featuring vocals from him on two tracks? Isn't that out there somewhere?

You can like who you choose

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again why compare 3rdEye Girl to V6? Why not Prince & the NPG:SOnny T, Morris Hayes & Michael B? they were a band, or Tora Tora & the NPG, or Prince Joshua Dunham, Cora Dunham, Morris Hayes -they also playe a few shows as a 3+1 man band

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I would watch Vanity 6 with the Time backing them anytime(especially before the lace curtain was put up)

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As it stands 3EG never opened for Prince, Vanity 6 did on one his hottests tours ever 1999 tour, because they were not his backing band but his protege group (why is this so hard for you to comprehend the difference???)

In general, the music made by Prince, The Time and Vanity 6 is a new sort of funk music - expansive, open to new rhythms and off-beat ideas. Best of all, it's a radical sound that's commercially successful, something adventurous music rarely achieves these days.

By Ken Tucker Sunday, November 21, 1982

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Like I said in my previous post, you nor I know what will happen with 3rd Eye Girl, or what any of this means yet

1725topp said:

SpiritOtter said:

1725, Given your expectation for each Prince project to be somehow diffetent to the last, how do you view the critique that his projects have somewhat blended into one another from Musicology to 20Ten without much in the way of distinctly discernable difference, except of course Lotusflower?

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I disagree with the assessment that the albums "have somewhat blended into one another...without much in the way of distinctly discernible difference" and think that Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, Lotusflow3r/MPLS, 20Ten and what he's doing now are all discernibly different. And, in that, I am pleased. But let me add that along with being different and full of variety, I have enjoyed, as well, just the fact that they have all included solid songs that appeal to my taste. So, again, I am well pleased. Finally, the truth of the matter is that rather than viewing, say, Controversy as "distinctly discernible" from Dirty Mind, it is more of an evolution or an expansion of Dirty Mind; both their own being, but Controversy is clearly rooted in and birthed from the womb of Dirty Mind. So, one of things that I love about Prince is that he plants seeds in one project, and those seeds blossom into their own being on the next project, being something different but also a branch of the thing/idea that was started previously, which is why I continue to say that anyone who is shocked that Prince became a Jehovah's Witness wasn't really listening or only hearing what they wanted to hear. So, for me, each of the albums from 2004 to now have their own mood and texture while still being a branch on the tree of Prince.

Seriously..could not of said /explained this better myself ! So on point here!

Thank u 1725 for expressing this journey of P's music in the most elequent way!

God bless u.

OldFriends4Sale said:

Please don't make this about you.

I didn't. It ain't that serious, bruh. I thnk you mention that in the other thread? It's a discussion forum? I could quote you if you'd like?

Also: because I don't have much time

I said this:

You can choose to just dismiss the observations I've made, but I think by saying "there is no comparison," I think you're trying to dismiss or trivialize 3ED's merit. It's your perogative to be dismissive for whatever reason.

This isn't me getting drawers in a bunch. I think I'm responding to your point by point.The above post is me I'm reassuring you that if you choose to have an opinion that's contrary to my own subjective taste, that's Kool and the Gang.

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If I'm wrong and you're not being just dismissive of them, that's cool too. You don't think they should be compared. That's fine. But they can be compared, and we can choose to engage in that discussion, right Mod?

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And If my presumption that you are dismissive of the group for elitest reasons, then I apologize. I don't read through all of your posts and I don't imagine you read through all of mine. And if you did, I'd probably be worried.

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Even if I agree with you that to compare the two would be a bit unbalanced as they played different roles, it does not mean that they cannot be compared. There's no reason why we can't compare NPG and 3EG. But there's no reason why people can't compare these two if they'd like, right?

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No mountains, no molehills, no shade, not T.

But seriously?

You don't even know what 3rd Eye Girl means most likely.

While I am familiar with the concept of what the 3rd Eye is physiologically and philosophically, I don't know why my knowledge of it or ignorance of it would have on the bearing of this conversation. This could come across as a way of discrediting my opinions because I'm not well versed enough in all things Prince, but I'll let you explain if you choose to why my knowledge about this matters. Because if it's for the reason of dismissal, I'll just say right now that I'm no fan of snobbery or elitism. This is something I've echoed here in the past (not that I assume you've read it, because again, why would you). But again, I'll let you tell me what that observation means instead of assuming. Cool?

OldFriends4Sale said:

(why is this so hard for you to comprehend the difference???)

I'm not a new fan dude. I understand the difference between a backing band and protege group. I understand Prince was doing the Svengali thing. I understand that. And even if I didn't, that would not discredit my observations.

My point is:

1)These groups can be compared (this is a factual statement). We can analyze how they are alike.

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2) They can be contrasted (we can analyze how they are different).

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I've shown comparisons and highlighted ways they are alike.

You've highlited ways they are differed. (V6 is a protege group, 3ED is a backing band). You've contrasted them! And so have I!

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Again, I'm guessing you don't think they "should" be compared" because of the contrasts you offer, but I don't think this is necessarily harmful. The most rowdy exchange has come from who? Us?

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At the very least, we both agree there should be no comparison between 3EG and Wendy & Lisa

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Please don't make this about you.

I didn't. It ain't that serious, bruh. I thnk you mention that in the other thread? It's a discussion forum? I could quote you if you'd like?

I only have 2

I'm saying don't make it like I'm dismissing your post or thoughts, it's not anything about you

You are the one who concluded I saw no merit in 3rd Eye Girl or was being dismissive of them

u already did

If you and the other person, (this isn't even about your original ideal) compared a group of 3 more appropriate to 3rd Eye Girl then we can have a discussion,

If 3rd Eye Girl started out as a protege group, then we can have a discussion

but they simply haven't

Bria vs Jill Jones, Bria vs Carmen Electra, Bria vs Ingrid = good comparisons

Bria vs Lisa Colemen, Bria vs the Family, Bria vs the ONA band = bad comparisons

but you can discuss on with ever who feels there is a equal comparison,

2 diiferent type of fruit

GuyBros said:

You don't even know what 3rd Eye Girl means most likely.

While I am familiar with the concept of what the 3rd Eye is physiologically and philosophically, I don't know why my knowledge of it or ignorance of it would have on the bearing of this conversation. This could come across as a way of discrediting my opinions because I'm not well versed enough in all things Prince, but I'll let you explain if you choose to why my knowledge about this matters. Because if it's for the reason of dismissal, I'll just say right now that I'm no fan of snobbery or elitism. This is something I've echoed here in the past (not that I assume you've read it, because again, why would you). But again, I'll let you tell me what that observation means instead of assuming. Cool?

omg

That was WAY too much insecure information

I did not say 3rd Eye

I said what 3rd Eye Girl means, what is the reasoning

We know Vanity 6 = Vanity (chosen name of the lead of group) 6 = 3 women in the group equalling 6 breasts

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I've been asking this question for a while

What is the concept of the group, why 3rd Eye Girl etc

it started out as some kind of temp term used for some secret person releasing clips and music

I can't believe its ok for a JW to incorp the 3rd Eye concept but he can't let his hair grow

OldFriends4Sale said:

but you can discuss on with ever who feels there is a equal comparison,

2 diiferent type of fruit

Read above regarding what a comparison is:

Analyzing the similarities between two things.

A comparison doesn't have to be about two equal things.

We could compare a car to to a cat. Both have solid structures. Both rely upon energy for movement.

A comparison isn't solely relagated between objects that are similar. Rather it is finding similarities between things.

But thank you for reaffirming that we can have this discussion though, on the real.

OldFriends4Sale said:

GuyBros said:

While I am familiar with the concept of what the 3rd Eye is physiologically and philosophically, I don't know why my knowledge of it or ignorance of it would have on the bearing of this conversation. This could come across as a way of discrediting my opinions because I'm not well versed enough in all things Prince, but I'll let you explain if you choose to why my knowledge about this matters. Because if it's for the reason of dismissal, I'll just say right now that I'm no fan of snobbery or elitism. This is something I've echoed here in the past (not that I assume you've read it, because again, why would you). But again, I'll let you tell me what that observation means instead of assuming. Cool?

omg

That was WAY too much insecure information

I did not say 3rd Eye

I said what 3rd Eye Girl means, what is the reasoning

We know Vanity 6 = Vanity (chosen name of the lead of group) 6 = 3 women in the group equalling 6 breasts

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I've been asking this question for a while

What is the concept of the group, why 3rd Eye Girl etc

it started out as some kind of temp term used for some secret person releasing clips and music

I can't believe its ok for a JW to incorp the 3rd Eye concept but he can't let his hair grow

None of this explains to me why you said that. What bearing did that statement have upon the conversation? Why did you bring it up?

OldFriends4Sale said:

Aerogram said:

They were not his backing band but they were his choice and his creation. The number stood for the number of boobs.

And that's fine, I love V6, but this time it's different. I find it refreshing that he's sharing his technique with them, that they are going through his catalogue. It's something logical to do at this point, and at the same time something I'm a bit surprised to see.

Prince using the word "misogynistic" -- there's something going on here.

I'm just not getting the comparison.

When you say 'this time it's differen't' it seems you see some kind of similarities.

Vanity 6 were 'lead personalities' and very real people in Prince's life at the time. Not strangers. There chemistry with Morris Day, and the Time etc It both groups are just too different to be compared. I want the best for 3rd Eye Girl, but I would never compare them to Vanity 6:Brenda Bennett, Denise Matthews & Susan Moonsie

You're right, they are more comparable to Wendy and Lisa.

Seriously now, I just think it's nice Prince went from having a trio of minimally dressed singers to a trio that provides the whole macho wall of sound.

But screw all that : who here thinks 3EG should cover Sexshooter?

Aerogram said:

But screw all that : who here thinks 3EG should cover Sexshooter?

During the sampler set?

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

omg

That was WAY too much insecure information

I did not say 3rd Eye

I said what 3rd Eye Girl means, what is the reasoning

We know Vanity 6 = Vanity (chosen name of the lead of group) 6 = 3 women in the group equalling 6 breasts

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I've been asking this question for a while

What is the concept of the group, why 3rd Eye Girl etc

it started out as some kind of temp term used for some secret person releasing clips and music

I can't believe its ok for a JW to incorp the 3rd Eye concept but he can't let his hair grow

None of this explains to me why you said that. What bearing did that statement have upon the conversation? Why did you bring it up?

In order to compare those 2 units, what's the function, what do they mean.

We know and understand Vanity 6 in connection with Prince, the place in the camp etc we don't really know at this point what 3rd Eye Girl place is, will the band expand, will they actually be a seperate group, etc

GuyBros said:

Aerogram said:

But screw all that : who here thinks 3EG should cover Sexshooter?

During the sampler set?

I'm sure Nasty Girl would sound great all grunged-up. Throw in a instrumental rework of Vibrator, and we're having fun.

I just think 3rd Eye Girl is promising and fun, certainly much better than I'd have any right to expect from a guy who has been around for so long. They credibly deliver a very muscular sound that compares to the Undertaker session, something I had been hoping for. If Prince had assembled a trio of young singers, I don't think I'd be that interested.

We shall see with the new album.

OldFriends4Sale said:

GuyBros said:

None of this explains to me why you said that. What bearing did that statement have upon the conversation? Why did you bring it up?

In order to compare those 2 units, what's the function, what do they mean.

We know and understand Vanity 6 in connection with Prince, the place in the camp etc we don't really know at this point what 3rd Eye Girl place is, will the band expand, will they actually be a seperate group, etc

We don't need to know the function in order to be able to compare 2 different things.

But I'm done with this part of the discussion. I've explained how things can be compared and contrasted. :: shrugs :: So, moving along.

Aerogram said:

GuyBros said:

During the sampler set?

I'm sure Nasty Girl would sound great all grunged-up. Throw in a instrumental rework of Vibrator, and we're having fun.

I just think 3rd Eye Girl is promising and fun, certainly much better than I'd have any right to expect from a guy who has been around for so long. They credibly deliver a very muscular sound that compares to the Undertaker session, something I had been hoping for. If Prince had assembled a trio of young singers, I don't think I'd be that interested.

We shall see with the new album.

I was kind of being tongue in cheek with my response. I don't know that they would ever play something like that and I can't imagine what the arragement would sound like. But I'd be willing to give a listen.

GuyBros said:

Aerogram said:

I'm sure Nasty Girl would sound great all grunged-up. Throw in a instrumental rework of Vibrator, and we're having fun.

I just think 3rd Eye Girl is promising and fun, certainly much better than I'd have any right to expect from a guy who has been around for so long. They credibly deliver a very muscular sound that compares to the Undertaker session, something I had been hoping for. If Prince had assembled a trio of young singers, I don't think I'd be that interested.

We shall see with the new album.

I was kind of being tongue in cheek with my response. I don't know that they would ever play something like that and I can't imagine what the arragement would sound like. But I'd be willing to give a listen.

Glad to hear it -- give it more tongue next time.