dJJ said:

:falloff:

"I want to cum inside of you." - Prince, second show in Seattle on 4/18.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

CocoRock said:

dJJ said:

I agree with you.




I also like P+3EG.



I don't compare his current music with other era's because to me it's distinct.


I also love the raw and pure style of them.


I'm glad he got rid of the "sex sells" adagium.


His music does not need the same strategy as a car sale shop.
Leave that to Robin Thicke.

Prince and these girls are about the music and I really, really, really like that.


I'm convinced that I will see them perform live and that those concerts will be in my top Prince concerts.

"I want to cum inside of you." - Prince, second show in Seattle on 4/18.

Not talking about his lyrics or music.

Talking about his former marketing strategies that entailed female bandmembers dressed with as little fabric as possible.

GuyBros said:

dJJ said:

So, when it are all girls, it's sexual, but when the band would be boys it would not be sexual?

Since when is merely the fact that there are girls on stage, it's sexual?

These girls are good musicians.

If I were 3EG, I would feel offended by the assumption that they are on stage because that is sexual.

These girls are really good musician!!!



And they are cool, but not walking around with only their nipples covered or in their underwear.

They wear clothes that suits them, they'r not doing a lingerie show.

No.

Just... no.

I asked questions.

One question with 2 components was, "Do you think sexuality or sexual attractiveness is absent from this current line-up?"

What I am NOT saying is that these bad ass musicians were picked only because of their sexual attractiveness (or whatever that means).

I am NOT saying that is that a group of males couldn't be sexually attractive or have sex appeal as a part of their appeal.

I do question however one can dismiss their "attractiveness" (again, whatever that means) as not being beneficial when picking a backing group.

I'm not dismissing their skills. At all. If you've ever read any of my previous posts, I am often praising or defending the sklls of the women of the group. I absolutely believe they are talented. I suspect that their fair appearances did not hurt their chances of being picked for their duties.

To answer my own question: "I dont think either is absent for this current line-up."

I don't think talen is absent either. I believe it is their in abundance.

I responded to Serious.

dJJ said:

GuyBros said:

No.

Just... no.

I asked questions.

One question with 2 components was, "Do you think sexuality or sexual attractiveness is absent from this current line-up?"

What I am NOT saying is that these bad ass musicians were picked only because of their sexual attractiveness (or whatever that means).

I am NOT saying that is that a group of males couldn't be sexually attractive or have sex appeal as a part of their appeal.

I do question however one can dismiss their "attractiveness" (again, whatever that means) as not being beneficial when picking a backing group.

I'm not dismissing their skills. At all. If you've ever read any of my previous posts, I am often praising or defending the sklls of the women of the group. I absolutely believe they are talented. I suspect that their fair appearances did not hurt their chances of being picked for their duties.

To answer my own question: "I dont think either is absent for this current line-up."

I don't think talen is absent either. I believe it is their in abundance.

I responded to Serious.

Cool. I think my responses are still applicable at least with regards to my observations about "sex."

dJJ said:

Not talking about his lyrics or music.

Talking about his former marketing strategies that entailed female bandmembers dressed with as little fabric as possible.

Ok. If you are solely talking about then, then sure. The female band members are not dressed in as little fabric as possible.

I think what some of us are having a problem with is that very narrow definition of "sex sells." Because sexuality is more than the amount of lack of clothing one wears.

GuyBros said:

dJJ said:

Not talking about his lyrics or music.

Talking about his former marketing strategies that entailed female bandmembers dressed with as little fabric as possible.

Ok. If you are solely talking about then, then sure. The female band members are not dressed in as little fabric as possible.

I think what some of us are having a problem with is that very narrow definition of "sex sells." Because sexuality is more than the amount of lack of clothing one wears.

I think I made the distinction in my prior responses.

It's using "sexy girls" as marketing tools.

And yes, the looks on stage are part of the act.

However, I get the idea that this band is formed based on their musical skills, their personal match and the way they 'work together' (in all meanings of that).

I agree with you post, btw.

i agree with you about it being different, outside of his usual slickness that

crept into his music this last decade or so.

.

same thing goes for the music he produces with andy allo. the songs they

did together for her album, as well as "u will b" and a couple other things.

.

they are still uniquely "prince", yet they harken back to something that has

been missing from his music for a while, something off center and different.

.

that was with regards to his funk and jazz.

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now he seems to be doing the same thing with his approach to rock with

the 3rd Eye Girl band.

.

anything that makes him get out of a rut is fine with me.

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i finally figured out today why the whole 3rd Eye Girl era has been bothering

me somewhat and that's because i was really hoping he'd make an album in

the spirit of his work with andy allo, an album that would sound a bit more as

if it were produced by prince in 1980 instead of 2004.

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but then 3rd Eye Girl came along and he want all rock again. not a bad thing

by any means, i love it when prince does rock.

.

it's the confusion about what's going on and about what we might get that is

nagging me. what kind of album is he working on? if he's taking all of these

'new' or for want of a better word 'different' approaches on board to make a

new prince album it might be an amazing album. but where does 3rd Eye fit

into that? because it seems like we'll get a 3rd Eye Girl album feat Prince 1st.

.

but probably all this 'confusion' is working to our benefit in the long run since

he seems to be invigorated again and doing things more spontaniously, even

if the end result in some cases isn't to my own personal liking.

.

dJJ said:

CocoRock said:

dJJ said: "I want to cum inside of you." - Prince, second show in Seattle on 4/18.

Not talking about his lyrics or music.

Talking about his former marketing strategies that entailed female bandmembers dressed with as little fabric as possible.

dJJ said:

I agree with you.




I also like P+3EG.



I don't compare his current music with other era's because to me it's distinct.


I also love the raw and pure style of them.


I'm glad he got rid of the "sex sells" adagium.


His music does not need the same strategy as a car sale shop.
Leave that to Robin Thicke.

Prince and these girls are about the music and I really, really, really like that.


I'm convinced that I will see them perform live and that those concerts will be in my top Prince concerts.

Backtrack lie much?!

And even if you weren't "talking about the music", these girls aren't exactly wearing purple burkas when onstage, are they?

GuyBros said:

dJJ said:

Not talking about his lyrics or music.

Talking about his former marketing strategies that entailed female bandmembers dressed with as little fabric as possible.

Ok. If you are solely talking about then, then sure. The female band members are not dressed in as little fabric as possible.

I think what some of us are having a problem with is that very narrow definition of "sex sells." Because sexuality is more than the amount of lack of clothing one wears.

Thank you!

dJJ said:

Serious said:

Exactly after all it's an all female band of women who are half his age. And he even got his female young hot guitar holder on stage now and has a beautiful female 22 year old manager

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So, when it are all girls, it's sexual, but when the band would be boys it would not be sexual?

Since when is merely the fact that there are girls on stage, it's sexual?

These girls are good musicians.

If I were 3EG, I would feel offended by the assumption that they are on stage because that is sexual.

These girls are really good musician!!!



And they are cool, but not walking around with only their nipples covered or in their underwear.

They wear clothes that suits them, they'r not doing a lingerie show.

I don't think he would have hired these 3 musicians as his three (only) bandmembers if they were boys.

I find a man in his mid-50s who is musically way more talented than his all girl group in their 20s (apart from Ida who is dressed in a girly-style, so she gives the vibes as if she was younger which is cool IMO) a bit embarrassing even if Prince still loks good for his age and even if they have musical talent themselves. But yes they are not no-talents like former girls dressed in lingerie he shared the stage with, that's true.
Prince hardly ever surrounds himself with talented young male artists, that's the main problem I have, if it was really about inspiration from young people, why only young females. For me it's pretty obvious that them being attractive and female makes a huge difference to him.

dJJ said:

I'm curious about what you said regarding Robin Thicke. What do you mean?

paulludvig said:

imago said:

Well, I guess Prince isn't alone in smocking crack cocaine.

Yeah. W&L were good. But not that good.

now why did I expect Paulludvig to give a reply like that

Aerogram said:

I say 3rd Eye Girl is the anti-Vanity 6.

They are there more for their musical chops than how well they can fill something out of Veronica's Closet.

Has Prince seen the light on misogyny? Fixurlifeup seems to say so... and he is singing to the mirror again? Seems so... If there's one thing that has ruined Prince's life, it's misogyny -- thinik about it.

A little wave to all the oldtimers who remember that little symbol in my avatar. Aerogram, the Other Symbol Man.

Vanity 6 was never Prince's backing band.

Vanity 6 had a place in the Purple vision, and it worked.

If you think about it, Sheila E, Wendy & Lisa also wore Victoria's Secret wore it well and performed well in it..

And even Prince wore it well

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

3rd Girl is the new Wendy & Lisa!!!!!!!

why oh why did you have to go there

It's not out of disrespect to the 3rd Eye band, I'm enjoying what's going on, but you can't compare 1980-1986 to January-May 2013

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Were you also the one who said "Andy Allo is the new Wendy"? a year ago?

IsenSzek said: i agree with you about it being different, outside of his usual slickness that

crept into his music this last decade or so.

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Dirty Mind was a “slick” if not “contrived” record according to both Pepe Willie and Owen Husney because Prince was specifically trying to craft something different. Additionally, that “slickness” of “showmanship” has always existed in Prince’s music and performances; he has balanced that “slickness” better with so-called “rawness” or “raw emotion” or “raw energy,” but it was always a type of “slickness”.

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Imago said: I really don't see this lasting very long, but it's kind of fun while it does. Prince's genius is simply far beyond anything 3rdeyegirl can accomodate. Prince would be limited in his live performances by what the girls are capable of doing, and compromise is not something Prince does often artistically.

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I don’t disagree completely because I have been loving the studio and the live stuff that’s been coming from 3EG, but the problem is that “any” one type of band would be limiting for Prince, which is why he changes so much. Of course, a more expanded band allows Prince to have the best of all worlds of raw funk, sophisticated pop, and high energy rock, but in this case Prince seems to be interested in high energy rock and is still talented enough to perform a song like “Adore” on this LOL tour and make it all feel natural and great. I guess I’m not one of those people who go to Prince with menu or list (and I’m not saying that you are either) but since I love the depth, range, and dimensionality of his talents I can enjoy whatever he’s doing at the moment because all I expect is for his work to be somehow different than the last project.

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1725,

Given your expectation for each Prince project to be somehow diffetent to the last, how do you view the critique that his projects have somewhat blended into one another from Musicology to 20Ten without much in the way of distinctly discernable difference, except of course Lotusflower?

Replica said:

Sexuality is but 1 part of life as it is currently 1 part of Prince's music...

OldFriends4Sale said:

Aerogram said:

I say 3rd Eye Girl is the anti-Vanity 6.

They are there more for their musical chops than how well they can fill something out of Veronica's Closet.

Has Prince seen the light on misogyny? Fixurlifeup seems to say so... and he is singing to the mirror again? Seems so... If there's one thing that has ruined Prince's life, it's misogyny -- thinik about it.

A little wave to all the oldtimers who remember that little symbol in my avatar. Aerogram, the Other Symbol Man.

Vanity 6 was never Prince's backing band.

Vanity 6 had a place in the Purple vision, and it worked.

If you think about it, Sheila E, Wendy & Lisa also wore Victoria's Secret wore it well and performed well in it..

And even Prince wore it well

They were not his backing band but they were his choice and his creation. The number stood for the number of boobs.

And that's fine, I love V6, but this time it's different. I find it refreshing that he's sharing his technique with them, that they are going through his catalogue. It's something logical to do at this point, and at the same time something I'm a bit surprised to see.

Prince using the word "misogynistic" -- there's something going on here.

Stymie said:

dJJ said:

His music does not need the same strategy as a car sale shop.
Leave that to Robin Thicke.

I'm curious about what you said regarding Robin Thicke. What do you mean?

The topless girls in his video "Blurred Lines". Robin & Friends walking around the models.


I dig the song. It refers to a lot of classic songs by great musicians.

However, they use topless, skinny and sexy girls to sell their music in a video.

To me, this marketing strategy;

using sexy, almost naked, girls in a video, to sell a song,

shows lack of true quality.

Male musicians must be able to have an identity independent of a woman, right?



I find it sad when a man relates his status and self confidence to the looks of his girlfriend or associated females.

As if the man has no worth on his own.


He does not need a woman to establish his own identity, status or self worth, imo.

However, it seems as if male stars get valued by the numer and the looks of his girlfriend or models he surrounds himself with.


And the fact that Robin Thicke and N.E.R.D. allow themselves to particpate in that culture dissapointed me.

What do you think?

dJJ said:

Stymie said:

dJJ said: I'm curious about what you said regarding Robin Thicke. What do you mean?

The topless girls in his video "Blurred Lines". Robin & Friends walking around the models.


I dig the song. It refers to a lot of classic songs by great musicians.

However, they use topless, skinny and sexy girls to sell their music in a video.

To me, this marketing strategy;

using sexy, almost naked, girls in a video, to sell a song,

shows lack of true quality.

Male musicians must be able to have an identity independent of a woman, right?



I find it sad when a man relates his status and self confidence to the looks of his girlfriend or associated females.

As if the man has no worth on his own.


He does not need a woman to establish his own identity, status or self worth, imo.

However, it seems as if male stars get valued by the numer and the looks of his girlfriend or models he surrounds himself with.


And the fact that Robin Thicke and N.E.R.D. allow themselves to particpate in that culture dissapointed me.

What do you think?

Ah!! Thank you for the clarification.

I am disappointed as well because I am a fan of Robin's. I though the video was tacky and pointless.

Stymie said:

dJJ said:

The topless girls in his video "Blurred Lines". Robin & Friends walking around the models.


I dig the song. It refers to a lot of classic songs by great musicians.

However, they use topless, skinny and sexy girls to sell their music in a video.

To me, this marketing strategy;

using sexy, almost naked, girls in a video, to sell a song,

shows lack of true quality.

Male musicians must be able to have an identity independent of a woman, right?



I find it sad when a man relates his status and self confidence to the looks of his girlfriend or associated females.

As if the man has no worth on his own.


He does not need a woman to establish his own identity, status or self worth, imo.

However, it seems as if male stars get valued by the numer and the looks of his girlfriend or models he surrounds himself with.


And the fact that Robin Thicke and N.E.R.D. allow themselves to particpate in that culture dissapointed me.

What do you think?

Ah!! Thank you for the clarification.

I am disappointed as well because I am a fan of Robin's. I though the video was tacky and pointless.

That's the horrible thing about it.

N.E.R.D. were my 2nd best after Prince.

Always valued them highly.


If some random nitwit musician made that video, I would not have cared as much.


I'm having a good time analyzing what lines are blurred.


At least they gave us a good puzzle.

SpiritOtter said:

1725, Given your expectation for each Prince project to be somehow diffetent to the last, how do you view the critique that his projects have somewhat blended into one another from Musicology to 20Ten without much in the way of distinctly discernable difference, except of course Lotusflower?

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I disagree with the assessment that the albums "have somewhat blended into one another...without much in the way of distinctly discernible difference" and think that Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, Lotusflow3r/MPLS, 20Ten and what he's doing now are all discernibly different. And, in that, I am pleased. But let me add that along with being different and full of variety, I have enjoyed, as well, just the fact that they have all included solid songs that appeal to my taste. So, again, I am well pleased. Finally, the truth of the matter is that rather than viewing, say, Controversy as "distinctly discernible" from Dirty Mind, it is more of an evolution or an expansion of Dirty Mind; both their own being, but Controversy is clearly rooted in and birthed from the womb of Dirty Mind. So, one of things that I love about Prince is that he plants seeds in one project, and those seeds blossom into their own being on the next project, being something different but also a branch of the thing/idea that was started previously, which is why I continue to say that anyone who is shocked that Prince became a Jehovah's Witness wasn't really listening or only hearing what they wanted to hear. So, for me, each of the albums from 2004 to now have their own mood and texture while still being a branch on the tree of Prince.

An exquisite answer, which I actually agree with. Thanks, 1725.

1725topp said:

SpiritOtter said:

1725, Given your expectation for each Prince project to be somehow diffetent to the last, how do you view the critique that his projects have somewhat blended into one another from Musicology to 20Ten without much in the way of distinctly discernable difference, except of course Lotusflower?

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I disagree with the assessment that the albums "have somewhat blended into one another...without much in the way of distinctly discernible difference" and think that Musicology, 3121, Planet Earth, Lotusflow3r/MPLS, 20Ten and what he's doing now are all discernibly different. And, in that, I am pleased. But let me add that along with being different and full of variety, I have enjoyed, as well, just the fact that they have all included solid songs that appeal to my taste. So, again, I am well pleased. Finally, the truth of the matter is that rather than viewing, say, Controversy as "distinctly discernible" from Dirty Mind, it is more of an evolution or an expansion of Dirty Mind; both their own being, but Controversy is clearly rooted in and birthed from the womb of Dirty Mind. So, one of things that I love about Prince is that he plants seeds in one project, and those seeds blossom into their own being on the next project, being something different but also a branch of the thing/idea that was started previously, which is why I continue to say that anyone who is shocked that Prince became a Jehovah's Witness wasn't really listening or only hearing what they wanted to hear. So, for me, each of the albums from 2004 to now have their own mood and texture while still being a branch on the tree of Prince.

Excellent just excellent!Cool this is so cool....

Aerogram said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Vanity 6 was never Prince's backing band.

Vanity 6 had a place in the Purple vision, and it worked.

If you think about it, Sheila E, Wendy & Lisa also wore Victoria's Secret wore it well and performed well in it..

And even Prince wore it well

They were not his backing band but they were his choice and his creation. The number stood for the number of boobs.

And that's fine, I love V6, but this time it's different. I find it refreshing that he's sharing his technique with them, that they are going through his catalogue. It's something logical to do at this point, and at the same time something I'm a bit surprised to see.

Prince using the word "misogynistic" -- there's something going on here.

I'm just not getting the comparison.

When you say 'this time it's differen't' it seems you see some kind of similarities.

Vanity 6 were 'lead personalities' and very real people in Prince's life at the time. Not strangers. There chemistry with Morris Day, and the Time etc It both groups are just too different to be compared. I want the best for 3rd Eye Girl, but I would never compare them to Vanity 6:Brenda Bennett, Denise Matthews & Susan Moonsie

Aerogram said:

I don't know about your guys I have not posted on the Org in many years, but so far the evidence points to a very successful and thoughtful musical experiment. They are a powerful quartet and I love how Prince showcases everyone and celebrates music making, this time squarely in the rock mode.

If you listen to stuff like Cinnamon Girl and Guitar, it's clear the 3rd Eye Girl material is vastly superior. It sounds like Prince decided he was too slick and decided to downplay formalism in favor of raw energy -- in the process he met talented young women who fully deserve the praise they hae received. Whatever they lack in virtuosity they make up in sheer energy and that is the whole idea of 3rd Eye Girl.

I'll certainly buy the album when it comes out and am curious about the results for the first time in years.

agreed

OldFriends4Sale said:

Aerogram said:

They were not his backing band but they were his choice and his creation. The number stood for the number of boobs.

And that's fine, I love V6, but this time it's different. I find it refreshing that he's sharing his technique with them, that they are going through his catalogue. It's something logical to do at this point, and at the same time something I'm a bit surprised to see.

Prince using the word "misogynistic" -- there's something going on here.

I'm just not getting the comparison.

When you say 'this time it's differen't' it seems you see some kind of similarities.

Vanity 6 were 'lead personalities' and very real people in Prince's life at the time. Not strangers. There chemistry with Morris Day, and the Time etc It both groups are just too different to be compared. I want the best for 3rd Eye Girl, but I would never compare them to Vanity 6:Brenda Bennett, Denise Matthews & Susan Moonsie

I think what he means is the contrast is that Vanity 6's sexuality was overt. The sexuality of 3rd Eye Girl is more subdued.

There are quite a few comparisons and some ways to contrast the two.

Both entities are Prince orchestrated productions involving 3 girls. Both projects involve 3 women. The women in both projects were individually given opportunity to shine (arguablly... Vanity really seemed to get most out of V6).

Some ways they contrast are:3EG is composed primarily of musicians. V6 was not.

3EG seems to have more overt say and influence with regards to material. V6 didn't have as much. 3EG weren't necessarily involved in Prince's personal sphere coincidentally before joining the group. Brenda's involvement was kind of peripheral if I recall correctly, but he was dating Vanity at some point, and the same kind of went for Susan? 3 EG won't benefit by being a part of the family push that happened in the 80's, while V6 did.

GuyBros said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I'm just not getting the comparison.

When you say 'this time it's differen't' it seems you see some kind of similarities.

Vanity 6 were 'lead personalities' and very real people in Prince's life at the time. Not strangers. There chemistry with Morris Day, and the Time etc It both groups are just too different to be compared. I want the best for 3rd Eye Girl, but I would never compare them to Vanity 6:Brenda Bennett, Denise Matthews & Susan Moonsie

I think what he means is the contrast is that Vanity 6's sexuality was overt. The sexuality of 3rd Eye Girl is more subdued.

There are quite a few comparisons and some ways to contrast the two.

Both entities are Prince orchestrated productions involving 3 girls. Both projects involve 3 women. The women in both projects were individually given opportunity to shine (arguablly... Vanity really seemed to get most out of V6).

Some ways they contrast are:3EG is composed primarily of musicians. V6 was not.

3EG seems to have more overt say and influence with regards to material. V6 didn't have as much. 3EG weren't necessarily involved in Prince's personal sphere coincidentally before joining the group. Brenda's involvement was kind of peripheral if I recall correctly, but he was dating Vanity at some point, and the same kind of went for Susan? 3 EG won't benefit by being a part of the family push that happened in the 80's, while V6 did.

I say 3rd Eye Girl is the anti-Vanity 6.

I just don't get the comparison. And your post made it more apparent that there is no real comparision.

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I mean everyones sexuality was apparent and overt then.

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Vanity 6 was revolved around Vanity (she was the frontman as was Morris of the Time)

Vanity 6 was a protege group. Not Prince's backing band. Vanity's backing band was the Time.

Again I don't think there is or needed to be a comparison.

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I think its a distraction from whatever 3rd Eye Girl is or will be.