There was a rather old video on youtube of me covering Somebody's Somebody with my band live. It was titled "Dave Reismann & Soul Club - "Somebody's Somebody" (Prince)", so there was no implying that this was Prince, but it also made it quite clear that he wrote the song and not me.

So, why was it deleted? Can I get it back on youtube? Shall I sue Prince?

if you didn't pay him a royalty or a licensing fee, what did you expect?

Prince hates free promotion and adulation from fans, so you should feel terrible about yourself for being a part of the Digital Haze. You are hereby now one of the Banished Ones - enjoy eternity in the resistors dream.

Dave1992 said:

There was a rather old video on youtube of me covering Somebody's Somebody with my band live. It was titled "Dave Reismann & Soul Club - "Somebody's Somebody" (Prince)", so there was no implying that this was Prince, but it also made it quite clear that he wrote the song and not me.

So, why was it deleted? Can I get it back on youtube? Shall I sue Prince?

Ask youtubbeeeeee!!!

Youtube not paying him for his music gettin shared on his sites so he basically does not want his music on there...what it boils down to. Think he had a bad falling out with them, even though he doesnt have a place for anyone to see his videos

luv4u said:

I can never answer why he does what he does internetwise. I try to ignore it so I can keep being a fan. I am sorry this hurt you personally. I could have just as easily been the Let's Go Crazy youtube mama if I chose to upload a random moment of my day. thats right MY DAY and MY MEMORIES. I get all bent out of shape if I dwell on it too much. I can't actually be a fan of people I don't like personally or people who have serious charachter defects (to the point where I don't watch Angelina Jolie films because she is a homewrecker, a million good deeds doesn't change that, but I digress) So in the case of Prince I IGNORE all his LITIGIOUSNESS (sue-happy) towards his own fans who love him. I have to ignore it. Unless someone gives me an essay justifying it (morally, ethically, and emotionally) than I won't look it up.

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Sorry I wasn't any help. More of a rant of how I cope with personality defects as a fan.

Like all of you, I see Prince being weird when it comes to this stuff. But I think Prince does actually

consider his songs as his children and not as a commodity to be traded or abused. I really don't think it's about money, but about protecting his offspring. And maybe a little about respect. I don't know...he is strange when it comes to this stuff and it's his business. Why don't you try and reach him instead of getting a lawyer. If your stuff is good, he might let you slide. Or maybe your stuff was terrible and it embarassed him.

Good luck though and keep jamming the funk!

NouveauDance said:

Prince hates free promotion and adulation from fans, so you should feel terrible about yourself for being a part of the Digital Haze. You are hereby now one of the Banished Ones - enjoy eternity in the resistors dream.

Nouveau, what happened to you? I'm serious. Nothing you've written lately even makes sense.

8up said:

Like all of you, I see Prince being weird when it comes to this stuff. But I think Prince does actually consider his songs as his children and not as a commodity to be traded or abused. I really don't think it's about money, but about protecting his offspring. And maybe a little about respect. I don't know...he is strange when it comes to this stuff and it's his business. Why don't you try and reach him instead of getting a lawyer. If your stuff is good, he might let you slide. Or maybe your stuff was terrible and it embarassed him.

Good luck though and keep jamming the funk!

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I understand the moral protection thing very well, even if it isn't about money. But, in this case, I didn't mess around with the original song much - my band simply played the livestudio mix of it and it was a regular live video cut, nothing too fancy and medium recording quality, but the music and singing was solid. I didn't change any lyrics and didn't throw in a deep house beat.

But it's his right and I will respect that, and, honestly, it was just one video... Of course I'm NOT gonna contact any lawyers or whatever - we Europeans don't have that much time on our hands!

That's what he's counting on, probably. He knows many of the videos that are there would fall under "fair use" if the case would be taken to court, but he trusts on intimidation.

I wonder how they at "Controversy Music" pick the songs which they delete. Has Prince paid a person or two to delete a certain amounts of videos per week or something? The material that gets deleted seems really random.

novabrkr said:

That's what he's counting on, probably. He knows many of the videos that are there would fall under "fair use" if the case would be taken to court, but he trusts on intimidation.

I wonder how they at "Controversy Music" pick the songs which they delete. Has Prince paid a person or two to delete a certain amounts of videos per week or something? The material that gets deleted seems really random.

You have to assume that Prince had nothing to do with it, but just pays someone to sit on the net and do this stuff. That guy probably just has instructions to remove anything he finds no matter how inconsequential it may seem (like the dancing baby.)

Not that anyone cares, but I made a cool video of my kid with Delerious as the background music and was tempted to post it, but glad I didn't. On second thought, maybe I will just to see what happenes even though it's 10 years old now. Would anyone like to see that? Just one positive and I'll post it and see what happens. I'm crazy by the way.

Prince hates you, Dave. It's best to accept it now while you're still young.

8up said:

novabrkr said:

That's what he's counting on, probably. He knows many of the videos that are there would fall under "fair use" if the case would be taken to court, but he trusts on intimidation.

I wonder how they at "Controversy Music" pick the songs which they delete. Has Prince paid a person or two to delete a certain amounts of videos per week or something? The material that gets deleted seems really random.

You have to assume that Prince had nothing to do with it, but just pays someone to sit on the net and do this stuff. That guy probably just has instructions to remove anything he finds no matter how inconsequential it may seem (like the dancing baby.)

Not that anyone cares, but I made a cool video of my kid with Delerious as the background music and was tempted to post it, but glad I didn't. On second thought, maybe I will just to see what happenes even though it's 10 years old now. Would anyone like to see that? Just one positive and I'll post it and see what happens. I'm crazy by the way.

I understand Prince's take on it and why youtube videos harm sales, but I don't agree with it and I think he's not doing "real music" any favour. I'd love to see people improvise in a jazz setting on some of his tunes, for example. Not to mention having people play some of his tunes on keyboards and guitar can help people understand how his type of stuff works and how to perform it yourself.

SuperSoulFighter said:

Prince has the copyright, so he can do this, whether we like it or not. We can feel bad about, we can say he is not doing himself a favor, but he has the law on his side.

It's not only that, but let's go back to 1977 when they wanted to get the guy from Earth, Wind, And Fire to produce his first album. That was the safe money, but if he did we might not have the Prince we have today. Let's just assume he knows what he's doing right or wrong because do you really want to be standing in line for a Prince show with a bunch of R. Kelly fans?

I had the same thing happen to my band (The Modern Heirs) about three weeks ago. We had a clip of us playing D.M.S.R. taken down. We hadn't mentioned the name of the song in the Youtube video title, so it stayed up for a year before Controversy music took it down.

I'm not surprised our stuff eventually got removed, in fact I found it quite funny: being indirectly contacted by Prince. He is definitely on the wrong side of the argument and plenty of good points have already been made on the org about how he is damaging his own career by making his music so inaccessible to the younger generation. Nonetheless, we'll still play his stuff live and he can't stop us from doing that (yet).

Dave1992 said:

I understand the moral protection thing very well, even if it isn't about money. But, in this case, I didn't mess around with the original song much - my band simply played the livestudio mix of it and it was a regular live video cut, nothing too fancy and medium recording quality, but the music and singing was solid. I didn't change any lyrics and didn't throw in a deep house beat.

But it's his right and I will respect that, and, honestly, it was just one video... Of course I'm NOT gonna contact any lawyers or whatever -

"we Europeans don't have that much time on our hands!"

BUT...you do have the time to emulate and steal American music,right?

By the way,it is highly un-likely that Prince has ever laid eyes or ears on most of the stuff that gets shut down on his behalf.

This copyright infringement stuff comes directly from his team of,to quote Prince himself, "all black,female lawyers".

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mask said:

Dave1992 said:

I understand the moral protection thing very well, even if it isn't about money. But, in this case, I didn't mess around with the original song much - my band simply played the livestudio mix of it and it was a regular live video cut, nothing too fancy and medium recording quality, but the music and singing was solid. I didn't change any lyrics and didn't throw in a deep house beat.

But it's his right and I will respect that, and, honestly, it was just one video... Of course I'm NOT gonna contact any lawyers or whatever -

"we Europeans don't have that much time on our hands!"

BUT...you do have the time to emulate and steal American music,right?

First of all: "humour" - look it up.

And, what the fuck are you talking about? "Stealing American music"? You must be completely insane inside of your head.

Prince ain't had no dick lately. That's why he's so cranky these days.

Dave1992 said:

There was a rather old video on youtube of me covering Somebody's Somebody with my band live. It was titled "Dave Reismann & Soul Club - "Somebody's Somebody" (Prince)", so there was no implying that this was Prince, but it also made it quite clear that he wrote the song and not me.

So, why was it deleted? Can I get it back on youtube? Shall I sue Prince?

you can cover other people's songs without their approval as long as you pay the appropriate royalties (you or Youtube). No money no honey, there's not a thing you can do.

I don't really understand why people care too much about him protecting his rights, no matter how weird ways he is using. The only thing I care about considering this, is I get less available Prince music, which I think is annoying, but I can't get angry about it. I have wanted to do a few covers myself, but I probably wont just because I know it will be removed pretty damn fast.

databank said:

Dave1992 said:

There was a rather old video on youtube of me covering Somebody's Somebody with my band live. It was titled "Dave Reismann & Soul Club - "Somebody's Somebody" (Prince)", so there was no implying that this was Prince, but it also made it quite clear that he wrote the song and not me.

So, why was it deleted? Can I get it back on youtube? Shall I sue Prince?

you can cover other people's songs without their approval as long as you pay the appropriate royalties (you or Youtube). No money no honey, there's not a thing you can do.

I always thought this only concerned making profit of a cover and therefore wouldn't concern any youtube videos / videos of live covers...

Dave1992 said:

databank said:

you can cover other people's songs without their approval as long as you pay the appropriate royalties (you or Youtube). No money no honey, there's not a thing you can do.

I always thought this only concerned making profit of a cover and therefore wouldn't concern any youtube videos / videos of live covers...

Because you REALLY think Youtube is a charity business? Google makes billions every year with this site! Besides, as far as I know (at least in France) no, you can't use other people's work for free just because you make no profit, for example one can't create a non-profit wabradio just like that, you gotta pay the publishing companies their dues.

databank said:

Dave1992 said:

I always thought this only concerned making profit of a cover and therefore wouldn't concern any youtube videos / videos of live covers...

Because you REALLY think Youtube is a charity business? Google makes billions every year with this site! Besides, as far as I know (at least in France) no, you can't use other people's work for free just because you make no profit, for example one can't create a non-profit wabradio just like that, you gotta pay the publishing companies their dues.

Yeah, now I understand how it works and why it works that way. My way of thinking was that youtube didn't make profit directly from the content of the videos, but from ads etc. But it's a hen and egg debate and somewhere in there the creative process is involved, which makes it understandable to me...

Another case of the rentseeking mentality of the anglosaxon part of the world.

Clearly label your stuff als rehearsal, experiment, feedback wanted, etc and you cna claim it was work in progress, educational, etc in nature.

There is no freedom in the USA or from USA-based (in name, not in taxes) entities at all.

Didn't you notice?