skywalker said:

Genesia said:

It's like retailers who run sales, then bitch because they can't sell anything at full price. They trained their customers to expect the sales and then are pissed when that's the only draw that works.

That's just it. If you mostly view Prince/music as product to consume instead of art to be enjoyed, you've already set yourself up for disappointment. Already imbued yourself with a sense of entitlement.

We aren't signing ourselves up for a subscription to netflix, ordering a pizza, or buying a new car. We are buying music. There is no money back gurantee on how it's going to make you feel, or not feel, etc.

The upside is, we always free to call the customer complaint line and bitch about Prince all day and night here at prince.org. Don't we have better things to do though?

[Edited 4/18/13 8:17am]

I agree that Prince's music is art, but he treats it as just a product lately. Get paid first.

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When Prince hinted that 20Ten would be his last album, sad to say but I was a bit relieved. In a strange way I thought only NOW can I fully absorb this body of work and fully appreciate it.

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Most musicians release an album every 2-4 years, which means that when their latest album comes out you have about 2 years to absorb it and appreciate it. I think as Prince fans, we don't fully absorb "now" before the "what next" sets in. Again, Prince trained us to act this way, so it's not really our fault.

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Being a Prince fan is also not "easy". Yes, his music is easy to listen to, but the sheer amount of it makes you an instant collector. 30+ albums is a lot to take in, especially for younger fans who have to go back and find that stuff. I can't imagine discovering his music now and trying to hear it all at once.

imago said:

What?


Most folks here would just be happy if they'd get their lotusflow3r t-shirt or npgmc Crystal Ball set.

The rest just want their $77 worth.

Whether you're trying to be funny here or serious it's these types of posts that get us these types of threads. It's like listening to a girlfriend complain about some shit you did to her 4 years, 25 days and 6 hours ago verbatim and you're just like "Huh?" If you have such a severe, longstanding issue with Prince and his practices then why are you still patronizing the business? Even in the case of looking for a laugh it's comes across as something that really bothers the person posting it.

That being said thatnkfully I've yet to meet any whiny fans in person at any event but the tone of this site makes Prince fans seems ungrateful, overly entitled and extremely bitter to the point of being vengeful at times.

Se7en said:

skywalker said:

That's just it. If you mostly view Prince/music as product to consume instead of art to be enjoyed, you've already set yourself up for disappointment. Already imbued yourself with a sense of entitlement.

We aren't signing ourselves up for a subscription to netflix, ordering a pizza, or buying a new car. We are buying music. There is no money back gurantee on how it's going to make you feel, or not feel, etc.

The upside is, we always free to call the customer complaint line and bitch about Prince all day and night here at prince.org. Don't we have better things to do though?

[Edited 4/18/13 8:17am]

I agree that Prince's music is art, but he treats it as just a product lately. Get paid first.

.

When Prince hinted that 20Ten would be his last album, sad to say but I was a bit relieved. In a strange way I thought only NOW can I fully absorb this body of work and fully appreciate it.

.

Most musicians release an album every 2-4 years, which means that when their latest album comes out you have about 2 years to absorb it and appreciate it. I think as Prince fans, we don't fully absorb "now" before the "what next" sets in. Again, Prince trained us to act this way, so it's not really our fault.

.

Being a Prince fan is also not "easy". Yes, his music is easy to listen to, but the sheer amount of it makes you an instant collector. 30+ albums is a lot to take in, especially for younger fans who have to go back and find that stuff. I can't imagine discovering his music now and trying to hear it all at once.

So now it's Prince's fault for having a consistent work ethic over the years. Forget the fact that most fans have spent decades obtaining extra material that wasn't officially released. Also factor in that when he does take more than 10 to 11 months to get to "what's next" his fanbase starts clamoring for 'what's next already?" There's still room for adult responsibilty in being a Prince fan.

MattyJam said:

I mean, you'd think after 30 years of constant ouput people would be thankful the little man is still around and active.

Perhaps being one of the most prolific mainstream artists of recent times has made his fans greedy or given them some kind of misguided notion that they are perhaps entitled to new product from Prince.

How about a little bit of love and appreciation for everything he's given us over the years? Yeah, I know he can be a tool at times, but chances are, if you're reading this, Prince has enriched all our lives with his music and I think that should count for something.

& it does ( for me ). I've been a enthusiast since Emancipation Era and my wife ( since 1999 Era ) and I are BOTH Hard-core. I typically don't discet his music to the degree some other 'fans' do but, I have oppinions about the lyrics like we all do

paisley2002 said:

The more I hear complaints like "He should put out a CD with 12-15 songs", "He should do this, he should do that", "Screwdriver sucks, FixUrLifeUp is horrible".... the more ignorant I become towards people like that. Because honestly I don't need negative opinions influencing how much I truly love and appreciate the man and his music. I could care less if he puts out an album this year or not. I think the only thing Prince fans are "entitled" 2 is their opinion, which I respect. But at the end of the day, I'm the last person that's gonna sit here and huff and puff about him.

You want to forbid people to critisize Prince?

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Censurship because you just don't feel like it?

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I don't agree.

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I don't want to have to adjust my freedom of expression

because you feel entitled to not wanting to read opinions that are different than yours.

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imago said:

What?


Most folks here would just be happy if they'd get their lotusflow3r t-shirt or npgmc Crystal Ball set.

The rest just want their $77 worth.

Graycap23 said:

Tremolina said:

Sure, down to where you lie in ignorance.

lol...........ohh lawrd.

Can u say....STALKER?

Graycap23

Feel paranoid lately?

purplegemini said:

What you may not see as inspiring, Prince may have put his heart and soul into it, His fans must realise that he CANNOT please all of them. But for those who enjoy his music, and for those who are not too fond of his ALL his music, and is just happy he is alive and making music still, I say THANK YOU. Because God forbid, he left this earth today. His "uninspiring music" would now become works of GOLD!. This is why I hate this forum, because it has now become a bashing ground for Prince "fans" to give there half-ass opinon, on a LEGEND in the music industry. I have no idea what they want from him anymore....

I agree.

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Of course, everybody can have their opinion.

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But, the amount of negativity over every new song Prince gives us, is extreme.

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People who don't follow the negative sheep over here are mocked and labeled as silly.

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It seems a lot of orgers think to come across as intelligent by being overly critical.

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In reality it just shows their bully like nature.

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I really enjoy the music Prince is offering us.

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And I am very thankful for his work ethics. He still gives us new songs at least every month.

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I'm very happy to be a Prince fan, because he has been giving me so much music.

And still is, on a frequent bases.

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It's silly to want him to release a perfect song every week.

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Or give a perfect performance every day.

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No human being can function on such a high level every day.

Stymie said:

bobzilla77 said:

I think the thing is, when he's on he's SO GOOD, that it becomes frustrating to watch anything less.

People were complaining about the set lists during 21 Nights in LA... at the halfway point I ran the numbers and he had done more than eighty different tunes, with an average of around 20 a night. I mean...

I was going to post something similar.

I remeber watching him in Chicago at the HOB that Tuesday night. Everybody knows what night I am talking about. It was a night where Prince showed what he is capable of. He brought it. I am the most cynical of the cynics and my jaw was on the floor.

It is indeed my issue that I expect him to be like that but when you have seen him at his peek or heard him at his peek, anything else is a letdown.

During your career, do you remember the times when you were on fire?

The days that you were absolute undefeatable?

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What if everybody would hold those days as a standard for you for the rest of your life?

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How would you feel if everything you do, will evoke a comment:

"it's not as good as that one day you did it 20 years ago"

"Sorry, but that means it's just not good"

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I apreciate what Prince is giving us.

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And I don't expect him to be as wonderful as his best day ever.

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He's human.

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MattyJam said:

I mean, you'd think after 30 years of constant ouput people would be thankful the little man is still around and active.

Perhaps being one of the most prolific mainstream artists of recent times has made his fans greedy or given them some kind of misguided notion that they are perhaps entitled to new product from Prince.

How about a little bit of love and appreciation for everything he's given us over the years? Yeah, I know he can be a tool at times, but chances are, if you're reading this, Prince has enriched all our lives with his music and I think that should count for something.

You are absolutely right.

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I am very thankful that Prince is stil on fire.

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I could not wish for more than he is giving at the moment.

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And I really don't understand why so many people are so disrespectful to him.

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Se7en said:

I agree that Prince's music is art, but he treats it as just a product lately. Get paid first.

Hmm. Not sure I follow you. Prince makes music/art. Then, he figures out how to get paid before releasing it.

Isn't that how it works for everyone that makes music? Sure, some artists give away their work for free. Prince has done this in the past though too.

skywalker said:

Se7en said:

I agree that Prince's music is art, but he treats it as just a product lately. Get paid first.

Hmm. Not sure I follow you. Prince makes music/art. Then, he figures out how to get paid before releasing it.

Isn't that how it works for everyone that makes music? Sure, some artists give away their work for free. Prince has done this in the past though too.

He's not putting his heart and soul into his music, lately. That's probably what he/she means

dJJ said:

HonestMan13 said:

imago said:

What?


Most folks here would just be happy if they'd get their lotusflow3r t-shirt or npgmc Crystal Ball set.

The rest just want their $77 worth.

Whether you're trying to be funny here or serious it's these types of posts that get us these types of threads. It's like listening to a girlfriend complain about some shit you did to her 4 years, 25 days and 6 hours ago verbatim and you're just like "Huh?" If you have such a severe, longstanding issue with Prince and his practices then why are you still patronizing the business? Even in the case of looking for a laugh it's comes across as something that really bothers the person posting it.

That being said thatnkfully I've yet to meet any whiny fans in person at any event but the tone of this site makes Prince fans seems ungrateful, overly entitled and extremely bitter to the point of being vengeful at times.

I guess you got your t-shirt.

Beautifulstarr123 said:

skywalker said:

Hmm. Not sure I follow you. Prince makes music/art. Then, he figures out how to get paid before releasing it.

Isn't that how it works for everyone that makes music? Sure, some artists give away their work for free. Prince has done this in the past though too.

He's not putting his heart and soul into his music, lately. That's probably what he/she means

He's not? How do you know?

You could look at many moments in Prince's career and accuse him of "coasting." Hell, the linear for in The Gold Experience basically state that he was from 1990 to 1993. Yet, I hear/see many passionate "heart and soul" moments in those years.

dJJ said:

Stymie said:

I was going to post something similar.

I remeber watching him in Chicago at the HOB that Tuesday night. Everybody knows what night I am talking about. It was a night where Prince showed what he is capable of. He brought it. I am the most cynical of the cynics and my jaw was on the floor.

It is indeed my issue that I expect him to be like that but when you have seen him at his peek or heard him at his peek, anything else is a letdown.

During your career, do you remember the times when you were on fire?

The days that you were absolute undefeatable?

.

.

What if everybody would hold those days as a standard for you for the rest of your life?

.

How would you feel if everything you do, will evoke a comment:

"it's not as good as that one day you did it 20 years ago"

"Sorry, but that means it's just not good"

.

.

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I apreciate what Prince is giving us.

.

And I don't expect him to be as wonderful as his best day ever.

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He's human.

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And that's why I said it's my issue. I know it's not fair or right.

BTW, I am still on top of my game in my career and getting better all the time.

imago: For what it's worth, I got my t-shirt and my $77 dollars worth. Also, I now have 2 versions of Crystall Ball. One is in a terribly inconvenient plastic cylinder.

Stymie said:

dJJ said:

During your career, do you remember the times when you were on fire?

The days that you were absolute undefeatable?

.

.

What if everybody would hold those days as a standard for you for the rest of your life?

.

How would you feel if everything you do, will evoke a comment:

"it's not as good as that one day you did it 20 years ago"

"Sorry, but that means it's just not good"

.

.

.

I apreciate what Prince is giving us.

.

And I don't expect him to be as wonderful as his best day ever.

.

He's human.

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And that's why I said it's my issue. I know it's not fair or right.

BTW, I am still on top of my game in my career and getting better all the time.

And that's why you drive those cool cars

dJJ said:

purplegemini said:

What you may not see as inspiring, Prince may have put his heart and soul into it, His fans must realise that he CANNOT please all of them. But for those who enjoy his music, and for those who are not too fond of his ALL his music, and is just happy he is alive and making music still, I say THANK YOU. Because God forbid, he left this earth today. His "uninspiring music" would now become works of GOLD!. This is why I hate this forum, because it has now become a bashing ground for Prince "fans" to give there half-ass opinon, on a LEGEND in the music industry. I have no idea what they want from him anymore....

I agree.

.

Of course, everybody can have their opinion.

.

But, the amount of negativity over every new song Prince gives us, is extreme.

.

People who don't follow the negative sheep over here are mocked and labeled as silly.

.

It seems a lot of orgers think to come across as intelligent by being overly critical.

.

In reality it just shows their bully like nature.

.

I really enjoy the music Prince is offering us.

.

And I am very thankful for his work ethics. He still gives us new songs at least every month.

.

I'm very happy to be a Prince fan, because he has been giving me so much music.

And still is, on a frequent bases.

.

It's silly to want him to release a perfect song every week.

.

Or give a perfect performance every day.

.

No human being can function on such a high level every day.

i just have to say

SuperSoulFighter said:

Because a new Prince release used to be Now it's just

dJJ said:

paisley2002 said:

The more I hear complaints like "He should put out a CD with 12-15 songs", "He should do this, he should do that", "Screwdriver sucks, FixUrLifeUp is horrible".... the more ignorant I become towards people like that. Because honestly I don't need negative opinions influencing how much I truly love and appreciate the man and his music. I could care less if he puts out an album this year or not. I think the only thing Prince fans are "entitled" 2 is their opinion, which I respect. But at the end of the day, I'm the last person that's gonna sit here and huff and puff about him.

You want to forbid people to critisize Prince?

.

Censurship because you just don't feel like it?

.

I don't agree.

.

I don't want to have to adjust my freedom of expression

because you feel entitled to not wanting to read opinions that are different than yours.

.

Nowhere did I state that I'm forbidding anyone from anything, or asking anyone 2 adjust their opinions. U wanna criticize him? Be my guest. All I'm saying is that the constant bitching and moaning about him gets old, and it's not gonna make me hop on anyone's bandwagon.

Fow what it's worth, Prince mentioned that he love doing what he does for a living because it makes us fans happy, but he loves what he is doing because it makes him happy too. That was what Prince said at the concert on Thursday.

I think consumers as a whole are misguided with a sense of entitlement.

HonestMan13 said:

Se7en said:

HonestMan13 said:

So now it's Prince's fault for having a consistent work ethic over the years. Forget the fact that most fans have spent decades obtaining extra material that wasn't officially released. Also factor in that when he does take more than 10 to 11 months to get to "what's next" his fanbase starts clamoring for 'what's next already?" There's still room for adult responsibilty in being a Prince fan.

I'd love to understand how you inferred, in anything I wrote above, that the fans' sense of entitlement is Prince's fault? . If you read it again, what I'm saying is that - as Prince fans - we were "conditioned" to expect a certain stream of music from him. . I also stated that his stream of music might have hindered our full appreciation of his music, because we're constantly clamoring for what's next instead of fully absorbing and appreciating what's in front of us now.

From the 'so it's not really our fault' part of your statement. And once again due to bootlegs people were "conditioning themselves" to an unrealistic amount of music from him. At the height of bootleging fans were basically buying at least 3 to 4 albums of Prince music a year. If you only bought official releases then you had more than enough time between them to absorb and appreciate what was in front of you. The conditioning you speak of was/is a self inflicted conditon. If you listened to Prince(regarding bootlegging) then at the most you'd of had to spend a year absorbing a triple CD like Emancipation or to the extreme a 4CD set like Crystal Ball. Otherwise it was around or less than 2 dozen songs a year(factoring in CD tracks, remixes and any b-sides).

[Edited 4/20/13 6:39am]

Se7en said:

I agree that Prince's music is art, but he treats it as just a product lately. Get paid first.

.

When Prince hinted that 20Ten would be his last album, sad to say but I was a bit relieved. In a strange way I thought only NOW can I fully absorb this body of work and fully appreciate it.

.

Most musicians release an album every 2-4 years, which means that when their latest album comes out you have about 2 years to absorb it and appreciate it. I think as Prince fans, we don't fully absorb "now" before the "what next" sets in. Again, Prince trained us to act this way, so it's not really our fault.

.

Being a Prince fan is also not "easy". Yes, his music is easy to listen to, but the sheer amount of it makes you an instant collector. 30+ albums is a lot to take in, especially for younger fans who have to go back and find that stuff. I can't imagine discovering his music now and trying to hear it all at once.

I think that,being extremely prolific has been a blessing and a curse for Prince.There's no way that any artist could release that much music and be truly "inspired" everytime.Prince once said that,when he releases a new album and the public is listening to it,he's already onto the next project.There's a good and bad side to that.

Graycap23 said:

MattyJam said:

I mean, you'd think after 30 years of constant ouput people would be thankful the little man is still around and active.

Perhaps being one of the most prolific mainstream artists of recent times has made his fans greedy or given them some kind of misguided notion that they are perhaps entitled to new product from Prince.

How about a little bit of love and appreciation for everything he's given us over the years? Yeah, I know he can be a tool at times, but chances are, if you're reading this, Prince has enriched all our lives with his music and I think that should count for something.

When u grow up with Ferrari's.......................a Porsche just won't do.

I will always adore Prince as a music composer whether he gives us pure freakin DOPE ASS funk

or CRAP..

because I know what he is capable of. He can rock my world, and has a thousand times. I have also put the headphones down and shook my head at recent releases.. its what it is.

He cant please all the time and he really doesnt give a shit

I will always adore Prince as a music composer whether he gives us pure freakin DOPE ASS funk

or CRAP..

because I know what he is capable of. He can rock my world, and has a thousand times. I have also put the headphones down and shook my head at recent releases.. its what it is.

He cant please all the time and he really doesnt give a shit

imago said:

What?


Most folks here would just be happy if they'd get their lotusflow3r t-shirt or npgmc Crystal Ball set.

The rest just want their $77 worth.

Sheit that's why I didnt have the gall to even order it with his track record, shouldnt have done it and wait for a while.

The title of this thread shows a misguided sense of reality, a cramped version of perceptions that some of us might not share.

Can somone please change the title so that we do not hurt the feelings of others that might have experienced a sense of entitlement along the way?