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Thread started 06/12/13 11:33pm

Vannormal

How kitsch is Prince('s music) ?

How kitsch you think Prince is on a scale of ten, concerning his looks and style ?
Then, how kitsch you think his overall musical output is ? I'm not only talking about his sound, but everything. The way he arranges his music, the lyrics, the embellishments, songwriting, etc.
And by naming or saying 'kitsch' I mean it in many ways. It doesn't necessarily have to be only negative. A portion of Kitsch can be really good and interesting.
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I'll give his looks, concepts and style a 7/10
His music a 4/10 (because of the lyrics mostly), IMHO.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #1 posted 06/13/13 12:49am

thedance

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and what is "kitch", define please.

how is "kitch" connected to Prince & his music..?

I'm not sure I understand your post. Maybe you should try the word "Hip"..? wink

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Reply #2 posted 06/13/13 1:07am

Vannormal

thedance said:

and what is "kitch", define please.

how is "kitch" connected to Prince & his music..?

I'm not sure I understand your post. Maybe you should try the word "Hip"..? wink



Kitsch (/ˈkɪtʃ/; loanword from German) The term is generally reserved for unsubstantial or gaudy works, or works that are calculated to have popular appeal.
The concept of kitsch is applied to artwork that was a response to the 19th century art with aesthetics that convey exaggerated sentimentality and melodrama, hence, kitsch art is closely associated with sentimental art.
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Reply #3 posted 06/13/13 1:28am

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^ ok, but what makes me confused (as a non-english): "kitsch" is a rather negative charged word isn't it..?

if you could use "hip", -- this word tells more about Prince, it "suits" him better, his music etc.. it's more "positive".

to me "kitsch" describes something that is rather weird, out-fashioned, old-fashioned, whatever..?


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Reply #4 posted 06/13/13 1:49am

imago

I would place it at about a 6.5 out of 10.I mean, there are times when it is somber and a bit ....earm, high-concept? But, for the most part, the tunes are mostly assessable no matter who you are. [Snip - luv4u]

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Reply #5 posted 06/13/13 3:31am

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Rasberry Beret...

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #6 posted 06/13/13 4:17am

novabrkr

He's more camp than kitsch.

Prince certainly has had his tongue-in-cheek productions, but I've sometimes had to wonder how conscious he's himself been of the cheesiness of songs like "Arms Of Orion", "She Gave Her Angels" or "Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do".

In overall, he is far too experimental with his selection of sounds and his approach to arrangements that he could be ever legitimately called "kitsch". If you do an album like SOTT, regardless of its overall "peppy" tone, you should never be considered kitsch.

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Reply #7 posted 06/13/13 2:17pm

Vannormal

Oh he's certainly not completely kitsch. Indeed he's got quite a camp volume, even in his music.
To me the 1991-1993 era was in style and fashion very kitsch. Horrible in my (humble) opinion. The songs are sometimes horrible too. Real kitsch to me. on Graffiti Bridge, D&P and most of the Emancipation album are quite some kitsch to me. (to name a few):
Graffiti Bridge
Round and Round
Live 4 Love
Walk Don't Walk
Strollin'
Blue Light
I wanna Melt With U
3 Chains O Gold
The segues
Cream (I never liked it)
Peach (same reason)
My Summertime Thang
Emancipation
Somebody's Somebody
Mr. Happy...
Etc

Everyone will have his own unlike list of songs. But to me they feel like kitsch. Like bad taste music. Overdone. Silly. Dull even.
Anyhow. Lovesexy is something else. To me this album and overall style is also kitsch, but in a very positive and acceptable way. I like it. The music absolutely is great. Super. He gets away with his silly outfits here. Most images are Iconic even. Just like his Purple Rain style, which was highly over the top, but absolutely great (kitsch). smile
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