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Reply #60 posted 03/23/13 2:39pm

Javi

djThunderfunk said:

I wrote the above review minutes after finishing and closing the book. I've thought about it a little at work and have a few things to add...

Although Toure's thesis is interesting, it's not enough for a whole book. At 150 pages this is the perhaps the shortest book on Prince I have read. Considering in my opinion the 150 pages could easily be condensed to 100 pages if a good editor removed a lot of the unnecessarily verbose repetition, it's REALLY not enough for a book. Maybe it's enough for about 1/3 of a book. I think he should have done this:

- approx 100 page of bio, not an in depth retread of what can be found in a dozen other books, but a brief recap of Prince's life & career for those that haven't read other bios, and up to date for those that have read others, to at least get a little something new.

- approx 100 pages of this book edited down to be less verbose & repetitive.

- approx 100 pages analyzing the vastness of Prince's discography.

This would have made for a more well-rounded book.

And as I harped on in the other post, for funk's sake, hire someone at Prince Vault to proof read and fact check for you. I just can't get over the factual inaccuracies. It's unforgivable and easily avoidable. For me it knocks all the good qualities down several pegs, because, why should I take a writer seriously who can't be arsed to get his facts right. If your facts are wrong, I have trouble giving a shit about your opinions...

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From what you say, I think it's an interesting read, whether one agress with his thesis or not. Thanks for the review!

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Reply #61 posted 03/23/13 5:24pm

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I am about half way through the book. It is a quick read and I think it's got a great GLOBAL/HISTORICAL view of Prince. The heart of it's thesis is sound as well. As I said, it is a quick read...I just started today.

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Reply #62 posted 03/23/13 6:09pm

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Javi said:

From what you say, I think it's an interesting read, whether one agress with his thesis or not. Thanks for the review!

I do think it's an interesting read, and look forward to debates about the thesis' on the org.

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Reply #63 posted 03/23/13 7:53pm

CocoRock

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errant said:


Toure is a dipshit and his level of commentary doesn't rise above what's to be found on "I heart the '90s"





notice, I didn't say "I heart the '80s." that's how shallow his insight is.





I don't think I would say 'dipshit', but I have NEVER been able to figure out why this guy is considered talented or insightful. I've heard his take on things before, and wasn't terribly impressed.



I'm curious about the book, but honestly can't see how someone (anyone)could pull off a book in which the primary subject is neither interviewed, nor very forthcoming with information. Interviewing those around him can only give you part of the story---remember, ALL these folks are scared of being sued. Given those contraints, I would imagine he filled in the gaps with these broad, sweeping statements, etc.




Couldn't that apply to anyone? confuse
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Reply #64 posted 03/24/13 4:37am

chocolate1

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Bought my copy last night when I went to work at B&N.

The 30% discount will make it an easier read. wink


"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #65 posted 03/24/13 5:45am

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chocolate1 said:

Bought my copy last night when I went to work at B&N.


The 30% discount will make it an easier read. wink





Is there a discount off for the book at B&N bookstores for members.
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Reply #66 posted 03/24/13 5:54am

chocolate1

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BillieSparks said:

chocolate1 said:

Bought my copy last night when I went to work at B&N.

The 30% discount will make it an easier read. wink

Is there a discount off for the book at B&N bookstores for members.

Members save 10%... but it doesn't apply for online purchases.

Shipping would be free in that case.


"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #67 posted 03/24/13 5:59am

BillieSparks

chocolate1 said:



BillieSparks said:


chocolate1 said:

Bought my copy last night when I went to work at B&N.


The 30% discount will make it an easier read. wink





Is there a discount off for the book at B&N bookstores for members.



Members save 10%... but it doesn't apply for online purchases.


Shipping would be free in that case.




Oh ok thanks for the info.
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Reply #68 posted 03/24/13 7:07am

imago

CocoRock said:

imago said:

I don't think I would say 'dipshit', but I have NEVER been able to figure out why this guy is considered talented or insightful. I've heard his take on things before, and wasn't terribly impressed.

I'm curious about the book, but honestly can't see how someone (anyone)could pull off a book in which the primary subject is neither interviewed, nor very forthcoming with information. Interviewing those around him can only give you part of the story---remember, ALL these folks are scared of being sued. Given those contraints, I would imagine he filled in the gaps with these broad, sweeping statements, etc.

Couldn't that apply to anyone? confuse

um. yes?

Which is why is said 'anyone' confuse

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Reply #69 posted 03/24/13 7:18am

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bashraka said:

imago said:

I don't think I would say 'dipshit', but I have NEVER been able to figure out why this guy is considered talented or insightful. I've heard his take on things before, and wasn't terribly impressed.

I'm curious about the book, but honestly can't see how someone with Toure's skills could pull off a book in which the primary subject is neither interviewed, nor very forthcoming with information. Interviewing those around him can only give you part of the story---remember, ALL these folks are scared of being sued. Given those contraints, I would imagine he filled in the gaps with these broad, sweeping statements, etc.

Exactly! Toure makes way too many presumptions about Prince's spirituality and music and Toure and to a lesser extent, Questlove, act like they know Prince better than Prince and come off as male groupies. There's a chapter that really gave me the creeps when a former flame described how he was in bed. I can see why Prince doesn't like giving interviews.

Kind of like 85% of the people posting on this site. Imagine that.

When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #70 posted 03/24/13 7:27am

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HonestMan13 said:

bashraka said:

Exactly! Toure makes way too many presumptions about Prince's spirituality and music and Toure and to a lesser extent, Questlove, act like they know Prince better than Prince and come off as male groupies. There's a chapter that really gave me the creeps when a former flame described how he was in bed. I can see why Prince doesn't like giving interviews.

Kind of like 85% of the people posting on this site. Imagine that.

lol

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Reply #71 posted 03/24/13 8:17am

chocolate1

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HonestMan13 said:

bashraka said:

Exactly! Toure makes way too many presumptions about Prince's spirituality and music and Toure and to a lesser extent, Questlove, act like they know Prince better than Prince and come off as male groupies. There's a chapter that really gave me the creeps when a former flame described how he was in bed. I can see why Prince doesn't like giving interviews.

Kind of like 85% of the people posting on this site. Imagine that.

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Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

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Reply #72 posted 03/24/13 3:35pm

CocoRock

imago said:



CocoRock said:


imago said:




I don't think I would say 'dipshit', but I have NEVER been able to figure out why this guy is considered talented or insightful. I've heard his take on things before, and wasn't terribly impressed.



I'm curious about the book, but honestly can't see how someone (anyone)could pull off a book in which the primary subject is neither interviewed, nor very forthcoming with information. Interviewing those around him can only give you part of the story---remember, ALL these folks are scared of being sued. Given those contraints, I would imagine he filled in the gaps with these broad, sweeping statements, etc.




Couldn't that apply to anyone? confuse



um. yes?


Which is why is said 'anyone' confuse


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Um, yeah, it was I who wrote 'anyone'. YOU wrote 'someone with Toure's skills'. I made it look like it shoulda. Oops. :-o

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Reply #73 posted 03/24/13 8:56pm

KCOOLMUZIQ

Purple Reigns in SoHo

"I think I'm a bigger Prince fan than Touré or anyone else in this room!" said hip-hop DJ and producer DJ Premier, posted up against a shelf of nonfiction books in the Housing Works Bookstore Cafe in SoHo on Friday evening.

"One time, in 1996, Prince told me he was a fan of my group and I almost fainted," added the ordinarily stoic DJ Premier, cracking a smile.

Hundreds of die-hard Prince fans packed Housing Works for an all-Prince dance party celebrating the release of "I Would Die 4 U: Why Prince Became an Icon," the new book on Prince by author Touré, who also co-hosts a show on MSNBC.

Cassandra Giraldo for The Wall Street Journal

From left: Sade Lythcott, Rita Nakouzi, author Touré, singer and songwriter Manjit, and Katia Aurora.

Looking out over the rollicking crowd from the store's second-floor mezzanine, Touré, wearing a purple velvet tie for the occasion, recounted some of the joys and frustrations of writing about Prince.

Cassandra Giraldo for The Wall Street Journal

Music was spun by Ali Shaheed Muhammad from A Tribe Called Quest

"In 1998, I interviewed Prince for a story," said Touré. "He doesn't allow interviewers to take any notes now, but back then, he would allow you to write out your notes longhand. The problem with that is that you can't get everything, because he speaks in this incredibly florid, almost Shakespearean way. I would look back at my notes afterwards and not know what they meant!"

The book began as a series of three one-hour lectures that Touré delivered at Harvard, but Touré added several months of research and writing to those lectures.

Cassandra Giraldo for The Wall Street Journal

Joe Levy

"One of the most surprising things I learned about Prince while I was researching the book came from Dez Dickerson, an original member of Prince's band," Touré said. "Dickerson said that very early in Prince's career, he sat his band down and said to them, 'Okay, all of us need to have a thing. My thing is pure sex. You each need to think about what your thing is.'"

Cassandra Giraldo for The Wall Street Journal

Gloria Echeverry Martinez shows off her Prince tattoo

A handful of Touré's colleagues from MSNBC came out to support the author and, of course, to cut a rug. Standing by the bar next to the Nation's Ari Melber, MSNBC contributor Jimmy Williams explained that Touré had written an amazing book about Prince and then took a moment to fondly recall a high-school date.

"I remember taking a girl named Missy Higgs to see 'Purple Rain.' We had such a great time," he said nostalgically.

Joy-Ann Reid, another MSNBC contributor, noted that she grew up listening to Prince. "I thought I was a true Prince fan, but Touré's book brought out aspects of the music that I totally missed. It's easy to miss the spirituality."

Touré invited Ali Shaheed Muhammad, the DJ from legendary 1990's rap group A Tribe Called Quest, to spin an all-Prince set. "DJing all Prince songs gets a little challenging after two-and-a half-hours," he admitted. Mr. Muhammad was eager to detail his own run-in with the Purple One.

"In 1991 or 1992, he booked A Tribe Called Quest to play in Minneapolis. We didn't get to meet him then, but a couple years later, he was playing in New York and he invited us to his after-after-show," explained Mr. Muhammad.

"The after-after-show," he said again. "You know Prince has a history of playing nonstop music."

Gloria Echeverry Martinez, who got Prince's "love symbol" tattooed on her shoulder when she was 22 (and wore a dress proudly exposing the tattoo), spent the evening in ecstasy.

"Prince is my favorite everything," she said. "The only thing I regret about this tattoo is that the purple is not as bright as it used to be," she said, laughing, before returning to the dance floor.

Yusef Salaam, one of the subjects of the 2012 documentary "The Central Park Five," was taking in Mr. Muhammad's DJ set in the back of the store when technical difficulties cut the music out for about thirty seconds.

"Oh no! Not on this song! This is 'Adore.' This is one of the best Prince songs," said Mr. Salaam. Luckily for Mr. Muhammad, the crowd picked up where Prince left off and erupted into a singalong.

At the end of the night, Mr. Muhammad took the microphone and summed up the party: "We turned this bookstore out!"

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #74 posted 03/24/13 9:06pm

CocoRock

^^^ That story was worth reading if for nothing else than the DJ Premier blurb!

Prince is a Gang Starr fan?! Who knew?! cool
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Reply #75 posted 03/24/13 11:49pm

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wow his rambling on and on about "gen x" was beyond annoying and i wanted to punch him in the back of the head! mad i forgot for a sec i was reading a book about PRINCE "the concept of generation x is real" shut the hell up! omg he comes off as some old man telling conspiracy theory stories on his front porch to anybody willing to listen...skipped soooo many pages. 8 dollas was too much for this. So far the only good part is when he mentions playing basketball with him in 98...so far so crappy...eh neutral

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Reply #76 posted 03/25/13 2:57am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Purple Reigns in SoHo

(Article with pictures)

I was there with wonder505 and some friends. We had such a good time!

The pictures in the article do not even begin to show the scope of the party...

They were taken earlier in the evening.

I took this one from upstairs. That was only one half of the room. I didn't feel like walking to the other half to shoot the front of the store.

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2398_zps4ef06b24.jpg[/img:$uid]

Ali Shaheed Muhammad from A Tribe Called Quest:

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2387_zps8f96cd4c.jpg[/img:$uid]

wonder505 made me crop her out! hmph! lol

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2414_zps515f9c29.jpg[/img:$uid]


"Love Hurts.
Your lies, they cut me.
Now your words don't mean a thing.
I don't give a damn if you ever loved me..."

-Cher, "Woman's World"
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Reply #77 posted 03/25/13 4:01am

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I haven't read the book yet, but I do plan on buying it. From an excerpt I read (about Generation X), it seems like it will be a good -- if short -- read.

Most articles/stories I've read about Prince seem to focus on the RISE part of his career. The heyday. The writers fluff over the darker, late-90s to early-2000s times. After Musicology was deemed a comeback, everything since has maintained (at least in a historical sense) that momentum.

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Reply #78 posted 03/25/13 6:37am

KCOOLMUZIQ

chocolate1 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Purple Reigns in SoHo

(Article with pictures)

I was there with wonder505 and some friends. We had such a good time!

The pictures in the article do not even begin to show the scope of the party...

They were taken earlier in the evening.

I took this one from upstairs. That was only one half of the room. I didn't feel like walking to the other half to shoot the front of the store.

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2398_zps4ef06b24.jpg[/img:$uid]

Ali Shaheed Muhammad from A Tribe Called Quest:

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2387_zps8f96cd4c.jpg[/img:$uid]

wonder505 made me crop her out! hmph! lol

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2414_zps515f9c29.jpg[/img:$uid]

Wow! That's gr8...Looks like a real purple party....More so then the Carnegie....

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #79 posted 03/25/13 7:30am

wonder505

chocolate1 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Purple Reigns in SoHo

(Article with pictures)

I was there with wonder505 and some friends. We had such a good time!

The pictures in the article do not even begin to show the scope of the party...

They were taken earlier in the evening.

I took this one from upstairs. That was only one half of the room. I didn't feel like walking to the other half to shoot the front of the store.

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2398_zps4ef06b24.jpg[/img:$uid]

Ali Shaheed Muhammad from A Tribe Called Quest:

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2387_zps8f96cd4c.jpg[/img:$uid]

wonder505 made me crop her out! hmph! lol

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2414_zps515f9c29.jpg[/img:$uid]

Great photos! That party was too much fun. Something about hearing Prince music loud with a crowd dancing and singing all the words. Still wondering about Darling Nikki, did the DJ speed up the record or was that the Camille version cuz that was crazy!! cool

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Reply #80 posted 03/25/13 7:49am

rdhull

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wonder505 said:

chocolate1 said:

I was there with wonder505 and some friends. We had such a good time!

The pictures in the article do not even begin to show the scope of the party...

They were taken earlier in the evening.

I took this one from upstairs. That was only one half of the room. I didn't feel like walking to the other half to shoot the front of the store.

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2398_zps4ef06b24.jpg[/img:$uid]

Ali Shaheed Muhammad from A Tribe Called Quest:

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2387_zps8f96cd4c.jpg[/img:$uid]

wonder505 made me crop her out! hmph! lol

[img:$uid]http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l256/Teacher_06/Dance%20Parties%202013/Library-2414_zps515f9c29.jpg[/img:$uid]

Great photos! That party was too much fun. Something about hearing Prince music loud with a crowd dancing and singing all the words. Still wondering about Darling Nikki, did the DJ speed up the record or was that the Camille version cuz that was crazy!! cool

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whyd u cut your pic off?

"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #81 posted 03/25/13 7:55am

wonder505

rdhull said:

wonder505 said:

Great photos! That party was too much fun. Something about hearing Prince music loud with a crowd dancing and singing all the words. Still wondering about Darling Nikki, did the DJ speed up the record or was that the Camille version cuz that was crazy!! cool

[Edited 3/25/13 7:31am]

whyd u cut your pic off?

I was never into having my pics on public forums. I rather post pics on fb where I can set my own privacy controls, the best way I can ofcourse. lol

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Reply #82 posted 03/25/13 7:59am

rdhull

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wonder505 said:

rdhull said:

whyd u cut your pic off?

I was never into having my pics on public forums. I rather post pics on fb where I can set my own privacy controls, the best way I can ofcourse. lol

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true

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Reply #83 posted 03/25/13 9:36am

LittleNicci

i read the book on Friday after ordering it in Jan so was excited always love new books about Prince. Its short, an interesting read but more an essay than a book. The mistakes are unforgiveable. There are a few things in there that I was shocked at, for a journalist to regurgitate heresay - surely that can't be right? no names of sources so could just be made up - some of it sounds true and some cannot be true and pains me that private stuff should be left alone. It aint right.

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Reply #84 posted 03/25/13 11:44am

Timmy84

Toure is what I would call a "tryhard". neutral

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Reply #85 posted 03/25/13 11:47am

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Timmy84 said:

Toure is what I would call a "tryhard". neutral

exclaim lol

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Reply #86 posted 03/26/13 4:37pm

MadamGoodnight

Timmy84 said:

Toure is what I would call a "tryhard". neutral

lol razz

*snicker*

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Reply #87 posted 03/26/13 8:34pm

bashraka

After reading the book, I ran across a review of this book on Amazon and one person, suggested to check out the book from the library because it's not worth buying. Toure's writing is overly wordy and he belabors the Generation X point to the point of nauseu. Toure and to a degree Questlove, do not make good musicologists and like someone else mentioned, the inaccuracies are inexcusable. Using quotes from Prince's former lovers describing how he was in bed was creepy. Toure sounds like a male groupie more than a journalist both in the book and on this press tour. Prince is still a mystery to me because as much as I appreciate the input of his former band members, these folks were in Prince's life for a few years, so unless these folks were there from jump and still there, then it's incomplete.

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Reply #88 posted 03/27/13 6:48am

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bashraka said:

After reading the book, I ran across a review of this book on Amazon and one person, suggested to check out the book from the library because it's not worth buying. Toure's writing is overly wordy and he belabors the Generation X point to the point of nauseu. Toure and to a degree Questlove, do not make good musicologists and like someone else mentioned, the inaccuracies are inexcusable. Using quotes from Prince's former lovers describing how he was in bed was creepy. Toure sounds like a male groupie more than a journalist both in the book and on this press tour. Prince is still a mystery to me because as much as I appreciate the input of his former band members, these folks were in Prince's life for a few years, so unless these folks were there from jump and still there, then it's incomplete.

Great. You just boosted sales among the "can't get enough of the horny details, maybe they'll talk about his dick" contingent. rolleyes

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Reply #89 posted 03/27/13 12:24pm

KDN

colorblu said:

There was a story on Prince this morning on the NBC Today show. It showed shots of Prince performances guitar Then they were talking to the writer of a book who had many flattering things to say about Prince.

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