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Printablewarning2all said:[quote] namepeace said: rdhull said: NuPwrSoul said: In a lot of interpretations and critical reviews of Prince's music, critics usually seem to be coming from a rock context that devalues the R&B elements of P's music. Coming from the perspective that they do, it is no surprise that they often mourn for the Wendy & Lisa days/Revolution days.
Understood. However comma -- P made some of his funkiest cuts ever when the Rev was in the cut. Love or $. The long stroke of Raspberry Beret. Lady Cab Driver. 17 Days. Hello. Most critics ignore jams like those. The world doesn't mourn for W&L, they miss the catchy POP singles. D&P's success shows that. Prince is best at writing POP music.He just is.Fans like you cannot come to terms with that, you think everything Prince does is a shining example of talent. Nope. His r&b is passable and compitent, but not especially noteworthy. He can do good funk, but nothing radically revolutionary (no pun intended).Same with this new jazz kick. Since 'The Black Album', Prince has had a hard time dealing with claims of being too white; he's trying to show blackness in his music. He has a hard time accepting that he IS better at writing catchy pop tunes. He wants to be a black funk/r&b performer, but it's "Raspberry Beret", "Lets Go Crazy", and "Diamonds and Pearls" that makes the world pay attention, makes critics take note and investigate his music more.Deservedly so. Those are solid tunes. Tell me, NewPowerSoul, why should any critic or music lover really appreciate: Rave un2 the Joy Fantastic Newpower Soul Chaos and Disorder Come The Vault GOld Experience ...and so on? In the grand scheme of music history, or pop culture, these just aren't especially noteworthy albums.You may dig them. I dig them.But they just are truly variations of things Prince had done before, and mostly better. Where's the news in that? It may be hard for a Prince fan to admit- but those just aren't trendsetting, original, or great works. Sorry. what it all comes down to is songwriting that has mass appeal- his r&b music just cannot touch his pop compositions. I've seen you slam the Revolution on this post before, could it be that you are insecure that the world just may be right, and the trail DOES get drier after the Revolution disbanded? I think so. Come to terms with it. Deal. Speaking for myself,I actually prefer Prince's R&B/funk tracks as opposed to his pop efforts.Give me "Lady Cab Driver" over "Raspberry Beret" anyday.But that's just my little opinion. | |
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It annoys me that i go into a record store and Prince is in the 'Pop/Rock' section and any associated artists like say, Sheila E are in the 'RnB' section.
Same goes for one of Prince's peers and his darker sister?  |
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Totally agree NPS, I wasn't feeling the underlaying agenda Alex Hahn seems to bring in that piece. The book may need to be taken with a pinch of salt as it's written from the perspective of a guy who only seems to follow alt-rock music and 80s Prince is as soul/funk as it gets.
Uptown as a whole has always been on the Wendy&Lisa/Rock bias while turning a semi-blind eye to the more rootsy feel of the 90s. This may be just be a European thing but worth noting nonetheless... | |
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Marrk said: It annoys me that i go into a record store and Prince is in the 'Pop/Rock' section and any associated artists like say, Sheila E are in the 'RnB' section.
Same goes for one of Prince's peers and his darker sister? Who dat den? | |
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ConsciousContact said: Marrk said: It annoys me that i go into a record store and Prince is in the 'Pop/Rock' section and any associated artists like say, Sheila E are in the 'RnB' section.
Same goes for one of Prince's peers and his darker sister? Who dat den? MJ & Janet I guess, considering it's Marrk talking. Whichever way it's buttered up "R&B" is seen as a sub genre and when major popularity is achieved you become "pop/rock" whether the label fits or not... you've crossed over. | |
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PLEASE EXCUSE ME!!!
I thought this was another thread. Now Back 2 My Crack~ LOL | |
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Anyone who claims that P's R&B and soul creations are simply "passable" are not really being honest with themselves. His R&B ballads are legendary for those of us who like black music...HENCE his obvious influence on nearly every "Neo-Soul" artist out there. Some even try to sound EXACTLY like him...but his black music is average??? LMAO!!!
From the time of Purple Rain's (one of my LEAST favorite P albums, and I do love rock) mainstream acclaim, too many people have placed the "Rock Artist" label on P. Critics have always looked at P's music with a jaundiced eye...if it's a pop or rock based album, then it gets critical acclaim, but if it's funk, soul, or R&B, they are quick to act as if he is no longer musically relavent. Personally, I've always seen him as a soul/funk artist who occasionally plays rock (and does so very well). When I listen to his music, I hear James Brown, Sly Stone, & Curtis Mayfield first...then I hear the Hendrix and other rock influences when he plays guitar. It's funny how many of these pop/rock artists get lauded as the greatest artists of the last 30 years, when you could take any style of P's music and still compile as much or more outstanding work (in their own genres) than these supposed "greats" of our time. Sadly, it looks as if P will not be appeciated for his true musical stature until he's no longer with us. Then maybe they could see what many of us already know, that not only is P one of the most prolific artists ever, but likely the most talented and diverse artists ever to grace the music scene. ______________________________________
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for NWp-soul and codshot...I'M WITH YA points all da way.
Prince will not be appreciated by the critics until he is gone to the next world. its always been like that. critics as a rule GO overboard on an artist once they're gone. a classic example was LENNON. As good as he was-i remember him getting SLammed to death for a lot of the work he did (particularly the stuff he did with Yoko) then once he DIES they MAKE him GOD. and turn on his writing partner & childhood friend MCCArtney. (who's just as good and a better musician!) prince is a revolutionary ARTISt and all revolutionaries tend to have more enemies than FANS. fortunately all fo us KNOW da real deal about P! the little guy is BAD an' dats' the fact JACK! | |
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