1999!!!!!!!

The only big hit I really don't care for, or rather just sick of hearing is 'Cream' - all the other biggies like Raspberry Beret, Alphabet St, LRC - I still find these to be listenable and still enjoy their charm. Some I have to be in the right mood for - Purple Rain and Thieves In The Temple don't often get a spin, but I still like them.

OldFriends4Sale said:

callimnate said:

Dont forget that this song is now 30 years old.

Yes. Today it sounds cheesy.

But fmd back then, you could make a girl cum just by having it playing in the background!

I dont think it sounds cheesy at all,

anyone who doesnt like the lp cut needs to listen to the 1999tour or PRtour live versions

calllimnat- oh i believe you lol, The age might have to do with it. but on the other hand. im in love with "do me baby"

OldFreind- the song and the lyrics are not cheesy, just the whole beginining speil kind of set me off. I watched him perform this on the 85 live show. and herd a few boots that herd does a remarkable job vocally.. I think its just my ear when it comes to the synth melody.

nyse said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I dont think it sounds cheesy at all,

anyone who doesnt like the lp cut needs to listen to the 1999tour or PRtour live versions

calllimnat- oh i believe you lol, The age might have to do with it. but on the other hand. im in love with "do me baby"

OldFreind- the song and the lyrics are not cheesy, just the whole beginining speil kind of set me off. I watched him perform this on the 85 live show. and herd a few boots that herd does a remarkable job vocally.. I think its just my ear when it comes to the synth melody.

International Lover isn't my favorite on the album, it's not a fav, but I do love the live versions

It failed where Do Me Baby & If the Kid Can't Make U Come succeded

To the original question, there aren't really any acclaimed songs that I dislike. If I look at The Hits/B-Sides, for example, most of those songs are awesome. There are a couple that I didn't like at first -- "Cream" and "Alphabet Street" come to mind -- but I like them now. Hmm, is "My Name Is Prince" acclaimed? That might be the only one.

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the whole "rainbow children" album. don't get the darth vader voice, don't get the story, don't care. i like the way it all sounds, it's recorded and played beautifully, but don't get it and don't get why people love it so much.

i really love "musicology" and "2010"- and don't understand why people are lukewarm about them.

and i'm OLD SKOOL. i bought "1999" the month it came out, and became a lifelong fan; i've weathered some disastrous output from prince. i know it was a return to form, but try as i might i can't do "rainbow children."

There are lots of Prince's mainstream hits I don't care for that much (even in the 80s):

Dirty Mind, 1999, Delirious, LRC, U got the look, Thieves, Gett Off, Cream, D&P, Money don't matter tonight, Sexy MF, My name, 7, TMBGIW etc.

That's why I usually don't listen to the hits collections.

funkomatic said:

There are lots of Prince's mainstream hits I don't care for that much (even in the 80s):

Dirty Mind, 1999, Delirious, LRC, U got the look, Thieves, Gett Off, Cream, D&P, Money don't matter tonight, Sexy MF, My name, 7, TMBGIW etc.

That's why I usually don't listen to the hits collections.

I never thought of Dirty Mind as a mainstream hit

OldFriends4Sale said:

funkomatic said:

There are lots of Prince's mainstream hits I don't care for that much (even in the 80s):

Dirty Mind, 1999, Delirious, LRC, U got the look, Thieves, Gett Off, Cream, D&P, Money don't matter tonight, Sexy MF, My name, 7, TMBGIW etc.

That's why I usually don't listen to the hits collections.

I never thought of Dirty Mind as a mainstream hit

Whatever you wanna call it. Still. it was a single release that ended up on Prince's hits collection.

funkomatic said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I never thought of Dirty Mind as a mainstream hit

Whatever you wanna call it. Still. it was a single release that ended up on Prince's hits collection.

all the other songs that you mentioned...yes, especially when he went Hollywood 1990's

Raspberry Beret never did much for me. It's an ok pop song but I never really got why it's considered a classic. I always thought that U Got the Look sounded like a Jordache Jeans commercial when it came out and I never really understood all the over for that song. The lyrics are silly and as far as "rock" Prince songs go, I think it's one of the weaker ones. I never got all the love for Empty Room either. I think it benefits from the added mystique of being an unreleased track more than it should. If it were included on a regular release, it would just be another song. Lastly, Alphabet Street has never really grabbed me. It's just a simple little riff over a really plastic beat with a god-awful rap thrown into it. I always thought it was one of the weaker songs on Lovesexy and a really bad choice as a lead single.

^Oh come on, the groove of Alphabet St. is irresistible.

I don't think there is any better single material than this one on Lovesexy.

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funkomatic said:

^Oh come on, the groove of Alphabet St. is irresistible.

What groove?

^ this thread.

funkomatic said:

^Oh come on, the groove of Alphabet St. is irresistible.

I don't think there is any better single material than this one on Lovesexy.

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Lovesexy 12" 28 minute version. On the B-side, Superfunky 18 minute job and 10 minutes of something we didn't hear. Anyone want that 12"?

I agree.I always thought it was a silly song.The only good thing about it is the video.

herb4 said:

Raspberry Beret never did much for me. It's an ok pop song but I never really got why it's considered a classic.

rdhull said:

funkomatic said:

^Oh come on, the groove of Alphabet St. is irresistible.

What groove?

I should have known that you can't expect a Rolling Stones fan to know what a groove is.

funkomatic said:

rdhull said:

What groove?

I should have known that you can't expect a Rolling Stones fan to know what a groove is.

Oh no Mister! The Rolling Stones rock AND got a lot of groove. Don't forget they've been just influenced by blues and rhythm and blues in the same measure.

NouveauDance said:

The only big hit I really don't care for, or rather just sick of hearing is 'Cream' - all the other biggies like Raspberry Beret, Alphabet St, LRC - I still find these to be listenable and still enjoy their charm. Some I have to be in the right mood for - Purple Rain and Thieves In The Temple don't often get a spin, but I still like them.

Yes, but from this point of view you're naming songs that you got sick or almost because you listened to them so much. But was there any acclaimed song you got never to dig? Album track or hit single?

OldFriends4Sale said:

PurpleKnight said:

Yes, and? The most inspiration and passion I've personally ever heard was a speech I watched on TV by Adolf Hitler. That doesn't mean I can enjoy the speech and just ignore the meaning of the content. No, I am not saying TRC is purely hateful. I am simply stating that the meaning of the content ought to matter. To deny that is superficial and ignorant.

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That's only if you really listen to the lyrics, which in 1/2 the songs he riddles out the lyrics that I don't try to hear it, only a few songs do I sorta know the lyrics:Rainbow Children, She Loves me 4 Me, Everywhere, the Feast(?) the rest is a mix of Princefables (most of that isn't even JW doctrine) there is prob more reference to Egyptology that JW add to that, that Prince created some kind of story with characters, I don't know what he is saying

So it's not superficial, ignorant only in that I have not searched out the lyrics

and his statement still stands:You can hear inspiration and passion on TRC, whereas later albums sound like they were just the result of Prince doing a job.

Gentlemen's disagreement. Much more pleasent to read than many other threads that go....

"this artist is better than another because of 200 thousaund sold concert tickets, 30 number one hits, millions of viewers in television, is more fashion foward, you got to see him a lot on tv and 10 times on Oprah blablabla...."

Silly but there are a LOT of threads that discuss music, or rather given artist's superiority over other artists, based on this kind of arguments.

herb4 said:

U Got the Look sounded like a Jordache Jeans commercial when it came out and I never really understood all the over for that song. The lyrics are silly and as far as "rock" Prince songs go, I think it's one of the weaker ones.

Maybe you'd be bored or disappointed for the fact that, while this song is energetic and direct, it contrasts with simplistic lyrics. I understand your point. But in defense of this songs, I'll use this phrase from Prince's profile on Rolling Stone magazine:

"U Got the Look" is what funk metal might have sounded like if it weren't for slap-bass.

I agree with that, it's a great genre mix, and can't remember another song that pushed funk over 80's big sounded arena heavy metal with this efficiency.

Alphabet Street has never really grabbed me. It's just a simple little riff over a really plastic beat with a god-awful rap thrown into it.

I think Alphabet Street was mainly intended to be some very unpre­ten­tious ludic piece. Just like La La La He He Hee with that cat-dog tale. And somewhat I'm not annoyed by Cat's raps in Lovesexy, I think it goes with the record, and she's very far from the sufferable Tony M. And I disagree with you about the riff, it's groovy and fun.

Raspberry Beret never did much for me. It's an ok pop song but I never really got why it's considered a classic. I always thought that.

It's far from an ok pop song for me. It's got the melodic enchantment you find in Lennon/McCarney's best pop gems (Penny Lane, for instance). Also, it's got the psychedelic feel that reminds of the Beatles' (and other bands) work in 66-67. (Same can be said for Around the world in a day, Paisley Park and Christopher Tracy's parade). I love the use of violins in it. Great arrangement.

And I think it's one of his best lyrics. Great metaphors, about the girls clothes (and habits), the overcast sky (and the feelings his muse was giving him), and character description (like the verses "Seems that I was busy doing something close 2 nothing, But different than the day before" and "She wasn't 2 bright, But I could tell, when she kissed me, She knew how 2 get her kicks"). And, overall, the pretty story it tells. For me, a great song in every aspect.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

PurpleKnight said:

Yes, and? The most inspiration and passion I've personally ever heard was a speech I watched on TV by Adolf Hitler. That doesn't mean I can enjoy the speech and just ignore the meaning of the content. No, I am not saying TRC is purely hateful. I am simply stating that the meaning of the content ought to matter. To deny that is superficial and ignorant.

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That's only if you really listen to the lyrics, which in 1/2 the songs he riddles out the lyrics that I don't try to hear it, only a few songs do I sorta know the lyrics:Rainbow Children, She Loves me 4 Me, Everywhere, the Feast(?) the rest is a mix of Princefables (most of that isn't even JW doctrine) there is prob more reference to Egyptology that JW add to that, that Prince created some kind of story with characters, I don't know what he is saying

So it's not superficial, ignorant only in that I have not searched out the lyrics

and his statement still stands:You can hear inspiration and passion on TRC, whereas later albums sound like they were just the result of Prince doing a job.

I keep remembering of the antisemitism on Wagner's work reading your discussion about the lyrical content on TRC.

Definitely "Diamonds and Pearls." It was crap the day I first heard it and it's even worse now. Embarassing. I have a friend who refuses to acknowledge Prince's greatness because the songs he associates with him are "D&P" and "Betcha By Golly Wow," which is another horrendous song, but considering it's anything BUT acclaimed I didn't include it in this thread.

funkomatic said:

rdhull said:

What groove?

I should have known that you can't expect a Rolling Stones fan to know what a groove is.

^^ignorant and also thinks "hey..ho ..alphabet street" is a groove

rdhull said:

funkomatic said:

I should have known that you can't expect a Rolling Stones fan to know what a groove is.

^^ignorant and also thinks "hey..ho ..alphabet street" is a groove

How could I even dare to discredit the Rolling Stones, the personification of groove complexity and tightness! My sincerest apologies...

funkomatic said:

rdhull said:

^^ignorant and also thinks "hey..ho ..alphabet street" is a groove

How could I even dare to discredit the Rolling Stones, the personification of groove complexity and tightness! My sincerest apologies...

I understood that Purple Rain may be over the top or too lenghty for some, but will please someone give a hint on why so many fans are saying that Little Red Corvette, Raspberry Beret and Kiss they never got to like? Cause if these songs are not to be liked, I don't know WHAT it is to be liked about Prince. Don't mean to be disrespectful, I respect everyone's taste and points, just like to understand.

theblueangel said:

"Betcha By Golly Wow," which is another horrendous song, but considering it's anything BUT acclaimed I didn't include it in this thread.

I love the original Stylistic's version. It's one of the best soul music recordings of all time. totally understood why Prince wanted to record it. It's gorgeous. His version may not be so good, but the song itself is a classic.

BrazilianOnRaspberryBeret said:

I understood that Purple Rain may be over the top or too lenghty for some, but will please someone give a hint on why so many fans are saying that Little Red Corvette, Raspberry Beret and Kiss they never got to like? Cause if these songs are not to be liked, I don't know WHAT it is to be liked about Prince. Don't mean to be disrespectful, I respect everyone's taste and points, just like to understand.

Hmm, a quick reply that won't answer your question...

I really understand why the band REM are so widely respected BUT I really don't enjoy them. I know I should but they just don't click. The same can be said for LRC and RB. I can hear Prince's brilliance within each song but I just don't enjoy the harmonies and melodies. I used to think it was due to the ubiquitousness of them but I finally realised they just don't click with me.

The structure of each song is pure genius. I can hear that clearly. But just because I am able to recognise and comprehend something does not mean I neccessarily find any enjoyment in it.

Santana. Yes I know he's very, very good. But to me it's my idea of being stuck in the lift to Hell. Piped Santana would be my taste of the torture to come. I'd probably have to share it with Liza Minnelli.

ACDC. How can people not hear the BEST guitar riffs ever played when they listen to the album Back in Black!?

Celery. It's poisonous. It tastes like dandelions. But some people love it. Obviously they're not wrong.

XFactor/Pop Idol. Who am I to say that the people listening to the artists aren't really enjoying themselves? Yes they have terribly underdeveloped taste in music but I can't criticise someone for not maturing.

And so it still is for Raspberry Beret and Little Red Corvette. The sheer joy of Prince is having so much to choose from. So someone really enjoys MPLSound and not Lovesexy. It's good for music, good for discussion, good for Prince and good for them. It's sad that they can't hear the awesome, fucking brilliance of the latter and be able to see the massive creative difference between the two albums but it's okay.

On a side note, I think most of the bands and artists they talk about on Other Artists are fucking shite. Not my cup of tea at all. Most of it is generic, post-80s, American, black music. A whole country of immigration, hardship, gross wealth, extreme poverty, angst, war, racial tension and diversity yet Michael and Janet are the only two artists they can talk about. Now that warrants real discussion! Lol!

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ACDC are soooo shit though. Lovesexy. X-Flatuar = the evil ones.