Like I said, this version (the version being discussed here) has been tagged... I don't know who "authorizes" anything, just saying that this "new" version has been tagged prior to it being shared to a select few...
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play it back to back with the newer version of Can I play with u = amazing !. | |
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what's with all the pseudo cia stancing about who shared what and wether it's been tagged or not?
someone obviously had this, and that same someone made copies or willingly shared them with a select few others.
in this day and age, you know that stuff is going to leak. so why share it even with a select few if it's that important that it stay behind closed doors?
it's childish to first allow others, however few, to have a copy and to then come on a public thread about the material to start acting like heads are going to roll or like no one is ever going to get an outtake again because 1 or 2 people couldn't keep their end of the deal and not circulate stuff.
if stuff has been stolen from you, or your computer has been hacked into, that's another matter. than again, we're talking stuff that's being traded on the dl since it's stolen goods to start with
whatever. intentional or contrary to direct orders, i'm still thankful to whomever put this out there for all of us to enjoy. a great little tune from a great era. excellent stuff.
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these covert traders who keep a stockpile of stuff that they don't want to share with everyone are a really bizarre bunch. I'm not really sure what the purpose of it is, other than to say "Oh, I heard/have this, and you don't, and if you suck my balls really good, I might let you hear a 30 second snippet of it to prove how utterly superior to you I am as a fan and insider."
buncha fucking douchebags. I hope someone hacks into all their hard drives and spreads whatever they've got all over the internet. | |
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Oh settle down.
Speading theories? What did I start before??? Go jump someone else's shit. If you could read I pretty much admit I have no clue how these get leaked and that I was talking out my ass.
The fact still remains up til 1996 he still shared tapes etc. He didn't figure out before that folks can't be trusted with it and stuff would eventually leak?
Obviously my comment regarding the timing of these releases would indicate Prince has nothing to do with these leaks.
I do believe he has some thought in the back of his mind as what to do with his vault material after he passes on just by his comment on the most recent appearance on the View. "Hey, I got the butta 4 ya muffin, honey.. I'm just 2 old 2 hold the knife!" | |
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Over the last 15 years there have been shitloads of posts on various Prince fora or NG's or whatever about why people can't/won't/don't share outtakes... Next time do a fucking search and inform yourself...
And another thing about this "new" outtake, it was tagged back in 1998/1999 and shared with a select few, what happened in the last 13 years nobody knows but the initial bunch who had it have been marked... Just saying...
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Oh... I had not understood that the leaked version had the same tag as the "chosen few" version. So... this means only this one song and nothing else? A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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I don't keep up anymore what's being "leaked" or sneakily released on youtube or wherever else on the internet, but the "leaked" versions I've heard lately of Lisa's "Our Destiny", "American in Paris", "Go" (not tagged but severly watered down) "Dorothy Parker" and "Stimulation #2" are all the tagged versions from way back when (1995-2003) I don't know whatever else has been "leaked" lately and frankly don't care anymore... Shit got shared (tagged or watered down) a long time ago to mark some people and it's funny to see these versions rearing their heads finally after all these years...
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Totally out of topic I'll take this opportunity, because I don't think I ever did it before, to tell you that Like Weather may be one of the most beautiful songs ever recorded, and definitely one of my favorite songs ever. I actually wrote a couple of really cool poems while listening to it back in 2006 so I owe you one. Thanks for releasing this gem
Back to topic, well, I'm not sure I get it all because I'm not sure who wanted what (leak or not leak) and who did what (sharing with selected folks, sharing with everyone) in the parties involved, but I guess that means nothing else coming and that's a pity
What I seem to understand is that there are some people who have uncirculating stuff who want to share it and some who don't. I'm not going to go judmental on those who don't, I'm sure they have their reasons and it's a free world anyway. I just read between lines that both Perfect Unreleased Prince and this new leak made some people unhappy. But it seems -from what a few clues suggest- that the 2 leaks came from 2 different people. And on the other hand I remember some promises were made for more uncirculating stuff 2 or 3 years back, by yet other people who said that they felt it was a moral obligation to leave such a precious heritage to humanity since no one knows if Prince will release any of it, and that they were going to "remaster" and share that stuff, little by little. And then Parade Demos, Box Of Chocolate, several rehearsals and 2 versions of Exodus and finally the 4 outtakes last spring surfaced but all on different free-boots labels, which made it even more confusing. And "you-know-who", who supposedly had more stuff to share than he already had, but didn't want to, just let 10,000 Wallpaper get out (though, I'll give you that, nothing on it was new, only with better sound quality). And then came Perfect, and now this... So I wonder what's coming... or not. What is supposed to be coming with everyone involved agreeing to it, and what may be coming despite some people not wanting it. It's like there is a secret story happening behind the curtains and we only get glimpses of it, and it's sooooo frustrating and intriguing A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Haven't we already been through all this, word for word, countless times on countless topics, or was it someone else? A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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This is a cool track.
I like the overall sound and vibe a little bit more than the Madhouse stuff. I find the Madhouse records oddly restrained and this sounds at least a little bit wilder. However, based on this track alone I find Eric Leeds' comments about the "Flesh sessions" having been "the closest thing" they ever got to recording jazz a bit odd. I wouldn't call this one jazz or even jazz-funk - it's really just instrumental funk - but it could be of course that the other Flesh tracks have more of a proper jazz feel to them. It's not unusual for Prince to conclude an album with an uplifting, more straightforward funk track.
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? Dorothy Parker and Stimulation are out there??? Since when????
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I think Eric meant the band recordings, not this one track in particular. And IIRC he meant a jazz "spirit", not a jazz sound per se. What he said (once again IIRC, I read this a few years back) was that Prince never played jazz in the traditionnal sense but that there was more jazz ethics in some of Prince's impro sessions than in some jazz bands he's played with earlier in his life, and for that reason I guess he liked The Flesh and 16 more than 8 and 24 which were just Prince in the studio. A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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1st post by me on the subject ever. "Hey, I got the butta 4 ya muffin, honey.. I'm just 2 old 2 hold the knife!" | |
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Well... For me it's a loop... A neverending loop... Some people said what you said, word for word, and I told 'em what I told you, word for word, and they reacted the way you did, word for word A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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Wow that would really be awesome. Like I mentioned earlier, I'm so happy to finally hear some of these gems. I honestly didn't ever think I'd hear them, let alone in good quality. Still so much out there. "Hey, I got the butta 4 ya muffin, honey.. I'm just 2 old 2 hold the knife!" | |
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Understood. It's all good. "Hey, I got the butta 4 ya muffin, honey.. I'm just 2 old 2 hold the knife!" | |
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Are we talking about the Box O' Chocolate's version of "Dorothy Parker" or is there another one?
I hate all this cryptic talk. | |
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yeah i was wondering if Dorothy Parker was that version and Stimulation is another name for something we already have? | |
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Obviously the one with Eric Leeds? No one ever mentioned Dorothy and Stimulation being out on this forum before, and they ain't the easiest titles to look for on Google so IDK what this is about A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...scography/ | |
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The BOC version is identical to the album version, just not mastered and possibly slightly different mix. A version with overdubs by Eric Leeds is known to exist, and known to be in the possession of some collectors as well, but uncirculating so far.
Stimulation we never had any version so far: http://princevault.com/in...timulation
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Ah, the elusive extended version. Never know of its existence(and the Adore extended version) till I heard the P&B podcast.
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ah ok, now i see. that makes it all a bit more understandable. the tracks were 'tagged' all the way back in the 90s and they haven't surfaced until very recently.
that's still quite an accomplishment, that people kept sitting on those for so long. who knows how or why people are chosing to put them up now.
but whatever, it's great for us mere mortals
from the way people were talking i thought these were only recently uncovered somehow and some sercret prince society was listening to these in dark vaulted rooms, swearing oaths not to let those tracks fall into the hands of the unclean
as for "the flesh". for me personally, "a couple of miles" was always going to be the one track i wanted most. it's the one that has prince doing almost everything (except eric's input).
all the other tracks are mainly entire band on the spot compositions. and although that would be a great thing to hear, i'm always more interested in stuff that is almost entirely prince. it's just a preference.
i've listened to "a couple of miles" about 10 times today and i'm quite crazy about it.
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it's funny to me to prefer the 'prince only' recordings - most of all prince's output comes from him first, either in the form of a demo, written lyrics/score or just his instructions to band members/musicians. think Willing and Able without the NPG, it wouldn't be the same or Rainbow Children without John Blackwell, or Parade without Wendy & Lisa - they wouldn't sound the same. I love the self created stuff, but it's nice that we get the input of others into Prince's world aswell. | |
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Not to poo-poo what you said because I agree, but I brushed away the cobwebs and there's a lingering thought in my mind that I remember reading 'A Couple Of Miles' was a studio effort by Prince only with overdubs from Eric, and wasn't part of the larger jam sessions that the rest of the Flesh material sprung from. (Which I guess would in fact make it more of a precursor to the first Madhouse album than the rest of the stuff)
If I'm mistaken, paint a target on my ass and my forehead because I can't find the source for this, but I'm sure I remember reading this in the Vault or somewhere. | |
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Parade without Clare Fisher would be a better example, I think. Anyway - I'm with IstenSzek on this one. The wooh is on the one! | |
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Nothing cryptic here, that BOC shit is just what always was BOC from a lower gen tape or better sources, nothing else...
"Doroty Parker" is the longer lingering version before it was cut down for "Dream Factory"... But that tagged version is slightly longer because of a repeater/skip tag...
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When you hear "Stimulation" you'll know it's "Stimulation"... Hard to give it another name... BTW this is an edited/overdubbed version (possibly proposed single version so no album version) of the "Rave Unto The joy Fantastic" 1989 version...
Forgot to say that the 12" "Trust"/"Vicki Waiting" is also out there (correction: only "Trust" is tagged, "Vicki Waiting" is completely as is...)
I do not know who finally is throwing this stuff out online, but my bet is it's not possible to burn any bridges anymore that's why these are coming out now... Backstabbing an invisible back, but in the end, who cares, they're tagged anyway...
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