I think the more important question is not whether Prince is going to release them, but whether they're being properly archived and cared for, so that they will be in releaseable condition someday. It's fine by me if Prince wants to focus on new music right now.

electricberet said:

I think the more important question is not whether Prince is going to release them, but whether they're being properly archived and cared for, so that they will be in releaseable condition someday. It's fine by me if Prince wants to focus on new music right now.

U heard Crystal Ball right? Rave? Sound beer than any bootleg we had..if not 10x better.

The sound was pretty immaculate for all of those recordings...I am pretty sure they are well taken care of.

paisleypark4 said:

electricberet said:

paisleypark4 said:

U heard Crystal Ball right? Rave? Sound beer than any bootleg we had..if not 10x better.

The sound was pretty immaculate for all of those recordings...I am pretty sure they are well taken care of.

That was more than a decade ago, and back when Prince took more of an interest in his vault recordings. [Edited 9/19/12 11:51am]

I just think a man of his calibur and obsessivness when it comes to his music, I think he has them properly placed.

paisleypark4 said:

Whoever has those ton of those tracks need to start releasing them since he shrugged it off as "someone will.." as if he doesnt have full control of his recordings..which we know better.

He meant after he dies.

Recently someone has been releasing more and more studio tracks and it's great. I really hope Prince is getting a paid portion for the releases and I am very thankful for hearing these tracks (especially Line #2, which gives me life). But jesus someone just holding on to these tracks for twenty sum off years....

You are speaking nonsense: how could Prince get paid for bootlegs (FREE bootlegs on top of it all)? These tracks were held by collectors who hadn't chosen to share them so far. There's more to come it seems.

we gon' be dead sooner or later and people younger than most of our generation (30 and up) are not going to care anymore. Most real Prince fans I know are older than me.

Prince will always have the interest of some people, as does every major musician long after they're dead, but of course his fanbase is probably bigger now than it will be after both him and us are dead.

paisleypark4 said:

electricberet said:

paisleypark4 said: That was more than a decade ago, and back when Prince took more of an interest in his vault recordings. [Edited 9/19/12 11:51am]

I just think a man of his calibur and obsessivness when it comes to his music, I think he has them properly placed.

IIRC, theta whole rumor about tapes falling to pieces in the vault started when ChronicFreeze came on the Org and stated that in his day, a program to digitalize everything was considered then given up, and that in the storage conditions he knew (in the early to mid 90's) the analogic tapes would deteriorate.

What happened to these tapes ever since no one knows, but I don't buy that Prince would allow his back catalogue to deteriorate to a point where restauration wouldn't be possible.

STrange...something is moving on??

Remember few weeks ago

On

databank said:

databank said:

paisleypark4 said:

I just think a man of his calibur and obsessivness when it comes to his music, I think he has them properly placed.

IIRC, theta whole rumor about tapes falling to pieces in the vault started when ChronicFreeze came on the Org and stated that in his day, a program to digitalize everything was considered then given up, and that in the storage conditions he knew (in the early to mid 90's) the analogic tapes would deteriorate.

What happened to these tapes ever since no one knows, but I don't buy that Prince would allow his back catalogue to deteriorate to a point where restauration wouldn't be possible.

That seems to be where the rumors came from but we have to consider that Prince has built at least another vault since then, I doubt that he would even build another vault if he didn't care about those tapes.

Rave, Splash, the whole Crystal Ball project were released after Chronic Freeze left and I know that there were some 2"Queen masters that were falling apart yet retreaved at least 5 years after that date (and those were from some older tapes).

Also didn't Hanz Buff tell stories off having a digital archive and reference CD's (apparently George Clinton took the CD's) Although we don't know if these were just standard albums.

Also there's a 5.1 mix of Lovesexy that Prince done from the master in 2000, and Dirty Mind, Controversy and 1999 have just been remastered at Bernie Grunman this year so I guess it's safe to say that work from at least that far back is safe.

Lastly I don't belive that somebody with such an obsession with ownership master tapes and has taken that much care in protecting the tapes from the outside world would be so flippent about the state of those tapes.

Of course unless any of us get to go in and see for ourselves then we will never know

Funny thing is that many recent releases are statements of ownership

In A Large Room With No Light: illegally released on a nonetheless legit record by a band in 2001. Only speculation but maybe Prince learnt about it 8 years later: "This is MY shit!".

Extra Loveable: illegally covered by 2 difrferent bands and streamed on Youtube in early 2011: "This is MY shit!".

The Dance Electric: André's unreleased extended version is streamed by Funkenberry in early 2012: "This is MY shit!".

Ice Cream Castle/Mutiny: The Tiime and fDeluxe reform in 2011, play old Prince songs live and state in early 2012 that they'd gladly open for Prince: "This is MY shit!".

He definitely cares about his legacy

databank said:

Funny thing is that many recent releases are statements of ownership

In A Large Room With No Light: illegally released on a nonetheless legit record by a band in 2001. Only speculation but maybe Prince learnt about it 8 years later: "This is MY shit!".

Extra Loveable: illegally covered by 2 difrferent bands and streamed on Youtube in early 2011: "This is MY shit!".

The Dance Electric: André's unreleased extended version is streamed by Funkenberry in early 2012: "This is MY shit!".

Ice Cream Castle/Mutiny: The Tiime and fDeluxe reform in 2011, play old Prince songs live and state in early 2012 that they'd gladly open for Prince: "This is MY shit!".

He definitely cares about his legacy

Hmm... Maybe some band needs to put out a box set covering all the songs in Work It 2.0.

when splash came out I remember there being a lot of talk of prince releasing "roadhouse garden" and he said something to the effect of that he just needed wendy and lisa to participate and finish up the string arrangements since that was primarily their contribution

i seem to recall some mj remaster reissue thing with will i am guest rapping on old thriller trax .. no thanks on that business plan

there is a lot of jw talk around prince .. i seem to recall my super religious uncle griping about people in the church band taking solos and trying to act all fancy on guitar and how music was to simply be for praise .. no extra ego bullshit .. he was sincerely upset about it .. it reminds me of how lame and mediocre the new prince song is .. as if he was trying to plain and boring on purpose .. and maybe the jw thing prevents him from revisiting the old satan music he used to make .. or making money on it ..

i'd like to think that when prince gets his master situation handled he will do something but realistically i think he wants to be able to release upgraded versions like he did with extraloveable and in a large room .. instead of giving us the old school original tracks that had all that sex and sleeze oozing out of every pore ... prince will steralize his old tunes before he releases them

i wouldn't be surprised if he george lucased or will i amed his old tunes either .. prince is just a dumb ass that way

electricberet said:

databank said:

Funny thing is that many recent releases are statements of ownership

In A Large Room With No Light: illegally released on a nonetheless legit record by a band in 2001. Only speculation but maybe Prince learnt about it 8 years later: "This is MY shit!".

Extra Loveable: illegally covered by 2 difrferent bands and streamed on Youtube in early 2011: "This is MY shit!".

The Dance Electric: André's unreleased extended version is streamed by Funkenberry in early 2012: "This is MY shit!".

Ice Cream Castle/Mutiny: The Tiime and fDeluxe reform in 2011, play old Prince songs live and state in early 2012 that they'd gladly open for Prince: "This is MY shit!".

He definitely cares about his legacy

Hmm... Maybe some band needs to put out a box set covering all the songs in Work It 2.0.

Best idea anyone had in YEARS

TrevorAyer said:

when splash came out I remember there being a lot of talk of prince releasing "roadhouse garden" and he said something to the effect of that he just needed wendy and lisa to participate and finish up the string arrangements since that was primarily their contribution

i seem to recall some mj remaster reissue thing with will i am guest rapping on old thriller trax .. no thanks on that business plan

there is a lot of jw talk around prince .. i seem to recall my super religious uncle griping about people in the church band taking solos and trying to act all fancy on guitar and how music was to simply be for praise .. no extra ego bullshit .. he was sincerely upset about it .. it reminds me of how lame and mediocre the new prince song is .. as if he was trying to plain and boring on purpose .. and maybe the jw thing prevents him from revisiting the old satan music he used to make .. or making money on it ..

i'd like to think that when prince gets his master situation handled he will do something but realistically i think he wants to be able to release upgraded versions like he did with extraloveable and in a large room .. instead of giving us the old school original tracks that had all that sex and sleeze oozing out of every pore ... prince will steralize his old tunes before he releases them

i wouldn't be surprised if he george lucased or will i amed his old tunes either .. prince is just a dumb ass that way

IDK why every one is SO MUCH convinced that Prince will mess with old songs because of his religion. Sure he censored bad words from his songs on some old NPG Ahdio Shows and on stage, and he asked Erotic City to be removed from a major mainstream compilation, but I doubt he'll touch a THING on Head or Darling Nikki when he rermasters them. Actually he ALREADY allowed WB to rerelease a few remasters on vinyl and they were rereleased as such, and he also mentioned remastering Erotic City at that same time, which implies that it will be rereleased as such as well.

As for rerecording/reworking older unreleased songs, he's been doing that all his life, ever since the very beginning(Raspberry Beret anyone?). The most offensive lines in Extra Loveable... IDK, I can't really imagine a 53 years-old man singing "I'm on the verge of rape" without losing any of his dignity... This was acceptable from a 24 years-old wild freak in the early 80's, but a 53 years_old man in 2012... c'mon... it would have been removed without JW's as well. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be left on the original if it eventually surfaced on an outtakes compilation, since it's a statement from the Prince of 1982 (while the 2011 version is a current statement).

Just my opinion, though... for what it's worth.

NouveauDance said:

gollygirl said:

Dont take this the wrong way.......I adore Prince and I am the first to open my wallet and buy anything new from him - but do you think after all this time the general casual fan of Prince would really want anything from the vault now? A longer version of Adore? - would they really care about that or just see it as an old song? Alot of what is in that vault might sound dated & daggy now?

The general casual fan would be a HELL of a lot more interested in hearing new music from the 82-87 period than an album of new material. People don't trust Prince to put out a good record.

Exactly NouveauDance. I couldn't care less about anything recently recorded. I haven't been buying any of his new releases for years - it's all horsesh*t to my ears. If, on the other hand, he'd be to release a 30 disc box of outtakes recorded in the 80s, I'd be the first in line.

databank said:

paisleypark4 said:

Prince will always have the interest of some people, as does every major musician long after they're dead, but of course his fanbase is probably bigger now than it will be after both him and us are dead.

I know these conversations we have on the org have influenced him in some aspects. Some of us know full well he reads em. Lets just keep having these discussions so that one day..one day.... On the maybe someone pays him note....its just an idea.

electricberet said:

databank said:

Funny thing is that many recent releases are statements of ownership

In A Large Room With No Light: illegally released on a nonetheless legit record by a band in 2001. Only speculation but maybe Prince learnt about it 8 years later: "This is MY shit!".

Extra Loveable: illegally covered by 2 difrferent bands and streamed on Youtube in early 2011: "This is MY shit!".

The Dance Electric: André's unreleased extended version is streamed by Funkenberry in early 2012: "This is MY shit!".

Ice Cream Castle/Mutiny: The Tiime and fDeluxe reform in 2011, play old Prince songs live and state in early 2012 that they'd gladly open for Prince: "This is MY shit!".

He definitely cares about his legacy

Hmm... Maybe some band needs to put out a box set covering all the songs in Work It 2.0.

Yeah, it's actually illegal to cover unreleased material. Once a track has been released anyone can cover it as long as they pay the proper royalties.

databank said:

- In the late 90's, Prince claimed to have unknown recordings of him and Miles Davis that would eventually be released. However we know for a fact that there is no such things save 2 versions of Can I Play With U? and one live show featuring Miles Davis, so this quote is ambiguous.

http://princetext.tripod.com/i_gw98.html

Prince, about jam sessions: "God, there have been so many. I've actually recorded some indescribable music with Miles Davis -- long improvisations that I will release at some point. But again, I want to wait until the spirit moves me, you know. Bring those recordings to the public when it feels right. Like release it on his birthday or his death day, when Miles was released from the circle of life and death."

But, as you wrote, Alan Leeds thinks it's highly unlikely Miles and Prince could have gotten together in a recording studio without anyone knowing (managers, engineers, band members, etc.). I'm with Alan on this one. Prince is probably talking about a song (or songs) he recorded alone, with samples of Miles. We know he did it with "Funky" (1989) and the long version of "Can I Play With U?" is another example of Prince "sampling" Miles (or "resequencing" what Miles actually recorded - if that makes any sense).

databank said:

As for rerecording/reworking older unreleased songs, he's been doing that all his life, ever since the very beginning(Raspberry Beret anyone?). The most offensive lines in Extra Loveable... IDK, I can't really imagine a 53 years-old man singing "I'm on the verge of rape" without losing any of his dignity... This was acceptable from a 24 years-old wild freak in the early 80's, but a 53 years_old man in 2012... c'mon... it would have been removed without JW's as well. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be left on the original if it eventually surfaced on an outtakes compilation, since it's a statement from the Prince of 1982 (while the 2011 version is a current statement).

There's that quote about Prince asking Larry Graham to leave the recording studio while he was re-recording some parts of "Dirty Mind". Or something to that effect. Right?

Ok, found it, but it's not a direct quote:

http://prince.org/msg/7/187263

BorisFishpaw: "They had a big (private) wrap party at Paisley Park to celebrate the completion of the project. They also mentioned that Larry had to leave the room when Prince re-recorded some of the more 'explicit' old material (I think they were talking about some of the Dirty Mind album 'newmasters' there... 'Head' and 'Sister' spring to mind)."

olb99 said:

databank said:

- In the late 90's, Prince claimed to have unknown recordings of him and Miles Davis that would eventually be released. However we know for a fact that there is no such things save 2 versions of Can I Play With U? and one live show featuring Miles Davis, so this quote is ambiguous.

http://princetext.tripod.com/i_gw98.html

Prince, about jam sessions: "God, there have been so many. I've actually recorded some indescribable music with Miles Davis -- long improvisations that I will release at some point. But again, I want to wait until the spirit moves me, you know. Bring those recordings to the public when it feels right. Like release it on his birthday or his death day, when Miles was released from the circle of life and death."

But, as you wrote, Alan Leeds thinks it's highly unlikely Miles and Prince could have gotten together in a recording studio without anyone knowing (managers, engineers, band members, etc.). I'm with Alan on this one. Prince is probably talking about a song (or songs) he recorded alone, with samples of Miles. We know he did it with "Funky" (1989) and the long version of "Can I Play With U?" is another example of Prince "sampling" Miles (or "resequencing" what Miles actually recorded - if that makes any sense).

Interesting innerview, thanks

Another quote's in there that directly addresses the topic at hand: "I have everything on tape, man, including all the informal jams. I record everything I do, just like Jimi Hendrix did. And eventually a lot of it will be released. "

olb99 said:

databank said:

As for rerecording/reworking older unreleased songs, he's been doing that all his life, ever since the very beginning(Raspberry Beret anyone?). The most offensive lines in Extra Loveable... IDK, I can't really imagine a 53 years-old man singing "I'm on the verge of rape" without losing any of his dignity... This was acceptable from a 24 years-old wild freak in the early 80's, but a 53 years_old man in 2012... c'mon... it would have been removed without JW's as well. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be left on the original if it eventually surfaced on an outtakes compilation, since it's a statement from the Prince of 1982 (while the 2011 version is a current statement).

There's that quote about Prince asking Larry Graham to leave the recording studio while he was re-recording some parts of "Dirty Mind". Or something to that effect. Right?

Ok, found it, but it's not a direct quote:

http://prince.org/msg/7/187263

BorisFishpaw: "They had a big (private) wrap party at Paisley Park to celebrate the completion of the project. They also mentioned that Larry had to leave the room when Prince re-recorded some of the more 'explicit' old material (I think they were talking about some of the Dirty Mind album 'newmasters' there... 'Head' and 'Sister' spring to mind)."

Astonishing thread: I'd missed it back then and never knew we had such certainties about the "new masters" recordings