Graycap23 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

I definitely agree with the OP here. And it sounds like a lot of people in here have their heads waaay too far up Prince's ass to see the forest for the trees. He has an extremely awful business sense and therefore is a fuckin' awful businessman. Plain and simple. To the person who said saying "awful businessman" was too harsh but should say "patchy track record of business ventures", you're living in a dream world. It's the same fuckin' thing, only it's not quite sufficient enough to truly describe his usual lack of business sense!!! STOP trying to handle y'all's hero with kid gloves. You guys kill me with that shit!!!! Yes, he's talented as an artist, but that doesn't mean he's got a mind for business. Because he doesn't.

Yes, he's had some okay ideas here and there, but on the whole, he's fucked his own self up way more often than not. And they've been all mentioned here before: his websites, his lack of worldwide/routine distribution, his wasting money on videos that were always gonna collect cobwebs, refusing to pay vendors who provided satisfactory services to him and/or his company, Paisley Park/NPG record labels, not paying taxes, fan clubs, lack of promotion and idiotic single releases, and the shit goes on and on.

Yeah, he has a multi-million dollar worth, but it's in spite of himself!! He's been able to be overall all right/successful in his career because he actually had some people in his corner who knew what in the fuck they were doing back in the 80s. You know, back when he was most profitable because his music had punch, excitement, and energy. It's all not a coincidence, geniuses.

He could do SOOO much more if he'd smarten the fuck up and actually give the consumers what they wanted. He could've had a bunch of Crystal Ball-type releases by now - including concert videos - but no. He wants to give consumers what HE thinks they want, and Lawd only knows what the fuck that is.

Prince would laught out loud at these comments. No one knows a man's path better than he does.

@ bolded part... And there it is...well said Gray.

HonestMan13 said:

2elijah said:

I agree with 1725Stopp on some points. No one forces anyone to continue purchasing a product or dedicate themselves to supporting a business they're not satisfied with. It becomes questionable though, when an individual has the same obsessive complaints and criticism, about the same product, business or business owner, when all they have to do is 'walk away'. If a friend tells me they can't stand the food or service at a particular restaurant, but after that I see you appear at the same restaurant you obsessively b*tched about, then there is no way I would take your complaint seriously. I may even question what you've been smoking.

Like the example of the restaurant 1725Stopp gave, I agree that if you don't like the service, you don't go back and you don't support the business. But when you choose to go back and have the same, obsessive complaints about the same product/business/business owner, the question is "Then why are you still supporting that business and knockng yourself silly, by complaining about it, if you claim you are dissatisfied?" Makes absolutely no sense. It's very simple, move on, walk away, find some peace and be done with it. End of story.

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"Put down the needle, put down the spoon..."

It's too hard and inconceivable for some displeased fans to even comtemplate walking away from Prince.

Well then they should stop their bs, broken-record complaining.

2elijah said:

prime said:

We all know he has done well.....my point is that he does not take advantage of a lot of things that could have been huge (tours, product, ect.). I was just reading about the Brit awards and Wendy was saying she hoped it would have been different, but it was still nice. There was no pub to tell the world Lisa and Wendy were there......wouldn't be a good business move? A lot more people might have tuned in for it. Same with 7-7-07 concert. It is what it is...just sharing my thoughts. I do know making people wait at a gate for 3 hours is a very bad business move. I heard a lot of people complaining and I know folks who haven't been back to a show. I'll be there but it sucks. lol!!!

Maybe W&L's appearance at the Brit Awards wasn't supposed to be just about them rejoining P on stage, and that is probably what they expected--that he would make some big announcement and recognition of a reunion with those two back on stage with him, but remember this was a time when he was promoting Tamar, and had the Twinz with him, as well as having Sheila E. there too at the Brit Awards too.

I think if W&L expected some announcement of their presence with him at the Briit Awards, then it would have only been fair if an announcement was made of Sheila E's presence on stage with him too. I don't think most in that audience cared if there was an announcment or not, because they all did a good performance.

As far as 7/7/07 at the Target Center, if I can remember, I believe it had somethinjg to due with the air-conditioning system in the venue, not working properly, and it was a very hot day, the day of the concert, so the staff at the venue and security, didn't allow people inside the venue, until things were in order. I'm not sure if it had anything to do with equipment not set up on time, but from what I heard, when I was there, it had something to do with air-conditioning issues, and it was very warm inside the waiting area at that time, where many fans were waiting outside. So fans waiting for awhile outside the Target center was the fault of the venue.

It's funny though, how some fans judge another's business practices, when they have absolutely no 'inside' info or contact with that individual to make such judgements, and base their info on what they read or heard (hearsay), from another who also has no decision-making privileges in that person's business affairs, to make such judgments.

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1) Wendy was complaining about it. I could care less. Why would he promote Sheila when they are together all the time (Alma, Essences, Brit, tours, etc.)?

2) Isn't this a fan site? All people do on hear is celebrate or knock what he's doing. That's ok....it's a fan site. It's ok to wish he did something differetly. Plus, everyone (not just on this site) talks about his decisions. Nothing new.....

3) It had nothing to do with the A/C. Wendy said Prince called her at the last minute and she had to rush to MPLS from LA. Trust me...we were sitting in a skywalk with no A/C and outside in 100+ degree weather, so A/C not working had nothing to do with it.

Like you said "It's funny how some fans have absolutely no 'inside' information." LOL!!!

Just because some fans do not agree With jealous folk or those who do not understand Prince does not make any of them less than...

Fans



Prince done changed the rules and is still changing them

prime said:

2elijah said:

Maybe W&L's appearance at the Brit Awards wasn't supposed to be just about them rejoining P on stage, and that is probably what they expected--that he would make some big announcement and recognition of a reunion with those two back on stage with him, but remember this was a time when he was promoting Tamar, and had the Twinz with him, as well as having Sheila E. there too at the Brit Awards too.

I think if W&L expected some announcement of their presence with him at the Briit Awards, then it would have only been fair if an announcement was made of Sheila E's presence on stage with him too. I don't think most in that audience cared if there was an announcment or not, because they all did a good performance.

As far as 7/7/07 at the Target Center, if I can remember, I believe it had somethinjg to due with the air-conditioning system in the venue, not working properly, and it was a very hot day, the day of the concert, so the staff at the venue and security, didn't allow people inside the venue, until things were in order. I'm not sure if it had anything to do with equipment not set up on time, but from what I heard, when I was there, it had something to do with air-conditioning issues, and it was very warm inside the waiting area at that time, where many fans were waiting outside. So fans waiting for awhile outside the Target center was the fault of the venue.

It's funny though, how some fans judge another's business practices, when they have absolutely no 'inside' info or contact with that individual to make such judgements, and base their info on what they read or heard (hearsay), from another who also has no decision-making privileges in that person's business affairs, to make such judgments.

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1) Wendy was complaining about it. I could care less. Why would he promote Sheila when they are together all the time (Alma, Essences, Brit, tours, etc.)?

(Bolded part) Why not? Not every viewer or fan was aware that Sheila E. was present at a number of his performances post-Lovesexy. You have casual, hardcore and occasional fans. You can't assume all fans are aware of every former band associate that joins him on stage at specific shows.

2) Isn't this a fan site? All people do on hear is celebrate or knock what he's doing. That's ok....it's a fan site. It's ok to wish he did something differetly. Plus, everyone (not just on this site) talks about his decisions. Nothing new.....

Yes, and you know this, so what's the problem?

3) It had nothing to do with the A/C. Wendy said Prince called her at the last minute and she had to rush to MPLS from LA. Trust me...we were sitting in a skywalk with no A/C and outside in 100+ degree weather, so A/C not working had nothing to do with it.

Like you said "It's funny how some fans have absolutely no 'inside' information." LOL!!!

Let me repeat this again. I said some fans were told it had something to do with the air-conditioning system, and if you were waiting inside the venue in the waiting area, it was very hot. I am only going by what I heard some security personnel telling people who were asking why they couldn't go in. I went outside in the heat to wait until they started letting people in. Now whether they were telling some folks that to cover up the real reason, that was on the staff. Whatever you heard that Wendy said as the reason for the delay, also doesn't mean that may have been the only reason things were held up. You had no more inside info than any other fan waiting out there in the heat that day, but keep feeling yourself on that.

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2elijah said:

prime said:

1) Wendy was complaining about it. I could care less. Why would he promote Sheila when they are together all the time (Alma, Essences, Brit, tours, etc.)?

(Bolded part) Why not? Not every viewer or fan was aware that Sheila E. was present at a number of his performances post-Lovesexy. You have casual, hardcore and occasional fans. You can't assume all fans are aware of every former band associate that joins him on stage at specific shows.

2) Isn't this a fan site? All people do on hear is celebrate or knock what he's doing. That's ok....it's a fan site. It's ok to wish he did something differetly. Plus, everyone (not just on this site) talks about his decisions. Nothing new.....

Yes, and you know this, so what's the problem?

3) It had nothing to do with the A/C. Wendy said Prince called her at the last minute and she had to rush to MPLS from LA. Trust me...we were sitting in a skywalk with no A/C and outside in 100+ degree weather, so A/C not working had nothing to do with it.

Like you said "It's funny how some fans have absolutely no 'inside' information." LOL!!!

Let me repeat this again. I said some fans were told it had something to do with the air-conditioning system, and if you were waiting inside the venue in the waiting area, it was very hot. I am only going by what I heard some security personnel telling people who were asking why they couldn't go in. I went outside in the heat to wait until they started letting people in. Now whether they were telling some folks that to cover up the real reason, that was on the staff. Whatever you heard that Wendy said as the reason for the delay, also doesn't mean that may have been the only reason things were held up. You had no more inside info than any other fan waiting out there in the heat that day, but keep feeling yourself on that.

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I never said I had "inside information" or my information was an better than yours. I was just making fun at the fact it sounded like you were coming at me (and others) for giving false information (because yours was "inside"). I have nothing against you bro. I was only stating my opin. I'm not sure if I beleived the A/C problem and I was sharing what Wendy said...again...just sharing my opin. Relax!

Question - why would he pump up Sheila E performing with him when she is ALWAYS with him? Wouldn't it have made sense to advertise Wendy and Lisa joining him? Just asking.

Look - what drives people from this site (and others) is the fact you can't share information or your opin because people trip out. It's all good. Peace & B Wild