Not my thing. I preferred PR.

He's to cocky in Cherry Moon. It's annoying.

LayzieKrayzie said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Include your thoughts and ideas, people will chew you up for little openings like this

the album is called Parade, you meant to say "I'm talking about the movie, not the song."

* ...In general, post if you have something to say. If you want to start a new thread, make it worthwhile. Don't be lazy and give a 1-sentence "what do you think about X?". At least explain your position, why, etc... make it interesting to read; you're more likely to get quality responses.

Yeah that's what I meant. Song not album. As for everything else, if people want to "chew me up" for something like this, frankly I don't give a fuck. It's not my purpose to please people on the Internet twice my age. And I'm not being lazy. I want to know the general consensus about the movie, not what individuals think. I know the movie itself flopped but a lot of media flops have a fanbase or cult following, which is why I asked what the general opinion is. I didn't give my thoughts initially in the thread because I don't want the thread based on what I think of it. My appoligies if anything I said here pisses you (or anybody else off) or if it's something I shouldn't say on here.

As for my opinions, I actually think it's an awesome movie. Which is why I want to know how it's viewed among the general Prince fanbase. I like the movie and I think it looks good in black and white. I'm suprised looking at some of the responses though. I can understand Graffiti Bridge, but I had no idea there was people who like it better than Purple Rain though.

oh, in that case, that it was an embarrassing bomb, one that showed prince had let stardom go to his head, the words "narcissistic" and "vain" appeared in most reviews. One review said Prince, in black and white looked like something your biology teacher had you dissect. The press ran it down like it deserved to be rundown and the public stayed away in droves, what more do you need to know? I watched it all go down, down, down.

imago said:

FunkySideEffects said:

I watched it with a bunch of friends & after watching it they all agreed that he's gay. I can understand what they meant, I mean the outfits he wore, the way he let Mary take the lead when they were dancing & she twirled HIM around, the way he acted around Tricky - he had a bath in front of him & fell on top of each other for gods sake!! I got to admit, even I was a bit confused... So is CT meant to be a gay/bi/straight man all in one?

I have had countless conversations on this with people, but I really believe that Prince was not just flirting with the idea of gender, but actually 'coming out' in his own repressed way. Folks defend this by saying that if Prince were gay that he would have already come out considering the kind of stuff he was singing about. They point out songs like Sister, head, Darlin Nikki, etc---but it's one thing to assert your sexual conquest--it's quite something else to come out in public during the 80s.

I can't think of anybody who would watch UTCM or any of Prince's earlier interviews and not see that he's not completely straight.

As time went on, he toughened up and now talks in a street savvy vernacular, but my guess is this is an act.

interesting, i always thought the gay thing was an act, he didn't even do it well. Like a straight man imitating a gay, starting with his sucking his teeth at Dick Clark. He understood, intuitively, that a lot of women love gay men and he played it to the hilt and got much pussy that way.

nursev said:

Prince kills me when he says "Pizza Man" he just delivering random dick to Mary's mom that shit is hilarious after 200 looks

ya that was good, now threadstarter, i will say my opinion, had prince not rushed it, i think he could have been a very good filmaker, there were glimpses of natural talent but his ego would never have allowed him working with enough people to nurture it, so what we got was a musician who thought he could make movies and instead got his ego squashed to hell. I don't think he'll ever try it again.

imago said:

michael11000 said:

Prince is completely straight in this movie. The thing is - he's so completely unrepressed and doesn't follow the mores of society of how to behave AS a heterosexual...that he defines it himself.

If you're not intelligent or bright - you'll just see the outer things : the clothes, makeup etc ..and not the spirit inside. He's ABSOLUTELY straight in this film.

Dude, I have never been more sure of anything in myh life--I am far, far, far smarter than most, including yourself.

Prince.....is....gay.

Besides, the org voted on this ages ago.

gays always think everyone else is gay, it's called projection.

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree,the story needed better writing.Really lame story and atrocious acting.A skilled director could have smoothed out the rough spots,but Prince'e ego got in the way of common sense

Yep, When you push LOVE changing people, it doesn't always come out right. Purple Rain did it without having to define it.

love the visuals, some parts were better than the others. I love the opening that was intense Prince, some of his best acting is non spoken performing. Christopher Tracey's Parade (song) worked well with the scene

To much like Morris Day & Jerome

the Revolution & the proteges 100% should have been in the movie, that's just more promo for your music.

Prince just had to have himself dying in the movie, he couldn't get it in PR so he fires the director and get's it in UTCM

the Music was wonderful for the film, performances would have been even better

Prince, being a closet Elvis fan, imitated Elvis dying in Love me tender, Elvis was just as pathetic but he was hot enough to where his turds didn't get picked apart in the 50's. Prince obviously liked the early elvis movies (amongst many,many vintage films).

kewlschool said:

ufoclub said:

where did you find that?

Random on the web

he made it himself.

general opinion:

Prince did another movie besides Purple Rain?

at the time, it was regarded as a disaster... at least by movie industry standards

but around this place, the general opinion is more generous... mainly because the people here know more about Prince and enjoy him...

movie probably wouldn't have worked without him.

occasionally I like it more than Purple Rain because Christopher Tracy is more fun to be around, haha

also...

generally...

a fun, enjoyable movie...

but one of the worst endings in any film

cuz it was just so pointless

kinda in the way that the ending of Gone with the Wind made watching it for 4 hours pointless

Bohemian67 said:

Not my thing. I preferred PR.

He's to cocky in Cherry Moon. It's annoying.

I too prefered the broading dark Prince

His PR success + the Morris & Jerome imitation took cocky to another level

OldFriends4Sale said:

Bohemian67 said:

Not my thing. I preferred PR.

He's to cocky in Cherry Moon. It's annoying.

I too prefered the broading dark Prince

His PR success + the Morris & Jerome imitation took cocky to another level

ya, i've said that many times, the mysterious Prince (which is really a big part of his personality and appeal) was what drew everyone in, the not giving interviews, the layers of glitz, makeup, florid music made it impossible to see this bizarre little man at the center of it all, he had way more presence that way. I think he was bugged by the "Morris stole Purple Rain" talk.

G3000 said:

Wow, do you think Jerome could have been a great comedic actor?? Think about Chris Tucker, Eddie Murphy, etc....Jerome could have went to have great success in the black/urban movie genre. The camera loved him and he has a great sense of comedic timing.

well, he did better than prince. Prince was a horrible actor. tell the truth though, lots of brothers are funny as hell and would make great actors, there's only so much room in the biz for so many people though.

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"THE general opinion" on the movie "Under The Cherry Moon" is that it is the second worst movie in the history of cinema, after Graffiti Bridge. And that's the general opinion among enthusiastic Prince fans. Beyond that microcosmos, the movie isn't even discussed as a "movie".

I was 16 and a huge fan when I saw it in the theater, and I guess I just enjoyed watching Prince, and my sense was that the crowd, most of them assuredly fans, did as well. I agree with the comments about the scenes with Prince and Jerome. There were some funny moments there.

Today I give it a pass because it's Prince, but if it were anyone else I wouldn't waste a second of my time.

Three memories I have of seeing it in the theater: The Wrecka Stow routine got a big laugh.

A comment from a black woman about Prince always being with white girls. And the palpable sense of excitement when Girls and Boys came on: Finally, a performance!, which is all we really want to see anyway. Too bad it was so short lived.

Speaking of which, ditch the movie altogether and just watch the Cobo Hall show. That's the Prince from 1986 that I'll remember.

petes2 said:

imago said:

Dude, I have never been more sure of anything in myh life--I am far, far, far smarter than most, including yourself.

Prince.....is....gay.

Besides, the org voted on this ages ago.

gays always think everyone else is gay, it's called projection.

My gaydar is terrible. You have to be Richard Simmons level gay to set off my alarms.

Prince is gay.

imago said:

petes2 said:

gays always think everyone else is gay, it's called projection.

My gaydar is terrible. You have to be Richard Simmons level gay to set off my alarms.

Prince is gay.

Prince doesn't live a gay cultured life

I don't think he is homosexual, we definately would have had some 'accusations' by now lol

but he is definately queer

imago said:

petes2 said:

gays always think everyone else is gay, it's called projection.

My gaydar is terrible. You have to be Richard Simmons level gay to set off my alarms.

Prince is gay.

like i said, most gays think everyone is gay. I lived with a gay guy once, had to kick him out because he kept insisting I was gay, so I was gay enough to put his ass out. It's tiresome. Give it a rest and if I was Dick Clark I would have slapped the shit out of prince for his little gay act, it wasn't even convincing. Americans have a wierd fixation with gayness, truly wierd (not saying your american) they accuse everyone of it as if it's some horrible character flaw and at the same time preach tolerance and acceptance, weird.

Darn org!!

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petes2 said:

imago said:

My gaydar is terrible. You have to be Richard Simmons level gay to set off my alarms.

Prince is gay.

like i said, most gays think everyone is gay. I lived with a gay guy once, had to kick him out because he kept insisting I was gay, so I was gay enough to put his ass out. It's tiresome. Give it a rest and if I was Dick Clark I would have slapped the shit out of prince for his little gay act, it wasn't even convincing. Americans have a wierd fixation with gayness, truly wierd (not saying your american) they accuse everyone of it as if it's some horrible character flaw and at the same time preach tolerance and acceptance, weird.

I think that is Imago is being ironic when calling P gay. If P was-should it matter? No. And that's the point. Correct me if I'm wrong Imago. And I will out Imago-he is an American.

kewlschool said:

petes2 said:

like i said, most gays think everyone is gay. I lived with a gay guy once, had to kick him out because he kept insisting I was gay, so I was gay enough to put his ass out. It's tiresome. Give it a rest and if I was Dick Clark I would have slapped the shit out of prince for his little gay act, it wasn't even convincing. Americans have a wierd fixation with gayness, truly wierd (not saying your american) they accuse everyone of it as if it's some horrible character flaw and at the same time preach tolerance and acceptance, weird.

I think that is Imago is being ironic when calling P gay. If P was-should it matter? No. And that's the point. Correct me if I'm wrong Imago. And I will out Imago-he is an American.

it really shouldn't, and gayness is tiresome, I don't care and don't want to see it, hear it, be approached by men (which happens alot to me). People really do have time on their hands, instead of worrying about basic survival, we have the luxury of fixating on some sort of angle and it's a lot more than gays who do it, seems like everyone's got their little niche and axe to grind. You get older, you just don't want to hear any of it anymore. Just do what you're suppossed to do and live your live how you want quit advertising what you think you are. I have to say lots of spoiled bratty people out here.

'UTCM' has always been friggin' hilarious to me [I saw it as a kid, & I wasn't even a Prince fan @ the time. But I still liked it even back then ]. Never got why it was hated so much. I'm for sure that I've seen it more than 'PR'....

[Edited 8/7/12 19:37pm]

OldFriends4Sale said:

G3000 said:

Christoper Tracey dies...in full make up, high heels, silk pajamas and a white trench coat, while exiting a little motor boat!

only Prince fans will overlook that and say "it's totally cool."

Regular folks will never understand...so glad I'm not a regular person!!

I was thinking the same thing lol when I saw that clip

He is immaculate, even the blood doesn't show

And he had to be in real light colors too lol

i cried so much durring this part.....

now everytime i watch it i just skip te end

ROLLING STONE (1990)

PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

He's been studying, he says, and learning from his own film failures. "I don't regret anything about Under the Cherry Moon," he says. "I learned that I can't direct what I didn't write."

OldFriends4Sale said:

ROLLING STONE (1990)

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PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

He's been studying, he says, and learning from his own film failures. "I don't regret anything about Under the Cherry Moon," he says. "I learned that I can't direct what I didn't write."

What about graffiti Bridge-didn't he write it?

kewlschool said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

ROLLING STONE (1990)

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PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

He's been studying, he says, and learning from his own film failures. "I don't regret anything about Under the Cherry Moon," he says. "I learned that I can't direct what I didn't write."

What about graffiti Bridge-didn't he write it?

the interview was in 1990 so im guessing this was an interview to promote Graffiti Bridge? So it wasnt even out yet maybe

kewlschool said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

ROLLING STONE (1990)

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PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

He's been studying, he says, and learning from his own film failures. "I don't regret anything about Under the Cherry Moon," he says. "I learned that I can't direct what I didn't write."

What about graffiti Bridge-didn't he write it?

I believe Prince did write GB

ROLLING STONE (1990)

PRINCE TALKS

BY NEAL KARLEN

Originally, Graffiti Bridge was going to be a vehicle for the reborn Time, with Prince staying behind the camera. But Warner Bros. wouldn't go for it, so Prince wrote himself into a new movie. Later, visitors to Paisley Park saw a version of a script that was allegedly obtuse to the point of near gibberish. "That was just a real rough thirty-page treatment I wrote with Kim," Prince says. "Graffiti Bridge is an entirely different movie."

As in Purple Rain, the plot features Prince as a musician named the Kid. Willed half-ownership of a Seven Corners club named Glam Slam, the Kid must share control with Morris Day, once again playing a comic satyr combining Superfly smoothness and Buddy Love sincerity. It's a fight of good versus evil, and band versus band, for the soul of Glam Slam.

Then there's the unknown Ingrid Chavez, Prince's first female movie lead who doesn't look like she was ordered out of a catalog. Throw in the talents of Staples, the reborn Time, George Clinton, and the thirteen-year-old Quincy Jones protégé Tevin Campbell, and you've got, Prince says, "a different kind of movie. It's not violent. Nobody gets laid."

LifeCanBeSoNice21 said:

kewlschool said:

What about graffiti Bridge-didn't he write it?

the interview was in 1990 so im guessing this was an interview to promote Graffiti Bridge? So it wasnt even out yet maybe

the movie was released Nov 2, 1990

the interview was October 18, 1990