TwiliteKid said:

Help me out here: Which track did he end up re-using the chant from The Line on? I can't place it right now.

Indeed, there's is something with the " fantasy " vocal bridge.

Can't find out ....................

One thing : This bunch of tracks have leaked by accident.

Some blogger had offered them on his website for very few minutes<.
The he supressed them after being yelled by his " friends " / happy few owners of this jewels.

Fortunately, someone donwloaded them in this short time . U know the rest of the story =)

TwiliteKid said:

olb99 said:

Acknowledge Me.

No, sorry -- I should have been more specific. Not Bonnie's part, but the "Yip yip yo!" heard at the beginning of this version.

He used that in Play In The Sunshine from the SOTT film.

PS - I guess it's okay to talk about this set now?

[Edited 7/26/12 14:49pm]

Romeoblu said:

1985 /1986 produced such a wealth of amazing music and this yet another gem. You could put together about 3 albums worth of quality music that he didn't release at the time. If only cd's were the main format in 1987 and we had got a 3 dsc set.

Hell, with these outtakes I made a 1999 sequel album...

Side 1

Turn It Up 5:20

Lust U Always 5:12

Do Yourself a Favor 8:42

Side 2

Purple Music 10:50

Possessed 8:47

Side 3

Extraloveable 7:22

Baby You're A Trip 3:47

Moonbeam Levels 3:57

Side 4

Electric Intercourse 5:27

Chocolate 5:53

No Call U 3:03

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[Edited 7/26/12 17:46pm]

Spinlight said:

I kinda LIKE "Go".

Is it the best thing he's ever done? No, but I've heard worse for sure.

I kinda think Prince himself leaks this stuff out...then pretends it's not him and that he hates when unreleased stuff gets out.

Analyst said:

I kinda LIKE "Go".

Is it the best thing he's ever done? No, but I've heard worse for sure.

I kinda think Prince himself leaks this stuff out...then pretends it's not him and that he hates when unreleased stuff gets out.

It's only leaked by him in the sense that somewhere along the way he made a cassette or a CD with the song on it for someone -- sometimes a publishing company, sometimes a record label, sometimes another artist who might be interested in covering it, or more realistically some piece of ass he's trying to impress. And then that person or organization passes it around to the people who might be interested, some of whom are hardcore fans that actually give a shit about whatever's on that tape or CD.

PurpleMedley122 said:

Romeoblu said:

1985 /1986 produced such a wealth of amazing music and this yet another gem. You could put together about 3 albums worth of quality music that he didn't release at the time. If only cd's were the main format in 1987 and we had got a 3 dsc set.

Hell, with these outtakes I made a 1999 sequel album...

Side 1

Turn It Up 5:20

Lust U Always 5:12

Do Yourself a Favor 8:42

Side 2

Purple Music 10:50

Possessed 8:47

Side 3

Extraloveable 7:22

Baby You're A Trip 3:47

Moonbeam Levels 3:57

Side 4

Electric Intercourse 5:27

Chocolate 5:53

No Call U 3:03

[Edited 7/26/12 15:08pm]

[Edited 7/26/12 17:46pm]

Wow, great minds think alike. Not in the same order, but exactly the same songs I used to make a 1982-83 Prince cd of songs from that in between 1999-Purple Rain era. Too Cool.

I love Go! It is a classic. The Max 88 is one I have to listen with headphones to truly hear everything. Not really feeling that one.

joyinrepetition said:

SchlomoThaHomo said:

TwiliteKid said:

No, sorry -- I should have been more specific. Not Bonnie's part, but the "Yip yip yo!" heard at the beginning of this version.

He used that in Play In The Sunshine from the SOTT film.

[Edited 7/26/12 14:49pm]

Thank you!

Not as good as I thought...

Picked up both sets. Can't wait to hear a proper tweaked version of these, or if people want to start releasing lower sourced material now, that would be solid.

These collections are all over the map. I'm strangely reminded going to the local campus Used Record Store and getting Royal Jewels, Jewel Box I and II, Chocolate Box, etc.

Some points:

That High Fashion -> Mutiny transition still gets my dick hard.

Go needs to be finished. I thought the studio version would sound complete, but it's still underdeveloped

How many versions of Empty Room are there now?

I Wonder is still a damn jam

Open Book sounds awesome

Baby U're a Trip - Best I've ever heard. One of my first bootlegs was More Intimate Moments with Prince 12" and this was on it. Personal favorite.

Lust U Always has grown on me. I can't believe it.

errant said:

Analyst said:

I kinda LIKE "Go".

Is it the best thing he's ever done? No, but I've heard worse for sure.

I kinda think Prince himself leaks this stuff out...then pretends it's not him and that he hates when unreleased stuff gets out.

It's only leaked by him in the sense that somewhere along the way he made a cassette or a CD with the song on it for someone -- sometimes a publishing company, sometimes a record label, sometimes another artist who might be interested in covering it, or more realistically some piece of ass he's trying to impress. And then that person or organization passes it around to the people who might be interested, some of whom are hardcore fans that actually give a shit about whatever's on that tape or CD.

Indeed.

There is NOT A SINGLE REASON to believe that Prince is behind any of these leaks, and MANY FACTS to support the fact that he isn't. Please stop spreading false theories Analyst: it's been discussed for years and there is no debate.

Giveit2mebaby said:

TwiliteKid said:

Help me out here: Which track did he end up re-using the chant from The Line on? I can't place it right now.

Indeed, there's is something with the " fantasy " vocal bridge.

Can't find out ....................

One thing : This bunch of tracks have leaked by accident.

Some blogger had offered them on his website for very few minutes<.
The he supressed them after being yelled by his " friends " / happy few owners of this jewels.

Fortunately, someone donwloaded them in this short time . U know the rest of the story =)

Really????

Someone here that did not sound like a fake promised 2 years ago that a group of happy fews had agreed to "remaster" and release their original tapes collections for posterity, and that "songs" would "appear" online, slowly but surely. Since that a whole bunch of lo-gen outtakes, shows and rehearsals indeed poped-up online.

That person also publicizely begged one member of this "elite", someone who apparently had some stuff that none other had, to share his stuff too, despite this person's promise to a dead man to keep the songs for himself. We don't know how this situation evolved.

If what u say is true, it means that there are more people unwilling to share their gems. It would also explain why the leak is in mp3 only, not Flac.

On the other hand, it also seems that Connections is a separate release from this one and that it will soon appear.

It ain't over... and it's damn interesting.

Save the promise to the dead man, I don't really understand why anyone would want to keep rare stuff for themselves. It may have been useful to seduce girls back in the late 80's and early 90's, but c'mon, we aren't kids anymore: there is no more money to make with these outtakes, and there are no more girls to seduce either, so pleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase!!!

I'm listening to vol. 1 now: the sound quality is really good on most tracks, and the others are probably better than what we already had anyway ^^

Note to mods: shouldn't we rename this thread "Perfect Unreleased Prince"? It's obviously more about the whole collection than just "Go".

electricberet said:

Spinlight said:

American In Paris is not on it. It's also not called Connections.

What is on it would be versions either in better/best quality, unedited, and correct pitch for:

Baby Go Go

Go

Fuchsia Light

The Line (complete, not rehearsal take we're used to)

The Max (1988)

Our Destiny

Lust U Always (stereo)

Baby You're A Trip

Computer Blue (14m)

All Day All Night

There's also already-familiar perfect versions of Data Bank, Witness, etc.

I take it the other tracks you don't list are already out there in equal or better quality on other circulating bootlegs?

The ones on Perfect Unreleased Prince? In most situations, yes. There are slight differences to some tracks, like length or version, but they are not the greatest quality available. Pretty sure there's nothing of any improved quality on Disc 1.

errant said:

Spinlight said:

I'm not sure I'm supposed to say just yet because, as far as I know, the set isn't formally released and its just been passed around to some folks. When someone says things have "been leaked for a long time" or w/e, they're being naive and narrow minded.

What's more curious is why smooth says its not great quality because "Go" is in damn near CD quality (as are all the ones I listed, including Baby You're A Trip which has always suffered from terrible hiss).

Connections and what you're talking about arr 2 different things.

Maybe Connections isn't real.

Spinlight said:

electricberet said:

I take it the other tracks you don't list are already out there in equal or better quality on other circulating bootlegs?

The ones on Perfect Unreleased Prince? In most situations, yes. There are slight differences to some tracks, like length or version, but they are not the greatest quality available. Pretty sure there's nothing of any improved quality on Disc 1.

Oh... I didn't compare, I hoped somehow... Dammit! let's wait for Connections or whatever comes next...

databank said:

errant said:

It's only leaked by him in the sense that somewhere along the way he made a cassette or a CD with the song on it for someone -- sometimes a publishing company, sometimes a record label, sometimes another artist who might be interested in covering it, or more realistically some piece of ass he's trying to impress. And then that person or organization passes it around to the people who might be interested, some of whom are hardcore fans that actually give a shit about whatever's on that tape or CD.

Indeed.

There is NOT A SINGLE REASON to believe that Prince is behind any of these leaks, and MANY FACTS to support the fact that he isn't. Please stop spreading false theories Analyst: it's been discussed for years and there is no debate.

"Spreading false theories"?

Get over yourself. I had a random opinion on a topic and I said it. In no way was I stating any of that as fact, and frankly I'm free to say whatever I like as long as it doesn't go against the TOS of the board, and I'll continue to do just that. If you have a problem with that, I don't really care, to be blunt about it.

And frankly, I stand by that opinion too - it totally wouldn't surprise me - at all - if Prince puts this stuff out there himself. Maybe he does it this way because he gets a kick out of watching people play easter egg hunt for this stuff, or maybe he thinks it enhances the mystique around him and his work. I don't see at all how it's impossible. Why, just because he sometimes sics lawyers on people for copyright stuff? Let's be real here, it's a universal trait of human nature to say one thing and do another, I doubt Prince is any different in that respect. So he probably does the clutch-the-pearls act and pretends to be pissed off about this stuff publicly, then privately dumps it all onto the net himself.

Giveit2mebaby said:

One thing : This bunch of tracks have leaked by accident.

Some blogger had offered them on his website for very few minutes<.
The he supressed them after being yelled by his " friends " / happy few owners of this jewels.

Fortunately, someone donwloaded them in this short time . U know the rest of the story =)

Interesting. But it's definitely not the first time something like this happens (e.g. T and Fantasia/Deposition back in the 90s).

olb99 said:

Giveit2mebaby said:

One thing : This bunch of tracks have leaked by accident.

Some blogger had offered them on his website for very few minutes<.
The he supressed them after being yelled by his " friends " / happy few owners of this jewels.

Fortunately, someone donwloaded them in this short time . U know the rest of the story =)

Interesting. But it's definitely not the first time something like this happens (e.g. T and Fantasia/Deposition back in the 90s).

Fantasia and Deposition were physically stolen from T. That's a big difference.

Spinlight said:

olb99 said:

Interesting. But it's definitely not the first time something like this happens (e.g. T and Fantasia/Deposition back in the 90s).

Fantasia and Deposition were physically stolen from T. That's a big difference.

Really? That's not how I remember the story...

As Bart once said, we should build an archive of all the stuff T posted on amp, etc. Lots of interesting stories to read in there.

Spinlight said:

olb99 said:

Interesting. But it's definitely not the first time something like this happens (e.g. T and Fantasia/Deposition back in the 90s).

Fantasia and Deposition were physically stolen from T. That's a big difference.

And T. & co stolen these songs from Prince...sorry...this is the thieve stolen by other thieves..this is the same story over & over!!

Analyst said:

databank said:

Indeed.

There is NOT A SINGLE REASON to believe that Prince is behind any of these leaks, and MANY FACTS to support the fact that he isn't. Please stop spreading false theories Analyst: it's been discussed for years and there is no debate.

"Spreading false theories"?

Get over yourself. I had a random opinion on a topic and I said it. In no way was I stating any of that as fact, and frankly I'm free to say whatever I like as long as it doesn't go against the TOS of the board, and I'll continue to do just that. If you have a problem with that, I don't really care, to be blunt about it.

And frankly, I stand by that opinion too - it totally wouldn't surprise me - at all - if Prince puts this stuff out there himself. Maybe he does it this way because he gets a kick out of watching people play easter egg hunt for this stuff, or maybe he thinks it enhances the mystique around him and his work. I don't see at all how it's impossible. Why, just because he sometimes sics lawyers on people for copyright stuff? Let's be real here, it's a universal trait of human nature to say one thing and do another, I doubt Prince is any different in that respect. So he probably does the clutch-the-pearls act and pretends to be pissed off about this stuff publicly, then privately dumps it all onto the net himself.

I am sorry if I offended you buy you ARE spreading false theories (you are even INSISTING on doing it) and therefore you ARE feeding the hysterions. Next thing I know you'll claim that the songs on Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic are dedicated to Vanity

Check your facts, check the numerous past threads about it, check Alan Leeds' interviews: we know that Prince wasn't happy with the leaks, we know how most of the outtakes leaked, we know who got them, we know who bootlegged them, we know who leaks them now: I don't know each and every name but I know a few, and many people here know most of them, some people are even thanked on the new free boots' covers for providing their original tapes. There are many stories around about how such or such series or outtakes, or concert recordings, leaked, and they're not urban legends. I know exactly how the Cannes 2010 concert leaked for example, and still some people claim it comes from Prince. There is the aforementioned story about T., etc.

On the other hand there NEVER was anyone from Prince's camp, past or present, to claim that Prince ever leaked a recording with the purpose of it being made public (save maybe Turn Me Loose). NEVER. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Out of hundreds of interviews of dozens of people -some of them not being nice to Prince nor supporting his official mythos- no one ever reported such a thing or supported such a theory. That and the fact that basically, it's always the same songs, shows and rehearsals being rereleased again and again with better sound quality, save a few new ones every once in a while, all being from before 1996, before Prince quit giving tapes to anyone and took strong measures precisely to avoid further leaks.

So yeah you can THINK that Prince leaks the outtakes and you can also THINK that Prince is gay, that he wrote Strange But True for Vanity, that he knew about the September 11 attacks in advance, that the hundreds of songs in the vault are not existing at all save the ones we have, that Bria Valente is a transsexual and that there is a monster living in the Loch Ness, but while there is no fact supporting your theories, there are many naive people and young, new fans, that come here and read such things and believe them and spreads them as facts.

This is not about Prince as much as about the internet: I wrote several articles about this, how the internet is becoming a massive disinformation tool, not because of governments or international companies or the media or some illuminati conspiration but because of the USERS themselves, who keep spreading "theories" all the time and who, just like u did, become insulting whenever someone politely points out that there bis no fact behind what they "think".

We are killing the best freedom of speech tool we've ever been given, and we are doing it in the name of freedom of speech. You just did.

olb99 said:

Spinlight said:

Fantasia and Deposition were physically stolen from T. That's a big difference.

Really? That's not how I remember the story...

As Bart once said, we should build an archive of all the stuff T posted on amp, etc. Lots of interesting stories to read in there.

I seem to remember, in one of T's longwinded and terribly typed rants, that he had personally hung out with the person who stole the tapes that became Deposition (and eventually, PreposiTion). This was part of why he charged like $60 for burned copies of PreposiTion, which was just Deposition in the same or similar quality.

I also seem to remember that T knew which copies of things were his and which weren't because of little tags he'd put in them. I remember a clip of a perfectly mastered extended Computer Blue (bass-thumping, clear, sharp quality) in which T looped the opening guitar solo in the background. Nobody noticed it until he mentioned what he had done.

I also remember that his vow to Never Forget was that he would not leak the more rare songs or classic boots in pristine quality because it would've tipped off the breadcrumb trail all the way back to Prince.

For what it's worth, T is responsible for the vast (VAST) majority of outtakes we all have. Additionally, his tenure at The NPG Store in Uptown was short but he was able to get hundreds of songs that he has, mostly, shared. He also remastered the rehearsal Electric Intercourse by request to make it sound like it was done up for the PR album and it has made the rounds on countless boots.

When asked why "Large Room With No Light" has never surfaced in better quality, T simply stated that he never searched or asked for better quality copies because he hated the song.

Spinlight said:

olb99 said:

Really? That's not how I remember the story...

As Bart once said, we should build an archive of all the stuff T posted on amp, etc. Lots of interesting stories to read in there.

I seem to remember, in one of T's longwinded and terribly typed rants, that he had personally hung out with the person who stole the tapes that became Deposition (and eventually, PreposiTion). This was part of why he charged like $60 for burned copies of PreposiTion, which was just Deposition in the same or similar quality.

I also seem to remember that T knew which copies of things were his and which weren't because of little tags he'd put in them. I remember a clip of a perfectly mastered extended Computer Blue (bass-thumping, clear, sharp quality) in which T looped the opening guitar solo in the background. Nobody noticed it until he mentioned what he had done.

I also remember that his vow to Never Forget was that he would not leak the more rare songs or classic boots in pristine quality because it would've tipped off the breadcrumb trail all the way back to Prince.

For what it's worth, T is responsible for the vast (VAST) majority of outtakes we all have. Additionally, his tenure at The NPG Store in Uptown was short but he was able to get hundreds of songs that he has, mostly, shared. He also remastered the rehearsal Electric Intercourse by request to make it sound like it was done up for the PR album and it has made the rounds on countless boots.

When asked why "Large Room With No Light" has never surfaced in better quality, T simply stated that he never searched or asked for better quality copies because he hated the song.

Fascinating: I've read some T. stuff here and there but many things here are new to me. There should indeed be a compilation of his writings.

Question: how did working in the NPG Store allow him to put his hands on Vault songs? Was there a direct way to access the tracks or was it just because it allowed him to know the right people?

Question: this had to be around 1993-1994, but by then hundreds of outtakes were already out (though in very poor sound quality): what does it mean regarding T's involvement?

Question: is this T. the same person that worked at Edel and explained online how the Jacob Armen album and some promos were released without P's consent, and that some of the leaked 1994 stuff comes from tapes that were sent to Edel for possible future release (early Exodus configuration, 24...) or is this another guy?

I know that there was a french guy behind several early 90's bootlegs (the colors series IIRC, but I'm not sure), and at the time he told a mutual friend that he deliberately fucked-up the sound quality of the pristine tapes he had. It's possible that this guy lied to our mutual friend but said friend sure didn't lie to me, and he wasn't exactly a naive person. I wonder how this guy is related to T (if at all).

U know, when all is said and done it could be quite fascinating if someone published a history of Prince bootlegs: how the tracks leaked, all the stories between the "elite" traders, etc.

databank said:

KingSausage said:

databank said:

Fascinating: I've read some T. stuff here and there but many things here are new to me. There should indeed be a compilation of his writings.

Question: how did working in the NPG Store allow him to put his hands on Vault songs? Was there a direct way to access the tracks or was it just because it allowed him to know the right people?

Question: this had to be around 1993-1994, but by then hundreds of outtakes were already out (though in very poor sound quality): what does it mean regarding T's involvement?

Question: is this T. the same person that worked at Edel and explained online how the Jacob Armen album and some promos were released without P's consent, and that some of the leaked 1994 stuff comes from tapes that were sent to Edel for possible future release (early Exodus configuration, 24...) or is this another guy?

I know that there was a french guy behind several early 90's bootlegs (the colors series IIRC, but I'm not sure), and at the time he told a mutual friend that he deliberately fucked-up the sound quality of the pristine tapes he had. It's possible that this guy lied to our mutual friend but said friend sure didn't lie to me, and he wasn't exactly a naive person. I wonder how this guy is related to T (if at all).

U know, when all is said and done it could be quite fascinating if someone published a history of Prince bootlegs: how the tracks leaked, all the stories between the "elite" traders, etc.

Fuck. Now I'm going to spend all day wishing I was reading that book. Despite being a longtime Prince fan, an .Orger from the old purple & black days, and having a few good connections (pun intended), most of this info is new to me. And it's fascinating! Also, I really hope Connections is different than Perfect Unreleased. I want a more pristine version of Moonbeam Levels, damnit.

Well, regarding that Edel story, that guy who worked there (who may or may not be T., i can't remember) explained on a forum that Prince had sent them quite a number of tapes for intended future releases (was this for pure informational purposes or masters to be used for pressing? I don't know...), at some point in 1994 when NPG Records was supposed to be the new Paisley Park, with the 1-800 New-Funk comp being the starting point of the new label.

This guy explained that Edel's executives decided to release, in a very limited number, Jacob Armen's album and a couple of singles or promo singles (Mayte mostly, and possibly the Margie Cox/Madhouse single but I'm not sure) without waiting for Prince's greenlight (which never came) and without telling anyone at Paisley Park (they never knew), the only purpose of the whole operation being that Edel's executives would have rare collectibles in their hands, that they could later sell for high prices on the collector's market. These releases were official, with catalogue number and all, but nonetheless done without anyone's approval. It's unlikely that these records were ever sent to record stores, and if they were it was only a matter of a few dozens or a few hundreds at most.

This is ONLY my personal theory (i.e. the guy didn't say anything about it), but the only reason that some other things they had, such as Madhouse's 24, ended-up as bootlegs is possibly that they were higher profile releases in terms of Prince involvement, and that no matter how limited, there's no way Prince wouldn't have known about a new Madhouse album, or an alternate version of Exodus, let alone a release of the Love Sign maxi-single WB had forbidden.

Another interesting info that this guy revealed is that at this point in 1994, Prince planned to rerelease quite a number of Paisley Park albums on Edel: the first 2 Madhouse, Ingrid Chavez' album, the 2 Eric Leeds' albums and a couple of others. Eventually, only Hey Man, Smell My Finger and The Voice were rereleased by Edel. One may wonder how Prince could possibly have done this with WB owning the masters, and this was solved by Alan Leeds, who explained on this very forum that the rights for most of Paisley Park's releases reverted back to Prince as soon as WB shut the label down, which in turn may also explain why Prince copyrighted the names of Mazarati and Good Question a few years back, as well as his reluctance to let The Time and The Family use their old names.

Another story I remember (by T.) about the infamous "stolen outtakes" is that they were... intercepted by people from a fan magazine while being in the possession of that dying guy in the hospital. I always found it odd because in the late 90's mentioning "people from a fan magazine" without any other clue would automatically point in the direction of... well: you know which magazine I'm talking about. And I also wonder how these people could possibly intercept the songs. I don't know either how that fits with Spinlight's infos above.

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Spinlight said:

Dauphin said:

...How many versions of Empty Room are there now?...

I think this 'version' is just the live C-NOTE one.

Obviously, "The perfect unrealeased" series have leaked by accident. "Giveittomebaby" told us the true story about it. "Connections" has nothing to do with all this perfect unrealeased stuff.

The guy behind this project has only upload 4 tracks : "American in Paris" "Vicky waiting", "Our destiny" & "Lust u always". These 2 tracks have not been compressed while they have been tweaked in the the perfect unrealeased compilation. Listen to both tracks, you'll clearly hear the difference.

What we don't know by now is whether this "Connections" project will ever see the light of day and what's on it.Someone said it would be released in late august but nothing is sure about this.

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