NeonCraxx said: If you want a good album, you're going to have to wait for it.
It's crazy, people always want an album every year and wonder why they think it's so "hit and miss" and sounds "rushed". Damn right it's rushed. You were begging for a new album as soon as the last one got released.
Patience is key, so hold your titties.
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OUCH
I sure hope not.
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O come on, the world is bigger than a few grumpy old orgers.
I hope his albums were a result of him enjoying music. I hope he feels an internal need for composing and writing lyrics and creating music. If he really only released his albums to make money and please a few grumpy orgers, it would make sense he would not release an album anymore.
My bet is that he's a musician by heart. No musician would be happy with creating something for a vault. That's ridicilous.
How can he not invent new rifs and not share it? That's just childish.
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Did I miss something? I thought Prince said he wasn't releasing any more new albums. All the music playing on Mpls Radio feels like a new album to me anyway. I never did do bootlegs. | |
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I believe more people than orgers listen to him. Still reading orger reviews is ridiculous the don't listen to the music they dissect it. They talk about what happened on track 8 at the 2:13 mark. I have never pulled out a stopwatch when I listened to music. Either I like or I don't, either it'll grow on me or it won't. From reading on here I gathered that Chaos & Disorder didn't fare well in org eyes upon it's release but now it's much more regarded. Sometimes I feel orgers are toobusy analyzing what they claim to love to really find the time to love it the way they should, without reservation.
Personally I hope he does release more CDs in the future and also continues to tour more frequently. When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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I remember about two months after 20Ten the "What's Next..." threads started up. When go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all up in the house but when log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming! | |
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I actually get what you're saying, but life doesn't work that way. Opinions are subjective, and if you don't like something, you certainly aren't going to "love" it, so there's absolutely no way you could love it without reservation. I mean, I don't even listen to "Take Me With U" because I've always thought that song was complete crap. And that comes from a time when I pretty much felt Prince could do no wrong.
Anyway, I digressed there a little bit.
The only way to decide if you like something or not is to look at the different, disparate parts - proces them, "anylize" them, and come to a conclusion.
Are there too many Prince fans at the org who complain about EVERYTHING the guy does these days? Yes, of course. But there's probably just as many who think everything he's ever done is of equal quality and should be "loved" all the same. And that is simply not true.
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I actually get what you're saying, but life doesn't work that way. Opinions are subjective, and if you don't like something, you certainly aren't going to "love" it, so there's absolutely no way you could love it without reservation. I mean, I don't even listen to "Take Me With U" because I've always thought that song was complete crap. And that comes from a time when I pretty much felt Prince could do no wrong.
Anyway, I digressed there a little bit.
The only way to decide if you like something or not is to look at the different, disparate parts - proces them, "anylize" them, and come to a conclusion.
Are there too many Prince fans at the org who complain about EVERYTHING the guy does these days? Yes, of course. But there's probably just as many who think everything he's ever done is of equal quality and should be "loved" all the same. And that is simply not true.
Sometimes I'm quite glad I don't understand music and all the technical stuff like a lot of you do, because I can't dissect it! A song either stirs up an emotion or it doesn't! I like it or I don't! I'd probably enjoy less songs if they all had to be technically perfect! On the other side of the coin maybe I'm missing how brilliant prince actually is, because I dont realize how complex some of his music is? Which is why I quite listening to podcasts etc as its nice to have little details I missed pointed out, and so far I haven't been put off a song I liked yet! | |
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Emotion is a HUGE part of it for me. A lot of Prince's music stopped having an emotional impact on me at one point during the 90s. And when it did, it wasn't whole albums anymore, it was just a track here and there. Unfortunately, that never really changed, although I do think he's since released some great stuff. And I've come pretty close to enjoying entire albums. But there's usually a track or two that makes me go, "whaaa?"
I'll be the first to admit that some things do sound better to me after stewing on them for a couple years. I'm that way with a lot of music, though, not just Prince. I have to listen to it, process it and decide what kind of an impact its having on me emotionally, musically, technically, etc. All of it, not just Prince. Sometimes I come around on something, sometimes I actually end up disliking it six months later.
Strangely, I really loved Chaos & Disorder when it was released. I walked into a record store one day it was in the Prince section. Wasn't even in the new releases. I bought it, checked it out and erally enjoyed it. At that time I wasn't regularly involved with any online Prince community, so I had no clue what that album was all about. So I get what people are saying about "loving" something just for what it is. But I don't think that's an unconditional love. It has to be constantly earned. Further, I don't think it's healthy for it to be all-encompassing. Never have. Nobody is perfect, and when you've recorded and released as much music as Prince has there's bound to be some stinkers in there.
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I don't think that's an unconditional love. It has to be constantly earned. Further, I don't think it's healthy for it to be all-encompassing. Never have. Nobody is perfect, and when you've recorded and released as much music as Prince has there's bound to be some stinkers in there.
[/quote] I agree, I'll be surprised if there is a fan who really loves every single song without question! He has such a vast collection of work, that has encompassed so many different styles that he can't keep everyone happy all of he time! Also As you say, feelings evoked by a song will always have an impact on how much we like them! A lot of us were adolescents when his earlier more popular music was released and I wonder if that's why we're like it more? I mean I heard starfish and coffee for the first time when I was in a new relationship with really cool guy and I love the song, but also the memories it evokes? Maybe some of the fans just like the older stuff so much more because of nostalgia? | |
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Absolutely some of it is just nostalgia. Or a longing for a simpler, easier time. Which is, as you say, largely related to the memories we have of our more formative years. Or even of significant events based around the music. But I've had some of those with Prince's music as recently as 2004, which I certainly never expected.
Unfortunately, there are far more fans than you might think who have an unhealthy relastionship with Prince's music and persona. Even now.
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I agree 100% there.
For me his music lost it's emotional soul in the 90's. To me it felt like he was just going through the motions aping whatever new novelty pop sound was on the radio. Dreaming about being #1 at the bank. When you so blatantly and desperately chase money, and are only in it for the money, it is always obvious and pathetic. When being #1 at the bank is your most important goal, you as an artist are pretty much done. Only second rate artists are supposed to go there with the pandering, and Prince jumped head first all giddy and boastful with the pandering.
His desire at being "#1 at the bank" succinctly summarizes his 90's artistic output.
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He wore assless pants, wrote slave on his face, got out of his record contract, started playing with dinosaurs (to the young paying public) like maceo and larry -- all because he was desperately chasing money, to be #1 at the bank? I'm not saying you are one of them, but I never understood the orgers who claim all he cares about is money, yet at the same time, criticize him for making bad business decisions and missing out on tons of money! (like releasing remasters, doing duets with "hot" young artists, selling concert DVDs, putting his stuff on itunes, appearing on reality shows/contests, etc. etc.). This guy obviously does not care that much about money as people think! As for emotional impact, a lot of it does have to do with one's age at time of listening. Those teen years are very impressionable, and if you were a teen fan in the '90s, his '90s output does have emotional impact, at least they did for me.
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I'm am not arguing with anyone, I respect your opinion and am merely speaking for myself.
But cant believe we could view the Get Wild and 3121 perfumes as purely artistic statements or anything other than pandering. But that's just me.
He appeared American Idol, Oprah, Arsenio Hall, Tonight Show, Leno, Letterman, with the Spice Girl, Chis Rock, and the tons of other mainstream programs strictly for socializing purposes and not hocking anything? It was all strictly benevolent? I am not sure about that. But I know that at the height of his popularity he would avoid that type of thing like the plague.
Maybe it's just me, and I was not even alive in 84, but I find The Beautiful Ones a lot more emotional than Jughead and just about everything else he has released post 87
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Nobody said he's not hocking anything - he's a musician and probably loves making music for its own sake, but he's also in the music business and needs to make money of course. Professional musicians, that means those who earn their living off of it, promote their stuff by being musical guests on shows and doing interviews, and yes he did it before the magical cut-off date of 1987 too, but keep in mind there were less talk shows and other shows in the '80s than in the 90s and beyond but he still did them (SNL, American Bandstand, Solid Gold). And choosing Jughead to compare to The Beautiful Ones is a bit disingenuous. Anyway, I'm not here to argue anything - I've already posted way more than I had ever intended and certainly don't intend to get into some pointless "argument" on a message board with a fellow fan. It just hit a nerve reading, again, about how much he only cares for $$, when even/especially his harshest critics point out that his mind is not focused on maximizing his income.
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In the Netherlands I only remember his appearance during a tv program by interviewer Ivo Niehe. Who is a overall respected host, not to critical however very intellegent. Prince was okay, not very friendly or open imo.
I don't understand what is wrong with him appearing in shows. The ones you mention are not that horrible, now are they? I apreciate how he has stayed out of the gossip circuit all his life. I think he gained a lot of respect by that. And appearing in some shows doesn't make him a lousy mucisian, does it?
I agree that he seemed to be more emotional involved with his music when he was younger. I miss that total surrender to. It's has a more sarcastic and bitter undertone. More dissapointed than fiercefully believing what he is singing about. I don't know, is it possible he's blasé?
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Fortunately individuals differ in how they apreciate music. And some are very particular or need time to adjust their own high expectations for every new release.
And I really like reading all these different ways fans respond to the same song. The vast variety of P's fanbase is one of the things I really like about him. It demonstrates that he's not representing a temporary subculture, but that he is a genuine musician.
He doesn't fit in one box and as a result he has the utmost wild and variable fanbase there is. As a musician he is loved by young & old, people from every skin color and culture, gender and educational background.
Fans of Jay-Z want to adopt his rich pimp image (well, it can't be his music, can it?). Fans of Marilyn Manson want to secularize themselves from dominant societal values. Princefans can't establish their identity based on associating themselves with Prince. So, he only has fans who truly love his music. And ofcourse his willingnes to experiment with clothes, music, life-styles and sex. For me, that is why I'm a fan. And I tend to ignore his extrem orthodox fases. I tell myself he just needed a framework for his soul in turmoil. His need to stretch psychological and physical boundaries is what I love about him.
I love the org because the sheer diverse people I converse with and, admittedly, feel affectionate about. And if I were Prince, I would be proud of that. I would embrace the 'anal' listeners, the devouts, the casuals, the supporting fans who don't love everything he does. I really think he can be proud he gets the support of a steady and diverse fanbase as he has on the org and the rest of the globe.
Chaos&Disorder wasn't delivered when I signed up for the fanclub I also needed time to get over that before I bought it and started to apreciate it.
And, as abovementioned, not every Prine song will be liked by every Prince fan.
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I'm in dubio if that is attributable to the quality of 20Ten or to fans that are too hungry for material?
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Yes, I agree.
Everybody gets hurt during their 20's. Naturally youth things they will change the world and do a better job than previous generations did. That's normal. It's also normal to find out it doesn't work like that.
Some youngsters then adjust their views on human kind and how the world works. They understand it's not as simple as they thought when they were 20 and understand why previous generations also didn't manage to change the world in a day. These individuals are still able to stay emotionally involved in life.
Some people can't accept it works like that, stay dissapointed and as a reaction they retract themselves emotionally from that dissapointment. They adopt big ego's, depressions or compulsive tendencies to deal with their unresolved expectancies about life.
His lyrics and music of his young days are so fantastic because it's that youthful dream. The dissapointmed that change doesn't come quick might have dissapointed him so much, he retracted himself emotionally. I can imagine he felt he was 100% responsible for that and in order to protect that feeling of failure he adopted that narcisitic '90-s style. And as a reaction to that, he went to the other extremes of religion. Maybe he will manage to see al shades of grey in stead of the black and white view that drives him to these kind of extremes.
I don't know, I just hope he'll grow his confidence and dares to rely on himself. So, he doesn't find himself manipulated by people. People who like to make Prince dependant of themselves because it provides them with the easy life.
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Dear Prince, here is how you release an album that has sucess at least like Musicology: Step1. Sign with a major record label. Step 2. spend a lot of time in the studio (we can honestly say he has). Its been 2 years. Make tracks as good as you can. Step 3. Put all that silly Jehovah business aside, or even leave the damn cult (no offense). Step 4. Get used to it. The internet is far from over, distribute via LEGAL music downloading websites. You can also do what the Red Hot Chili peppers are doing and release that new stuff for vinyl as well. Step 5. Do a few more interviews like what you did on Geroge Lopez (BTW, Damn Conan for being the reason that awesome show ended). Step 6. being with a major company means promotion. Step 7. Stay as far as you can from the dark side of Hollywood like you've always done. Step 8. Choose a good track for the first single. Step 9. Don't turn towards the crap we hear on the radio nowadays- keep it funky
By the way, I don't think Prince has intentions of being mainstream again.
Oh wait- the most important one- DON'T EVER RELEASE AN ALBUM EXCLUSIVELY FOR 1 COUNTRY AGAIN!
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^ You sure he's going to read all of that? | |
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He didn't did he?
The Newspaper was available everywhere around the world.
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I just take this time between Prince albums to discover other new music or even delve into older bands' catalogs.
Also, I try to stay away from the Org whenever a new project is announced or released. The comments all turn negative after the initial excitement wears off.
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Pure speculation on his psyche, but I find it spot-on and incredibly insightful. [Edited 6/3/12 16:07pm] [Edited 6/3/12 16:08pm] Yes, Prince. If we got married that WOULD be cool. | |
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