Do yall really think the bandwagonners from 1984-1985 who propelled Purple Rain to its huge success really give a shit about The Revolution anymore.
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if i can just add 2 this in one aspect, prince has also acknowledged his mistakes in not touring during the sign o the times tour in america, his decision 2 abrubtly change the touring plans 4 the lovesexy tour was all because he was pissed at the retailers in the USA for stocking the lovesexy album behind the counter so he opened up in europe. by the time he started the tour in the usa in september it was a full 4-5 months since the release of the album and the singles weren't being played on the radio or videos being played on mtv.
prince's main problem back then and still today is this notion that once he releases his new music, he doesn't have 2 do anything else 2 promote it and that's so not true. on the jay leno show where he was asked at the time of why the tour was going 2 be the last time the hits were done "so that more new music can be done" 8 years later were still waiting on that! lol
there is a balance that can be made where it's like the lovesexy or act 1 tour with one half being new one half being old. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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Yep ... A Jedi Mind trick would work ... I can see a pretty petite olive complexioned woman walking up to Prince ( that would be a NEW Muse ) and whisper in his ear: Peace ... & Stay Funky ...
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Respectfully, I disagree, i think he's coasting: I am happy that Prince is enjoying mainstream success with the W2 gh tour but have no further inclination to experience it myself any time soon.
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I agree. Unfortunately that would require that concert goers are familiar with any 'current' material for the first half to work!
I really hope when Prince does drop a new album that he capitalises on the renewed interest generated during the W2 2010-12 touring and actually promotes heavily and, perhaps, start to introduce the new material in the first half of his sets | |
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If you are talking about the time Prince was on Leno to promote Musicology. He did not say that, he said (to paraphrase) to make room for something more. Which I took for a personal leave from touring perhaps to get spiritual or personal issues fixed? 99.9% of everything I say is strictly for my own entertainment | |
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and the new songs can't be just one off's either. they have 2 become a staple in the show man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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I don't disagree that Prince has made what some of us would deem as bad business moves, but prior to SOTT and Lovesexy those bad business moves would have been publicized as "mad genius." But, when you are no longer "hot," then your bad business moves are promoted as lame or out of touch. Additionally, from 1987 to 89, the times were changing more rapidly than Prince realized or he was just unwilling to fight to remain on the radio, MTV, and the charts. Maybe he was a bit arrogant that his music was better than everything else out there and did not need tours to keep it in heavy rotation on radio, MTV, and the charts. But, regardless, the message was sent by the general buying public and by his so-called "real" or "diehard" fans that they don't like nor want his new music, which leads to an overabundance of the hits. * Now, I'm with you. I want the new stuff. I want one hour of new stuff and one hour of hits. I just think that he has received the message from the general buying public and his so-called "real" and "diehard" fans to leave the new stuff at home when he travels. My only issue is that the people who have spent the last twenty years bemoaning his output can't have it both ways. They can't bitch about the poor quality of his last twenty years and then bitch that all he plays are hits. Well, they can, but I'm amazed that they don't view that as being hypocritical. | |
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I am willing to agree to disagree. Yet, for me, again, songs like "Musicology," "Colonized Mind," "Ol' Skool Company," and "Fury" move me as much today as his eighties work, and I've been a fan since 1980. | |
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Ah yes! I thought it was just me who noticed that and I'm actually on the play more new music instead of all hits camp.
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May seem confusing on the surface level, but he always performs the material with fresh arrangments and new musicians. Its his legacy he will always play those songs if he thinks thats what folks want to hear, but with a new spin. When you play a instrument, its almost like channeling. These days we just want to see who gets it, technology is just a tool and I am not supposed to be online anymore, hope that doesn't sound cryptic. I need some sleep. Have a good one dude. Im getting spacey but I will hit post anyway lol | |
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I'd agree - they move me too - but he's not playing CM, OSC or Fury regularly is he! | |
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Again, that is because his so-called "diehard" and "hardcore" fans along with the general public have been telling him that his newer stuff sucks. I may be wrong in my estimation, but it seems that the vast majority of the members of this site have the "I like the eighties music, and everything else sucks" mentality so if the people who claim you as their favorite artist constantly tell you that your new work sucks, and he isn't selling records or on the charts like he once was, then there is no recourse, for him at least, other than playing the hits. The man loves to perform live, but performing live is as much a business as it is about his love so it seems that playing the hits allows him to do what he loves doing at some level. Thus, playing the hits isn't about coasting; it’s about trying to find a way to do what one loves to do even when one must sacrifice something, which, in this case, is playing newer music. I would love for him to schedule dates in much smaller venues and announce that he's playing mostly songs written after 2000, but I don't know how financially practical that would be, especially considering, again, that his so-called "diehard" fans have been, again, bashing that work for twenty years. Yes, many people say that they love something so much that they would do it for free, but they still accept the payment. Prince is in the music business, and there is a major doubt that he could have a financially successful tour by limiting the hits or playing mostly newer songs. Again, that's not coasting; that's business. I love my job; it’s all I ever wanted to do, but I cannot do it for free, and often, like so many other millions of people, I must compromise or do something that I don’t like doing in order to maintain my job. Playing the hits, for Prince, is a necessary evil if he wants to continue to earn wages playing music, and the research department, i.e. Prince.org, has told him time and time again to leave the new work at home when he tours because they don’t want to hear it. Now, most of those same people are just being hypocrites by complaining that all he plays are hits. | |
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Sorry, but not only do I find that to be incorrect I find it kinda laughable that someone suggests the org has any sway over Prince.
Those specific songs you listed above were WILDLY praised when their respective albums came out. Musicology goes down great at the shows, check the footage. Colonized Mind was hyped by fans on the org as a bit of a shockingly good track (think Laydown from 20TEN) that it almost outshined the rest of the record. When people talk about LotusFlower, Colonized Mind is the first song people mention. Everything else is "oh and some other stuff on the LF disc."
"Fury" was RAVED about on the org. Especially when he tore through it on SNL and then of course the video (which was kinda tame, but people just like seeing P do his thing).
Prince put the new stuff away not because of diehards, but because of newbies. Problem there is that the new people don't ever stop coming. So he will be riding that concept of introducing new people to his music via the live show for as long as he chooses to continue coasting. | |
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Seems like some of you got the wrong interpretation of a "diehard". A diehard should be the ones that enjoy almost anything Prince decides to play where as a "casual" fan would be the ones that only want to hear mainly hits! I see some of you calling a diehard the ones that only want to hear hits; that doesn't make any since. | |
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Sorry, but I remember it quite differently than you. A good number of people, if not a majority of people on this site, slammed Lotusflow3r, slammed MPLS , slammed 20Ten, and many stated that "Fury" and "Guitar" were overly produced and lacked punch. And when people were raving about the "Fury" SNL performance there was still criticism that the studio version was stale and why couldn't it sound more like the live version. So, yes, those albums and songs were wildly praise by some of us, but the same old org majority of "Prince ain't done nothing since blah, blah, blah" were out in full force for all three of those albums. Additionally, my comments are not to suggest that "the org has any sway over Prince," as if it is powerful entity to which Prince makes no decisions without checking with it first, but it is one of the few places that is supposed to be a measuring point to know what Prince’s fans think of his work. Yet, I find it laughable that people can say that this is a fansite with a straight face. Now, I come here because the most recent Prince news is usually here, and as I've gotten older I'm too lazy to look elsewhere for my up to date Prince news, but when the site that proclaims to be a fansite consistently is the most harsh and negative to Prince's new work it does send a message that not even the people who purport to being his biggest supporters support his newer work. So, when he is deciding to tour and plan material and there is little to no support for his latest work by his so-called "diehard" or "real" fans, then what is the motivation to play those songs when he is hearing from both sides not to play them? * Additionally, I don't see the notion that he put away the new stuff for the newbies as valid simply because newbies usually want to experience everything, old and new. Yes, he states that parents are bringing their children and a lot of new people are there, but the vast majority of people attending the shows are casual fans who only know the hits and long-time fans who have complained about his new work for the past twenty years so it makes financial sense to play the hits. It is not coasting to play the songs that people demand that you play, and it's not coasting as long as he is creating the songs that I mentioned before. I guess what I find most interesting is that when Prince creates something that someone does not like, the dislike of it can't possibly be due simply to aesthetic difference; it has to be that he has lost it, or he is coasting, even though I still hear the fire, urgency, and passion in the newer work. As for me, when Prince does something that I don't like, such as use House music, I don't think that he's lost it or coasting; I simply realize that I don't like House music. So, of course, we’ll agree to disagree on whether or not he is coasting and as to why he is playing the hits. | |
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The point that I was making by using "diehard" is that if the people who claim to be "diehards" are also the same people who have bemoaned his work for the past twenty years that would, I think, send the impression that even his so-called "diehards" don't like his newer work, which is more motivation to play the hits. And, I often used "so-called" before "diehard" to indicate the irony of these so-called "diehards." | |
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Works for me. I subscribe to the "by any means necessary" philosophy. I knew from the start that I loved you with all my heart. | |
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i honestly can't believe how overrated the revolution are by some fans. they were not a band in the strictest sense, they his backing band!!! sure, they influenced and contributed to his music in some ways but it was always his ship. individually they were all unremarkable musicians employed by prince as props because of their diversity and because they made him stand out even more. only with a backing band could he classify himself as a bandleader and bonafide rock frontman. they did have great on-stage chemistry but i believe that's because prince ran such a tight ship, much like JB. i'm pretty confident that if not for prince we would not even know who these individuals are. besides, i prefer the dez-era band. W&L's contribution is so grossly overrated it's laughable. Baby, that was much too fast... 1958-2016 | |
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Funkmeimfamous said: i honestly can't believe how overrated the revolution are by some fans. they were not a band in the strictest sense, they his backing band!!! sure, they influenced and contributed to his music in some ways but it was always his ship. individually they were all unremarkable musicians employed by prince as props because of their diversity and because they made him stand out even more. only with a backing band could he classify himself as a bandleader and bonafide rock frontman. they did have great on-stage chemistry but i believe that's because prince ran such a tight ship, much like JB. i'm pretty confident that if not for prince we would not even know who these individuals are. besides, i prefer the dez-era band. W&L's contribution is so grossly overrated it's laughable. Thank god someone else agrees with me. Revolution are vastly overrated. They did not even co write the majority of his music and yet the revolution fanboys act like they did | |
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I'd rather see him reunite with Andre', if he's going to reunite with anyone. They had their time growing up together in the same house, and did their thing together as musicians. Also, I really like the music from those days with Dre'. | |
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It's interesting isn't it? I still don't understand after all of these years. | |
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the whole revolution love fest mainly stems from purple rain, they are the band in the film it was a success and the tour. due 2 this, the general public only knows this band and not what came after which were a bunch of more talented musicians than the revolution. i was upset when the revolution broke up and this was b4 i got into bootlegs but i can say there are only a handful of prince and the revolution concerts that are top notch in my view where as the SOTT/Lovesexy, NPG bands whoop the revolutions ass all over the place. man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81 | |
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will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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I always wonder in what way this is true. Mostly it seems people don't want to accept what they actually did contribute. I never understand THAT either. As if anyone contributing somehow undecuts his genius. | |
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It is easy 2 accept what they actually did contribute. | |
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he'S moved on with his life and so should they.. | |
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U right! If Prince didn't cast them in Purple Rain & christened them "The Revolution". No one would even know their names. Now poor Prince has 2 regret that decision the rest of his life. As if he couldn't already do everything they did in his sleep.
do prefer the band with Dez & Andre better. But I'm bias. always missed the pre Purple Rain days. When the fans we're real & not bandwagon & unappreciative that Prince is a one man band that never needed no band 2 clarify his talent & success..He only needed them on stage & he personally had to teach all of them parts he played himself in the studio....Prince was signed to the WB not The Revolution... will ALWAYS think of like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. | |
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His albums with "The Revolution" were some of his best stuff. His albums with "The New Power Generation" were amongst some of the worst albums ever released by anyone. The Revolution albums sold millions more copies than anything else in his cannon,he will never sell these numbers again in his lifetime. The Revolution were dangerous. The New Power Generation are pussies.
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