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PrintableAnji said: NuPwrSoul said: Anji said: Are you saying people that listen to Prince, but don't believe in Jesus, are unthinking blind followers? That's how it sounds.
 Nope. I'm saying that if you want to be like someone, it's best to find out what/who their inspiration is and start with the root of what it is about them you want to be like. Whether it's Jesus, Prince, or whomever, the person is a product. If you want to be like that person, find out what produced them and study it. If you want to be a doctor find his teachers. If you want to be a lawyer find his teachers. If you want to be like a particular student, find his teachers. Go to the root.  Actually he has a bindi(sp?) dot on his forehead--the third eye. That's not something Jesus would have done. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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NuPwrSoul said: Anji said: NuPwrSoul said: Anji said: Are you saying people that listen to Prince, but don't believe in Jesus, are unthinking blind followers? That's how it sounds.
Nope. I'm saying that if you want to be like someone, it's best to find out what/who their inspiration is and start with the root of what it is about them you want to be like. Whether it's Jesus, Prince, or whomever, the person is a product. If you want to be like that person, find out what produced them and study it. If you want to be a doctor find his teachers. If you want to be a lawyer find his teachers. If you want to be like a particular student, find his teachers. Go to the root. Actually he has a bindi(sp?) dot on his forehead--the third eye. That's not something Jesus would have done. | |
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I think He went through His Own "Jesus" complex.His Battling Evil&Good.at the end of "Still Would Stand All Time" in "Graffti Bridge" it's Blantly there where He is Aiming at. mistermaxxx | |
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SERIOUS QUESTION - Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?
No! Because "HE" say's do not worship anything or anyone but The Farther, The Son and the Holy Sprit... :WORSHIP: 
Also at the Cele "HE" said "All the worship they show me I never chose this path, I just wanna be a little old guitar playin man..." This is not a Man thinking he is Jesus or was, but like NuPwrSoul said: Jesus was the kind of man that EVERYONE should strive to be! and I agree! The Image of Jesus, what does that mean to Y O U personally? love you baby but not like my guitar | |
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No, but it seemed that way in the GB movie... I do believe he feels as if he is a mouthpiece for God. cracknbush | |
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Haven't we all felt that way to some degree at times in our lives. As if we were sent here for a divine purpose by the Father. | |
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rdhull said: He always played this role--Controversy tour with his hands outstretched in front of the stained glass...I Would Die 4 U lyrics, Lets Go Crazy like he is the saviour-preacher-Jesus teaching the children in his beginning church organ speech...Purple Rain in the point of view of Jesus promising to take his people or THE people to a promised land of Purple Rain etc..Princ is a blashphemer and if one is christian he has some splainin' to do when he dies etc...
. [This message was edited Thu Feb 27 10:20:19 PST 2003 by rdhull] Methinks you misinterpret "Die 4 U", which is sung in the third person and is not supposed to be about its author. It's a narrative in the third person, and its imagery comes from certain parts of the bible about Jesus. Thematically it's no different than any other Prince song where he's trying to sell Jesus to his audience. [This message was edited Thu Feb 27 23:34:47 PST 2003 by Supernova] This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Oh, super. While we are posting such great "serious questions" how about this - how many Prince fans think Prince is Jesus? And if Jesus had an online music club, would you be willing to spend $100 per year on it, if you didn't know what music you'd be getting?
Come on ... you've all seen the cover of "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold". The robes and the outstretched arms a dead giveaway. Halleluiah! | |
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RiccoTheArtist said: SERIOUS QUESTION - Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?
[color=RED:86962fcf02:dd8fafc2df]No! Because "HE" say's do not worship anything or anyone but The Farther, The Son and the Holy Sprit... :WORSHIP:
Also at the Cele "HE" said "All the worship they show me I never chose this path, I just wanna be a little old guitar playin man..." This is not a Man thinking he is Jesus or was, but like NuPwrSoul said:[color=blue:86962fcf02:dd8fafc2df] Jesus was the kind of man that EVERYONE should strive to be! and I agree! The Image of Jesus, what does that mean to Y O U personally? and the choir said "AMEN"  | |
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did prince ever think he was Jesus?
I don't think so, but one of my friend's parents thought he worshiped the devil circa 1985,  ~KiKi | |
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NuPwrSoul said: Jesus was the kind of man that EVERYONE should strive to be.
 , so true~KiKi | |
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Watch Graffiti Bridge for visible references and similarities.
Here's one I noticed and discussed with fellow Prince folk: Prince walking with The NPG Band and Glam Slammers over to The Time's club to attack with that "Street Battlejam of Funk" called "Tick, Tick, Bang". He wears the one-piece white jumpsuit with his sleeves nearly covering his hands entirely..While I've not seen Jesus, this garb looks similar to those of Hollywood representaions of wise monks, religious figures, and Asian Martial Art masters... It's the same symbolic link utilized by George Lucas's "Jedi" outfits. The only difference is that Prince wore pants instead of full robes and bell bottoms. Prince has the beard and the long hair. Ingrid Chavez's character was part angel messenger (Gabriel?), Jesus (sacrifice), and mother (Mary). As a *gasp* Madonna figure, her existence and death gives "birth" to the future of peace and positive music above money, sexual objectification, violence, influence, and power. [Possibly a message to the burgeoning Hip Hop Culture at that time. The Gangsta Rap he saw approaching during "The Black Album" days.."Been there and done that to get ahead"] Morris was winning because he indulged in the lifestyle without apprehension and with arrogance. It was a "means to an end". The Kid always had more potential than he, but not the precision and character to win at all costs... The Kid's destiny was stuck between both worlds (That Gemini thing again). He was losing his "cool" and appeal because he cared enough to question the worth of it all.. He was wanting to get back what he lost, but yearned to stand for better things.. Tevin represented the future.. He watched everything and mimiced some good and bad things.. Mavis was wisdom and another "Mother" figure. She represented The "Gospel" roots of everyone's music with pure intentions.. George was...George? Candy was missing... Sheila missed a third Paisley Movie... Eric was in the wrong band. Doctor was an asian actor playing keyboards.. Jill was "Eve". (Was Jill portraying the same "Jill" [blond waitress character with crush] from "Purple Rain?) Cat should've been where Robin Power shouldn't... Billy Sparks was Moses and Adam whose two "sons", Morris (Cain) and Prince (Abel), were fighting over the land (clubs) and flock.. Man, there were all kinds of "heavy-handed" religious symbolism in this film. | |
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I saw "The Kid" on TV sporting the same "look" while attending the premeire.. He walked in the same way..
Long sleeve cuffs coving his hands like a wise Kung Fu Master of The 70's Films... His "entourage" followed behind him. [This message was edited Thu Feb 27 20:52:24 PST 2003 by NGSPW7200] | |
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I was looking at the 'Lovesexy' cover today, and it reminded of something about Jesus, his nakedness and what that meant, maybe because he was giving himself to God, as a man, in relation to one of the songs... [This message was edited Thu Feb 27 20:57:50 PST 2003 by Starmist7] | |
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I think up until recent times that Prince thought he was Jesus or had a GOD-like complex. (I was thinking the same thing about him when I saw the cover of TGRTEBS with the outstreched arms and the robe). I think that once he found the JW religion that he began to understand his place as man, but still was/is able to accept his genius ablility to create works of art that can bring joy to others. I think that being told all his life how great he is because he's this amazing musician, multi-talented instrumentalist, songwriter, produce, so on and so on at such an early age that he began to believe that this gift from GOD was destined for him only so he must be the son of GOD, but then he began to realize that he's subject to human error like anyone else. So he found a faith that he feels will bring him closer to God, here and in the afterlife and that is as great to him as being the son of GOD himself. Again who is greater to imitate than Jesus? No man can imitate GOD that's a world all it's own and should stay that way.
And aren't we all a child of God...Although the way some of us act it makes you wonder who's adopted. | |
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Y'all never get tired of dumb questions and actually conversing about them do you? | |
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Bladerunner said: Y'all never get tired of dumb questions and actually conversing about them do you?
but this is what we do. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you won't feel feigned disgust."Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Purple Rain in the point of view of Jesus promising to take his people or THE people to a promised land of Purple Rain etc.. Rd, is that really what the Purple Rain is all about? I have actually always wondered. | |
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Anji said: rdhull said: Purple Rain in the point of view of Jesus promising to take his people or THE people to a promised land of Purple Rain etc.. Rd, is that really what the Purple Rain is all about? I have actually always wondered. yes..PR was a mixture of love song by way of letting yourself go and let this deity figure take you to a higher plane ... "let me guide you" "you say u want a leader...let me guide you" etc. Prince was on a messiah trip from 1981 through 1984. "Climb in my fur." | |
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RiccoTheArtist said: SERIOUS QUESTION - Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?
You say Prince never thought that he was Jesus because he says worship only The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. BUT isn't that only recently, this reverence, this true subjection to God? Earlier references. such as Lovesexy, would conjure images of a God-like spirit inside of Prince just wanting to come out and play. [color=RED:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae]No! Because "HE" say's do not worship anything or anyone but The Farther, The Son and the Holy Sprit... :WORSHIP:
Also at the Cele "HE" said "All the worship they show me I never chose this path, I just wanna be a little old guitar playin man..." This is not a Man thinking he is Jesus or was, but like NuPwrSoul said:[color=blue:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae] Jesus was the kind of man that EVERYONE should strive to be! and I agree! The Image of Jesus, what does that mean to Y O U personally? 
How recent is that Celebration you're referring to? Of course, he just wants to be a lil' old guitar playing man now. But is that his way of saying to God, I'm sorry. My name is Prince but I am NOT the one and only. Bad example but I do think Prince is being alot more subservient nowadays, rather than egotistical. And that in some small way may be due to, in the past, not fully understanding his true position in relation to the God he loves. A misplaced sense of worth due to arrogance/innocence/adoration/ignorance are all contributing factors. No doubt, this is a healthy progression for Prince. Like he said, 'All the worship they show me, I never asked for this path...' 
As for how I treat Jesus, Ricco, I find his image very powerful and I don't mean to be disrespecting anybody's idol or saviour. 
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rdhull said: Anji said: rdhull said: Purple Rain in the point of view of Jesus promising to take his people or THE people to a promised land of Purple Rain etc.. Rd, is that really what the Purple Rain is all about? I have actually always wondered. yes..PR was a mixture of love song by way of letting yourself go and let this deity figure take you to a higher plane ... "let me guide you" "you say u want a leader...let me guide you" etc. Prince was on a messiah trip from 1981 through 1984. Again, very interesting.  | |
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klaatu said: Well Wacko Jacko is much more on that trip!!! With Prince I don't know it's different... Interesting that Jacko gets accused of that trip when he clearly does not use as much religious imagery as Prince does. With MJ, it's a spectacle, it's a show. He's like Busta's Pastor Offering! But with Prince, you can't judge whether it's for show or for real. That's why I asked the question. | |
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Anji said: klaatu said: Well Wacko Jacko is much more on that trip!!! With Prince I don't know it's different... Interesting that Jacko gets accused of that trip when he clearly does not use as much religious imagery as Prince does. With MJ, it's a spectacle, it's a show. He's like Busta's Pastor Offering! But with Prince, you can't judge whether it's for show or for real. That's why I asked the question. To me it appears that Prince has always had the fear of god in him(the old adage, you cant love him without fearing him)and MJ just didn't give a fuck, regardles of his "innocence me" posturing and heal the world songs. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Anji said: klaatu said: Well Wacko Jacko is much more on that trip!!! With Prince I don't know it's different... Interesting that Jacko gets accused of that trip when he clearly does not use as much religious imagery as Prince does. With MJ, it's a spectacle, it's a show. He's like Busta's Pastor Offering! But with Prince, you can't judge whether it's for show or for real. That's why I asked the question. To me it appears that Prince has always had the fear of god in him(the old adage, you cant love him without fearing him)and MJ just didn't give a fuck, regardles of his "innocence me" posturing and heal the world songs. | |
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Anji said: RiccoTheArtist said: SERIOUS QUESTION - Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?
You say Prince never thought that he was Jesus because he says worship only The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. BUT isn't that only recently, this reverence, this true subjection to God? Earlier references. such as Lovesexy, would conjure images of a God-like spirit inside of Prince just wanting to come out and play. [color=RED:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae:0a5b2aac9b]No! Because "HE" say's do not worship anything or anyone but The Farther, The Son and the Holy Sprit... :WORSHIP:
Also at the Cele "HE" said "All the worship they show me I never chose this path, I just wanna be a little old guitar playin man..." This is not a Man thinking he is Jesus or was, but like NuPwrSoul said:[color=blue:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae:0a5b2aac9b] Jesus was the kind of man that EVERYONE should strive to be! and I agree! The Image of Jesus, what does that mean to Y O U personally?
How recent is that Celebration you're referring to? Of course, he just wants to be a lil' old guitar playing man now. But is that his way of saying to God, I'm sorry. My name is Prince but I am NOT the one and only. Bad example but I do think Prince is being alot more subservient nowadays, rather than egotistical. And that in some small way may be due to, in the past, not fully understanding his true position in relation to the God he loves. A misplaced sense of worth due to arrogance/innocence/adoration/ignorance are all contributing factors. No doubt, this is a healthy progression for Prince. Like he said, 'All the worship they show me, I never asked for this path...'
As for how I treat Jesus, Ricco, I find his image very powerful and I don't mean to be disrespecting anybody's idol or saviour.
[This message was edited Fri Feb 28 0:45:46 PST 2003 by Anji] [This message was edited Fri Feb 28 1:29:50 PST 2003 by Anji] Very Very Very Interesting Anji, My view point on this matter would be the same as Prince's that GOD does live in each and every one of us just waiting for us to manifest his Glory to shine with Jesus as our guide, that can be very real, now if you say that this is the reason you think Prince is trying or thought he was Jesus nothing wrong with that! and remember if we don't want to be judged we must not judge, that matter (Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?') is between Prince and GOD, it is not for us to say what PRINCE was thinking at the time back at cha'
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you are all wrong: Prince thought (and still thinks) he is Peter Pan long before Jacko! | |
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RiccoTheArtist said: Anji said: RiccoTheArtist said: SERIOUS QUESTION - Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?
You say Prince never thought that he was Jesus because he says worship only The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. BUT isn't that only recently, this reverence, this true subjection to God? Earlier references. such as Lovesexy, would conjure images of a God-like spirit inside of Prince just wanting to come out and play. [color=RED:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae:0a5b2aac9b:40fbba8517]No! Because "HE" say's do not worship anything or anyone but The Farther, The Son and the Holy Sprit... :WORSHIP:
Also at the Cele "HE" said "All the worship they show me I never chose this path, I just wanna be a little old guitar playin man..." This is not a Man thinking he is Jesus or was, but like NuPwrSoul said:[color=blue:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae:0a5b2aac9b:40fbba8517] Jesus was the kind of man that EVERYONE should strive to be! and I agree! The Image of Jesus, what does that mean to Y O U personally?
How recent is that Celebration you're referring to? Of course, he just wants to be a lil' old guitar playing man now. But is that his way of saying to God, I'm sorry. My name is Prince but I am NOT the one and only. Bad example but I do think Prince is being alot more subservient nowadays, rather than egotistical. And that in some small way may be due to, in the past, not fully understanding his true position in relation to the God he loves. A misplaced sense of worth due to arrogance/innocence/adoration/ignorance are all contributing factors. No doubt, this is a healthy progression for Prince. Like he said, 'All the worship they show me, I never asked for this path...'
As for how I treat Jesus, Ricco, I find his image very powerful and I don't mean to be disrespecting anybody's idol or saviour.
[This message was edited Fri Feb 28 0:45:46 PST 2003 by Anji] [This message was edited Fri Feb 28 1:29:50 PST 2003 by Anji] Very Very Very Interesting Anji, My view point on this matter would be the same as Prince's that GOD does live in each and every one of us just waiting for us to manifest his Glory to shine with Jesus as our guide, that can be very real, now if you say that this is the reason you think Prince is trying or thought he was Jesus nothing wrong with that! and remember if we don't want to be judged we must not judge, that matter (Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?') is between Prince and GOD, it is not for us to say what PRINCE was thinking at the time back at cha'
Hey "Heaven is keeping score..." I'm not sure I would agree that it is not for us to judge. We all judge; me, you, Prince, God. I don't understand your point of view. | |
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Anji said: RiccoTheArtist said: Anji said: RiccoTheArtist said: SERIOUS QUESTION - Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?
You say Prince never thought that he was Jesus because he says worship only The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit. BUT isn't that only recently, this reverence, this true subjection to God? Earlier references. such as Lovesexy, would conjure images of a God-like spirit inside of Prince just wanting to come out and play. [color=RED:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae:0a5b2aac9b:40fbba8517:1528f94dba]No! Because "HE" say's do not worship anything or anyone but The Farther, The Son and the Holy Sprit... :WORSHIP:
Also at the Cele "HE" said "All the worship they show me I never chose this path, I just wanna be a little old guitar playin man..." This is not a Man thinking he is Jesus or was, but like NuPwrSoul said:[color=blue:86962fcf02:ddbc923fb3:7c1b905eac:27159e1fae:0a5b2aac9b:40fbba8517:1528f94dba] Jesus was the kind of man that EVERYONE should strive to be! and I agree! The Image of Jesus, what does that mean to Y O U personally?
How recent is that Celebration you're referring to? Of course, he just wants to be a lil' old guitar playing man now. But is that his way of saying to God, I'm sorry. My name is Prince but I am NOT the one and only. Bad example but I do think Prince is being alot more subservient nowadays, rather than egotistical. And that in some small way may be due to, in the past, not fully understanding his true position in relation to the God he loves. A misplaced sense of worth due to arrogance/innocence/adoration/ignorance are all contributing factors. No doubt, this is a healthy progression for Prince. Like he said, 'All the worship they show me, I never asked for this path...'
As for how I treat Jesus, Ricco, I find his image very powerful and I don't mean to be disrespecting anybody's idol or saviour.
[This message was edited Fri Feb 28 0:45:46 PST 2003 by Anji] [This message was edited Fri Feb 28 1:29:50 PST 2003 by Anji] Very Very Very Interesting Anji, My view point on this matter would be the same as Prince's that GOD does live in each and every one of us just waiting for us to manifest his Glory to shine with Jesus as our guide, that can be very real, now if you say that this is the reason you think Prince is trying or thought he was Jesus nothing wrong with that! and remember if we don't want to be judged we must not judge, that matter (Did Prince ever think he was Jesus?') is between Prince and GOD, it is not for us to say what PRINCE was thinking at the time back at cha'
Hey "Heaven is keeping score..." I'm not sure I would agree that it is not for us to judge. We all judge; me, you, Prince, God. I don't understand your point of view. Judge not least ye' be judged it's in prayer handed down from Jesus, It has to be given to you from GOD the same way God give SOLOMON that power (TO JUDGE ACCORDINGLY), me, you whoever do not have that power, so what ever Prince does it's not for you to say it's wrong but that you just don't agree and leave WHAT you think it's wrong to GOD to say it is. No man should asunder the Joy that another Man found, if that's what makes him happy do what makes you happy, OK
Me personally these thing make me happy:    o(+>
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it's okay 2 worship urself...!
actually, is very healthy sometimes too! | |
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