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TrevorAyer said:

yeah but morris day isn't a good singer but can you at least admit it is far more authentic than if tony m or shelby sang lead on a song the TIME did. there is a reason some bands or people have hits who are not songwriters and not technically great, its the delivery, and while shelby can sing psuedo soul and grunt her way thru more vocal runs than st. paul, there is still an authenticity the family brings that shelby simply does not have. for that matter you must respect what it was, the family, not a prince record, and for what it was, it really works, screams of passion, river run dry sound great as is, nothing compares to you doesnt pop like sineads version but it was good enough to draw her attention and propel her version to number one, a feat prince has rarely achieved on his own. and again, so instead of allowing people to discover the family's original version, prince instead records his own version, further attempting to bury and make insignificant the family. i love rosie but not shelby and to be honset they both perform pseudo soul, it is simply an imitiation of passion, pretty much copying the sound of patti labelle but lacking in any authentic drive, which makes pauls delivery more soulful, because while hes not great, he at least isn't trying to sound like every soul based bar band ever, he and prince were trying to make something unheard before, truly unique and certainly the family record was a success in that arena

Imitation of passion? Copying Patti LaBelle? Nope, Patti LaBelle, has her own style of singing, and so does Shelby and Rosie, in which all 3 have their own 'authentic' styles. It's like you're saying they all sound alike, when they don't, and why would you compare Shelby or any of the NPG backup singers' singing styles, to a group no longer part of Prince's current lineup, although once was? What's the crime if his current band members sings songs he wrote for some of his former, associated artists to sing, especially if it's his songs that he wrote? There's no 'fan permission list' for a musician/artist to fill out before he decides to perform songs he's written for other band members in the past, and performing it with his current band members. It's not a competition. You certainly don't expect every musician who performed songs with former associates, to have those former associates appear on stage with him everytime, he/she chooses to sing said song. So what's the fuss?

Also, with band name changes, if a band changes their name and still has all or some of its orignal members, does that take away their music skills or talent? It shouldn't, so even with Fdeluxe's or O7 name changes, that shouldn't have anything to do with their music skills or talent, if they decide to regroup years later. Now how successful they are, depends on how they present that talent to fans, and how much effort, time, and money goes into promotion/advertisement, and if they fail on the latter, that's not the fault of a former band member, who doesn't have anything to do with those former band members not being a part of his band today.

'Changes to last sentence' edit

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TrevorAyer said:

lets be clear .. the only reason people know who THE FAMILY are is because of SINEAD O'CONNOR not PRINCE. if prince had his way that whole band would die in obscurity, very evident by his unwillingness to collaborate again and his 'issues' with the BAND whose name was THE FAMILY calling themselves THE FAMILY. just to be clear .. it doesn't matter if prince wrote the songs, which clearly at very least eric leads collaborated sufficiantly on, what matters is it was their band name and they played on the record. there are plenty of cover bands that can perform under their OWN name, why shouldn't the family? .. because prince hates them.

and also to be clear .. paul may not be the greatest singer, but if he hopped up and performed all the family songs with prince, that would be infinately better than hearing even one song with shelby on it, or andy, or tony m, or bonnie boyer, or a rap by cat

in fact .. prince owes sidead, the family, sheila e. the time and the revolution a huge thanks for helping make prince famous .. he is still performing THEIR work and THEIR contributions to his legacy as a concert draw. it takes more than just a good song to get over, the family album is a classic among all prince records, prince takes these things for granted, as tho his version of nothing compares to you could ever hold a candle to sineads. prince wake up, you are talented but you are not god, stop acting like a spoiled brat and show some respect.

How do you know Prince hates anybody? do you know Prince or are you apart of the inner circle of FDeluxe or any of the associated artists. Prince may have his crazy control issues, but hate is a strong word. These very same people who YOU claim Prince hates still give Prince his props and are STILL willing to open up for him if the papers are right, despite their business disagreements. You don't know anything, sorry.

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2elijah said:

TrevorAyer said:

yeah but morris day isn't a good singer but can you at least admit it is far more authentic than if tony m or shelby sang lead on a song the TIME did. there is a reason some bands or people have hits who are not songwriters and not technically great, its the delivery, and while shelby can sing psuedo soul and grunt her way thru more vocal runs than st. paul, there is still an authenticity the family brings that shelby simply does not have. for that matter you must respect what it was, the family, not a prince record, and for what it was, it really works, screams of passion, river run dry sound great as is, nothing compares to you doesnt pop like sineads version but it was good enough to draw her attention and propel her version to number one, a feat prince has rarely achieved on his own. and again, so instead of allowing people to discover the family's original version, prince instead records his own version, further attempting to bury and make insignificant the family. i love rosie but not shelby and to be honset they both perform pseudo soul, it is simply an imitiation of passion, pretty much copying the sound of patti labelle but lacking in any authentic drive, which makes pauls delivery more soulful, because while hes not great, he at least isn't trying to sound like every soul based bar band ever, he and prince were trying to make something unheard before, truly unique and certainly the family record was a success in that arena

Imitation of passion? Copying Patti LaBelle? Nope, Patti LaBelle, has her own style of singing, and so does Shelby and Rosie, in which all 3 have their own 'authentic' styles. It's like you're saying they all sound alike, when they don't, and why would you compare Shelby or any of the NPG backup singers' singing styles, to a group no longer part of Prince's current lineup, although once was? What's the crime if his current band members sings songs he wrote for some of his former, associated artists to sing, especially if it's his songs that he wrote? There's no 'fan permission list' for a musician/artist to fill out before he decides to perform songs he's written for other band members in the past, and performing it with his current band members. It's not a competition. You certainly don't expect every musician who performed songs with former associates, to appear on stage everytime, he/she chooses to sing said song. So what's the fuss?

Also, with band name changes, if a band changes their name and still has all or some of its orignal members, does that take away their music skills or talent? It shouldn't, so even with Fdeluxe's or O7 name changes, that shouldn't have anything to do with their music skills or talent, if they decide to regroup years later. Now how successful they are, depends on how they present that talent to fans, and how much effort, time, and money goes into promotion/advertisement, and if they fail on the latter, that's not the fault of a former band member, who has nothing to do with them not being a part of his band today.

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Exactly.

2elijah said:

So what's the fuss?

the fuss is simply that prince replaces musicians who give the music a unique sound with musicians who sound like every other bar band, jazz band on the planet. for a guy who would rather wear something the world wouldn't dare, he sure does sound typical and boring and safe these days.

i suppose we all like prince for different reasons but my reasons were because he was different, not because he can play a technical speedy guitar solo. i was more attracted to that fat distorted punch of a 3 note keyboard riff than the smoothe sounds of renatos elevator jazz, and i certainly enjoy pausl nervous croak singing over shelbys bar band belting psuedo soul that is a dime a dozen on the cover band circuit.

as for the name .. u must understand and at very least subconciously agree that even if the music is good, without name recognition, its like starting over from scratch, which is a challenge for ANY musician, INCLUDING PRINCE ... so to do that to his former "friends" with band names that represented the hard work of his friends, is a bit of a hateful thing to do. its not like prince has a whole new Time or Family group he is trying to push on the world. and the mutiny track just re emphasized his disdain for those people.

TrevorAyer said:

2elijah said:

So what's the fuss?

the fuss is simply that prince replaces musicians who give the music a unique sound with musicians who sound like every other bar band, jazz band on the planet.......

down to personal taste

i was more attracted to that fat distorted punch of a 3 note keyboard riff than the smoothe sounds of renatos elevator jazz, and i certainly enjoy pausl nervous croak singing over shelbys bar band belting psuedo soul that is a dime a dozen on the cover band circuit.

down to personal taste

as for the name .. u must understand and at very least subconciously agree that even if the music is good, without name recognition, its like starting over from scratch, which is a challenge for ANY musician, INCLUDING PRINCE

I concur

... so to do that to his former "friends" with band names that represented the hard work of his friends, is a bit of a hateful thing to do. its not like prince has a whole new Time or Family group he is trying to push on the world. and the mutiny track just re emphasized his disdain for those people.

I can agree with this IF, as is so often portrayed on here, FDeluxe and TO7 are guilt free and did absolutely nothing to provoke this 'hate'/ dislike from Prince - no argument is ever one sided; we haven't really heard his side have we?

I can certainly see, and have stated, that the 'Mutiny gift' was a low/ childish blow, but is it not reasonable to assume there is more to Prince's position than as yet made public? You may be 100% right and his controlling ass is deplorable - i just don't think we have the whole picture. And I wish we did so this whole associated artists name issue could be 'put to bed' once and for all.

How is thread still so active, it was just a bit of fun

TrevorAyer said:

the fuss is simply that prince replaces musicians who give the music a unique sound with musicians who sound like every other bar band, jazz band on the planet.......

i was more attracted to that fat distorted punch of a 3 note keyboard riff than the smoothe sounds of renatos elevator jazz, and i certainly enjoy pausl nervous croak singing over shelbys bar band belting psuedo soul that is a dime a dozen on the cover band circuit.

as for the name .. u must understand and at very least subconciously agree that even if the music is good, without name recognition, its like starting over from scratch, which is a challenge for ANY musician, INCLUDING PRINCE

... so to do that to his former "friends" with band names that represented the hard work of his friends, is a bit of a hateful thing to do. its not like prince has a whole new Time or Family group he is trying to push on the world. and the mutiny track just re emphasized his disdain for those people.

Trevor, it sounds like your imagination is running wild again. It seems Fdeluxe didn't take the 'Mutiny gift' personal, based on what their manager posted, but some fans seem to have drummed-up all kinds of assumptions/speculations as though there's some kind of animosity going on. First of all, as far as I can tell from opinions on this thread, none of us are personal friends with any of the band members, to know what the atmosphere is like between Prince and his former bandmembers. Nor was anyone here part of the discussions between Fdeluxe, O7 and Prince, regarding the band name changes or any other discussion that took place between them.

It is obvious the band name belonged to Prince when he created the band, and I'm sure all the former band members knew this when they signed on. This is not the first time a musiican created a band, and owned the name. It's also nothing new that some have replaced original members with new ones, so again...'what the fuss?" As Stevie would say.

You're treating these former band members like kids, when as adults today, they had to know Prince owned those band names and could do what he likes with it, whether they like it or not or regardless if some fans think they can tell him what he should or should not have done with it. Who is stopping any of the former band members from moving on with their careers and obtaining 'new fans'? In my opinion, holding on to the former band name, would still be like trying to hold on to Prince, even though it is most of Prince's fans, who are familiar with those groups from back in the day.

This is not to put down Fdeluxe or O7, but if their music/talent speaks louder than their band name, then what's the problem of them obtaining success with a new name? It seems some of the former members, not all, did well, once they left the Prince nest. It's all about promotion/advertisement, and like the 'X' generation used to say, 'grinding', which means if you really what to achieve your goal, you put extreme effort into it, to reach the level of success you are trying to achieve.

Back in the day, Master P sold freaking cds out of the back of his his car and was able to reach unbelievable success for a while, and he started out with nothing. I don't know what his situation is now, but the point is, even with very, limited resources, if you really want to 'make it', you have to find a way to 'make it happen'. Who knows, maybe I believe in the impossible, and no limitations to possibilities, but all this back and forth about fans blaming Prince for the former band members, lack of success, who now later in their age, want to regroup, but still want to use their old band names to restart their own personal careers, well, it's like an adult still trying to hold on to its mother's umbilical cord. I mean, didn't any of them get the lesson from at least one of their parents to 'Never put all your eggs in one basket?'

About any meetings that took place, between Fdeluxe, 07 and Prince, well you weren't there, and neither was anyone else on this site. So making claims that Prince harbors hatred towards former band members, is just another one of your trumped-up assumptions and imagination running wild. However, it is very clear how you continuously degrade, rant and express your own hatred towards one of his current singers (band members), and other former band members, that you don't even know, just because you don't like them being part of Prince's band. But guess what? You don't get to 'call the shots' in Prince's band, because that's a privilege you will never have nor will you ever have the 'final say', as to who gets the opportunity to perform with Prince or become long-time members of his band. So I guess you'll just have to continue whining and ranting obsessively, until you finally get off the ship.

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2elijah said:

80spfantwp said:

Sounds like your imagination is running wild again.

rdhull said:

2elijah said:

Sounds like your imagination is running wild again.

That was actually meant for TrevorAyer.

yeah um no my imagination is not running wild .. your is more likely .. thinking you can just be good and have success .. there is plenty good .. far better than prince .. that has less success .. because the system is about branding .. prince rides the prince coattails of his own past .. the prince name was so big he doesn't even have to write good songs for decades and he can still sell a show by playing a couple of revolution era songs every night .. or time songs ... or family songs .. or sheila e songs .. because THEY not only prince but THEY made those songs a hit. just like sinead made nothing compares a HIT and prince did NOT .. and you dont have to be in the room to read the situation with the mutiny hot summer ... prince was his usual hateful ass .. family tried to be nice and continues to since prince has and abuses all the POWER but got fed up and playfully responded with the hot summer jingle .. its politics laced with truth .. as for shelby and renato .. as a prince fan and music critic its perfectly normal to point out in public the degradation of prince finest art due to hiring third and fourth rate musicians that bring NOTHING interesting to what was some of the most colorful music made .. tony m did nothing to improve prince sound .. in fact it ruined some great songs .. shelby and renato have the same effect .. its worth pointing out because prince can and should do better .. and his fans should expect more from him, instead of allowing him to homogonize his artistic expression to something so limited bland and boring .. prince the genius is long gone .. prince the going thru motions is here and i don't like it one bit .. and for a guy who thinks he is so responsible for how good the family time sheila revolution all were .. he sure cant seem to prove it by putting together an act that good again with different characters involved .. again prince acts like he is god when he is just a part of the puzzle that made great art some time ago .. so why try to keep down those who helped him get to the top in the first place? .. it just seems kinda lame to me .. eric leeds of all people .. he did so much great stuff on prince work .. compare him to najee and its no comparison .. najee is boring like renato .. it makes a difference .. its not the same its not as good its no where near as good ..

TrevorAyer:

You're holding on the 'golden age' era of Prince and associated artists music. Don't think for one minute that having Prince play with The revolution, The time, the Family etc would satisfy like it did back in the day. All the players have aged and changed.

Maybe Prince gets this and simly wants to leave that special period well alone. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. There would be people on here bitching about any release - regardless of the players -

1) because they can

2) because the 'utopian golden age of then' cannot be repicated. we were younger, and many of our memories of their music then is couched in our youthful experiences.

Time to move on

Just an opinion

TrevorAyer said:

.. as a prince fan and music critic

You're lying asbout this if you dont understand that all that shit you just wrote is/was bullshit.

TrevorAyer said:

yeah um no my imagination is not running wild .. your is more likely .. thinking you can just be good and have success .. there is plenty good .. far better than prince .. that has less success .. because the system is about branding .. prince rides the prince coattails of his own past .. the prince name was so big he doesn't even have to write good songs for decades and he can still sell a show by playing a couple of revolution era songs every night .. or time songs ... or family songs .. or sheila e songs .. because THEY not only prince but THEY made those songs a hit. just like sinead made nothing compares a HIT and prince did NOT .. and you dont have to be in the room to read the situation with the mutiny hot summer ... prince was his usual hateful ass .. family tried to be nice and continues to since prince has and abuses all the POWER but got fed up and playfully responded with the hot summer jingle .. its politics laced with truth .. as for shelby and renato .. as a prince fan and music critic its perfectly normal to point out in public the degradation of prince finest art due to hiring third and fourth rate musicians that bring NOTHING interesting to what was some of the most colorful music made .. tony m did nothing to improve prince sound .. in fact it ruined some great songs .. shelby and renato have the same effect .. its worth pointing out because prince can and should do better .. and his fans should expect more from him, instead of allowing him to homogonize his artistic expression to something so limited bland and boring .. prince the genius is long gone .. prince the going thru motions is here and i don't like it one bit .. and for a guy who thinks he is so responsible for how good the family time sheila revolution all were .. he sure cant seem to prove it by putting together an act that good again with different characters involved .. again prince acts like he is god when he is just a part of the puzzle that made great art some time ago .. so why try to keep down those who helped him get to the top in the first place? .. it just seems kinda lame to me .. eric leeds of all people .. he did so much great stuff on prince work .. compare him to najee and its no comparison .. najee is boring like renato .. it makes a difference .. its not the same its not as good its no where near as good ..

How is Prince keeping anyone down? What does that mean? How is Prince stopping these associated artists from performing, recording and touring?

TrevorAyer said:

yeah um no my imagination is not running wild .. your is more likely .. thinking you can just be good and have success .. there is plenty good .. far better than prince .. that has less success .. because the system is about branding .. prince rides the prince coattails of his own past .. the prince name was so big he doesn't even have to write good songs for decades and he can still sell a show by playing a couple of revolution era songs every night .. or time songs ... or family songs .. or sheila e songs .. because THEY not only prince but THEY made those songs a hit. just like sinead made nothing compares a HIT and prince did NOT .. and you dont have to be in the room to read the situation with the mutiny hot summer ... prince was his usual hateful ass .. family tried to be nice and continues to since prince has and abuses all the POWER but got fed up and playfully responded with the hot summer jingle .. its politics laced with truth .. as for shelby and renato .. as a prince fan and music critic its perfectly normal to point out in public the degradation of prince finest art due to hiring third and fourth rate musicians that bring NOTHING interesting to what was some of the most colorful music made .. tony m did nothing to improve prince sound .. in fact it ruined some great songs .. shelby and renato have the same effect .. its worth pointing out because prince can and should do better .. and his fans should expect more from him, instead of allowing him to homogonize his artistic expression to something so limited bland and boring .. prince the genius is long gone .. prince the going thru motions is here and i don't like it one bit .. and for a guy who thinks he is so responsible for how good the family time sheila revolution all were .. he sure cant seem to prove it by putting together an act that good again with different characters involved .. again prince acts like he is god when he is just a part of the puzzle that made great art some time ago .. so why try to keep down those who helped him get to the top in the first place? .. it just seems kinda lame to me .. eric leeds of all people .. he did so much great stuff on prince work .. compare him to najee and its no comparison .. najee is boring like renato .. it makes a difference .. its not the same its not as good its no where near as good ..

:: Violins playing to 'Old Man River:: See this is what I mean about your imagination running wild. You're comparing Prince to God dude, as though you know exactly what God is like. You're the one 'prepping' him up to that status in your posts. Come back to reality. You're expecting 'too much' based on your own, fantasized desires. You're not the leader of his band nor are you in control of his music, business decisions or have any privileges whatsover to tell him who is 'qualified' to perform, collaborate, or be hired into his band. You're a fan just like the rest of us, but I question someone like yourself who just comes on to an unofficial site, just to make 'hateful' rants about a musician and a musician's band members, as though you have some privilege in choosing who is right for Prince's taste in music and his band. Then you make all kinds of trumped-up, imagined accusations about his relationships with former band mates. Do you know any of these former band members personally?

Like I said, most here are fans of his music, but that doesn't mean we have bonified privileges to pick and choose his band members. It doesn't work like that. You mention there are 'plenty good' musicians far better than Prince that had less success, and that it is all about branding. But guess what? Branding doesn't come easy. It takes hard work, and I do believe that a musician with a 30-year plus music career, who worked hard and stayed dedicated to his music, created new music and moved on, didn't just happen without hard work and dedication to his passion, his music, before becoming a brand.

For other musicians/newer musicians to the scene, who didn't achieve that success, blame it on the music industry, not on musicians/artists who were smart enough to not allow the shady business of the music industry, stop them from having a 30-year plus career or having a 'hold' on their creative music skills. If you're smart enough to know how to 'beat the game in the music industry' and still able to sell out fill arenas, after 30 years, you must be doing something right or other, former associates wouldn't try to hang on to your coat tail. Prince apparently has already proven he can ride the coat tails of his music from the past, especially when that music is his.

When you leave a nest, you learn to fly. You don't wait over 20 years to go back to the nest and expect momma to breast feed you, because by then you have adult teeth, and you should have learned and experienced a lot in life by then. Like I said, you can't blame any former, associated Prince band members' lack of success today, on the one who gave them that opportunity and made their name known in the first place, by their association with him in the past He's not responsible for how their future plans/music careers turned out. There is nothing wrong with the fact that he moved on with his own music career, changed band names, hired new band members and just kept things flowing musically/and performance-wise, for the past 30 plus years. So dude, instead of griping and ranting over something you can't do anything about..... don't hate the player.... learn how the smart player played the game, that helped him to achieve his success.

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2elijah said:

TrevorAyer said:

yeah um no my imagination is not running wild .. your is more likely .. thinking you can just be good and have success .. there is plenty good .. far better than prince .. that has less success .. because the system is about branding .. prince rides the prince coattails of his own past .. the prince name was so big he doesn't even have to write good songs for decades and he can still sell a show by playing a couple of revolution era songs every night .. or time songs ... or family songs .. or sheila e songs .. because THEY not only prince but THEY made those songs a hit. just like sinead made nothing compares a HIT and prince did NOT .. and you dont have to be in the room to read the situation with the mutiny hot summer ... prince was his usual hateful ass .. family tried to be nice and continues to since prince has and abuses all the POWER but got fed up and playfully responded with the hot summer jingle .. its politics laced with truth .. as for shelby and renato .. as a prince fan and music critic its perfectly normal to point out in public the degradation of prince finest art due to hiring third and fourth rate musicians that bring NOTHING interesting to what was some of the most colorful music made .. tony m did nothing to improve prince sound .. in fact it ruined some great songs .. shelby and renato have the same effect .. its worth pointing out because prince can and should do better .. and his fans should expect more from him, instead of allowing him to homogonize his artistic expression to something so limited bland and boring .. prince the genius is long gone .. prince the going thru motions is here and i don't like it one bit .. and for a guy who thinks he is so responsible for how good the family time sheila revolution all were .. he sure cant seem to prove it by putting together an act that good again with different characters involved .. again prince acts like he is god when he is just a part of the puzzle that made great art some time ago .. so why try to keep down those who helped him get to the top in the first place? .. it just seems kinda lame to me .. eric leeds of all people .. he did so much great stuff on prince work .. compare him to najee and its no comparison .. najee is boring like renato .. it makes a difference .. its not the same its not as good its no where near as good ..

See this is what I mean about your imagination running wild. You're comparing Prince to God dude. You're the one 'prepping' him up to that status in your posts. Come back to reality. You're not the leader of his band nor are you in control of his music, business decisions or have any privileges whatsover to tell him who is 'qualified' to perform, collaborate, or be hired into his band. You're a fan just like the rest of us, but I question someone like yourself who just comes on to an unofficial site, just to make 'hateful' rants about a musician's band members, as though you have some privilege in choosing who is right for Prince's taste music, and then turn around and make all kinds of trumped-up/imagined accusations about his relationships with former band mates. Do you know any of these former band

Like I said, most here are fans of his music, but that doesn't mean we have bonified privileges to pick and choose his band members. It doesn't work like that. You mention there are 'plenty good' musicians far better than Prince that had less success, and that it is all about branding. But guess what, branding doesn't come easy. It takes hard work, and I do believe that a musician with a 30-year plus music career, who worked hard and stayed dedicated to his music, created new music and moved on, didn't just happen without hard work and dedication, before becoming a brand. For other musicians/newer musicians to the scene, who didn't achieve that success, blame it on the music industry, not on musicians/artists who were smart enough to not allow the shady business of the music industry, stop them from having a 30-year plus career or having a 'hold' on their creativity. If you're smart enough to know how to 'beat the game in the music industry' and still able to sell out fill arenas, after 30 years, you must be doing something right.

When you leave a nest, you learn to fly. You don't wait over 20 years to go back to the nest and expect momma to breast feed you, because by then you have adult teeth, and you should have learned and experienced a lot in life by then. Like I said, you can't blame any former, associated Prince band members' lack of success today, on the one who gave them that opportunity and made their name known in the first place, by their association with him in the past He's not responsible for how their future plans/music careers turned out. There is nothing wrong with the fact that he moved on with his own music career, changed band names, hired new band members and just kept things flowing musically/and performance-wise, for the past 30 plus years. Dude, instead of griping and ranting, don't hate the player learn how the player played the game, that's how you become successful.

Awesome Post

2elijah said:

TrevorAyer said:

yeah um no my imagination is not running wild .. your is more likely .. thinking you can just be good and have success .. there is plenty good .. far better than prince .. that has less success .. because the system is about branding .. prince rides the prince coattails of his own past .. the prince name was so big he doesn't even have to write good songs for decades and he can still sell a show by playing a couple of revolution era songs every night .. or time songs ... or family songs .. or sheila e songs .. because THEY not only prince but THEY made those songs a hit. just like sinead made nothing compares a HIT and prince did NOT .. and you dont have to be in the room to read the situation with the mutiny hot summer ... prince was his usual hateful ass .. family tried to be nice and continues to since prince has and abuses all the POWER but got fed up and playfully responded with the hot summer jingle .. its politics laced with truth .. as for shelby and renato .. as a prince fan and music critic its perfectly normal to point out in public the degradation of prince finest art due to hiring third and fourth rate musicians that bring NOTHING interesting to what was some of the most colorful music made .. tony m did nothing to improve prince sound .. in fact it ruined some great songs .. shelby and renato have the same effect .. its worth pointing out because prince can and should do better .. and his fans should expect more from him, instead of allowing him to homogonize his artistic expression to something so limited bland and boring .. prince the genius is long gone .. prince the going thru motions is here and i don't like it one bit .. and for a guy who thinks he is so responsible for how good the family time sheila revolution all were .. he sure cant seem to prove it by putting together an act that good again with different characters involved .. again prince acts like he is god when he is just a part of the puzzle that made great art some time ago .. so why try to keep down those who helped him get to the top in the first place? .. it just seems kinda lame to me .. eric leeds of all people .. he did so much great stuff on prince work .. compare him to najee and its no comparison .. najee is boring like renato .. it makes a difference .. its not the same its not as good its no where near as good ..

:: Violins playing to 'Old Man River:: See this is what I mean about your imagination running wild. You're comparing Prince to God dude as though you know exactly what God is like. You're the one 'prepping' him up to that status in your posts. Come back to reality. You're expecting 'too much' based on your own, fantasized desires. You're not the leader of his band nor are you in control of his music, business decisions or have any privileges whatsover to tell him who is 'qualified' to perform, collaborate, or be hired into his band. You're a fan just like the rest of us, but I question someone like yourself who just comes on to an unofficial site, just to make 'hateful' rants about a musician and a musician's band members, as though you have some privilege in choosing who is right for Prince's taste music and his band. Then you make all kinds of trumped-up, imagined accusations about his relationships with former band mates. Do you know any of these former band members personally?

Like I said, most here are fans of his music, but that doesn't mean we have bonified privileges to pick and choose his band members. It doesn't work like that. You mention there are 'plenty good' musicians far better than Prince that had less success, and that it is all about branding. But guess what? Branding doesn't come easy. It takes hard work, and I do believe that a musician with a 30-year plus music career, who worked hard and stayed dedicated to his music, created new music and moved on, didn't just happen without hard work and dedication to his passion, his music, before becoming a brand.

For other musicians/newer musicians to the scene, who didn't achieve that success, blame it on the music industry, not on musicians/artists who were smart enough to not allow the shady business of the music industry, stop them from having a 30-year plus career or having a 'hold' on their creative music skills. If you're smart enough to know how to 'beat the game in the music industry' and still able to sell out fill arenas, after 30 years, you must be doing something right or other, former associates wouldn't try to hang on to your coat tail. Prince apparently has already proven he can ride the coat tails of his music from the past, especially when that music is his.

When you leave a nest, you learn to fly. You don't wait over 20 years to go back to the nest and expect momma to breast feed you, because by then you have adult teeth, and you should have learned and experienced a lot in life by then. Like I said, you can't blame any former, associated Prince band members' lack of success today, on the one who gave them that opportunity and made their name known in the first place, by their association with him in the past He's not responsible for how their future plans/music careers turned out. There is nothing wrong with the fact that he moved on with his own music career, changed band names, hired new band members and just kept things flowing musically/and performance-wise, for the past 30 plus years. So dude, instead of griping and ranting over something you can't do anything about..... don't hate the player.... learn how the smart player played the game, that helped him to achieve his success.

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unemotive, rational and on point - excellent and a pleasure to read 2elijah

2elijah said:

TrevorAyer said:

yeah um no my imagination is not running wild .. your is more likely .. thinking you can just be good and have success .. there is plenty good .. far better than prince .. that has less success .. because the system is about branding .. prince rides the prince coattails of his own past .. the prince name was so big he doesn't even have to write good songs for decades and he can still sell a show by playing a couple of revolution era songs every night .. or time songs ... or family songs .. or sheila e songs .. because THEY not only prince but THEY made those songs a hit. just like sinead made nothing compares a HIT and prince did NOT .. and you dont have to be in the room to read the situation with the mutiny hot summer ... prince was his usual hateful ass .. family tried to be nice and continues to since prince has and abuses all the POWER but got fed up and playfully responded with the hot summer jingle .. its politics laced with truth .. as for shelby and renato .. as a prince fan and music critic its perfectly normal to point out in public the degradation of prince finest art due to hiring third and fourth rate musicians that bring NOTHING interesting to what was some of the most colorful music made .. tony m did nothing to improve prince sound .. in fact it ruined some great songs .. shelby and renato have the same effect .. its worth pointing out because prince can and should do better .. and his fans should expect more from him, instead of allowing him to homogonize his artistic expression to something so limited bland and boring .. prince the genius is long gone .. prince the going thru motions is here and i don't like it one bit .. and for a guy who thinks he is so responsible for how good the family time sheila revolution all were .. he sure cant seem to prove it by putting together an act that good again with different characters involved .. again prince acts like he is god when he is just a part of the puzzle that made great art some time ago .. so why try to keep down those who helped him get to the top in the first place? .. it just seems kinda lame to me .. eric leeds of all people .. he did so much great stuff on prince work .. compare him to najee and its no comparison .. najee is boring like renato .. it makes a difference .. its not the same its not as good its no where near as good ..

:: Violins playing to 'Old Man River:: See this is what I mean about your imagination running wild. You're comparing Prince to God dude as though you know exactly what God is like. You're the one 'prepping' him up to that status in your posts. Come back to reality. You're expecting 'too much' based on your own, fantasized desires. You're not the leader of his band nor are you in control of his music, business decisions or have any privileges whatsover to tell him who is 'qualified' to perform, collaborate, or be hired into his band. You're a fan just like the rest of us, but I question someone like yourself who just comes on to an unofficial site, just to make 'hateful' rants about a musician and a musician's band members, as though you have some privilege in choosing who is right for Prince's taste music and his band. Then you make all kinds of trumped-up, imagined accusations about his relationships with former band mates. Do you know any of these former band members personally?

Like I said, most here are fans of his music, but that doesn't mean we have bonified privileges to pick and choose his band members. It doesn't work like that. You mention there are 'plenty good' musicians far better than Prince that had less success, and that it is all about branding. But guess what? Branding doesn't come easy. It takes hard work, and I do believe that a musician with a 30-year plus music career, who worked hard and stayed dedicated to his music, created new music and moved on, didn't just happen without hard work and dedication to his passion, his music, before becoming a brand.

For other musicians/newer musicians to the scene, who didn't achieve that success, blame it on the music industry, not on musicians/artists who were smart enough to not allow the shady business of the music industry, stop them from having a 30-year plus career or having a 'hold' on their creative music skills. If you're smart enough to know how to 'beat the game in the music industry' and still able to sell out fill arenas, after 30 years, you must be doing something right or other, former associates wouldn't try to hang on to your coat tail. Prince apparently has already proven he can ride the coat tails of his music from the past, especially when that music is his.

When you leave a nest, you learn to fly. You don't wait over 20 years to go back to the nest and expect momma to breast feed you, because by then you have adult teeth, and you should have learned and experienced a lot in life by then. Like I said, you can't blame any former, associated Prince band members' lack of success today, on the one who gave them that opportunity and made their name known in the first place, by their association with him in the past He's not responsible for how their future plans/music careers turned out. There is nothing wrong with the fact that he moved on with his own music career, changed band names, hired new band members and just kept things flowing musically/and performance-wise, for the past 30 plus years. So dude, instead of griping and ranting over something you can't do anything about..... don't hate the player.... learn how the smart player played the game, that helped him to achieve his success.

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AMEN!!!!

Such a pleasure to read your post 2Elijah! Super cool and pure as always.

rdhull said:

2elijah said:

:: Violins playing to 'Old Man River:: See this is what I mean about your imagination running wild. You're comparing Prince to God dude as though you know exactly what God is like. You're the one 'prepping' him up to that status in your posts. Come back to reality. You're expecting 'too much' based on your own, fantasized desires. You're not the leader of his band nor are you in control of his music, business decisions or have any privileges whatsover to tell him who is 'qualified' to perform, collaborate, or be hired into his band. You're a fan just like the rest of us, but I question someone like yourself who just comes on to an unofficial site, just to make 'hateful' rants about a musician and a musician's band members, as though you have some privilege in choosing who is right for Prince's taste music and his band. Then you make all kinds of trumped-up, imagined accusations about his relationships with former band mates. Do you know any of these former band members personally?

Like I said, most here are fans of his music, but that doesn't mean we have bonified privileges to pick and choose his band members. It doesn't work like that. You mention there are 'plenty good' musicians far better than Prince that had less success, and that it is all about branding. But guess what? Branding doesn't come easy. It takes hard work, and I do believe that a musician with a 30-year plus music career, who worked hard and stayed dedicated to his music, created new music and moved on, didn't just happen without hard work and dedication to his passion, his music, before becoming a brand.

For other musicians/newer musicians to the scene, who didn't achieve that success, blame it on the music industry, not on musicians/artists who were smart enough to not allow the shady business of the music industry, stop them from having a 30-year plus career or having a 'hold' on their creative music skills. If you're smart enough to know how to 'beat the game in the music industry' and still able to sell out fill arenas, after 30 years, you must be doing something right or other, former associates wouldn't try to hang on to your coat tail. Prince apparently has already proven he can ride the coat tails of his music from the past, especially when that music is his.

When you leave a nest, you learn to fly. You don't wait over 20 years to go back to the nest and expect momma to breast feed you, because by then you have adult teeth, and you should have learned and experienced a lot in life by then. Like I said, you can't blame any former, associated Prince band members' lack of success today, on the one who gave them that opportunity and made their name known in the first place, by their association with him in the past He's not responsible for how their future plans/music careers turned out. There is nothing wrong with the fact that he moved on with his own music career, changed band names, hired new band members and just kept things flowing musically/and performance-wise, for the past 30 plus years. So dude, instead of griping and ranting over something you can't do anything about..... don't hate the player.... learn how the smart player played the game, that helped him to achieve his success.

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sorry to break up the love fest but i have every right to state my views all i want until prince drops a cd that will shut me up! i personally don't care who is on it .. make it tony m. boni boyer mayte shelby renato kirk johnson najee .. just blow my mind like he used to .. then you all can tell me i am wrong and need to shut up .. but until then you know it and i know it .. he can do better and i expect him to

Bohemian67 said:

Such a pleasure to read your post 2Elijah! Super cool and pure as always.

Thanks no prob.

TrevorAyer said:

sorry to break up the love fest but i have every right to state my views all i want until prince drops a cd that will shut me up! i personally don't care who is on it .. make it tony m. boni boyer mayte shelby renato kirk johnson najee .. just blow my mind like he used to .. then you all can tell me i am wrong and need to shut up .. but until then you know it and i know it .. he can do better and i expect him to

Sure you can but you'll be speaking to a brick wall until the day you die because Prince does not and will never answer to you.

TrevorAyer said:

sorry to break up the love fest but i have every right to state my views all i want until prince drops a cd that will shut me up! i personally don't care who is on it .. make it tony m. boni boyer mayte shelby renato kirk johnson najee .. just blow my mind like he used to .. then you all can tell me i am wrong and need to shut up .. but until then you know it and i know it .. he can do better and i expect him to

^^^postin like he has sand in his vagina

TrevorAyer said:

sorry to break up the love fest but i have every right to state my views all i want until prince drops a cd that will shut me up! i personally don't care who is on it .. make it tony m. boni boyer mayte shelby renato kirk johnson najee .. just blow my mind like he used to .. then you all can tell me i am wrong and need to shut up .. but until then you know it and i know it .. he can do better and i expect him to

Of course you have a right to even though it will be the same old, same old, Cry me a river, lake and ocean:: You say you want him to blow your mind like he used to? Well, it's obvious dude, from your wild rants, his very existence as a musician is still blowing your mind. Why do you think you're on here whining and crying, demanding, and craving for more of his music, to the point your blood pressure is rising over it?

Now, I'm sure you wish you could achieve his success as a musician, but you know what? Here's a little pancake without the syrup wisdom....it might help if you concentrate more on learning how to 'grind' to reach that goal, and do less 'hating', and maybe one day you'll be blessed with the same success as a musician, Prince has been, and is blessed with. Smooches!

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2elijah said:

TrevorAyer said:

sorry to break up the love fest but i have every right to state my views all i want until prince drops a cd that will shut me up! i personally don't care who is on it .. make it tony m. boni boyer mayte shelby renato kirk johnson najee .. just blow my mind like he used to .. then you all can tell me i am wrong and need to shut up .. but until then you know it and i know it .. he can do better and i expect him to

Of course you have a right to even though it will be the same old, same old, Cry me a river, lake and ocean:: You say you want him to blow your mind like he used to? Well, it's obvious dude, from your wild rants, his very existence as a musician is still blowing your mind. Why do you think you're on here whining and crying, demanding, and craving for more of his music, to the point your blood pressure is rising over it?

Now, I'm sure you wish you could achieve his success as a musician, but you know what? Here's a little pancake without the syrup wisdom....it might help if you concentrate more on learning how to 'grind' to reach that goal, and do less 'hating', and maybe one day you'll be blessed with the same success as a musician, Prince has and is blessed with.

"For the love of god Trevor..stay down! stay down!"-Mick/Rockys trainer

2elijah said:

TrevorAyer said:

sorry to break up the love fest but i have every right to state my views all i want until prince drops a cd that will shut me up! i personally don't care who is on it .. make it tony m. boni boyer mayte shelby renato kirk johnson najee .. just blow my mind like he used to .. then you all can tell me i am wrong and need to shut up .. but until then you know it and i know it .. he can do better and i expect him to

Of course you have a right to even though it will be the same old, same old, Cry me a river, lake and ocean:: You say you want him to blow your mind like he used to? Well, it's obvious dude, from your wild rants, his very existence as a musician is still blowing your mind. Why do you think you're on here whining and crying, demanding, and craving for more of his music, to the point your blood pressure is rising over it?

Now, I'm sure you wish you could achieve his success as a musician, but you know what? Here's a little pancake without the syrup wisdom....it might help if you concentrate more on learning how to 'grind' to reach that goal, and do less 'hating', and maybe one day you'll be blessed with the same success as a musician, Prince has been, and is blessed with. Smooches!

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Gurl my train ride home gonna be sweet cuz you killin with the truth this evening!

rdhull said:

TrevorAyer said:

sorry to break up the love fest but i have every right to state my views all i want until prince drops a cd that will shut me up! i personally don't care who is on it .. make it tony m. boni boyer mayte shelby renato kirk johnson najee .. just blow my mind like he used to .. then you all can tell me i am wrong and need to shut up .. but until then you know it and i know it .. he can do better and i expect him to

^^^postin like he has sand in his vagina

now i done heard/seen it all

y'all are still wrong no matter how many dumb metaphor jokes u make .. i am certainly not a hater .. not an enabler either .. y'all are way off topic and it's cuz yer not legit enough to stay on topic .. that makes u the hater