Fuck remasters.

NeonCraxx said:

Fuck remasters.

CD hole's too small

PANDURITO said:

NeonCraxx said:

Fuck remasters.

CD hole's too small

Not for some of us.

luvsexy4all said:

why not release remasters of the warner editions doubled with Prince's remasters ( if u remember he rerecorded his entire catalogue years ago) ???

this way fans win, warners cant bitch and Prince makes his share also...

That wouldn't leave much room for outtakes/b-sides.

I'd like to see Prince emulate the recent reissues by the Smashing Pumpkins. The original album on one disc, another disc of outtakes and b-sides and a live concert dvd. You get all that for around twenty-five bucks. Sounds like a good deal to me.

silverchild said:

Weren't the SHM CDs enough? I just don't see us getting remasters from either Warners or Prince anytime soon. If Prince were to do his own remasters, they would be compressed to death and full of edits. We would bitchin' up a storm. I am satisfied with the SHM CDs that were released a couple of years back. They were a significant improvement in sound over the originals, but some of the originals were pretty good as well. Get some quality headphones and use the volume knob.

Well, I don't think it is just better sounding versions of the albums we already have that people are looking for (although that is part of it). The real draw of remasters for hardcore fans would be outtakes. I'm also guessing that there are versions of most, if not all, of the protege albums that feature Prince's vocals. It would be great to have those officially released.

rialb said:

NeonCraxx said:

Fuck remasters.

Please, don't ever say that.

rdhull said:

NeonCraxx said:

Fuck remasters.

Please, don't ever say that.

Fuck remasters.

NeonCraxx said:

rdhull said:

Please, don't ever say that.

Fuck remasters.

I tend to agree. Remasters are pretty overated imo.

I have an ear for music, and the difference between an original and a remaster is very limited, especially when you're listening to it around the house, or in the car.

Not everyone gets the chance to sit down in a quiet room with headphones, listening out for an extra strum or tap.

I'd rather hear new out-takes or demos.

The build up to a final recording is always fascinating, and more rewarding. IMO.

callimnate said:

Mods can we please lock this thread? All of a sudden there is a huge amount of purple blashpemy happening. Ive been arpound WHILE And never have heard such offensive comments. Im trying to be a purple christian and if we lock it before more evil is typed, we can save some of these souls form purple hell.

Please.

Genesia said:

I'm not sure I'd buy remasters. I still have all my original vinyl - and it sounds as great as it ever did. Do I really need another set of CDs?

Gen dont.

Yall are making me feel like Im in Invasion Of The Purple Body Snatchers right about now.

callimnate said:

NeonCraxx said:

Fuck remasters.

I tend to agree. Remasters are pretty overated imo.

I have an ear for music, and the difference between an original and a remaster is very limited, especially when you're listening to it around the house, or in the car.

Not everyone gets the chance to sit down in a quiet room with headphones, listening out for an extra strum or tap.

I'd rather hear new out-takes or demos.

The build up to a final recording is always fascinating, and more rewarding. IMO.

If you have an ear for music, are you going to say that the cds of SOTT and The Black Album have rich bass that has a crunch and makes you feel the music? Nearly all of Prince's releases before 1995 have almost no bass at all. The vinyl sounds better, but a remastered cd would be the best possible option. We all know that it's probably not going to happen. Prince is Prince, and common sense is not always what we get with Prince.

you can remaster them yourself with Audacity. They come out great too and tweak it to how you prefer it.

I think it would be interesting if Prince's material was reissued in a similar way to how many jazz artists' music is reissued. Take a certain chunk of his career and reissue every song in chronological order in box sets. So, as an example, the first box set could be 1978-1983 and contain every fully produced song that he recorded during those years in chronological order. It might get a bit repetitive hearing some alternate takes over and over again but I think it would be great to get a chance to hear everything in order.

Realistically I don't know if the market for such a release exists as these would be massive box sets but I can dream.

...i'm speechless...Prince ...what are u doing with your Legacy...i want the same thing...BLUR CAN DO THAT so U can DO THAT TOO!!

http://blur.co.uk/blur21/

Blur 21: The Box
A deluxe 21 disc set, featuring:

• All seven newly expanded two-disc studio albums
• Four discs of rarities, exclusive to this set. Includes 3½ hours of previously unreleased material
• Three DVDs including over 2 hours of previously unreleased footage. Includes two pivotal live shows and an exclusive disc of video rarities.
• Collectable 7" single of the rare and previously unreleased live recording of the Seymour-era track Superman.
• Deluxe hard-bound book telling the story of Blur's 21 year career with extensive liner notes based on a brand new interviews with the band, illustrated with imagery of the era, including some previously unseen photos.

I just don't understand this constant banging on about remasters. What is the matter with some people? You're pratcically screaming out ...

"Hey! I've got some money burning a hole in my pocket. Please sell me something I already have, but wrap it up in a bit of glitter, add a couple of unrelased (for good reason) studio demos and charge me a fortune. I love to see a good horse flogged!"

Remasters are just record companies way of maxmising profits on old albums. Half the time people just end up bitching and moaning that they don't sound as good as the originals anyway.

Give me some new material, or a collection of unheard tracks from the vault, over a re-release of an old album any day of the week.

I think he should do some shows where he plays the whole of his albums all the way through. Every song. Pro-shoot it and release that with the CD, and bleed them out over time, starting with second tier (to the general public) albums bundled together like Parade and Around the World in a day and releasing Sign of the Times and Purple Rain with their movies, the live performance (preferrably with a band reunion) and a remastered or original CD.

Like that's ever gonna happen but.

tobydavies said:

I just don't understand this constant banging on about remasters. What is the matter with some people? You're pratcically screaming out ...

"Hey! I've got some money burning a hole in my pocket. Please sell me something I already have, but wrap it up in a bit of glitter, add a couple of unrelased (for good reason) studio demos and charge me a fortune. I love to see a good horse flogged!"

Remasters are just record companies way of maxmising profits on old albums. Half the time people just end up bitching and moaning that they don't sound as good as the originals anyway.

Give me some new material, or a collection of unheard tracks from the vault, over a re-release of an old album any day of the week.

In a perfect world I would wholeheartedly agree that a box set containing nothing but previously unreleased music is the way to go but the reality is that it is more likely that we will receive outtakes bundled together with the original albums.

As I pointed out with the Smashing Pumpkins reissues that seems a great way for Prince to do it. 2 cd's and a dvd at a reasonable price.

rialb said:

tobydavies said:

I just don't understand this constant banging on about remasters. What is the matter with some people? You're pratcically screaming out ...

"Hey! I've got some money burning a hole in my pocket. Please sell me something I already have, but wrap it up in a bit of glitter, add a couple of unrelased (for good reason) studio demos and charge me a fortune. I love to see a good horse flogged!"

Remasters are just record companies way of maxmising profits on old albums. Half the time people just end up bitching and moaning that they don't sound as good as the originals anyway.

Give me some new material, or a collection of unheard tracks from the vault, over a re-release of an old album any day of the week.

In a perfect world I would wholeheartedly agree that a box set containing nothing but previously unreleased music is the way to go but the reality is that it is more likely that we will receive outtakes bundled together with the original albums.

As I pointed out with the Smashing Pumpkins reissues that seems a great way for Prince to do it. 2 cd's and a dvd at a reasonable price.

Why would "the reality" suggest that he's more liely to release remasters with a couple of extra tracks rather than a whole CD of unreleased tracks?

I'd say the opposite is true

Is he more likely to work with Warners on remasters of his old albums with extra material or is he more likely to release something like Crystal Ball?

I think (and hope) he's more likely to release new material or maybe put together an album of unheard stuff from the vault.

Whatever ... I hope there's something new soon.

stillwaiting said:

Prince would probably be more interested in making an album with Shelby shouting "Put Your Hands Up," 200 times per song

I gotta admit I lol'd at that.

tobydavies said:

rialb said:

In a perfect world I would wholeheartedly agree that a box set containing nothing but previously unreleased music is the way to go but the reality is that it is more likely that we will receive outtakes bundled together with the original albums.

As I pointed out with the Smashing Pumpkins reissues that seems a great way for Prince to do it. 2 cd's and a dvd at a reasonable price.

Why would "the reality" suggest that he's more liely to release remasters with a couple of extra tracks rather than a whole CD of unreleased tracks?

I'd say the opposite is true

Is he more likely to work with Warners on remasters of his old albums with extra material or is he more likely to release something like Crystal Ball?

I think (and hope) he's more likely to release new material or maybe put together an album of unheard stuff from the vault.

Whatever ... I hope there's something new soon.

I'm not talking about remasters with one or two outtakes tacked on. I'm talking about 2 cd sets where you get at least a whole second disc of outtakes plus a dvd containing a full concert.

Many artists reissue their back-catalogue with extra tracks. It is a very common practice.

Prince did release an outtakes collection before (Crystal Ball) but that was more of a clearinghouse for recent material that he was unable to release (most of the material was recorded circa 1993-1996). He has had roughly fifteen years to release a sequel, if he was going to do so wouldn't he have done it by now? I'm sure that you are familiar with the 35 year law that gives artists ownership of their masters? In 2013 Prince will start getting his masters back so he will not need to release remasters through WB. He will need a hook to give fans a reason to rebuy the old albums, outtakes are that hook.

Now, that seems like a logical argument but we are talking about Prince here, he does not often walk hand in hand with logic.

rialb said:

Prince did release an outtakes collection before (Crystal Ball) but that was more of a clearinghouse for recent material that he was unable to release (most of the material was recorded circa 1993-1996). He has had roughly fifteen years to release a sequel, if he was going to do so wouldn't he have done it by now? I'm sure that you are familiar with the 35 year law that gives artists ownership of their masters? In 2013 Prince will start getting his masters back so he will not need to release remasters through WB. He will need a hook to give fans a reason to rebuy the old albums, outtakes are that hook.

Now, that seems like a logical argument but we are talking about Prince here, he does not often walk hand in hand with logic.

By the time Prince gets the rights back to his best selling albums, there will be almost nobody buying cds. Cd numbers have been going down year after year. By 2017 when he starts getting rights to albums that actually sold, most of the people interested will be in their late 40's, their 50's or 60's, and probably won't be rushing out to buy physical cds. Even download sales are dropping. Remasters sales by any artists are not really that high.

stillwaiting said:

rialb said:

Prince did release an outtakes collection before (Crystal Ball) but that was more of a clearinghouse for recent material that he was unable to release (most of the material was recorded circa 1993-1996). He has had roughly fifteen years to release a sequel, if he was going to do so wouldn't he have done it by now? I'm sure that you are familiar with the 35 year law that gives artists ownership of their masters? In 2013 Prince will start getting his masters back so he will not need to release remasters through WB. He will need a hook to give fans a reason to rebuy the old albums, outtakes are that hook.

Now, that seems like a logical argument but we are talking about Prince here, he does not often walk hand in hand with logic.

By the time Prince gets the rights back to his best selling albums, there will be almost nobody buying cds. Cd numbers have been going down year after year. By 2017 when he starts getting rights to albums that actually sold, most of the people interested will be in their late 40's, their 50's or 60's, and probably won't be rushing out to buy physical cds. Even download sales are dropping. Remasters sales by any artists are not really that high.

Maybe, maybe not. I think you are slightly exaggerating the age of his fanbase. I'm thirty-one and there are plenty of fans my age or younger. I also don't agree that cd sales are struggling as badly as you portray them. No doubt they are going down but I think there are still enough people that would buy remasters to make it worthwhile for him, assuming there were lots of extras included. We will see what happens.