controversy99 said:

So far so good. I've listened to the first 15 minutes or so, and need to get back to it. But I just want to share 1 thing:

P. Control would have been AMAZING if he called it "She's in Control."

Take the same operatic hook, beat, flow, and just change the "Pussy" to "She's in" in the hook and change the name Pussy to something like Jenny or Julie, and you have Prince's best rap song. Something that would DRAW PEOPLE TO THE DANCE FLOOR instead of clearing it like you mention in the review.

oh the original title was pussy control but then changed 2 p control

i see what ur saying but honestly whenever i heard that song in clubs people we're all over the dance floor

rialb said:

NinaB said:

It's a fun process sitting down with a few friends reviewing each album - would like 2 try that myself! I wonder how the guy's met & do they all live in differant parts of the country or get togetha in person very often?

The origins of the Peach and Blackers are shrouded in secrecy. Like a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Will we ever learn what brought four plucky lads together, united in a love for all that is purple?

NinaB said:

Nice one guy's , very enjoyable show once again sometime's I want 2 join in the chat tho! ha ha . I'm not a musician so always find some of the things u guy's point out very interesting .

Yes! makes me go back and listen more closely to these songs!

love these podcasts!

rialb said:

NinaB said:

It's a fun process sitting down with a few friends reviewing each album - would like 2 try that myself! I wonder how the guy's met & do they all live in differant parts of the country or get togetha in person very often?

The origins of the Peach and Blackers are shrouded in secrecy. Like a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Will we ever learn what brought four plucky lads together, united in a love for all that is purple?

I KNOW that they met at an illuminati meeting. Tropical north queensland chapter. A secret meeting aimed at releasing a stampede or ravinous cassuarys on the unsuspeciting residents or Cairns. I just don't know why...yet.

lust said:

rialb said:

The origins of the Peach and Blackers are shrouded in secrecy. Like a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma. Will we ever learn what brought four plucky lads together, united in a love for all that is purple?

I KNOW that they met at an illuminati meeting. Tropical north queensland chapter. A secret meeting aimed at releasing a stampede or ravinous cassuarys on the unsuspeciting residents or Cairns. I just don't know why...yet.

We'll cassuary you if you can't keep your mouth shut! Sheesh, what ever happened to the days when you could trust people to keep a secret

i love these podcasts but find the lack of objectivity of the reviewers a tad disappointing

your focus on the music and band and ignorance of the horrible lyrics all over this record makes it hard to respect your opinions

p control is beyond stupid .. what the hell does prince know about it anyway .. not like he has much dick control .. the chorus is horrible .. its just crap

the much applauded endorphine machine .. wha? what the hell IS an endorphine machine .. is this the theme song to some saturday morning cartoon show .. and the whole "think tank" break down kills any ability to ignore the lame lyrics and just groove on the riffage

shhh is just a rehashed do me baby scandelous but not as good .. no where near it .. yay drums woo hoo .. drums to do not make a song .. and the lyrics are prepubescent at best

how would someone listen to a dolphin and why would anyone want to be reincarnated as a dolphin .. great first line of the song but shit .. after that its just a fucking mess .. now many lyrics do we have to ignore before this hunk of golden shit becomes a 'classic' prince record .. ugh

the hit beautiful girl has a great chorus .. the rest is easy listening halmark SHIT ..

now .. sucks and you know it .. prince should never rap EVER

i hate u is another do me baby wanna be except this time he rapes his ex lover with a gavel .. yeah ok prince .. another lyrical embarassment .. and u blame the record company for not selling this record .. maybe he was just looking for some cheap controversy but the same people who bought beautiful girl do not want to hear about pussy control and raping the slut you hate .. lame

some of the other tunes are ok but generally not worthy of repeated listening .. shy is bland .. gold is bland .. billy jack is probably my fave on here but its still cant save this golden stinker

please peach and black .. LYRICS COUNT .. gold is not amongst prince classics .. not in a million years ..

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lust said:

^Billy Jack Bitch.

TrevorAyer said:

i love these podcasts but find the lack of objectivity of the reviewers a tad disappointing

your focus on the music and band and ignorance of the horrible lyrics all over this record makes it hard to respect your opinions

p control is beyond stupid .. what the hell does prince know about it anyway .. not like he has much dick control .. the chorus is horrible .. its just crap

the much applauded endorphine machine .. wha? what the hell IS an endorphine machine .. is this the theme song to some saturday morning cartoon show .. and the whole "think tank" break down kills any ability to ignore the lame lyrics and just groove on the riffage

shhh is just a rehashed do me baby scandelous but not as good .. no where near it .. yay drums woo hoo .. drums to do not make a song .. and the lyrics are prepubescent at best

how would someone listen to a dolphin and why would anyone want to be reincarnated as a dolphin .. great first line of the song but shit .. after that its just a fucking mess .. now many lyrics do we have to ignore before this hunk of golden shit becomes a 'classic' prince record .. ugh

the hit beautiful girl has a great chorus .. the rest is easy listening halmark SHIT ..

now .. sucks and you know it .. prince should never rap EVER

i hate u is another do me baby wanna be except this time he rapes his ex lover with a gavel .. yeah ok prince .. another lyrical embarassment .. and u blame the record company for not selling this record .. maybe he was just looking for some cheap controversy but the same people who bought beautiful girl do not want to hear about pussy control and raping the slut you hate .. lame

some of the other tunes are ok but generally not worthy of repeated listening .. shy is bland .. gold is bland .. billy jack is probably my fave on here but its still cant save this golden stinker

please peach and black .. LYRICS COUNT .. gold is not amongst prince classics .. not in a million years ..

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BILLY JACK BITCH!!!

Would if I called you silly names...Just like the ones that you called me? Would if I fill your eyes with tears...So many that you can not see!! Haha...

Don't take it too personal! You are entilted to your opinion, though!

TrevorAyer said:

i love these podcasts but find the lack of objectivity of the reviewers a tad disappointing

your focus on the music and band and ignorance of the horrible lyrics all over this record makes it hard to respect your opinions

please peach and black .. LYRICS COUNT .. gold is not amongst prince classics .. not in a million years ..

[Edited 3/18/12 10:22am]

Or maybe they have a different opinion about the album than you do? If it bothers you why not start up your own podcast and trash the album?

If you can not hear the difference between "Do Me Baby"/"Scandalous" and "Shhh"/"I Hate U" then you are not paying attention.

I'm not sure why you are so hung up on the lyrics. Prince was never a fantastic lyricist.

I find it very refreshing that they are so excited and animated when discussing his music, particularly the later albums. Besides, it is not as if they are never negative/critical. Just ask MC what he thinks of "Resolution" or "The Morning After."

TrevorAyer said:

i love these podcasts but find the lack of objectivity of the reviewers a tad disappointing

I'm not sure how you expect them to be objective when they're giving their own personal opinions and impressions of the songs.

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um taste matters .. you can hide behind every body having their own opinion but put anything off of gold next to a b side like "she's always in my hair" or "how come u don't call me" .. lyrically and musically both surpass anything on gold and those are just b sides

there needs to be standards of taste in the world and no certain things are not just opinion...

if your review begins by saying you are not even paying attention to the lyrics than you are not reviewing the song .. you are reviewing the drummer or the bass line .. the basic level of taste should come from a review of the whole of the music .. not just the guitar solo or drum break ..

come on thats basic .. i am not here to trash gold .. just pointing out why its NOT a prince classic by a long shot .. my frustration stems from the lack of effort in music on the whole and prince having the skills but being too lazy to use them .. he'd rather push out an album quick than make a classic slowly ..

and no .. prince lyrics were never THIS stupid .. lets be real .. lets hold each other to a higher standard of taste so that the world .. ahem .. or at least the next prince record might not be saturated in such extreme mediocrity .. mediocrity has never been prince strong point so why celebrate it like you all do ..

there needs to be standards of taste in the world and no certain things are not just opinion...

ok i'll set the standards ...

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE OR POST A FAVORABLE REVIEW OF ANY PRINCE SONGS UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THE LYRICS (and you certainly aren't allowed to call people haters for not liking what u like until you properly learn to listen to a song)

that should get you all started

if you make it that far here are some more ...

listen to real jazz, real rap, real classical, real blues before you go around saying how great prince is at all those genres

.. let me know how that goes for ya ...

Prince esta muerto (Prince is dead)

Prince esta muerto (Prince is dead)

Que viva para siempre el Poder de la Nueva Generacion (Long live the New Power Generation)

TrevorAyer said:

ok i'll set the standards ...

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE OR POST A FAVORABLE REVIEW OF ANY PRINCE SONGS UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THE LYRICS (and you certainly aren't allowed to call people haters for not liking what u like until you properly learn to listen to a song)

that should get you all started

if you make it that far here are some more ...

listen to real jazz, real rap, real classical, real blues before you go around saying how great prince is at all those genres

.. let me know how that goes for ya ...

I'm still kind of confused in what you are trying to say?

The "Peace & Black Podcast" gave their 'Opinion' on an album they believe is one of his best. You might not agree with it, but to take away from their criticism is not criticism at all, especially when you seemingly are implementing your own taste and understanding making yours more valuable than theirs. You might not be doing that intentionally, but it comes across that way,

I have a question for you: Give me an artist that can 'ATTEMPT/ Manage/And Sell' many genres, while managing to capture key aspects of its genre within its respective field?

No one claimed that Prince was a master of all of those genres. What sets Prince apart is his ability to 'fuse' those genres into one song/album and making it work without studying ALL of the ins and outs. He has impeccable arranging and production skills. If some of the most respected producers, and arrangers, give him that credit; it is a testimony to his abilities. You make him sound as if he hasn't done anything that is not 'Real'.Haha. When you say listen to "Real Rap/Real..etc

How can we criticize an artist who solely does: Blues, classical, jazz,rap, etc. In contrast to someone who does it here and there? Those who solely stick to one genre studies it, envelopes it into their whole being. They continue to grow in the understanding of that piece. Prince has grown to a higher understanding of some of these genres, and as a result we can see its detail. 'Madhouse' compared to "Xpecation" is a perfect example.

He certainly doesn't deserve the credit as 'MASTER' in all of those fields. Not to me anyways, but I can't think of any other artist who can take all of those genres, play and produce them as coherent as Prince. There might be some, give me the names? I would like to know them! I am intrigued by gifted artists in that sense.

I am no Stan/ Typical Prince Fan either, I can value and give credit to where it is due. And Prince certainly does 'Master' the ability to incorporate different styles and textures in a song effortlessly.

TrevorAyer said:

TrevorAyer said:

um taste matters .. you can hide behind every body having their own opinion but put anything off of gold next to a b side like "she's always in my hair" or "how come u don't call me" .. lyrically and musically both surpass anything on gold and those are just b sides

there needs to be standards of taste in the world and no certain things are not just opinion...

if your review begins by saying you are not even paying attention to the lyrics than you are not reviewing the song .. you are reviewing the drummer or the bass line .. the basic level of taste should come from a review of the whole of the music .. not just the guitar solo or drum break ..

come on thats basic .. i am not here to trash gold .. just pointing out why its NOT a prince classic by a long shot .. my frustration stems from the lack of effort in music on the whole and prince having the skills but being too lazy to use them .. he'd rather push out an album quick than make a classic slowly ..

and no .. prince lyrics were never THIS stupid .. lets be real .. lets hold each other to a higher standard of taste so that the world .. ahem .. or at least the next prince record might not be saturated in such extreme mediocrity .. mediocrity has never been prince strong point so why celebrate it like you all do ..

In your opinion. Would you agree that the wider consensus among fans is that The Gold Experience is a great album? You may not agree but it is often cited as his last great album and his best post eighties album. Of course you may disagree but it is not just the guys on the Peach and Black podcast that praise The Gold Experience. If they had claimed that Newpower Soul was a phenomenal album then I could see your point but most fans already agree that The Gold Experience is a great album so I'm not sure what the problem is.

ugh .. i was gonna try not to chime in again but u sucked me in

no i dont agree that most prince fans think gold is his last great record

i actually like nps better .. only because it has a couple of true classics .. come on and the one

and some of the other lyrical content is not so bad

tho some is .. i find it far more digestable than gold experience lyrically

in my mind the difference between purple rain and gold (the songs) is huge ..

come on and gett off are both super funky i might even like come on better

so there u have it ..

The unreleased original tracks may be a tad better, but to me, the released album is terrible. It's always been on my list of worst Prince albums. But that's just me.

The Gold Experience [Warner Bros./NPG, 1995]
After two or three plays, convinced that "P Control" and "Endorphinmachine" slam harder than any hip hop I've heard in years, I shrugged and recalled that, after all, I already knew he was the most gifted recording artist of the era. But this album documents more than professional genius rampant--all of them do that. This album is a renewal. It's as sex-obsessed as ever, only with more juice--"Shhh" and "319" especially pack the kind of porno jolt sexy music rarely gets near and hard music never does. And you'd best believe "Shhh" and 319" are hard--not for years has the auteur (as opposed to some hired gat) sounded so black, and not for years has the guitarist sounded so rock. As for the ballads, they suffer only by their failure to dominate. One of them has already stormed the radio--and another, good for him, takes too many risks to follow. A

V10LETBLUES said:

The unreleased original tracks may be a tad better, but to me, the released album is terrible. It's always been on my list of worst Prince albums. But that's just me.

Not just you but it reads a lot better when delivered with humilty. It's a classic album for me although I wish We March was not on there. It's always dragged the album down in my humble opinion.

lust said:

TrevorAyer said:

ok i'll set the standards ...

YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE OR POST A FAVORABLE REVIEW OF ANY PRINCE SONGS UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THE LYRICS (and you certainly aren't allowed to call people haters for not liking what u like until you properly learn to listen to a song)

that should get you all started

if you make it that far here are some more ...

listen to real jazz, real rap, real classical, real blues before you go around saying how great prince is at all those genres

.. let me know how that goes for ya ...

All those who want to ratify these rules say ai.

Bueller..........Bueller.......

Another excellent podcast chaps - really do look forward to them all. Gotta say, pretty much agree with most of what the guys said. I'm also a massive fan of this album in his cannon - the production just sounds...well...'golden'. I also love the excellent liner notes written by Jon Bream - really tees up the listening experience.

Massive props to Playa for discovering Richard Cheese. Absolutely cracked up, bent double, when I heard his version of Pussy Control whilst out on my walk (getting a lot of strange looks from passers-by). Oh boy, would love to hear his versions of "Bob George" or "Cindy C" - man...I could write a LONG list.

Would also like to mention that as a Prince fan since 1984 there was always the moniker "May u live 2 see the dawn". I got caught up as a teenager into the whole Princely avant-purple world he helped create in my head and always thought to myself "Wow, what is the dawn?. Is it when we die? A purple utopia? The second coming? An album? Heaven? etc. etc." And here we finally arrive at "The Dawn" just before the final song "Gold". Disappointed? Nah, I like "Gold"

Well Peach & Black, it's 25 years since the juggernaut that is "Sign of the Times" was released next month. Will April be that time?....

I am getting weery of people underrating We March, I really like that song. I'll even take it over 319.