alphachannel said:

IF and only if we ignore the egos, politics and emotions that would never let this idea happen, it COULD be interesting.

All of Prince's guitarists have more a funk/soul/jazz vibe -- all except Dez that is. Not saying Jesse is better but he would inject a bit of edginess like he got from Dez on the Dirty Mind, Controversy and 1999 tours that's been missing of late. Maybe an injection of conflict and tension would help too!

I agree, that's the kind of stuff that makes for some good song writing

jackson35 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

If that was to happen, Prince would always have to have a back-up guitar player on board at all times, seeing how Jesse now will be known for quitting without advanced notice to fans. It just wouldn't work no matter how good Jesse's guitar playing is. Jesse did say he was a loner apparently not feeling fulfilled playing within a group. If you're in a band, your bandmates rely on you to be there. If you have someone in your band, who can 'F' the game up at any minute, you always have to be 2 steps ahead of them with a plan 'B' and 'C'.

I appears Jesse wants to be able to be a standout guitar player 'shining his guitar-playing skills in the light, ' and hoping to become as successful as musicians/performers, such as Prince, Santana, and others who have achieved their success/fame through hard work and patience. Jesse just needs to find a way to do that, if he desires to reach that level.

Jesse never quit the Time until it was evident that the band wasn't going anywhere, since Morris Day was done during the PR era.

If Prince on maybe 3-4 songs an album let the band record he would have had a better chemistry

You can't punk men around and expect the best

Jesse as far as I know was very dedicated to the band. Prince kept to much of a tight hold on them. These guys no matter the circumstances believed in Prince and what he was doing then

I think that's why the 1999 Triple Threat era was so hot Prince & the noituloveR + Jill Jones Vanity 6 & the Time was really for what was happening.

Prince made a big mistake in firing Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Okay, but what about now OF4S? Jesse's leaving was apparently his own decision. What happened back then when they first started cannot be changed, and most of the band members went on to their solo careers. But in present day, under the '07', they were not and are not under Prince's management, ownership or watch, so what happened between the current '07 members and Jesse leaving has to do 'with now' not 20 plus years ago.

There is no one else to throw blame on outside of the '07' for Jesse's decision to leave, as far as what Jesse stated on his FB page. He specifically stated, he couldn't see 'eye to eye' with his bandmates, so whatever creative differences transpired, if that was the reason, under their new name as a group, was apparently the reason for Jesse leaving. Now if he was to work with Prince today, it would be a matter of time (no pun intended) before Jesse decides, it's not for him or they clash on creative ideas, musically, and then decides to leave the band, and even if under contract, might not show up for a show just to piss off one of his bandmates, if things don't go in his direction. I am not saying he would actually do this, but how he left the 07' at a time they just put out their first album, after an absence of over 20 years as a group with all the original members, sort of crosses the lines of 'trust, 'reliability' and 'loyalty'. Real friends don't leave their friends hanging. I'm just basing this on how Jesse expressed himself as a 'loner' , in relation to how he sees himself and his music career, as a musician/guitar player, and how he quit the band unexpectedly, and so soon.

He seems to prefer being 'in charge' of his creative decisions musically and what direction he wants to take, rather than obligating himself to one group for a long period of time. Musicians grow and change through their experiences as musicians, so it is obvious he sees his music career in a different light, so-to-speak, than 20 plus years ago when he was with The Time. Not saying that Jesse doesn't have the right as a musician to express how he desires to take his music career, that's his personal right, but I think a lot of his fans were caught off guard by his recent action with the 07.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

'how would it be if Jesse Johnson joined Prince's touring band??'

I think that would be an excellent idea! Jesse already was practically a member of Prince band by being in The Time during the Controversy & 1999 tours . Since Prince rehearsed them 6 hours every day. so it wouldn't be much difference. Prince practically groomed jesse 2 b a super star. Words out of Jesse's own mouth.

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wow, Jesse looks just like Prince here is that Bobby Z on drums? Also, luv the funky moves from the 1 and only Sexy MF

Praxis said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

'how would it be if Jesse Johnson joined Prince's touring band??'

I think that would be an excellent idea! Jesse already was practically a member of Prince band by being in The Time during the Controversy & 1999 tours . Since Prince rehearsed them 6 hours every day. so it wouldn't be much difference. Prince practically groomed jesse 2 b a super star. Words out of Jesse's own mouth.

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wow, Jesse looks just like Prince here is that Bobby Z on drums? Also, luv the funky moves from the 1 and only Sexy MF

Yes Jesse had a good teacher. That is Bobby. But not the Bobby U think it is....

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Jesse never quit the Time until it was evident that the band wasn't going anywhere, since Morris Day was done during the PR era.

If Prince on maybe 3-4 songs an album let the band record he would have had a better chemistry

You can't punk men around and expect the best

Jesse as far as I know was very dedicated to the band. Prince kept to much of a tight hold on them. These guys no matter the circumstances believed in Prince and what he was doing then

I think that's why the 1999 Triple Threat era was so hot Prince & the noituloveR + Jill Jones Vanity 6 & the Time was really for what was happening.

Prince made a big mistake in firing Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis

Okay, but what about now OF4S? Jesse's leaving was apparently his own decision. What happened back then when they first started cannot be changed, and most of the band members went on to their solo careers. But in present day, under the '07', they were not and are not under Prince's management, ownership or watch, so what happened between the current '07 members and Jesse leaving has to do 'with now' not 20 plus years ago.

There is no one else to throw blame on outside of the '07' for Jesse's decision to leave, as far as what Jesse stated on his FB page. He specifically stated, he couldn't see 'eye to eye' with his bandmates, so whatever creative differences transpired, if that was the reason, under their new name as a group, was apparently the reason for Jesse leaving. Now if he was to work with Prince today, it would be a matter of time (no pun intended) before Jesse decides, it's not for him or they clash on creative ideas, musically, and then decides to leave the band, and even if under contract, might not show up for a show just to piss off one of his bandmates, if things don't go in his direction. I am not saying he would actually do this, but how he left the 07' at a time they just put out their first album, after an absence of over 20 years as a group with all the original members, sort of crosses the lines of 'trust, 'reliability' and 'loyalty'. Real friends don't leave their friends hanging. I'm just basing this on how Jesse expressed himself as a 'loner' , in relation to how he sees himself and his music career, as a musician/guitar player, and how he quit the band unexpectedly, and so soon.

He seems to prefer being 'in charge' of his creative decisions musically and what direction he wants to take, rather than obligating himself to one group for a long period of time. Musicians grow and change through their experiences as musicians, so it is obvious he sees his music career in a different light, so-to-speak, than 20 plus years ago when he was with The Time. Not saying that Jesse doesn't have the right as a musician to express how he desires to take his music career, that's his personal right, but I think a lot of his fans were caught off guard by his recent action with the 07.

omg lol I totally lost track of the 'current situation' that fast... I was on a 'ready to go home and start Christmas vacation' high lol sorry

Yes I agree about his decision now,

I think for me the idea of him joining the touring band would be a temp thing, maybe do 10 shows and go from there, I think it would be fun and creative for both Prince & Jesse, he might even think differently about the Time

I can understand how he may feel, as a soloist he's had some wider ranged topics vs some of the stuff the Time sings about

thebanishedone said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Okay, but what about now OF4S? Jesse's leaving was apparently his own decision. What happened back then when they first started cannot be changed, and most of the band members went on to their solo careers. But in present day, under the '07', they were not and are not under Prince's management, ownership or watch, so what happened between the current '07 members and Jesse leaving has to do 'with now' not 20 plus years ago.

There is no one else to throw blame on outside of the '07' for Jesse's decision to leave, as far as what Jesse stated on his FB page. He specifically stated, he couldn't see 'eye to eye' with his bandmates, so whatever creative differences transpired, if that was the reason, under their new name as a group, was apparently the reason for Jesse leaving. Now if he was to work with Prince today, it would be a matter of time (no pun intended) before Jesse decides, it's not for him or they clash on creative ideas, musically, and then decides to leave the band, and even if under contract, might not show up for a show just to piss off one of his bandmates, if things don't go in his direction. I am not saying he would actually do this, but how he left the 07' at a time they just put out their first album, after an absence of over 20 years as a group with all the original members, sort of crosses the lines of 'trust, 'reliability' and 'loyalty'. Real friends don't leave their friends hanging. I'm just basing this on how Jesse expressed himself as a 'loner' , in relation to how he sees himself and his music career, as a musician/guitar player, and how he quit the band unexpectedly, and so soon.

He seems to prefer being 'in charge' of his creative decisions musically and what direction he wants to take, rather than obligating himself to one group for a long period of time. Musicians grow and change through their experiences as musicians, so it is obvious he sees his music career in a different light, so-to-speak, than 20 plus years ago when he was with The Time. Not saying that Jesse doesn't have the right as a musician to express how he desires to take his music career, that's his personal right, but I think a lot of his fans were caught off guard by his recent action with the 07.

omg lol I totally lost track of the 'current situation' that fast... I was on a 'ready to go home and start Christmas vacation' high lol sorry

Yes I agree about his decision now,

I think for me the idea of him joining the touring band would be a temp thing, maybe do 10 shows and go from there, I think it would be fun and creative for both Prince & Jesse, he might even think differently about the Time

I can understand how he may feel, as a soloist he's had some wider ranged topics vs some of the stuff the Time sings about

I was wondering about that response. Yes, it probably would be a cool collboration, and wishful thinking for some, but who knows if they would clash personality or maybe creatively, music wise? I also get what you're saying about him preferring to be a solo musician vs being obligated to playing in a group right now vs his dedication towards performing in a group back in the day with his former bandmates. We shall have to wait and see how his career takes off from this point.

avasdad said:

could imagine them two on the same stage trading guitar solos?!?! OMFG!

He cant play with the original 7 & yall want him to play with Prince........

2elijah said:

thebanishedone said:

prince's chops fallen off? Can you tell us why you feel that way.judged by montreux dvd prince plays guitar better then ever

Better yet, not that I'm diminishing Jesse's guitar-playing skills in anyway, but if Jesse is capable of doing what orger 'jackson35' says, then as a musician with his years of experience, and the exposure he's had as a musician for 20 years plus, then why at this current time is Jesse not on the same level of success with his music career like Prince or Santana if that is the case?

I agree with Prince (and it's a general thought I agree with) everyone was not meant to be 'outfront' that's what he told Jesse, Morris Day is a front man. Some people shine really brightly in a back up space

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

thebanishedone said: Better yet, not that I'm diminishing Jesse's guitar-playing skills in anyway, but if Jesse is capable of doing what orger 'jackson35' says, then as a musician with his years of experience, and the exposure he's had as a musician for 20 years plus, then why at this current time is Jesse not on the same level of success with his music career like Prince or Santana if that is the case?

I agree with Prince (and it's a general thought I agree with) everyone was not meant to be 'outfront' that's what he told Jesse, Morris Day is a front man. Some people shine really brightly in a back up space

Okay, I can agree with that, good point. But Jesse states he's a 'loner' as a musician, so if that's the case, and he's not meant to be outfront, and yet says he wants to be as good as Sly (back in the day), then he'll have to be outfront, don't you think?

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2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I agree with Prince (and it's a general thought I agree with) everyone was not meant to be 'outfront' that's what he told Jesse, Morris Day is a front man. Some people shine really brightly in a back up space

Okay, I can agree with that, good point. But Jesse states he's a 'loner' as a musician, so if that's the case, and he's not meant to me outfront, and yet says he wants to be as good as Sly (back in the day), then he'll have to be outfront, don't you think?

Yes, I totally agree, but if he wanted to be there, all these years shouldn't have passed without us knowing where he is.

It would have been easier for him to get there in the 1980's after that 'superstars' were hard to become especially the way he is thinking

Maybe Prince back then should have worked a protege band around him and kept him in Paisley Park

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Okay, I can agree with that, good point. But Jesse states he's a 'loner' as a musician, so if that's the case, and he's not meant to me outfront, and yet says he wants to be as good as Sly (back in the day), then he'll have to be outfront, don't you think?

Yes, I totally agree, but if he wanted to be there, all these years shouldn't have passed without us knowing where he is.

It would have been easier for him to get there in the 1980's after that 'superstars' were hard to become especially the way he is thinking

Maybe Prince back then should have worked a protege band around him and kept him in Paisley Park

Exactly. I would think if that was his desire to be outfront like Sly Stone was back in the day, then he would have steered his career in that direction, but he pretty much was a 'one of the background musicians' in The Time, and like you said Morris Day was the one who stood out as a frontman. I hadn't heard Jesse's name again until his last album was out about a year or two ago, so it was like he was missing for over 20 years and just resurfaced. I guess now he'll have to work major overtime, to accomplish the type of level/status that Sly, Prince, Springsteen and Santana's obtained as stand-out musicians/performers. All those guys worked hard over the years to make sure they stayed 'outfront' and became household names.

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Praxis said:

wow, Jesse looks just like Prince here is that Bobby Z on drums? Also, luv the funky moves from the 1 and only Sexy MF

Yes Jesse had a good teacher. That is Bobby. But not the Bobby U think it is....

Bobby Vandell

Drummer, percussionist and singer from Twin Cities. He is also a founding member and leader of the Minnesota band, The TC Jammers and was the original drummer in Dr. Mambos Combo. Locally, he has worked with Lamont Cranston, The Steeles, The Doug Maynard Band, The Hoopsnakes, Stockcar Named Desire, Root City and Mick Sterling, and the Stud Brothers among others. He is currently active with The Bobby Vandell Band, performing regularly on Sunday night jams at The Whiskey Junction in Minneapolis.

On the national and international level, he has played drums with The Time, Jesse Johnson’s Revue, Bonnie Raitt, Bobby Lyle, Roy Buchanan, Curtis Salgado, Chuck Berry, Roseanne Barr, Tom Arnold, The Shirelles, The Marvellettes, Johnathon, Al Wilson, Otis Day and The Knights, Sam Moore of Sam and Dave, Bruce Conte of Tower Of Power, Lipps Inc., and Soupy Sales.

Bobby spent 1988 on the road playing drums on a world tour with Alexander O’Neal as the supporting act of Gladys Knight And The Pips. Highlights of that tour include performances at festivals with Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Luther Vandross and Earth Wind and Fire, with shows at the Wembly Arena in London, as well as a performance at the Apollo Theater in New York.

National and international television appearances include The Soul Train television show with Jesse Johnson’s Revue, opening the Soul Train Music Awards show with Alexander O’Neal, performing on Rick Dee’s "Into The Night" television show with Roseanne Barr, a concert on BBC in London England with Alexander O’Neal, a popular music show in Mexico City with Lipps Inc., the video “Be Your Man” with Jesse Johnson’s Revue as well as an acting appearance in the 1982 movie “Purple Haze.”

Recording sessions include Jesse Johnson’s Revue on A&M Records and four albums for Lipps Inc. on Polygram Records as well as playing drums and being featured on lead vocals of The Minneapolis All Stars live CD for Ben Sidran’s “Go Jazz” label. Bobby also produced and arranged the music for Roseanne Barr’s comedy album for Hollywood Records, and has been inducted various times into the Midwest Music Hall Of Fame, and he received with his TC Jammers band various Minnesota Music Awards.

Thx 4 that...damn, Minn. sure is kickin' when it comes 2 musicians

Praxis said:

Thx 4 that...damn, Minn. sure is kickin' when it comes 2 musicians

Yep it sure is....I guess its the cold

2elijah said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes, I totally agree, but if he wanted to be there, all these years shouldn't have passed without us knowing where he is.

It would have been easier for him to get there in the 1980's after that 'superstars' were hard to become especially the way he is thinking

Maybe Prince back then should have worked a protege band around him and kept him in Paisley Park

Exactly. I would think if that was his desire to be outfront like Sly Stone was back in the day, then he would have steered his career in that direction, but he pretty much was a 'one of the background musicians' in The Time, and like you said Morris Day was the one who stood out as a frontman. I hadn't heard Jesse's name again until his last album was out about a year or two ago, so it was like he was missing for over 20 years and just resurfaced. I guess now he'll have to work major overtime, to accomplish the type of level/status that Sly, Prince, Springsteen and Santana's obtained as stand-out musicians/performers. All those guys worked hard over the years to make sure they stayed 'outfront' and became household names.

Yeah and Sly Santana Springsteen etc those guys came on the scene when there was no MTV and the world was different, those guys were out there in the 1970's even pre Prince. Prince came along just in time to make the 'super star' years. I even question if Prince would have been as huge if he started late 1980's early 90's... probably not. The early 80's was ripe for the last of that kind of superstardom

Jesse after he left the Time was doing alright for a few years, he had that Minneapolis sound poppin, he was featured on a few movie soundtracks like Breakfast Club & I think Coming 2 America (the scene were the sisters are in the living room and the 1 is dancing to some music)

I just think Jesse could have been bigger if he stayed identified with Prince at the time, pop culture had a huge eye on Erotic City/Paisley Park at the time. Sheila E wouldn't be as big as she is if it wasn't 4 those 1984-1988 years

I don't know why people here keep saying Jesse wasn't big. If U mean a superstar like Prince & MJ or Rick James became. Only a few black artist are let in that category.Then are torn down to shreds afterwards. I mean look what ended up happening to MJ. Jesse's success was fine. Its not all about becoming a superstar all the time. geez! Let it go... Also Jesse was on way more than a few soundtracks.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I don't know why people here keep saying Jesse wasn't big. If U mean a superstar like Prince & MJ or Rick James became. Only a few black artist are let in that category.Then are torn down to shreds afterwards. I mean look what ended up happening to MJ. Jesse's success was fine. Its not all about becoming a superstar all the time. geez! Let it go... Also Jesse was on way more than a few soundtracks.

Well I mean if Jesse was saying he wanted to be big like Sly or Springsteen, then that's what we are going on. I'm not going on my own idea, but his idea of how big he wanted to be. He's the one that wanted to be big like MJ Prince & Rick James.

I don't think race has anything to do with it, because some of the biggest superstars happen to be 'black'. When people talk about the superstars of the 80's it's Prince Madonna Bruce Springsteen & Michael Jackson ... then there was Tina Turner Lionel Ritchie Whitney Houston Sade Anita Baker etc etc and most of these people were HUGE in the 1980's across colorlines.

It's not about being 'let in' the list is large of 'black' artists & entertainers that are huge, but I believe that only a few 'artists & entertainers' could make that 'Super Star' catagory and race had nothing to do with it. I also think that the 'Super Star' could no longer be made after the 1980's because the floodgates for who can make a record just broke open and there was a lot of people who got on an easy road to fame.

Racially in the 1990's a lot of cross over took place, who became huge as an entertainer after the 1990's cannot be attributed to or held be from because of race: from rap to RnB or whatever else kind of music they played Tupac Usher Mary J etc

Who are the people that are torn down to shreds because they are black?

What happened to MJ was because of the child molestation issues. Michael was still a superstar and would and could sell out albums and shows world wide and eveybody STILL wanted to work with him from new dancers producers musicians & Lou Ferrigno

Whitney Houston was LARGE during her bodyguard years, and she was one of the HUGE artists of the 1980's, it was Whitney's lifestyle that tore her down, had nothing to do with race. And people STILL believe in Whitney.

who tore Prince down? I don't think he was torn down, just his 1990's WB issues made him look silly, but no one tore him down

Like I said Jesse was doing good in the 1980's and I did mention a few soundtracks he was on, I didn't say those were the only 2, but as far as I know he kinda fell of the musical map after that

Again to wrap this up, we were refering to something Jesse said he wanted not what we said he should have been.

2elijah said:

...but how he left the 07' at a time they just put out their first album, after an absence of over 20 years as a group with all the original members, sort of crosses the lines of 'trust, 'reliability' and 'loyalty'. Real friends don't leave their friends hanging...

OldFriends4Sale said:

never say never

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

Exactly. I would think if that was his desire to be outfront like Sly Stone was back in the day, then he would have steered his career in that direction, but he pretty much was a 'one of the background musicians' in The Time, and like you said Morris Day was the one who stood out as a frontman. I hadn't heard Jesse's name again until his last album was out about a year or two ago, so it was like he was missing for over 20 years and just resurfaced. I guess now he'll have to work major overtime, to accomplish the type of level/status that Sly, Prince, Springsteen and Santana's obtained as stand-out musicians/performers. All those guys worked hard over the years to make sure they stayed 'outfront' and became household names.

Yeah and Sly Santana Springsteen etc those guys came on the scene when there was no MTV and the world was different, those guys were out there in the 1970's even pre Prince. Prince came along just in time to make the 'super star' years. I even question if Prince would have been as huge if he started late 1980's early 90's... probably not. The early 80's was ripe for the last of that kind of superstardom

Jesse after he left the Time was doing alright for a few years, he had that Minneapolis sound poppin, he was featured on a few movie soundtracks like Breakfast Club & I think Coming 2 America (the scene were the sisters are in the living room and the 1 is dancing to some music)

I just think Jesse could have been bigger if he stayed identified with Prince at the time, pop culture had a huge eye on Erotic City/Paisley Park at the time. Sheila E wouldn't be as big as she is if it wasn't 4 those 1984-1988 years

Very good points.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I don't know why people here keep saying Jesse wasn't big. If U mean a superstar like Prince & MJ or Rick James became. Only a few black artist are let in that category.Then are torn down to shreds afterwards. I mean look what ended up happening to MJ. Jesse's success was fine. Its not all about becoming a superstar all the time. geez! Let it go... Also Jesse was on way more than a few soundtracks.

No reason to be upset. No one is degrading/discrediting Jesse at all, just saying he could have had that 'Sly Stone' status, he is 'now' desiring to achieve as a 'lone' musician in which he mentioned on his fb page. I think if that was the route he wanted to go, when the '07' released their album, he had the opportunity to ride that wave until he got his name out there 'again', then could have released his own new album, during that time. It wold have given him media exposure, as didn't the '07' have some appearances/interviews lined up? So that is where some of us is going with what we're expressing about Jesse.

Sometimes you have to crawl before you walk, especially when your name is basically gone from the limelight you had over 20 years ago as 'recognizable' and you state publically, that you want to achieve that 'standout' status as a musican like 'Sly Stone' had. Well, then sometimes to do that, you have to crawl twice as much tan you did years ago and leave the ego on the back burner, to walk up to the 'top' step of the ladder you're trying to climb. Nothing wrong with that..it's called 'patience and 'perseverance'. How do you think Sly,(when he was on top), and Santana, Bruce and Prince achieved their 'standout' and legendary statuses? Just sayin'.

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joyinrepetition said:

Prince would try to out play Jesse and Jesse would try to out play Prince at every turn. Prince would light that ass up, but Jesse would hold his own.

Talk about entertaining! I'd be right in front watching this go down.

2elijah said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I don't know why people here keep saying Jesse wasn't big. If U mean a superstar like Prince & MJ or Rick James became. Only a few black artist are let in that category.Then are torn down to shreds afterwards. I mean look what ended up happening to MJ. Jesse's success was fine. Its not all about becoming a superstar all the time. geez! Let it go... Also Jesse was on way more than a few soundtracks.

No reason to be upset. No one is degrading/discrediting Jesse at all, just saying he could have had that 'Sly Stone' status, he is 'now' desiring to achieve as a 'lone' musician in which he mentioned on his fb page. I think if that was the route he wanted to go, when the '07' released their album, he had the opportunity to ride that wave until he got his name out there 'again', then could have released his own new album, during that time. It wold have given him media exposure, as didn't the '07' have some appearances/interviews lined up? So that is where some of us is going with what we're expressing about Jesse.

Sometimes you have to crawl before you walk, especially when your name is basically gone from the limelight you had over 20 years ago as 'recognizable' and you state publically, that you want to achieve that 'standout' status as a musican like 'Sly Stone' had. Well, then sometimes to do that, you have to crawl twice as much tan you did years ago and leave the ego on the back burner, to walk up to the 'top' step of the ladder you're trying to climb. Nothing wrong with that..it's called 'patience and 'perseverance'. How do you think Sly,(when he was on top), and Santana, Bruce and Prince achieved their 'standout' and legendary statuses? Just sayin'.

[Edited 12/23/11 9:33am]

Well said.

2elijah said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I don't know why people here keep saying Jesse wasn't big. If U mean a superstar like Prince & MJ or Rick James became. Only a few black artist are let in that category.Then are torn down to shreds afterwards. I mean look what ended up happening to MJ. Jesse's success was fine. Its not all about becoming a superstar all the time. geez! Let it go... Also Jesse was on way more than a few soundtracks.

No reason to be upset. No one is degrading/discrediting Jesse at all, just saying he could have had that 'Sly Stone' status, he is 'now' desiring to achieve as a 'lone' musician in which he mentioned on his fb page. I think if that was the route he wanted to go, when the '07' released their album, he had the opportunity to ride that wave until he got his name out there 'again', then could have released his own new album, during that time. It wold have given him media exposure, as didn't the '07' have some appearances/interviews lined up? So that is where some of us is going with what we're expressing about Jesse.

Sometimes you have to crawl before you walk, especially when your name is basically gone from the limelight you had over 20 years ago as 'recognizable' and you state publically, that you want to achieve that 'standout' status as a musican like 'Sly Stone' had. Well, then sometimes to do that, you have to crawl twice as much tan you did years ago and leave the ego on the back burner, to walk up to the 'top' step of the ladder you're trying to climb. Nothing wrong with that..it's called 'patience and 'perseverance'. How do you think Sly,(when he was on top), and Santana, Bruce and Prince achieved their 'standout' and legendary statuses? Just sayin'.

Right, I think it bad karma that you go thru recording an album with guys(the original Time) and then leave them high and dry like that.

This album was not going to stop him from still doing a Jesse Johnson album. Like you said it could have gotten him back in the spotlight in a bigger way.

Just like when the origina Time performed at the music awards a year ago, everyone took notice

All this time you do hardly anything, and as soon as the Time records an album and inspires your creative streak you dump them. Wrong Jesse Wrong

OldFriends4Sale said:

2elijah said:

No reason to be upset. No one is degrading/discrediting Jesse at all, just saying he could have had that 'Sly Stone' status, he is 'now' desiring to achieve as a 'lone' musician in which he mentioned on his fb page. I think if that was the route he wanted to go, when the '07' released their album, he had the opportunity to ride that wave until he got his name out there 'again', then could have released his own new album, during that time. It wold have given him media exposure, as didn't the '07' have some appearances/interviews lined up? So that is where some of us is going with what we're expressing about Jesse.

Sometimes you have to crawl before you walk, especially when your name is basically gone from the limelight you had over 20 years ago as 'recognizable' and you state publically, that you want to achieve that 'standout' status as a musican like 'Sly Stone' had. Well, then sometimes to do that, you have to crawl twice as much tan you did years ago and leave the ego on the back burner, to walk up to the 'top' step of the ladder you're trying to climb. Nothing wrong with that..it's called 'patience and 'perseverance'. How do you think Sly,(when he was on top), and Santana, Bruce and Prince achieved their 'standout' and legendary statuses? Just sayin'.

Right, I think it bad karma that you go thru recording an album with guys(the original Time) and then leave them high and dry like that.

This album was not going to stop him from still doing a Jesse Johnson album. Like you said it could have gotten him back in the spotlight in a bigger way.

Just like when the origina Time performed at the music awards a year ago, everyone took notice

All this time you do hardly anything, and as soon as the Time records an album and inspires your creative streak you dump them. Wrong Jesse Wrong

Bad karma and very wrong...

It's not like he walked into an unfamiliar situation...there were no suprises here. He should never have made a commitment he didn't intend to keep. On his fb page he posted a long speech about being a loner, yadda, yadda...at 50+ years old did he not know that about himself before he agreed to participate in the O7 reunion???

This release could have helped to re-introduce him and actually enhance his solo efforts if he could manage to get out of his own way.

Now the rest of the fellas, the record label, the fans, etc. are kinda left hanging. I hope things work out with or without him because Condensate is a great cd.

Prince would never have someone in the band that can outplay him. It would be great but it will bever happen