umanbing said:

For example, Prince cancelled a show in Brazil 5 days before the event, he's well-known for being "misquoted", and he seems to use Docfunkenberry to clear things up for him. Many times his fans have wasted money, time, and been very inconviencedl If Prince was more considerate of them I think he would handle things better than he has when dealing w/ his fans on the internet.

Militant said:

It does seem odd to me that Prince defers control of his publicity to Dr.Funkenberry. (I wonder if maybe he part set this up or pays him to promote him).

You would think a control freak like him would want to have total control of the PR and news items about him...ie via his own website...

TheFreakerFantastic said:

umanbing said:

For example, Prince cancelled a show in Brazil 5 days before the event, he's well-known for being "misquoted", and he seems to use Docfunkenberry to clear things up for him. Many times his fans have wasted money, time, and been very inconviencedl If Prince was more considerate of them I think he would handle things better than he has when dealing w/ his fans on the internet.

It does seem odd to me that Prince defers control of his publicity to Dr.Funkenberry. (I wonder if maybe he part set this up or pays him to promote him).

You would think a control freak like him would want to have total control of the PR and news items about him...ie via his own website...

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Prince doesn't pay the Doc, not at all.

Prince gives the Doc exclusive information (as do other celebrities) which brings hits and credibility to the Doc's blog, and allows Prince (and other celebs) to get their information out.

It's a mutually respectful relationship, so in that sense, Prince does have control, because the Doc has no reason to want to damage that relationship.

All celebrity blogs work this way.

Except maybe TMZ who have infinite bankrolling from their owner, Time Warner, to simply get as many hits and ad revenue as they can, regardless of who they piss off in the process.

[Edited 12/5/11 14:21pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

umanbing said:

For example, Prince cancelled a show in Brazil 5 days before the event, he's well-known for being "misquoted", and he seems to use Docfunkenberry to clear things up for him. Many times his fans have wasted money, time, and been very inconviencedl If Prince was more considerate of them I think he would handle things better than he has when dealing w/ his fans on the internet.

It does seem odd to me that Prince defers control of his publicity to Dr.Funkenberry. (I wonder if maybe he part set this up or pays him to promote him).

You would think a control freak like him would want to have total control of the PR and news items about him...ie via his own website...

EXACTLY.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

Do you know if the person hired to run the site was one of Prince's staff members being bribed by Bria? According to Reply #20 on http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=1 . Interesting how 9037355 is the same woman on Andy's FB page.

I do know. And the answer is no, he had nothing to do with Bria.

It's not about interviewing people. Like I said - Prince isn't always the easiest person to deal with and most people of his ilk are the same. Some people find ways to deal with it. Others do not. That's life.

Kiran isn't Prince's personal assistant, she represents him in a management capacity.

:edited: glitches

[Edited 12/5/11 14:34pm]

umanbing said:

Militant said:

I do know. And the answer is no, he had nothing to do with Bria.

She doesn't do the best job imho.

No? Why do you feel that way?

umanbing said:

Militant said:

I do know. And the answer is no, he had nothing to do with Bria.

Militant, she hasn't been doing the best job imho.

[Edited 12/5/11 14:32pm]

umanbing said:

Militant said:

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

Do you know if the person hired to run the site was one of Prince's staff members being bribed by Bria? According to Reply #20 on http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=1 . Interesting how 9037355 is the same woman on Andy's FB page.

No, you're not a fanatic. Not at all.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

She doesn't do the best job imho.

No? Why do you feel that way?

Bcuz of the way he has handled his business, finances, and personal life in the public these past few years. It could all be his fault and not hers of course.

umanbing said:

Militant said:

No? Why do you feel that way?

Bcuz of the way he has handled his business, finances, and personal life in the public these past few years. It could all be his fault and not hers of course.

I see nothing flagrantly wrong with how he has handled his personal life and I feel it's inappropriate to say otherwise because it's nobody elses business. And how would that have anything to do with Kiran anyway?

What do you feel is wrong with how he has handled his business?

The finances thing is a tired discussion at this point if you're talking about the Dublin and Brazil gigs and the perfume thing. Hasn't that all been sorted out now anyway? Mistakes were made, point fingers at whoever you want if you care that much and move on. Prince has.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

Bcuz of the way he has handled his business, finances, and personal life in the public these past few years. It could all be his fault and not hers of course.

I see nothing flagrantly wrong with how he has handled his personal life and I feel it's inappropriate to say otherwise because it's nobody elses business. And how would that have anything to do with Kiran anyway?

What do you feel is wrong with how he has handled his business?

The finances thing is a tired discussion at this point if you're talking about the Dublin and Brazil gigs and the perfume thing. Hasn't that all been sorted out now anyway? Mistakes were made, point fingers at whoever you want if you care that much and move on. Prince has.

I don't care to elaborate. It looks like I have the answer to all of my original questions regarding Prince and his fanatics.

umanbing said:

I don't care to elaborate. It looks like I have the answer to all of my original questions regarding Prince and his fanatics.

You know, when you post random-ass opinions and then don't explain why you feel the way you feel, it just makes you look ridiculous to the rest of us.

And yes, you have your answer. The answer is that no, Prince's lack of a website/social networks has absolutely nothing to do with fanatical fand and that everything you wrote in your original post was completely baseless.

Have a nice day.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

I don't care to elaborate. It looks like I have the answer to all of my original questions regarding Prince and his fanatics.

You know, when you post random-ass opinions and then don't explain why you feel the way you feel, it just makes you look ridiculous to the rest of us.

And yes, you have your answer. The answer is that no, Prince's lack of a website/social networks has absolutely nothing to do with fanatical fand and that everything you wrote in your original post was completely baseless.

Have a nice day.

Why should I care how I look to the rest of you? There is nothing wrong w/ being inquisitive and intelligent.

I feel the way I feel bcuz of all the things I've read on this site and other sites regarding Prince, his "fams", as they are called, and some of the fanatics I feel he has somewhat cultivated.

[Edited 12/5/11 15:23pm]

umanbing said:

Militant said:

You know, when you post random-ass opinions and then don't explain why you feel the way you feel, it just makes you look ridiculous to the rest of us.

And yes, you have your answer. The answer is that no, Prince's lack of a website/social networks has absolutely nothing to do with fanatical fand and that everything you wrote in your original post was completely baseless.

Have a nice day.

Why should I care how I look to the rest of you? There is nothing wrong w/ being inquisitive and intelligent.

I feel the way I feel bcuz of all the things I've read on this site and other sites regarding Prince, his "fams", as they are called, and some of the fanatics I feel he has somewhat cultivated.

Because you want to be taken seriously in this discussion and others, right?

Well, here's a tip. When you post an opinion without explaining why when asked, nobody will take you seriously. That's how debates tend to work.

"Things you've read on this site" - such as?

How do you expect do have an intelligent debate when you refuse to explain what you mean and tell us about "things you've read" without saying what they are?

You started the thread by saying:

I'd like to discuss.

And when pressed on why you feel the way you do, you say:

I don't care to elaborate.

Don't you see anything wrong with that? How do you expect to have a discussion if you do not wish to discuss something?

The irony of you talking about sycophantic "fams" and then getting defensive when people question what you say rather than co-signing your unexplained point of view has apparently been lost on you.

[Edited 12/5/11 15:48pm]

You've been a orger longer than me and I'm sure you've read more about Prince, his personal life, the way he handles his business, and all the foolery. You've also participated in far more debates about Prince than I ever have. You asking me to elaborate on why I hold the opinions I hold regarding Prince makes you look ridiculous to me but I thank you for participating in the discussion.

Fanatics are the result of immaturity, sexual misunderstandings, hypnosis, and the need to be heard but not seen.

While Prince, and a host of other popular and seemingly unattainable celebs, have suffered fanatics he himself is not one. He just worships the pretty pussy and that's totally normal.

umanbing said:

You've been a orger longer than me and I'm sure you've read more about Prince, his personal life, the way he handles his business, and all the foolery. You've also participated in far more debates about Prince than I ever have. You asking me to elaborate on why I hold the opinions I hold regarding Prince makes you look ridiculous to me but I thank you for participating in the discussion.

Sorry, your jedi mind reversal trick isn't going to work on me.

I don't look ridiculous because I'm not the one that offered an opinion and then refused to share why I held that opinion.

I asked you to elaborate because I truly see nothing wrong with how he's handled his business. He's performing a sell-out tour right now, right off the heels of many other sell out tours across different countries and continents. His last album release reached millions upon millions of people far beyond his core fanbase.

So TWO gigs (of dozens, probably close to a hundred) got canceled in the last few years. Newsflash - happens all the time to many artists.

YOU are the one that offered that there is something wrong with how he handled his business. I ask why, you refuse to answer. Maybe you just don't have an answer and are too stubborn to admit when you are wrong?

umanbing said:

I know Prince always had fanatics and stalkers but in the age of internet and social networking is Prince making it easier for his fanatics to take stalking to new levels? Does his mysterious persona in this day enable all of his stalking fanatics? Does his PR tricks encourage his stalkers to run amuck on the internet? Is Prince doing a disservice to his fans by not having his own official FB or twitter page? Has he been a part of the problem?

No, he's doing them a huge favor. Now people don't get fucked over.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

You've been a orger longer than me and I'm sure you've read more about Prince, his personal life, the way he handles his business, and all the foolery. You've also participated in far more debates about Prince than I ever have. You asking me to elaborate on why I hold the opinions I hold regarding Prince makes you look ridiculous to me but I thank you for participating in the discussion.

Sorry, your jedi mind reversal trick isn't going to work on me.

I don't look ridiculous because I'm not the one that offered an opinion and then refused to share why I held that opinion.

I asked you to elaborate because I truly see nothing wrong with how he's handled his business. He's performing a sell-out tour right now, right off the heels of many other sell out tours across different countries and continents. His last album release reached millions upon millions of people far beyond his core fanbase.

So TWO gigs (of dozens, probably close to a hundred) got canceled in the last few years. Newsflash - happens all the time to many artists.

YOU are the one that offered that there is something wrong with how he handled his business. I ask why, you refuse to answer. Maybe you just don't have an answer and are too stubborn to admit when you are wrong?

No, it's not at all what you're thinking. I think it's wrong for Prince to be inconsiderate and manipulative w/ his fans. I could be wrong and maybe this isn't what he does but it looks this way.

I provided a link to show you how out of control some of his fanatics have been. No one in his camp did anything to stop the girl or to deny her crazy claims. In fact, it almost seems like she was rewarded after I saw her dancing on stage w/ Prince a few months later. Instead of giving you the many reasons why I think he handles his business wrong, I'll provide you w/ another link showing why I don't think he handles his business right.

http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=1

I'm giving you threads that clearly show what I'm trying to discuss on my thread. Deactivated cheerleaders and weirdos posting like they can "speak" for Prince makes me wonder. The thread was started back on July 1 soon after Andy joined his band. It looks like the start of his Andy PR trick. It makes me wonder if Prince was actually coming on the org to do promotion for his newest guitar player OR was DennisMark one of Prince's cultivated fanatics? What does it look like to you?

If it wasn't Prince I bet he appreciates fans like DennisMark and PenelopePaige. His actions only 5 months later makes it seem like he is either catering to these type of fans or controlling them.

I doubt him or his people missed seeing that thread back in July 2011 and reply #124 by another deactivated orger seems like it came from someone who knows Prince's PR tricks well. I think the orger made an intelligent observation regarding how Prince is looking to some of us.

HotGritz said:

Fanatics are the result of immaturity, sexual misunderstandings, hypnosis, and the need to be heard but not seen.

While Prince, and a host of other popular and seemingly unattainable celebs, have suffered fanatics he himself is not one. He just worships the pretty pussy and that's totally normal.

No

I meant I didn't want to elaborate on business matters regarding his finances, lawsuits, and things like him releasing a cd w/ a protegee only 2 yrs ago but never having her perform live. I only wondered if he deliberately cultivates fanatics bcuz I've seen w/ my own eyes the abnormal behavior that goes on w/ Prince fams and fanatics over the internet. I think in the long term it will be bad business for Prince if he doesn't get an official website, FB fan page, and/or twitter page.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

And when pressed on why you feel the way you do, you say:

I don't care to elaborate.

Don't you see anything wrong with that? How do you expect to have a discussion if you do not wish to discuss something?

The irony of you talking about sycophantic "fams" and then getting defensive when people question what you say rather than co-signing your unexplained point of view has apparently been lost on you.

[Edited 12/5/11 15:48pm]

Militant said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

It does seem odd to me that Prince defers control of his publicity to Dr.Funkenberry. (I wonder if maybe he part set this up or pays him to promote him).

You would think a control freak like him would want to have total control of the PR and news items about him...ie via his own website...

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Prince doesn't pay the Doc, not at all.

Prince gives the Doc exclusive information (as do other celebrities) which brings hits and credibility to the Doc's blog, and allows Prince (and other celebs) to get their information out.

It's a mutually respectful relationship, so in that sense, Prince does have control, because the Doc has no reason to want to damage that relationship.

All celebrity blogs work this way.

Except maybe TMZ who have infinite bankrolling from their owner, Time Warner, to simply get as many hits and ad revenue as they can, regardless of who they piss off in the process.

[Edited 12/5/11 14:21pm]

Hi,

What i meant was, it looks to me as if Dr. Funkenberry was initially set up to promote Prince (via the guise of a celebrity blog) as when it first started it seemed to be mostly Prince news...i know now he does other celebrities too, but it surprises me how much of his news is Prince based when he is never really heard of in the public eye.

I do suspect some money changes hands so that Dr. FB promotes Prince with news....as a lot of it is rather trivial, ie info for aftershows etc.

I think he uses Dr. Funkenberry as his tool to communicate with the public. However, I don't understand why he doesn't just set up his own news/web site, then there's no chance of misinformation etc and it means people can't leave (negative) comments like they can on Dr. FB. He would have more control.....it just surprises me as he seems to like to have control and deferring to Dr. FB doesn't make sense to me....so I think it may be a PR type relationship to make his presence known to the general public...

[Edited 12/6/11 1:43am]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Militant said:

I don't understand what you're trying to say. Prince doesn't pay the Doc, not at all.

Prince gives the Doc exclusive information (as do other celebrities) which brings hits and credibility to the Doc's blog, and allows Prince (and other celebs) to get their information out.

It's a mutually respectful relationship, so in that sense, Prince does have control, because the Doc has no reason to want to damage that relationship.

All celebrity blogs work this way.

Except maybe TMZ who have infinite bankrolling from their owner, Time Warner, to simply get as many hits and ad revenue as they can, regardless of who they piss off in the process.

[Edited 12/5/11 14:21pm]

Hi,

What i meant was, it looks to me as if Dr. Funkenberry was initially set up to promote Prince (via the guise of a celebrity blog) as when it first started it seemed to be mostly Prince news...i know now he does other celebrities too, but it surprises me how much of his news is Prince based when he is never really heard of in the public eye.

I do suspect some money changes hands so that Dr. FB promotes Prince with news....as a lot of it is rather trivial, ie info for aftershows etc.

I think he uses Dr. Funkenberry as his tool to communicate with the public. However, I don't understand why he doesn't just set up his own news/web site, then there's no chance of misinformation etc and it means people can't leave (negative) comments like they can on Dr. FB. He would have more control.....it just surprises me as he seems to like to have control and deferring to Dr. FB doesn't make sense to me....so I think it may be a PR type relationship to make his presence known to the general public...

[Edited 12/6/11 1:43am]

You can suspect all you want, but I know that money doesn't change hands directly. Like most sites, there are several adverts on the good doctor's blog. Those generate ad revenue. Ad revenue comes from clicks. This is how it works:

More exclusive news = more hits = more clicks on ads = more ad revenue.

Prince isn't such a control freak that he would want to delete all negative comments on a third party blog. He has a life, you know. A rather busy one. His relationship with the doctor is a simple and effective one. It would cost more money, time and effort to do these things himself.

^ You don't 'know' that at all. Stop trying to pretend you know more about the inner workings of Prince than you do, you're as blind to it as the rest of us.

I'm just speculating too but I have my suspicions as not many other celebrity blogs cover Prince in such detail if at all.

Prince IS well known to be a control freak, you only need to read a 2 bit biography on him to see that, think about when he threatened to sue this site, and Housequake and tried to stop any clips of himself on youtube filmed by anyone else. Also rememeber the NPGMC and how negative opinions got deleted and how it strangely got closed as soon as fans started gossiping about him and Mani's divorce...and made negative comments after he asked for feedback on Feel Better, Feel Good, Feel Wonderful (wrongly in my opinion, it was a cool song).

I doubt it was just due to the copyright claim by Nature Publishing Group...

[Edited 12/6/11 8:31am]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ You don't 'know' that at all. Stop trying to pretend you know more about the inner workings of Prince than you do, you're as blind to it as the rest of us.

I have no reason to pretend. I talk to J all the time. Do you?

[Edited 12/6/11 10:55am]

umanbing said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Hi,

What i meant was, it looks to me as if Dr. Funkenberry was initially set up to promote Prince (via the guise of a celebrity blog) as when it first started it seemed to be mostly Prince news...i know now he does other celebrities too, but it surprises me how much of his news is Prince based when he is never really heard of in the public eye.

I do suspect some money changes hands so that Dr. FB promotes Prince with news....as a lot of it is rather trivial, ie info for aftershows etc.

I think he uses Dr. Funkenberry as his tool to communicate with the public. However, I don't understand why he doesn't just set up his own news/web site, then there's no chance of misinformation etc and it means people can't leave (negative) comments like they can on Dr. FB. He would have more control.....it just surprises me as he seems to like to have control and deferring to Dr. FB doesn't make sense to me....so I think it may be a PR type relationship to make his presence known to the general public...

[Edited 12/6/11 1:43am]

This is the best site to come to if you want Prince info. I think it's only a "mutually respectful" relationship between Docfunkberry and Prince bcuz Prince can call the shots. I think the doc is another minion being controlled by Prince. Here's the reason I have this opinion: Back in Aug I posted a comment on Doc's site. I made a comment about Prince and Andy under one of the stories. It may have been harsh but it was the truth. Soon after, the doc posted a story about the WWE's but the rest of the page was cut off. For weeks you couldn't go back to any of the Older Entries. I clicked on Feedback to let him know there was a glitch on his site. He never fixed it. As a matter of fact, it still hasn't been fixed. You cannot go back to those Prince stories previously posted. You can only read them if you search to pull them up. I stopped visiting doc's site bcuz I suspected he was just another Prince fanatic being controlled by Prince. I suspect Prince cultivates his fanatics today more than ever. I think you must be a minion to work w/ Prince. Maybe the guy hired to run his website didn't want to be another one of his minions and this is the reason "he didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner" as Militant said. [Edited 12/6/11 8:10am]

So the doctor is a "minion" because he didn't fix a glitch on his site. You're kidding, right?

Militant said:

Militant said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ You don't 'know' that at all. Stop trying to pretend you know more about the inner workings of Prince than you do, you're as blind to it as the rest of us.

I have no reason to pretend. I talk to J all the time. Do you?

[Edited 12/6/11 10:55am]

Yeah, yeah, you remind me of those Diana fanatics who claimed she use to call them up to confide in them!

Who's J anyway and what would he be doing talking to a student/pop star wannabee like you?!

Come on, have a bit more humility, you're no big shot..

[Edited 12/6/11 13:53pm]