If Prince had an official Twitter page, FB account, or a simple website it would help fans who may not be familiar w/ Prince fanatics on the internet stalking other Prince fans and his associates. Some of us know about Prince fanatics here on the org and on other sites. Many of us, myself included like to think Prince is on the internet communicating w/ fans bcuz he can remain anonymous and it would be cool if he was an orger but there's no way for us to know for certain. "Org predators" as someone called them can easily deceive naive fans into believing Prince has taken an interest in them by saying he saw their picture or read something they posted on this site or another site. If the innocent fan doesn't know much about Prince's personal life or if they aren't aware of these predators I can see how they could easily be tricked into believing they're chatting w/ Prince or one of his associates.

I can't be the only one wondering if Prince is using his mystique and his personal life to manipulate his fans. I've noticed Prince singing songs w/ similar themes on his last three cds. In several songs he's singing about a woman he wants to decide if she's going to be w/ him. His latest remakes like You Will Be With Me and Extralovable are mostly about Prince anticipating being w/ this woman who he wants to make up her mind and stops making him wait. The entire Lotusflower project was strange and his current behavior is even stranger. I think he's going way overboard promoting Andy and the continuation of crazy posts by Love Poetess on Andy's FB page cause me to think it's possible Prince has deliberately cultivated fanatics for inspiration and promotion.

We know there are fans trying to live vicariously through Prince's life but I've noticed the org predators are always the first ones wanting to know his current whereabouts or the lyrics to any new song he sings in concert. When they ask they quickly receive the info on the org. When Prince is seen w/ a woman the same fans become connoisseurs on his personal life and cheerleaders for the the woman currently by his side. I find it hard to believe Prince and his associates don't know what's been going on. Earlier this year Love Poetess, was orger 9037355 (the numbers represent the name POETESS), and she claimed Bria was paid to pretend she was Prince's girlfriend. This same woman is now on FB claiming she was engaged to Prince. I don't believe but for her to make such a claim she clearly believes she was engaged to Prince. I'd find it hard to believe Prince and his team weren't aware of her, especially when she's been on stage dancing and standing close to Prince at the festival concert a few months ago. It's scary to think Prince and his people don't know about her bcuz if they don't I recommend Prince gets a better security team since Love Poetess has been posting crazy and disrespectful comments on this site about Bria and other people for a couple of years. Here's an old thread she was on and it's crazy. http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=1

Seeing how Prince played it while promoting Bria, Misty, and now Andy I have to wonder if he's been following the madness and cultivating his fanatics through his song lyrics, cd pictures, videos, and his fans.

The pros of having an official FB or twitter page outweigh the cons for an artist like Prince. His personal life doesn't matter to many fans but it does matter to many of them. It matters to me bcuz I think his personal life is negatively effecting innocent people who only care about hearing new music from their favorite artist and seeing him in concert but Prince seems like he really wants all of his fans (and Andy's new fans) to care about his personal life.

Did Prince deliberately cultivate fanatics by being mysterious and nonexistent on the internet, making it easy for fanatics to go about deceiving his innocent fans as he continues to Wash, Rinse, Repeat?

I'd like to discuss.

I think in a way he has done this.

Prince had fanatics long before the web and social networks were invented.

Militant said:

Prince had fanatics long before the web and social networks were invented.

Exactly.

EVERY artist has them... sadly.

umanbing said:

If Prince had an official Twitter page, FB account, or a simple website it would help fans who may not be familiar w/ Prince fanatics on the internet stalking other Prince fans and his associates. Some of us know about Prince fanatics here on the org and on other sites. Many of us, myself included like to think Prince is on the internet communicating w/ fans bcuz he can remain anonymous and it would be cool if he was an orger but there's no way for us to know for certain. "Org predators" as someone called them can easily deceive naive fans into believing Prince has taken an interest in them by saying he saw their picture or read something they posted on this site or another site. If the innocent fan doesn't know much about Prince's personal life or if they aren't aware of these predators I can see how they could easily be tricked into believing they're chatting w/ Prince or one of his associates.

I can't be the only one wondering if Prince is using his mystique and his personal life to manipulate his fans. I've noticed Prince singing songs w/ similar themes on his last three cds. In several songs he's singing about a woman he wants to decide if she's going to be w/ him. His latest remakes like You Will Be With Me and Extralovable are mostly about Prince anticipating being w/ this woman who he wants to make up her mind and stops making him wait. The entire Lotusflower project was strange and his current behavior is even stranger. I think he's going way overboard promoting Andy and the continuation of crazy posts by Love Poetess on Andy's FB page cause me to think it's possible Prince has deliberately cultivated fanatics for inspiration and promotion.

We know there are fans trying to live vicariously through Prince's life but I've noticed the org predators are always the first ones wanting to know his current whereabouts or the lyrics to any new song he sings in concert. When they ask they quickly receive the info on the org. When Prince is seen w/ a woman the same fans become connoisseurs on his personal life and cheerleaders for the the woman currently by his side. I find it hard to believe Prince and his associates don't know what's been going on. Earlier this year Love Poetess, was orger 9037355 (the numbers represent the name POETESS), and she claimed Bria was paid to pretend she was Prince's girlfriend. This same woman is now on FB claiming she was engaged to Prince. I don't believe but for her to make such a claim she clearly believes she was engaged to Prince. I'd find it hard to believe Prince and his team weren't aware of her, especially when she's been on stage dancing and standing close to Prince at the festival concert a few months ago. It's scary to think Prince and his people don't know about her bcuz if they don't I recommend Prince gets a better security team since Love Poetess has been posting crazy and disrespectful comments on this site about Bria and other people for a couple of years. Here's an old thread she was on and it's crazy. http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=1

Seeing how Prince played it while promoting Bria, Misty, and now Andy I have to wonder if he's been following the madness and cultivating his fanatics through his song lyrics, cd pictures, videos, and his fans.

The pros of having an official FB or twitter page outweigh the cons for an artist like Prince. His personal life doesn't matter to many fans but it does matter to many of them. It matters to me bcuz I think his personal life is negatively effecting innocent people who only care about hearing new music from their favorite artist and seeing him in concert but Prince seems like he really wants all of his fans (and Andy's new fans) to care about his personal life.

Did Prince deliberately cultivate fanatics by being mysterious and nonexistent on the internet, making it easy for fanatics to go about deceiving his innocent fans as he continues to Wash, Rinse, Repeat?

I'd like to discuss.

You're sure you're not one these fanatics yourself? Your posting history shows you spending a whole lot of time in threads about Andy Allo.

umanbing said:

Is Prince doing a disservice to his fans by not having his own official FB or twitter page?

Not really. If he did have one, we'd get exactly the same news as we get on Dr. Funkenberry.

The last time we had a site, we still got more news via Dr. Funkenberry than there was on the site.

I don't think he deliberately cultivates it but his music and image are very personality based and I think this attracts fanatics...

He has in the past likened himself to God and the pharoahs (listen to Undisputed) and this arrogance does not help.

However, he has done much in recent years to dispel that and has appeared in a more humble way on TV...etc... and told people to worship God not him.

TwiliteKid said:

umanbing said:

If Prince had an official Twitter page, FB account, or a simple website it would help fans who may not be familiar w/ Prince fanatics on the internet stalking other Prince fans and his associates. Some of us know about Prince fanatics here on the org and on other sites. Many of us, myself included like to think Prince is on the internet communicating w/ fans bcuz he can remain anonymous and it would be cool if he was an orger but there's no way for us to know for certain. "Org predators" as someone called them can easily deceive naive fans into believing Prince has taken an interest in them by saying he saw their picture or read something they posted on this site or another site. If the innocent fan doesn't know much about Prince's personal life or if they aren't aware of these predators I can see how they could easily be tricked into believing they're chatting w/ Prince or one of his associates.

I can't be the only one wondering if Prince is using his mystique and his personal life to manipulate his fans. I've noticed Prince singing songs w/ similar themes on his last three cds. In several songs he's singing about a woman he wants to decide if she's going to be w/ him. His latest remakes like You Will Be With Me and Extralovable are mostly about Prince anticipating being w/ this woman who he wants to make up her mind and stops making him wait. The entire Lotusflower project was strange and his current behavior is even stranger. I think he's going way overboard promoting Andy and the continuation of crazy posts by Love Poetess on Andy's FB page cause me to think it's possible Prince has deliberately cultivated fanatics for inspiration and promotion.

We know there are fans trying to live vicariously through Prince's life but I've noticed the org predators are always the first ones wanting to know his current whereabouts or the lyrics to any new song he sings in concert. When they ask they quickly receive the info on the org. When Prince is seen w/ a woman the same fans become connoisseurs on his personal life and cheerleaders for the the woman currently by his side. I find it hard to believe Prince and his associates don't know what's been going on. Earlier this year Love Poetess, was orger 9037355 (the numbers represent the name POETESS), and she claimed Bria was paid to pretend she was Prince's girlfriend. This same woman is now on FB claiming she was engaged to Prince. I don't believe but for her to make such a claim she clearly believes she was engaged to Prince. I'd find it hard to believe Prince and his team weren't aware of her, especially when she's been on stage dancing and standing close to Prince at the festival concert a few months ago. It's scary to think Prince and his people don't know about her bcuz if they don't I recommend Prince gets a better security team since Love Poetess has been posting crazy and disrespectful comments on this site about Bria and other people for a couple of years. Here's an old thread she was on and it's crazy. http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=1

Seeing how Prince played it while promoting Bria, Misty, and now Andy I have to wonder if he's been following the madness and cultivating his fanatics through his song lyrics, cd pictures, videos, and his fans.

The pros of having an official FB or twitter page outweigh the cons for an artist like Prince. His personal life doesn't matter to many fans but it does matter to many of them. It matters to me bcuz I think his personal life is negatively effecting innocent people who only care about hearing new music from their favorite artist and seeing him in concert but Prince seems like he really wants all of his fans (and Andy's new fans) to care about his personal life.

Did Prince deliberately cultivate fanatics by being mysterious and nonexistent on the internet, making it easy for fanatics to go about deceiving his innocent fans as he continues to Wash, Rinse, Repeat?

I'd like to discuss.

You're sure you're not one these fanatics yourself? Your posting history shows you spending a whole lot of time in threads about Andy Allo.

Any member of this site knows the Andy threads are currently the hottest threads all bcuz Prince appears to be Wash, Rinse, and Repeating w/ PR tricks and seemingly deliberately trying hard very hard to make people talk about Andy and his personal life.

I'm contributing a thought-provoking thread w/ more substance than some of these threads I don't even bother posting in. I visit the org daily. I'm capable of contributing a thread that requires deep thought and intelligent discussion. You asked me a valid question. No, I'm not one of the fanatics. Do you think you are?

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I don't think he deliberately cultivates it but his music and image are very personality based and I think this attracts fanatics...

He has in the past likened himself to God and the pharoahs (listen to Undisputed) and this arrogance does not help.

However, he has done much in recent years to dispel that and has appeared in a more humble way on TV...etc... and told people to worship God not him.

I somewhat agree w/ you on this but doesn't it now look as if Prince is worshipping Andy? It seems like he wants his fans to worship Andy. Don't you think he's deliberately trying to expose, worship, or whatever you call it, Prince is glorifying Andy. The number of views on the Andy threads shows it as hot topic and looking at Prince's history I think he knows exactly how to manipulate some of his fans.

^ I don't think he worships her, he only worships himself and God, she is just a diverting bit of fun, as are most of his other side projects...he may also be trying to get the fans onto her to take the spotlight off him

(in the same way MJ used Bubbles the chimp to deflect attention away from himself!). More likely though he's just trying to help her career.

[Edited 12/5/11 8:56am]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ I don't think he worships her, he only worships himself and God, she is just a diverting bit of fun, as are most of his other side projects...he may also be trying to get the fans onto her to take the spotlight off him

(in the same way MJ used Bubbles the chimp to deflect attention away from himself!). More likely though he's just trying to help her career.

[Edited 12/5/11 8:56am]

You're probably right. You're wrong for bringing up MJ and Bubbles.

^ LOL, couldn't resist!! I just saw a docu about Jacko and it said he used Bubbles to deflect the fans' attention...

Well my eyes really have been opened these past couple of days in2 the depth & variety of Prince fans. It left me thinking about a question that I hope someone could answer for me. Is there a hierarchy amongst Prince fans? Do certain fans look down on others, ie are those of us who post on the org considered to be in the slag heap, the dross? Lol, I know I digress from the topic a little but what d'ya think?

Militant said:

umanbing said:

Is Prince doing a disservice to his fans by not having his own official FB or twitter page?

Not really. If he did have one, we'd get exactly the same news as we get on Dr. Funkenberry.

The last time we had a site, we still got more news via Dr. Funkenberry than there was on the site.

He could have someone else run it for him, which it seems like he's doing anyway when Andy posts things him and her discuss on her FB page. If Prince had his own official and verified twitter or FB fan page it would help eliminate the org predators who can easily manipulate innocent Prince fans by claiming they are family and/or represent Prince. If Prince had an official and verified FB or twitter page people would be less likely to be easily fooled.

A girl is now on Andy's FB page claiming she was engaged to Prince and it's happening during a time Prince is touring and putting his personal life w/ his new guitar player out there for public consumption. I don't think we should just dismiss this. I wonder if Prince deliberately cultivate or assisted w/ cultivating a fanatic like Love Poetess. Why would one of Prince's fans publicly declare on FB that she was engaged to him since 2009, especially if it's not true?

SometimesIwonder said:

Well my eyes really have been opened these past couple of days in2 the depth & variety of Prince fans. It left me thinking about a question that I hope someone could answer for me. Is there a hierarchy amongst Prince fans? Do certain fans look down on others, ie are those of us who post on the org considered to be in the slag heap, the dross? Lol, I know I digress from the topic a little but what d'ya think?

It seems that way here on the org. I think Prince is aware of all the different types, especially here on the org. This is the place where the majority of his hardcore fans and enthusiast flock. If I know which type of fans certain org members appear to be I'm sure Prince and his people do as well. You can always predict what type of reply certain fans here will make. It's interesting. There's diverse group of Prince fans here and so much more to discuss other than Prince.

TheFreakerFantastic said:

^ LOL, couldn't resist!! I just saw a docu about Jacko and it said he used Bubbles to deflect the fans' attention...

Yesterday I watched an interesting hour long BBC documentary about Prince. The docu and the posts by Love Poetess made me start this thread which is my first thread. It's not doing too bad. It has over 600 views. That's nothing compared to the Andy threads.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

Is Prince doing a disservice to his fans by not having his own official FB or twitter page?

Not really. If he did have one, we'd get exactly the same news as we get on Dr. Funkenberry.

The last time we had a site, we still got more news via Dr. Funkenberry than there was on the site.

I wonder why?

umanbing said:

Militant said:

Not really. If he did have one, we'd get exactly the same news as we get on Dr. Funkenberry.

The last time we had a site, we still got more news via Dr. Funkenberry than there was on the site.

I wonder why?

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

I wonder why?

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

Sorry but

It' so easy to always blame others. How come Prince never ever managed to have a website that offered good information, good discussions and kept the promises it had made in the beginning?

If I have a website I am the one responsible for the people I hire and ultimately for their work too. Prince has the means to hire the best people in the world, if he isn't willing to pay them enough money or respect them the right way or for whatever reason cannot find anybody to do that job in a proper way that's his own fault and nobody else's.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

I wonder why?

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

Really? I missed it. What did he say?

Serious said:

Militant said:

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

Sorry but

It' so easy to always blame others. How come Prince never ever managed to have a website that offered good information, good discussions and kept the promises it had made in the beginning?

If I have a website I am the one responsible for the people I hire and ultimately for their work too. Prince has the means to hire the best people in the world, if he isn't willing to pay them enough money or respect them the right way or for whatever reason cannot find anybody to do that job in a proper way that's his own fault and nobody else's.

This is what I'd like to know. Why is it such a problem for Prince? I think Prince takes advantage of being a celebrity who does NOT have an official website, FB profile or verified twitter account. Why does he rely on Docfunberry so much? I think he could be doing it all for persona, reputation, and promotion. His behavior and chosen ways of dealing w/ his fans does a disservice to them. I think it even puts some of them in harms way.

Serious said:

Militant said:

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

Sorry but

It' so easy to always blame others. How come Prince never ever managed to have a website that offered good information, good discussions and kept the promises it had made in the beginning?

If I have a website I am the one responsible for the people I hire and ultimately for their work too. Prince has the means to hire the best people in the world, if he isn't willing to pay them enough money or respect them the right way or for whatever reason cannot find anybody to do that job in a proper way that's his own fault and nobody else's.

No, sorry, I don't agree. Prince is a unique individual with unique character traits and the only people who last in his company are the people that can adapt to them. Sam Jennings did that just fine and the NPGMC functioned well throughout it's existence.

Lotus guy couldn't and trashed his employer in the papers afterwards. Everyone knows Prince can be difficult to deal with. Most geniuses are. Ask anyone who ever worked with Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or countless other rock stars of Prince's stature. Either adapt to the situation you're in or split.

I'm not sure who ran 3121.com (edit - it was also sam jennings) but that was also a good site which served it's purpose throughout the 3121 era, Vegas and London runs.

So I don't know where this "never ever" you speak of comes from.

To say Prince "takes advantage" of not having an official website is utterly ludicrous. And he doesn't "rely" on Funkenberry either. The news would get out one way or another. Most of his band members are active on Facebook and/or Twitter. He has management. He has people that represent him for tours like Live Nation who promote them properly. Labels will get the word out if he decides to release an album with one of them.

And I don't agree that Prince not having a site or official social networks does a disservice to fans. If that's your argument - explain EXACTLY how that's the case.

[Edited 12/5/11 13:00pm]

Militant said:

umanbing said:

I wonder why?

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

Do you know if the person hired to run the site was one of Prince's staff members being bribed by Bria? According to Reply #20 on http://prince.org/msg/5/3...?&pg=1 . Interesting how 9037355 is the same woman on Andy's FB page.

For example, Prince cancelled a show in Brazil 5 days before the event, he's well-known for being "misquoted", and he seems to use Docfunkenberry to clear things up for him. Many times his fans have wasted money, time, and been very inconviencedl If Prince was more considerate of them I think he would handle things better than he has when dealing w/ his fans on the internet.

Militant said:

Serious said:

No, sorry, I don't agree. Prince is a unique individual with unique character traits and the only people who last in his company are the people that can adapt to them. Sam Jennings did that just fine and the NPGMC functioned well throughout it's existence.

Lotus guy couldn't and trashed his employer in the papers afterwards. Everyone knows Prince can be difficult to deal with. Most geniuses are. Ask anyone who ever worked with Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or countless other rock stars of Prince's stature. Either adapt to the situation you're in or split.

I'm not sure who ran 3121.com (edit - it was also sam jennings) but that was also a good site which served it's purpose throughout the 3121 era, Vegas and London runs.

So I don't know where this "never ever" you speak of comes from.

umanbing said:

This is what I'd like to know. Why is it such a problem for Prince? I think Prince takes advantage of being a celebrity who does NOT have an official website, FB profile or verified twitter account. Why does he rely on Docfunberry so much? I think he could be doing it all for persona, reputation, and promotion. His behavior and chosen ways of dealing w/ his fans does a disservice to them. I think it even puts some of them in harms way.

To say Prince "takes advantage" of not having an official website is utterly ludicrous. And he doesn't "rely" on Funkenberry either. The news would get out one way or another. Most of his band members are active on Facebook and/or Twitter. He has management. He has people that represent him for tours like Live Nation who promote them properly. Labels will get the word out if he decides to release an album with one of them.

And I don't agree that Prince not having a site or official social networks does a disservice to fans. If that's your argument - explain EXACTLY how that's the case.

[Edited 12/5/11 13:00pm]

Yea, but isn't Prince a fanatic over James Brown and Sly Stone? He keeps doing Everyday People even though we make it clear we hate him doing that stuff.

He is the fantatic we wish we could be.

Militant said:

umanbing said:

I wonder why?

Because the person hired to run the site didn't know how to deal with Prince in an appropriate manner. Unsurprisingly, as soon as he left Prince's employ, he bashed him in a newspaper article. Real mature behaviour.

I guess he doesn't do a good job interviewing people before he hires them. It seems like Prince let a few staff members go these last couple of years. I wonder why he got rid Ruth Arzate as his personal assistant and hired Kiran Sharma? I haven't seen Raul, who was one of his main security guys for a minute, and you say Prince let go of the guy he hired to run his website. It makes me wonder if Bria really was bribing his staff? Her music career seemed to come to a screetching halt around the same time I stopped seeing Ruth and Raul.

[Edited 12/5/11 13:37pm]

2freaky4church1 said:

Yea, but isn't Prince a fanatic over James Brown and Sly Stone? He keeps doing Everyday People even though we make it clear we hate him doing that stuff.

He is the fantatic we wish we could be.

speak for yourself!

umanbing said:

I guess he doesn't do a good job interviewing people before he hires them. It seems like Prince let a few staff members go these last couple of years. I wonder why he got rid Ruth Arzate as his personal assistant and hired Kiran Sharma? I haven't seen Raul, who was one of his main security guys for a minute, and you say Prince let go of the guy he hired to run his website. It makes me wonder if Bria really was bribing his staff? Her music career seemed to come to a screetching halt around the same time I stopped seeing Ruth and Raul.

It's not about interviewing people. Like I said - Prince isn't always the easiest person to deal with and most people of his ilk are the same. Some people find ways to deal with it. Others do not. That's life.

Kiran isn't Prince's personal assistant, she represents him in a management capacity.