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Printablelivewire said: I'm a spiritual person so I have no problem with Prince exploring his faith in his art. I do, however, have some issue with the perfunctory and sometimes downright callous way that he expresses it.
For example, I hate the "leader/follower" segment on ONAL. Prince sounds like a smug asshole when he dismisses the first girl like he's the freakin' King of Siam ("Too bad"). He comes across very cold. When I hear his remark I usually feel a twinge of sadness that he would treat a paying member of his audience that way. Whether she knew the "correct" answer or not, Prince could be respectful. Peace, David I do agree though... that "leader / follower" bit on ONA Live was fucking awful. | |
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XxAxX said: when i listen to TRC there are times when i wish i could simply eliminate the lyrics. i don't really find TRC funky because whenever i start enjoying the music the words piss me off (for various reasons, not just religious) so i don't know if i would buy another album like that, forewarned
Funny - this is extrememly similar to what i've said many times - if TRC was instrumental - I'd love it alot more - the lyrics do nothing for me... BUT - as mentioned before - (YES) I will still buy his music www.3121.com 
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Universaluv said: loveG6 said: Universaluv said: loveG6 said: SensualMelody said: If Prince's next album is similar to TRC, I will be happy to buy it.
If it is full of explicit lyrics and sex, then I will have to pass on it, like I always have. But we can still get along...I just don't feel like cursing.  I hate to be nosy but we need information. What albums of Prince to you think are overly sexually explicit? I often find that people always find what they are looking for when they listen to Prince music. "I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth." Let's see what is the hidden meaning there?  Of course you can pick and choose individual lines anyone could do that. It is all about the context of the complete song. I am not going to defend the song because it isn't one of the ones I have ever really listened to or even remember much of anything about it. I couldn't tell you the title of that song off the top of my head. So isn't in my collection as sure I am it isn't in yours. I would need the title of the song so I could go back and listen to it to give my opinion. Tell are you are you one the people you can listen to P-control simply because he uses the P word? If you know the song you would know that it has a positive message about self-esteem especially for women. But if you are put off by the chorus you miss the whole thing. In the context of any art form you are going to push the boundaries. Even gospel artist aren't immuned to often unfair critizism of music style. Yes that is a very bad Prince quote and I am not saying that is no song of Prince's that isn't exclusively about sex but I think those songs make up a very short list when compared to sheer volume of his work. So now after all that please give the song title fo a particular song you would like me to discuss with you  The song is "Let's pretend we're married" from a barely known album called "1999". If you search real hard you might be able to find it.
Sure there are lyrics at the end of the song that go into otherwordly issues, but 90% of that particular song is about one thing: "I wanna fuck U so bad it hurts, it hurts, it hurts I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna fuck U Yeah, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna wanna, I wanna fuck U Look here Marsha, I'm not sayin' this just 2 be nasty I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth Can U relate?" Actually, it's a personal favorite. Look,i agree that Prince can be quite clever at doing the sexual innuendo thing in his lyrics. That said, he can also be fairly explicit when he wants to. I love the message in P-control. Don't care much for the melody, but that's neither here nor there.
. [This message was edited Thu Feb 20 10:41:59 PST 2003 by Universaluv] See, and in a way you proved my point. I have the album 1999 and listen to it often (people find what they are looking for). I don't listen to Let's Pretend We Married usually. But even in that song there is a hint of more than just sex. Lady Cab Driver is one my favorites and it has a very sexually charged ending(with deeper meaning in that particular case) but if I couldn't get past the woman's grunts and goans at the end of the song who loses except me? There isn't anything wrong with LPWM song being one of your particular favorites. But the significance of that album is more tied up with other songs on that album. My whole point is that people have to be open minded when they listen to a Prince song. It just disappoints me when people pick out one song on an album, a chorus, or one line or too dismiss an entire album. But you don't can tell.
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livewire said: I'm a spiritual person so I have no problem with Prince exploring his faith in his art. I do, however, have some issue with the perfunctory and sometimes downright callous way that he expresses it.
For example, I hate the "leader/follower" segment on ONAL. Prince sounds like a smug asshole when he dismisses the first girl like he's the freakin' King of Siam ("Too bad"). He comes across very cold. When I hear his remark I usually feel a twinge of sadness that he would treat a paying member of his audience that way. Whether she knew the "correct" answer or not, Prince could be respectful. Peace, David 7is4me says: i agree with u 100% i 2 disliked the "leader/follower" on ONAL. p could have been more respectful.but that is PRINCE. he can be an egotistical asshole, when he wants 2 b | |
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namepeace said: Yeah, I'd buy it, if only to ensure my collection were complete. I'd rarely listen to it though.
By the way, does anyone believe that 1+1+1=3 is a repudiation of the belief in the Trinity? I.e., Father, Son and Holy Ghost are not one, therefore the belief in a Trinity is false. Now thats an interesting ?, is that what hes singing about? |
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I will continue to buy it. I don't fear it. I bought TRC and ONA. Actually I think Prince has always had "crap" of some sort in his art, to one degree or another. I could go back and listen to things and say, "Now why did he say that? Or, what's he mean by that crap? That's crazy. Geez."
But the music is good and the beat is always in the pocket, and who in their right and honest mind can say that Prince isn't a talented, outstanding, creative musician? The man is blessed with a gift. I listen, seek to enjoy the music, and either intelligently refute any JW doctrine I perceive in his lyrics or vent my disagreements by laughing at it-knocking over "his" sacred cows. Why? Because I can. It's called free speech. It's all kinda funny to me, but of course, I love comedy. I don't agree with having sex with my sister(incest) anymore than I agree with the Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society. | |
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The81Kid said: Annemarie said: The81Kid said:[quote
Yes, but it never implied that opposing views were condemned to burn in hell, or any other such thing (unless of course said artist made that clear from the get go i.e. 60's folk). Maybe you need to learn more about the JW cult to understand. Maybe YOU need to learn more about Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't even believe in Hell. Educate yourself on the JW faith in comparison to all other legitimate Christian religions, and you'll see what everyone is talking about. If you're attitude is typical of 'legitimate Christian religions' then I can understand why many people are completely detered from even believing in God. There is certainly nothing 'christian' about your responses. Hilariously, you advise others to 'educate' themselves about Jehovah's Witnesses, when you clearly know nothing about them yourself. Your bias is obvious, you expose yourself with everything you write. You are quite clearly an intolerant individual I'm intolerant to a cult who I have had firsthand experiences with. Did your friend get raped by an elder? Did your friends sister get molested by this same elder? Did you have to live through this RAPE and PEDOPHILE behaviour? No, you didn't, you don't know jack shit about me and my experience. So I'll leave this forum now, and hell, leave this web site, being that YES I am highly intolerant of cults, because of the types of things that happened to my FRIENDS who suffered in silence for many years. I'm done, peace out to all of you beautiful people. [This message was edited Thu Feb 20 13:27:33 PST 2003 by The81Kid] I wish God settle this once and for all! [This message was edited Fri Feb 21 22:29:33 PST 2003 by Astasheiks] |
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If Prince released a album of just silence on it ... I would still buy it
I guess Prince would b cool if he was singing about devil worship  | |
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DigitalLisa said: If Prince released a album of just silence on it ... I would still buy it
I guess Prince would b cool if he was singing about devil worship You mean like Pootie Tang??? LOL | |
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ian said: pimpytheclown said: I'm gonna take you to task: 1) Prince religion of the past was vague: Spooky Electric?? That's Sci-Fi! In the end it was about "Positivity" and "Lovesexy" which were ambigous, but just about good vibes. TRC, music aside, contains deliberate, explicit lyrics between what is right and wrong behavoir, the hierarchy and servitude of woman to man, man to god, about "banishment" (read:rejection) of those who go by the beat of a different drummer, so-to-speak. It's easier to digest "the feeling you get not when you fall in love with a girl or boy, but the heavens above", than: "Don't you know dead blood kills interferons?!?!" or "I'M TALKIN ABOUT THEOCRATIC ORDER ARE YOU WITH ME!?!?!?" That's SPECIFIC : it isn't just "mumbo jumbo" as you say! Well, I think it is mumbo jumbo. Look at songs like "God". Remember Prince used to shout "Do you believe in God?" at his audience in the 80s? Remember he had a song called "The Cross"? He even had a cross painted on his face in the SoTT video (or was it the Lovesexy videos... one of em anyway). I don't see his latest quasi-religious nonsense as being much different to that which we are used to. Take or leave it... it doesn't ruin the music for me at all. That line "I'm talking about theocratic order, are you with me?" - well my answer to that is "FUCK no!" and I just get with enjoying 1+1+1=3. No big deal. You shouldn't HAVE to do "internal filtering" of Prince's music--that's nice that you're "willing to do the Work", but that is only so acceptable, and make no mistake: PRINCE is walking a VERY fine line here, if this new album is as religious as the title suggests...he is putting his career in serious jeopardy. Make no mistake: he WILL lose a significant ammount of his fan-base that has been way too patient with his overall foolishness. I can get FUNKY MUSIC ELSEWHERE. There are a LOT of amazing "forgotten" funk records from the 70's in used record stores. They GROOVE. They are EROTIC and SEXY. They are FUN. If we get a hard-core cd about blood-tranfusion no-no lyrics and the like, well, I can just wait for vault releases like "Roadhouse Garden". Screwthe preaching. It isn't cool. I don't get it. Why do people get so upset about Prince's beliefs? It's HIS beliefs - you shouldn't feel annoyed or angry when they differ to your own. We aren't all the same. It's as if you've chosen to ally yourself with this man - not just his music, but everything about him, his opinions and philosophy - and when he lets you down by coming out with some theocratic order bullshit you feel disappointed. This is nonsense guys, seriously. You don't need to agree with Prince's opinions to dig his music. You don't need to hold the same religious beliefs to enjoy his music. You can (and I do) listen to "TRC" and "ONA Live" without feeling too bothered about the religious content of the lyrics. Shit, if I could put up with "God" in 1984 (or whenever) and "The Cross" in 1987, I reckon I can put up with his "accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father" bullshit from "the Everlasting Now" in 2002/2003. This is just pop music guys. Some of it is very good pop music, with intelligent lyrics and some great music. But it's just pop music, and it's being created by people that we propelled into an imaginary world of celebrity and wealth. We don't need to look to these people for spiritual guidance  Enjoy Prince's music for what it is, and don't get so irked by his beliefs. I respect Prince's wishes to believe whatever he likes.
If I released an album, I'd probably be singing about vegetarianism and how all flesh eaters are a bunch of bastards. It's natural for someone to want to communicate their beliefs in their art. Don't let it overshadow the quality of that art though, coz you'll deprive yourself of some great music. I think Pimpy has really identified the crux of the debate-- if anything this is mostly about how Prince's conversion to the JW faith has effected his politics. Previously Prince's lyrics were fairly inclusive and open. Lots of feel-good New Age spirituality, utopian sentiment, breaking down identity barriers. Importantly, there wasn't much that directly offended anyone's political sensibilities. Or, more to the point, Prince seemed to espouse a form of non-intrusive, non-judgmental libertarianism which probably appealed to the political sensibilities of his fans. The JW creed is a lot different. It is didactic and above all socially conservative. Of course, many, like Ian, are willing to brush over the lyrics and concentrate on the music. Prince is no philosopher. That's cool, and that's just what I do. I love TRC. But at the same time it is no surprise that the lyrics of TRC would be so offensive as to corrupt whatever enjoyment one receives from the music. Politics is deeply personal. You don't have to be insecure about your own world-view to be politically engaged and active. Some people feel it is a matter of moral duty to attack unjust/ immoral/ incorrect ethical schemes. To simply ignore Prince's lyrics might be deemed tantamount to a complicity with his moral project. I agree with Ian's stance but it is no surprise that TRC is causing rifts in Prince's fan base. It is a divisive album. | |
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call me a "groupie" if u wanna but I will buy anything that Prince puts out there! Guess thats how he makes all his money... Off all the "groupies" like me! He calls me "Holi" cuz he says everyday w/ me is like a Holiday... | |
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namepeace said: Yeah, I'd buy it, if only to ensure my collection were complete. I'd rarely listen to it though.
By the way, does anyone believe that 1+1+1=3 is a repudiation of the belief in the Trinity? I.e., Father, Son and Holy Ghost are not one, therefore the belief in a Trinity is false. I never really looked at that song in that sense when I first heard it. If it is, then I'd reply: 1x1x1=1. Different way of looking at it. | |
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7IS4ME said: whenever p comes out with his next album,if it contains a bunch of JW crap i will not buy it. i am a long time fan of p's but i can't deal with all the JW bull.
U Need 2 B A Micheal Jackson Fan.... If u don't like the change- [This message was edited Sat Feb 22 1:06:53 PST 2003 by DigitalLisa] | |
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Ha ha; reactions to Prince's music creates an entertaining read; every opinion about this topic has a point, but they are just so fun to go through!  | |
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