RiccoTheArtist said:

on the other hand he IS totally funky and i do love Xpectation so i likely would, then i'd piss and moan and bitch about it until. . . . erm. ehehehehehe.

might as well admit i'm a fan for life

loveG6 said:

"I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth." Let's see what is the hidden meaning there?

The81Kid said:[quote

Yes, but it never implied that opposing views were condemned to burn in hell, or any other such thing (unless of course said artist made that clear from the get go i.e. 60's folk). Maybe you need to learn more about the JW cult to understand.

Maybe YOU need to learn more about Jehovah's Witnesses. They don't even believe in Hell.



Educate yourself on the JW faith in comparison to all other legitimate Christian religions, and you'll see what everyone is talking about.

If you're attitude is typical of 'legitimate Christian religions' then I can understand why many people are completely detered from even believing in God. There is certainly nothing 'christian' about your responses.

Hilariously, you advise others to 'educate' themselves about Jehovah's Witnesses, when you clearly know nothing about them yourself. Your bias is obvious, you expose yourself with everything you write. You are quite clearly an intolerant individual

This thread has turned into and belongs in another forum now.

I appoint myself: THE FORUM POLICE

Universaluv said:

Of course you can pick and choose individual lines anyone could do that. It is all about the context of the complete song. I am not going to defend the song because it isn't one of the ones I have ever really listened to or even remember much of anything about it. I couldn't tell you the title of that song off the top of my head. So isn't in my collection as sure I am it isn't in yours. I would need the title of the song so I could go back and listen to it to give my opinion. Tell are you are you one the people you can listen to P-control simply because he uses the P word? If you know the song you would know that it has a positive message about self-esteem especially for women. But if you are put off by the chorus you miss the whole thing. In the context of any art form you are going to push the boundaries. Even gospel artist aren't immuned to often unfair critizism of music style. Yes that is a very bad Prince quote and I am not saying that is no song of Prince's that isn't exclusively about sex but I think those songs make up a very short list when compared to sheer volume of his work. So now after all that please give the song title fo a particular song you would like me to discuss with you

Sandra said:

I agree with Sandra!
I'd still buy it - I do think TRC has alot of "spiritual/JW" stuff on it - but it's certainly not overwhelming & most of the CD is GREAT! At least it's positive - I can tell you if he suddenly turned towards the devil & begun making heavy metal/devil worshipping crap - then NO - I would absolutely NOT buy it. That's where I would draw my line.

I will continue to pray for Prince that he sees the light.

loveG6 said:

The song is "Let's pretend we're married" from a barely known album called "1999". If you search real hard you might be able to find it.

Sure there are lyrics at the end of the song that go into otherwordly issues, but 90% of that particular song is about one thing:

"I wanna fuck U so bad it hurts, it hurts, it hurts
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna fuck U
Yeah, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna wanna, I wanna fuck U
Look here Marsha, I'm not sayin' this just 2 be nasty
I sincerely wanna fuck the taste out of your mouth
Can U relate?"

Actually, it's a personal favorite. Look,i agree that Prince can be quite clever at doing the sexual innuendo thing in his lyrics. That said, he can also be fairly explicit when he wants to.

I love the message in P-control. Don't care much for the melody, but that's neither here nor there.


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[This message was edited Thu Feb 20 10:41:59 PST 2003 by Universaluv]

ian said:

Because he's publicly hobknobbing with the JW crew.

Supernova said:

But why do you care? Prince is a grown man, he do what he likes. The music is still great.

ian said:

You misunderstood; I'm on your side with everything you've said in this thread. It's just something I've noticed with many others.

Supernova said:

Oh I see. Yeah you are right, that seems to be main objection here.

In fervent gratitude for the Savior's dying love, and His bloodbought gift of redemption, I dedicate myself to Him with all that I am and have; and in obedience to His call for workers in the harvest fields, I pledge to Him my willing service, wherever and whenever He has need of me. I consecrate to my Savior my hands to work for Him; my feet to go on His errands; my voice to sing His praises; my lips to proclaim His redeeming love; my silver and gold to extend His kingdom; my will to do His will; and every power of my life to the great task of bringing the lost and erring into eternal fellowship with Him.


If YoU don't like Prince's message, I know someone who does!

minneapolisgenius said:

I totally agree, even though I really like the sound of TRC I have a hard time enjoying it because the lyrics get in the way. I'm sorry but I can grove to "there's a theocratic order now" or nonsense like, "the opposite of NATO is OTAN". Que??!! Lyrics do affect the overall musicianship because why would a song preaching the JW faith sit well with anyone if that's not what you believe? Unless of course you're just not paying attention.

If it is another hardcore religious sermon, this site is gonna be one hell of an interesting stop
[This message was edited Thu Feb 20 11:44:29 PST 2003 by pimpytheclown]

Annemarie said:

I'm intolerant to a cult who I have had firsthand experiences with. Did your friend get raped by an elder? Did your friends sister get molested by this same elder? Did you have to live through this RAPE and PEDOPHILE behaviour? No, you didn't, you don't know jack shit about me and my experience. So I'll leave this forum now, and hell, leave this web site, being that YES I am highly intolerant of cults, because of the types of things that happened to my FRIENDS who suffered in silence for many years.

I'm done, peace out to all of you beautiful people.
[This message was edited Thu Feb 20 13:27:33 PST 2003 by The81Kid]

Jem said:

7is4me says: i have a few family members that r JW and i still say it is a bunch of crap! when i go 2 concerts i want 2 go and have a good time enjoying P's music, how can u do that when he wants 2 preach about his religion.i go 2 church on sundays 2 hear my pastor preach.there is a time and place 4 preaching and a PRINCE concert is not the place. that is just my opinion.

7IS4ME said:

i have to assume that you don't like U2 or tori amos or sinead o' conner or tracy chapman or well, heck, the list goes on and on. Artists discuss what is important to them in their work. I mean, gosh, even madonna pretends to have an opinion
As far as a Prince concert not being the place for his "preaching"...when and where is the place? You obviously don't want it in his recordings, and you don't want it in the live show. So, should he only be doing what the public wants him to do or should he have the courage and determination to do, as an artist, what he chooses? It doesn't matter to him, obviously, if he loses fans due to differences in belief. Any artist will tell you yeah, they want people to like their work but they are not working for the people...they work for themselves. Don't take it personally if he doesn't care what we all think. He's an artist. He only cares about what he thinks...well, and maybe God!
[This message was edited Thu Feb 20 13:43:17 PST 2003 by imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty]

The81Kid said:

That awful incident, caused by a specific individual, is certainly reprehensible, terribly sad and may explain your own personal prejudice and bigotry towards the JW faith.

However it has nothing to do with the topic of discussion... unless you are arguing that Prince shouldn't be allowed to discuss his beliefs, because another person who subscribed to the same beliefs committed a heinous act against your loved ones. Which would be clearly ridiculous.
If Prince was a Catholic, would you hold him responsible for some sleazy priest abusing a family member? Of course not.

Anyway let's get back to the topic. There are people bitching ALREADY about Prince's next album before anyone has even heard it. One question: If you didn't know that Prince was a JW now, would it change your opinion? I wouldn't know he was a JW if you guys hadn't told me. I certainly never would have guessed it from the lyrics of TRC.

Well said imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty.

7IS4ME said:

I agree with you. I know I have been upset for what I have called JW overtones in TRC, but P could have been preaching about any religion at his concerts and I would feel the same way. As far as 7IS4ME saying that Prince is growing as a person and maybe we should, too, I can agree with that as well. I think I may just be growing out of Prince. I felt connected to him through his music and it seems if if he is headed down a different path than me. I am nonetheless happy for him.

I'm a spiritual person so I have no problem with Prince exploring his faith in his art. I do, however, have some issue with the perfunctory and sometimes downright callous way that he expresses it.

For example, I hate the "leader/follower" segment on ONAL. Prince sounds like a smug asshole when he dismisses the first girl like he's the freakin' King of Siam ("Too bad"). He comes across very cold. When I hear his remark I usually feel a twinge of sadness that he would treat a paying member of his audience that way. Whether she knew the "correct" answer or not, Prince could be respectful.

Peace, David

bumping for the a.m. crew.

Peace, David

livewire said:

Don't bump threads please. Post if you have something to say but not otherwise.

That said, you're previous was right. Prince can be a prick sometimes. Funky little bastard!

ian said:

Ian, calling Prince a prick sometimes, offends me and is tantamount to flaming. Please snip your own post

ConsciousContact said:

Believe me if I was really flaming you, you'd know it I was quite the flamer before I started modding the site!

ian said:

Look who turned Narc!

ian said:

Owww, get your handbags out lads!

livewire said:

Right on, David!

To have someone take their $$$, time and effort to go see your show, cheer you on, just to be set up and embarassed in front of 2500 people and further on cd for the world to hear, is really,really ignorant!

I would like to play this cd in front of others, but I can't because Prince comes off as such a ungrateful prick in trying to be cool and other times pushing his agenda, it's embarassing.