Dorthy86 said:

You say you want "different flavors". WELL: TRC left a "Bad Taste" in the mouths of many!

Prince can get away with ONE studio cd expressing his religious views:TRC

Have you LOOKED at this site regarding "ONAL"? The cracks are forming! People have serious issues with "Dead blood/interferon", "Theocratic Order", "Leader/follower" statements up in their music purchases!

There is a BIG difference in the flavoring from say "Parade" to "Sign o' the Times", than "Rainbow Children" to "Two Thousand Free: Year of Revelation" or whatever the hell this new crap is called! That's hard-core shit.

That's fine if Prince does a jazz then rock then r&b cd. But if he delivers a NEW cd that starts with that Bob George/Darth Vader voice stating the newest agenda, you just watch this site...!!! The backlash will be incredible!

I think MANY "fams" (gimme a break) are at their breaking point.

swiftyweb said:[quote]If he released a CD with him farting the national anthem and singing nursery rhymes in the bath I would buy it.
quote]


I'd have to agree with you on that.

Dorthy86 said:

Could you imagine how incredibly boring this site would be if everybody loved everything Prince did? As far as the sex thing is concerned, I am sure there are Prince fans who don't like the sexual references and they are free to post that here as well. I can only speak for myself, I don't care if he goes back to singing about sex. I only want him to go back to being funky.

I'm simply adding imput, not trying to disrespect anyone's opinion. Who doesn't want the old funk back? But is there any harm in liking the new "flavor"? I was just saying that people should just wait until the actual album to comes out to praise or dis it, and not judge it by it's name. True, the title is quetionable, but as the old saying goes don't judge a book by it's cover. Have faith in our man; he could surprise us yet. Thank you for your feedback.

Dorthy86 said:

Dear Dorthy, please don't think I'm jumping on you for adding your imput. Just cuz i don't like some of the views of the posters here on the Org, I nonetheless respect each and everyone on here. I agree with you, there is nothing wrong with liking the new flavor, I just don't happen to. You're right, he may surprise us. Having faith in Prince, that's a little harder.

Sorry, that was not what I meant it to sound like. I respect all Prince fans, no matter what their opinion is. Anyone that can dig Prince , and look beyond what any sterotype or media hype has to say, is cool and above the rest. I like having conversations about Prince and his work; I like to hear other fans opinions, even though I may not agree with them. I think it is good for any fan to dedicate time to an artist. It is healthy to debate Prince's upcoming projects. As stymie said earlier, it would be boring for every person to like every Prince song, then none of us would be sitting around, having a good time, bitching about what Prince is going to do next. Bring on the next thread!

Universaluv said:

Thankyouverymuch.





running for cover from uptight people...

If Prince's next album is similar to TRC, I will be happy to buy it.
If it is full of explicit lyrics and sex, then I will have to pass on it, like I always have.
But we can still get along...I just don't feel like cursing.

7IS4ME said:

open your mind, open your heart,he wont miss u if u go away.

SensualMelody said:

You are a rare breed indeed.

stymie said:

Why r u on a Prince related site if u dont like Prince music,u have no life?

I probably would still buy the album because I want to buy everything he puts out...But I do not like the JW/preaching in the lyrics...it is a turn off to me...TRC is the first album in a long time that I was utterly not impressed with.

Everyone on this site and a few others WILL buy his next few releases at the very least REGARDLESS. Quit trippin and frontin.

Jem said:

That is just your opinion what prince.org should be. If you can stand Prince get well thought out critizism you are forever going to be disappointed here on prince.org. I applaud Prince fans who can praise the things they think are good and call him out when he releases something that is below standards. How boring would this site be it we all sat around on the computer blowing smoke up Prince's butt? I come to prince.org to find truthful opinion on the man's work not a whole bunch yes-men clammering to buy his latest exclusive recording of him farting and chanting in his custom made replica of a 1865 out-house. Although I believe a lot of people in here would buy it.
RBC to large percentage of Prince fans was sub-par to say the least. And if he releases a similiar album he and you should expect the same response. Heck, anyone loyal enough to fork over $100 to the man for products not even created yet can bitch all they want too. Because I know I am not that loyal and didn't subscribe and won't ever will. There is just too many talented artist to find to be worried about what Prince has stuck up his butt when he chooses to release an average album. Maybe if we directed some this energy towards our local radio stations they would stop playing the teenie bopper crap that is driving most adults crazy. Well that was a lot more than I intended. Sorry back to your regularly scheduled forum

SensualMelody said:

I hate to be nosy but we need information. What albums of Prince to you think are overly sexually explicit? I often find that people always find what they are looking for when they listen to Prince music. The debate of Erotic City comes to mind first and foremost. Prince loves to use double meaning in his lyrics, well at least he use too. I find is sad that a huge majority of people get caught up the lowest meaning of his lyrics. Think about it there are plenty of people out there who still think If I Was Your Girlfriend was about Prince exploring his gay side. And to me it was a heart ballard to the center of a woman her ability to connect with people. We men are often so disconnected emotionally with the world we envy women believe or not. My sister for some reason is just closer to my family than me or my brother it just the nature of men. It that same emotional disconnect that has turned something beautiful ,making love, into just sex(which usually hurts both man and woman in the long run). So if you are getting turned off from a lot Prince stuff you deem to be too sexual you are totally missing the boat and I feel sorry for you. It often a challenge finding the hidden meaning in Prince's work but very rewarding. So I challenge you and everyone else here to try with RBC and those 'dirty' songs too.

I've seen people on this site write that they won't buy the next album since 'Crystal Ball'.

Lets face it, if you spend most of your day on prince.org and you are bothered enough to post here you are going to buy the new album.

pimpytheclown said:

Well, I think it is mumbo jumbo. Look at songs like "God". Remember Prince used to shout "Do you believe in God?" at his audience in the 80s? Remember he had a song called "The Cross"? He even had a cross painted on his face in the SoTT video (or was it the Lovesexy videos... one of em anyway).
I don't see his latest quasi-religious nonsense as being much different to that which we are used to.

Take or leave it... it doesn't ruin the music for me at all. That line "I'm talking about theocratic order, are you with me?" - well my answer to that is "FUCK no!" and I just get with enjoying 1+1+1=3. No big deal.



I don't get it. Why do people get so upset about Prince's beliefs? It's HIS beliefs - you shouldn't feel annoyed or angry when they differ to your own. We aren't all the same. It's as if you've chosen to ally yourself with this man - not just his music, but everything about him, his opinions and philosophy - and when he lets you down by coming out with some theocratic order bullshit you feel disappointed. This is nonsense guys, seriously.

You don't need to agree with Prince's opinions to dig his music. You don't need to hold the same religious beliefs to enjoy his music. You can (and I do) listen to "TRC" and "ONA Live" without feeling too bothered about the religious content of the lyrics. Shit, if I could put up with "God" in 1984 (or whenever) and "The Cross" in 1987, I reckon I can put up with his "accurate knowledge of Christ and the Father" bullshit from "the Everlasting Now" in 2002/2003.

This is just pop music guys. Some of it is very good pop music, with intelligent lyrics and some great music. But it's just pop music, and it's being created by people that we propelled into an imaginary world of celebrity and wealth. We don't need to look to these people for spiritual guidance Enjoy Prince's music for what it is, and don't get so irked by his beliefs. I respect Prince's wishes to believe whatever he likes.

If I released an album, I'd probably be singing about vegetarianism and how all flesh eaters are a bunch of bastards. It's natural for someone to want to communicate their beliefs in their art. Don't let it overshadow the quality of that art though, coz you'll deprive yourself of some great music.

I always liked it when Prince would talk about God in a nondenominal sense, I enjoyed it at the shows and on cds.

But I hated TRC, it not only had JW crap on it but also other lyrics that I disliked,Lyrics are a big part in music and If I don't like the lyrics,I definitley willnot buy it.

I didnot buy TRC and I willnot buy the next one.

I attended many ONA shows and I can tell you sometimes Prince hurt some of the fans feelings when they didn't answer his questions right and didn't get on stage.

I don't recall where I heard him say something to the effect if you arenot a believer, I don't even want you at my show. I hate it when Prince acts like this.

But I have made up my mind, if he seperates himself from the fans, like no website, no celebration, no fan club because we are all not JWs,(not that I know he is going to do this, but it sure is possible), I'm not buying anything of his anymore.

ian said:

Yes, but for some people the art they incorporate in their lives reflects part of who they are. They can relate on different levels, and for some, depending on how religious and spiritual you are, infiltrating music that reflects something they're opposed to is not acceptable.

Also, this isn't about art anymore, this is about a religious statement, it's about preaching. Prince isn't making this 'just pop music' anymore, he's making it a platform to impose his beliefs on others. He's a pop star, not a Christian radio star, and if that's the direction he's heading in, then he needs to draw that line and make it clear.

He has every right to sing about his faith, and to want to get out the word, but if I have to sit there and filter out the bullshit rhetoric of a cult, then it's as I said before, beyond art. It's turned into something else that I'm not interested in if the message means more than the music. If I want to pick up the Watchtower or study with a witness I will, I don't need to be inundated with that crap by a pop star.

The81Kid said:

Certainly. If Prince's music says something that you are really fundamentally against on principle, you'd be mad to buy it. I for one don't feel offended by any of Prince's beliefs, although I don't share his beliefs.

Perhaps it's just about insecurity. I'm quite secure in my own worldview and my own beliefs, and I don't feel threatened that one of my favourite musicians has his own beliefs.



I don't see a distinction. Art and religion have always intermingled and co-existed, and art has been used to make political and religious (and even subversive) statements throughout history.

The fact that Prince has the balls to put his opinions and beliefs out there on a CD for us morons to pick holes in is one of the things I like about the guy. I don't often agree with what he says, but that hardly matters.



Now you reveal more about yourself rather than Prince. You stigmatise an entire relgion, and belittle an entire faith which is followed by thousands of people by calling it a "cult". I'm no fan of religion, but I don't see how the JW faith is any more "cult-like" than another religion. Was Prince more "acceptable" when he was speaking about a more generic Christianity in the 80s and 90s?

Fact: Prince has always bundled his beliefs, his bullshit, his opinions, his politics, and his preaching into his music. This has always been the case, and now that he's 45 years old I doubt that is likely to change any time soon.

It's never ruined the music for me - TRC is one of my favourite Prince albums, without a doubt. However if Prince says something on an issue, a very explicitly expressed belief that you are diametrically opposed to and cannot support, certainly, hold on to your cash and skip the album. It's Prince's right to say what he wants and to believe what he wants. Only Prince knows what is the best direction for his own music; the rest of us are just consumers. However it is YOUR right as consumers to choose what you buy and what you don't. I don't see a problem here.

defenatly!
we should respect him even if he has the JW thing going.
U should go 2 my thread "what has the JW done 2 our poor sexy little Prince?!?!?"

ian said:

my filter works like that 4 all his work that contains xplicit lyrics!
and if u store that mess up, dirty mind?

ian said:
If you want only positive things said about Prince, check out Princefams.com - a very fine website with a more "fam-like" stance. Prince.org is for discussion, good and bad [/quote]


...gasp! u mean there REALLY IS such a place?
princefam.com? aw ur joshin' me ian...

crs350 said:

I am going to assume you are joking. Not once in any of my posts did I say that I do not like Prince music, I just don't like some of it. As far as the "u have no life" comment, I am not the one writing in Princebonics.

stymie said:

How could you not listen to Chaos & Disorder and Old Freinds. Some beautiful songs on them man. Sarah is a gem and the whole of Chaos is a blast. Have another go see if it grows.

swiftyweb said:

I will take you up on your suggestion. There are a lot of bright people here on the org, and I have gone back to listening to a lot of Prince's music just from the posts of orgers here. I will listen to them again and let you know what I thought of them. Thanks.

Perhaps it's just about insecurity. I'm quite secure in my own worldview and my own beliefs, and I don't feel threatened that one of my favourite musicians has his own beliefs.

Sorry Ian, but you are mistaken. I am not threatened by anyones beliefs. I dislike rapists and pedophiles, if they wrote pop music, I would not listen to it because I do not believe in leading that type of lifestyle. So I guess that measn I am insecure in my belief that rapists and pedophiles are wrong? That makes absolutely no sense, but whatever floats your boat.

I don't see a distinction. Art and religion have always intermingled and co-existed, and art has been used to make political and religious (and even subversive) statements throughout history.

Yes, but it never implied that opposing views were condemned to burn in hell, or any other such thing (unless of course said artist made that clear from the get go i.e. 60's folk). Maybe you need to learn more about the JW cult to understand.

The fact that Prince has the balls to put his opinions and beliefs out there on a CD for us morons to pick holes in is one of the things I like about the guy. I don't often agree with what he says, but that hardly matters.

You can speak for yourself when you deem Prince fans morons. You're asking for hole picking when you become a celebrity, it's the nature of the beast. Your fans and enemies alike are going to rip your heart out and anaylize it beyond recognition. Prince enjoys this, I'm sure or else he wouldn't 'have the balls' as you say earlier, to put his soul in the spotlight.

Now you reveal more about yourself rather than Prince. You stigmatise an entire relgion, and belittle an entire faith which is followed by thousands of people by calling it a "cult". I'm no fan of religion, but I don't see how the JW faith is any more "cult-like" than another religion. Was Prince more "acceptable" when he was speaking about a more generic Christianity in the 80s and 90s?

Educate yourself on the JW faith in comparison to all other legitimate Christian religions, and you'll see what everyone is talking about. Hey, you might still think everyones full of shit afterward, and that's okay, you're entitled to your opinion. I just don't think you can call me out without seeing where I'm coming from first. You want to say I belittle a whole religion without looking at the bigger picture, which I assume, means nothing to you anyway.


I don't see a problem here.

I guess we wasted our time then. It happens.

I like most of the music on TRC. If it was filled with JW leanings and the music was as good, I'd buy it. I'm more offended by tracks such as Hot Wit U then I am by his religous beliefs.

The81Kid said:

I wasn't implying you are insecure in your own beliefs, not at all. I was speaking generally.



Prince has never said any such thing in his music, so this point doesn't hold water. You seem to see Prince as a personal embodiment of everything you despise about the JW faith. That's your problem. Anyway now that you know that Prince represents everything evil in the world, you need never trouble yourself by buying any of his new albums! Good for you, for taking a stand. In the meanwhile though, I'll be enjoying the music.

As for your personal comments about me needing to "learn more"... you have no idea what I know and what I do not so leave that train of discussion please. I can certainly tell you that moderating the JW related debates in the P&R forum has taught me quite a lot about the JW faith recently.



It's called self-deprecating humour. Don't worry about it.



I'm quite educated, thanks very much. Keep your petty personal snipes to yourself please. There is no "bigger picture" here - we are talking about the religious bullshit content in Prince's music. And as I said very clearly - if Prince says something that you are very much opposed to, you'd be quite right to save your cash and avoid purchasing the album. No big deal - as a consumer that is your choice.

Prince is a grown man, let him believe in what he likes. You can keep your personal prejudice against the JW faith, but if you have something more constructive to say other than "it's a cult" by all means add your 2 cents to the debates in the P&R forum. I tell you something though - for every definition of the word "cult" I guarantee you an argument can be made classifying every major modern religion as a cult. I don't find Prince's recent adoption of the JW faith to be any more offensive or irritating than his pro-Christian diatribe in the 80s and 90s. It has never stopped my enjoying his music.

Of course, if you feel otherwise, that's fair enough. You can deprive yourself of Prince's new music if you wish, that is of course your decision.

when i listen to TRC there are times when i wish i could simply eliminate the lyrics. i don't really find TRC funky because whenever i start enjoying the music the words piss me off (for various reasons, not just religious) so i don't know if i would buy another album like that, forewarned