863 http://www.ascap.com/ace/...mp;start=1

Get to know Google and type in the vault

That question is impossible to answer unless you limit it to released material (or registered material). There are probably songs in his vault that have never been heard by the fans, and he may have written some songs that he never even bothered to record.

[Edited 11/1/11 15:50pm]

Jafo said:

863 http://www.ascap.com/ace/...mp;start=1

Many more actually: tons of songs that are known to exist (sometimes circulating and sometimes even officially released ) were never copyrighted at ASCAP, and that's without counting the numerous unreleased compositions we never heard about.

I think the real number would be somewhere between 1200 and 1500, possibly even more depending on how many songs were composed since we lost track of the studio sessions in 1996...

Borisfishpaw listed 1030 known compositions back in 2005.

i reckon it is well over 2000, especially with the advent of laptops and all the other gadgets and software available...for P, music is like masturbation for the rest of us...

depends very much on your definition of "written"

I am not sure how many, but think there are also a couple of unreleased songs registered at ascap

Tremolina said:

I am not sure how many, but think there are also a couple of unreleased songs registered at ascap

Indeed, but many aren't.

Aight, you peeps are way to technical I guess I should have limited this to copyright material (c). I was thinking close to 1,000 but saw there that it was a little lower, still in amazement as I can't remember what I ate last week monday but this guy has a brain to house all of this stuff.

Actually all his songs and recordings are copyrighted. They are just not all released nor registered at Ascap or the US copyright office as such.

Too many! Quantity-Over-Quality-Syndrome!

Billion?

[img:$uid]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/ArtstLost/9000.jpg[/img:$uid]

Tremolina said:

Actually all his songs and recordings are copyrighted. They are just not all released nor registered at Ascap or the US copyright office as such.

Please explain, I thought registering at a publishing company or the copyright office WAS copyrighting

databank said:

Tremolina said:

Actually all his songs and recordings are copyrighted. They are just not all released nor registered at Ascap or the US copyright office as such.

Please explain, I thought registering at a publishing company or the copyright office WAS copyrighting

No, that is what it is: registering a copyright.

Copyright vests automatically in the author(s) of a work, as soon as the work is made, meaning fixed into a tangible form, like on paper or record. You therefore do not have to register your work in order to have it copyrighted.

HOWEVER - when you are in the US, you can not sue somebody in court over copyright infringement if your work isn't registered at the US copyright office. And you can not claim stautory damages then either.

When is my work protected?
Your work is under copyright protection the moment it is created and fixed in a tangible form that it is perceptible either directly or with the aid of a machine or device.

Do I have to register with your office to be protected?
No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.”

Why should I register my work if copyright protection is automatic?
Registration is recommended for a number of reasons. Many choose to register their works because they wish to have the facts of their copyright on the public record and have a certificate of registration. Registered works may be eligible for statutory damages and attorney's fees in successful litigation. Finally, if registration occurs within 5 years of publication, it is considered prima facie evidence in a court of law. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration” and Circular 38b, Highlights of Copyright Amendments Contained in the Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA), on non-U.S. works.

http://www.copyright.gov/...l#register

Tremolina said:

databank said:

Please explain, I thought registering at a publishing company or the copyright office WAS copyrighting

No, that is what it is: registering a copyright.

Copyright vests automatically in the author(s) of a work, as soon as the work is made, meaning fixed into a tangible form, like on paper or record. You therefore do not have to register your work in order to have it copyrighted.

HOWEVER - when you are in the US, you can not sue somebody in court over copyright infringement if your work isn't registered at the US copyright office. And you can not claim stautory damages then either.

OK, I get it, it's actually the same in France (thought US was different, and it is in the sense that we CAN sue). So it means anyone could copyright uncopyrighted circulating unreleased songs and Prince cannot do anything about it O_O ???

[Edited 11/3/11 4:10am]

databank said:

Tremolina said:

No, that is what it is: registering a copyright.

Copyright vests automatically in the author(s) of a work, as soon as the work is made, meaning fixed into a tangible form, like on paper or record. You therefore do not have to register your work in order to have it copyrighted.

HOWEVER - when you are in the US, you can not sue somebody in court over copyright infringement if your work isn't registered at the US copyright office. And you can not claim stautory damages then either.

OK, I get it, it's actually the same in France (thought US was different, and it is in the sense that we CAN sue). So it means anyone could copyright uncopyrighted circulating unreleased songs and Prince cannot do anything about it O_O ???

No, it doesn't mean that. If you would register (in the US) an unreleased Prince song on your name, Prince could challenge that by proving he is the original author, making your registration invalid. And if Prince would want to go after bootlegs in the US of songs he hasn't registered yet, he only needs to do so, in order to be able to sue. It is a bitch tho' that whole registration system. Makes everything much more complicated and expensive. On the other hand, when your work is registered, you have clear, prima facie evidence in court, which makes it easier to win a copyright infringement case and statutory damages in the US than in other countries where registration is not required to sue.

[Edited 11/3/11 8:16am]

You're also talking about stuff he has down in his journals.

Well over 50

739.

6

Well, I don´t know - but on Wikipedia it says that Dolly Parton claimed in a 2009 interview to have written at least 3000 songs, and I would assume that Prince wouldn´t be too far away. I know she´s older than him, so she has of course some years on him if they both were to be writing / recording everyday, but it´s hard to believe that Prince should be way back.

From Wikipedia, on Dolly parton:

In a 2009 interview with CNN's Larry King Live, Parton indicated that she had written "at least 3,000" songs, having written seriously since the age of seven. Parton went on to say that she writes something every day, be it a song or an idea.^[36]

Nobody knows the exact # in my opinion. The man is a mystery.

Even in a topic about "how many songs has he written", copyright has got to be brought up lmao

Maybe somewhere around 1,334,670 songs??

Don't know of course, but if James Brown is described as the hardest working man in show bizz, Prince is definitely the most productive one.

Timmy84 said:

Tremolina said:

databank said:

OK, I get it, it's actually the same in France (thought US was different, and it is in the sense that we CAN sue). So it means anyone could copyright uncopyrighted circulating unreleased songs and Prince cannot do anything about it O_O ???

No, it doesn't mean that. If you would register (in the US) an unreleased Prince song on your name, Prince could challenge that by proving he is the original author, making your registration invalid. And if Prince would want to go after bootlegs in the US of songs he hasn't registered yet, he only needs to do so, in order to be able to sue. It is a bitch tho' that whole registration system. Makes everything much more complicated and expensive. On the other hand, when your work is registered, you have clear, prima facie evidence in court, which makes it easier to win a copyright infringement case and statutory damages in the US than in other countries where registration is not required to sue.

[Edited 11/3/11 8:16am]

So u CAN sue and claim damages weither ur work is registered or not?

NeonCraxx said:

[img:$uid]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/ArtstLost/9000.jpg[/img:$uid]

ha ha ha ha hah a ha

I don't know if too many Orgers are going to get that reference. Those are two VERY different demographics