Oh funny. "When did Prince lose you?" on prince.org, in the "Prince: Music and More" Forum.

Anyone who says Prince lost them on this site, in this forum, needs to get their head examined.

not yet

Probably after Diamonds and Pearls. That was a real hot album to me but in the 90's my music taste changed and he started working with alot of bad ''artist''.

V10LETBLUES said:

Well of course you can be a Prince fan and not like some of his material. Even most mainstream music critics do not dig Prince's 90' output but are huge fans. His body of work and genius speaks for itself.

GTFOH with the "if you do not like his new music why are here?" bullshit

Who the f*ck do some of you folks think you are? The Prince fan police?

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Don't be moronic. And if he lost you too, then cart your delusional self elsewhere as well.

He lost me after the Gold Experience era around 1995...and then he won me back in 2009 with Lotusflower.

eros said:

kangafunk said:

I'm really struggling to understand why anyone would take the time to register for a fan site if they haven't liked the said person for 5 years, let alone 20 odd!

I briefly lost Prince just after he released rave. I didn't particularly dislike the album, but my taste in music took a big change about that time. I really started getting into Pink Floyd, The Doors, Leonard Cohen and acts tike that. In fact I was so into Floyd that Prince really didn't get a look in for a while.

It was about a year and a half ago that I decided that melancholic music is all good and well, but i was in desperate need for some music with a bit of life in it and I started listening to albums like 1999 and Dirty Mind, it blew my head off once again, just like it did back in the early 90's.

I had pretty much every album up till Rave, I also had PE but shelved it after a few plays. So when I got back into his music I decided to fill in the missing albums. I especially liked Musicology on first listen but the rest took me a while and now PE, Lotusflower MPLSound, 20ten and especially The Rainbow children are my most listened discs, I love them all in a way I wouldn't have thought had been possible a few years back.

Now it seems that I only listen to Prince these days and just to round it off, I got to see him in Dublin, and that has just cemented him as my favourite artist ever.

My Prince lost and found story!

You and I are two different people I've been a fan of many artists.....but never (in my adult life anyway) a fanatic

So what in your eyes makes someone a fanatic?

I buy every album and go to his gigs if he's round my way. Hardly a fanatic.

Spinlight said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Well of course you can be a Prince fan and not like some of his material. Even most mainstream music critics do not dig Prince's 90' output but are huge fans. His body of work and genius speaks for itself.

GTFOH with the "if you do not like his new music why are here?" bullshit

Who the f*ck do some of you folks think you are? The Prince fan police?

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Don't be moronic. And if he lost you too, then cart your delusional self elsewhere as well.

Look who's talking.

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Batman/Graffiti Bridge

I have no idea what Prince is doing at this moment of time, but it's only been a month since any Prince news.

Emancipation was the first time I remember being disappointed.

But every album since then, whilst not being in the league of the 80s output, still has something of merit on it. Every time. Can't say that for many artists stuff I listen too.

motherfunka said:

Can't say they he ever totally lost me, although I lost interest in anything new 1997 and on. Still ran out to get the new cd, but pretty much shelved them shortly after. I couldn't pass up the live shows though. He has enough great stuff prior to that to keep me listening.

That's pretty much my story as well. I haven't been consistant in keeping up with any new releases since then though.

squirrelgrease said:

Right about here...

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LOL U are crazy lol

V10LETBLUES said:

Spinlight said:

Don't be moronic. And if he lost you too, then cart your delusional self elsewhere as well.

Look who's talking.

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The difference being I'm not on a site about an artist whose music I secretly covet while talking mess about having been lost. You're about as lost as a crazy exboyfriend stalking someone on Facebook.

Just because you don't adore every record and every song and because he doesn't make you feel like a virgin doesn't mean you're lost. This is evident in your participation on this site and in discussions directly related to or ABOUT Prince and his music (both current and past).

There is absolutely no point in wasting your time on a website of an artist you hate. Be critical, be gushing, who the hell cares what your opinion is. However if you are not even a fan, then you've got plenty better places to be.

Even though he has not lost me.............when he let religion dictate the choices he makes in his art 2 the point of it becoming an annoyance. I'd say right around 1996/7.

Spinlight said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Look who's talking.

[Edited 10/13/11 2:22am]

The difference being I'm not on a site about an artist whose music I secretly covet while talking mess about having been lost. You're about as lost as a crazy exboyfriend stalking someone on Facebook.

Just because you don't adore every record and every song and because he doesn't make you feel like a virgin doesn't mean you're lost. This is evident in your participation on this site and in discussions directly related to or ABOUT Prince and his music (both current and past).

There is absolutely no point in wasting your time on a website of an artist you hate. Be critical, be gushing, who the hell cares what your opinion is. However if you are not even a fan, then you've got plenty better places to be.

If they really were "lost" then they would've never even saw this thread in the first place!

HonestMan13 said:

Spinlight said:

The difference being I'm not on a site about an artist whose music I secretly covet while talking mess about having been lost. You're about as lost as a crazy exboyfriend stalking someone on Facebook.

Just because you don't adore every record and every song and because he doesn't make you feel like a virgin doesn't mean you're lost. This is evident in your participation on this site and in discussions directly related to or ABOUT Prince and his music (both current and past).

There is absolutely no point in wasting your time on a website of an artist you hate. Be critical, be gushing, who the hell cares what your opinion is. However if you are not even a fan, then you've got plenty better places to be.

If they really were "lost" then they would've never even saw this thread in the first place!

I would respectfully disagree. His current stuff has left me behind, but I still appreciate his older work, and probably will continue to do so. I don't recall this post asking 'when did you start hating Prince", it simply asked "when did he lose you?" I read current posts, but as someone who really hasn't enjoyed one of his albums since he left WB, I don't feel qualified to comment on much of his latest music, but ask me a question about 81-94 and I'll respond in a NY second. His newer works have obviously 'lost' a lot of fans, but that doesn't mean that they stop liking his entire catalog... or start hating Prince in general. it just means that there is a cut off date for "I MUST HAVE THIS" devotion. That for me ended with Emancipation. After that, I get his albums when I can, but I don't buy them first day, first week or sometimes even first month anymore. He lost me, but he has left a really great treasure map to some past nuggets and I'm going to enjoy them.

Also, I can't think of an artist who pushes their genre that doesn't leave some people behind. I have friends that say they lost interest in Prince after Dirty Mind because he lost his 'black roots'. I am a fan of David Bowie and I come and go with his music. There are brilliant albums and ones that I can barely listen to once. Bowie has lost me several times, but I keep going back. Prince is the same way. I will keep peaking in on him, just like I've done with ex girlfriends on facebook! LOL.

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madhouseman said:

HonestMan13 said:

If they really were "lost" then they would've never even saw this thread in the first place!

I would respectfully disagree. His current stuff has left me behind, but I still appreciate his older work, and probably will continue to do so. I don't recall this post asking 'when did you start hating Prince", it simply asked "when did he lose you?" I read current posts, but as someone who really hasn't enjoyed one of his albums since he left WB, I don't feel qualified to comment on much of his latest music, but ask me a question about 81-94 and I'll respond in a NY second. His newer works have obviously 'lost' a lot of fans, but that doesn't mean that they stop liking his entire catalog... or start hating Prince in general. it just means that there is a cut off date for "I MUST HAVE THIS" devotion. That for me ended with Emancipation. After that, I get his albums when I can, but I don't buy them first day, first week or sometimes even first month anymore. He lost me, but he has left a really great treasure map to some past nuggets and I'm going to enjoy them.

Also, I can't think of an artist who pushes their genre that doesn't leave some people behind. I have friends that say they lost interest in Prince after Dirty Mind because he lost his 'black roots'. I am a fan of David Bowie and I come and go with his music. There are brilliant albums and ones that I can barely listen to once. Bowie has lost me several times, but I keep going back. Prince is the same way. I will keep peaking in on him, just like I've done with ex girlfriends on facebook! LOL.

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I think that kind of statement that is what is causing such a stir over the "lost" topic. You still care enough to buy the new material regardless of how you feel about it. So how could he have really lost you. You may not care for anything since 1993 but you still keep track of what's going on in his career to know when a new CD is coming out.

Prince has never lost me. I love and respect all of his songs and albums (all except for Jughead lol).

HonestMan13 said:

madhouseman said:

I would respectfully disagree. His current stuff has left me behind, but I still appreciate his older work, and probably will continue to do so. I don't recall this post asking 'when did you start hating Prince", it simply asked "when did he lose you?" I read current posts, but as someone who really hasn't enjoyed one of his albums since he left WB, I don't feel qualified to comment on much of his latest music, but ask me a question about 81-94 and I'll respond in a NY second. His newer works have obviously 'lost' a lot of fans, but that doesn't mean that they stop liking his entire catalog... or start hating Prince in general. it just means that there is a cut off date for "I MUST HAVE THIS" devotion. That for me ended with Emancipation. After that, I get his albums when I can, but I don't buy them first day, first week or sometimes even first month anymore. He lost me, but he has left a really great treasure map to some past nuggets and I'm going to enjoy them.

Also, I can't think of an artist who pushes their genre that doesn't leave some people behind. I have friends that say they lost interest in Prince after Dirty Mind because he lost his 'black roots'. I am a fan of David Bowie and I come and go with his music. There are brilliant albums and ones that I can barely listen to once. Bowie has lost me several times, but I keep going back. Prince is the same way. I will keep peaking in on him, just like I've done with ex girlfriends on facebook! LOL.

[Edited 10/13/11 23:15pm]

I think that kind of statement that is what is causing such a stir over the "lost" topic. You still care enough to buy the new material regardless of how you feel about it. So how could he have really lost you. You may not care for anything since 1993 but you still keep track of what's going on in his career to know when a new CD is coming out.

I still purchase the disk, but sometimes it is in a bargain bin, etc. Yes, I can honestly say that I've lost interest in Prince's new music, and that has been since Emancipation. There is no excitement for me when he comes out with a new album. When I eventually get the disk, I feel like I am no longer the market for his music. Yes, I buy his music with the hope that I'll enjoy it, but each time, I realize that I have lost interest in it, and the amount of times I listen to the post WB albums proves to me how Prince has lost me... not as a fan, but as a fan who obsessively listens to his latest music. I consider myself very knowledgable about his earlier songs, researching them and their origins... I can't say that about his new music. Instead, I probably couldn't name 3-4 songs off of any of his post-WB albums. Hope that explains my reasons for my statement.

Prince...dropped...WTF...LOST???

Never THAT!

squirrelgrease said:

Right about here...

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This, really.

The hard line religion being crow barred into every song put me off but I aso fully believe his music dropped off in quality at the same time. I've liked a few songs since but he's mainly just the 80s and 90s music plus live performances to me now.

Dsoul said:

The hard line religion being crow barred into every song put me off but I aso fully believe his music dropped off in quality at the same time. I've liked a few songs since but he's mainly just the 80s and 90s music plus live performances to me now.

That's exactly it for me as well. The lyrics are now made to fit an ideal, no matter how ham-handed it ends up sounding, Prince seems to be OK with it as long as "The Truth" is spread on a bed of instrumentation and passed off as a song. It comes off as a clumsy musical equivalent of a JW pamphlet. In the past, his religious views were soft-pedalled for the most part, or at the very least thoughtfully and poetically married to the music.

Sure, there is the occasional gem, and even full LP that showcase how talented he is as a musician and can be as a lyricist, but those two elements in combination are few and far between since his Larry Graham mind-meld.

That's exactly it for me as well. The lyrics are now made to fit an ideal, no matter how ham-handed it ends up sounding, Prince seems to be OK with it as long as "The Truth" is spread on a bed of instrumentation and passed off as a song. It comes off as a clumsy musical equivalent of a JW pamphlet. In the past, his religious views were soft-pedalled for the most part, or at the very least thoughtfully and poetically married to the music.

IMO that thing started much earlier allready.

He might have become even more dogmatic and 'oystered' with the JW-thing, but IMO he allready began to hide himself behind certain ideals / censor himself with the release of Lovesexy in 1988.

I mean, when listening to Sign of the Times, i finally did get the idea I was listening to a person, instead of someone playing the superstar (Purple Rain, anyone?) of following a certain image. Not only his music developed from 1981 to 1987, also lyrically he became more personal and vulnerable.

But somehow that all changed in 1988 (or was it 1987?): I don't know what kind of religious or spiritual experience he had in that period, but somehow his lyrics became less personal and less open after that. When you listen to Batman and Graffiti Bridge you can hear him reconforming the same kind of religious dogma's, only even more blatantly.

Prince since then has often reminded me of some evangelical TV-priest: at one hand spreading blatant religious dogma's, on the other hand using sex-talk / a sex-image as a gimmick when the cashflow is stopping (Diamonds and Pearls).

Instead of getting more personal and subtle in his lyrics, Prince seems to has made a 180-grade turn since the release of Sign of Times. As a person i simply can't relate to him anymore.

That doesn't take away that i keep following his career, because i admire his musicianship, his songwriting- and producing skills, allthough he has been underachieving for way too long allready. The hope is still there, for better or worse.

But i think to really connect to an artist, you have to have the feeling you have something in common in the end. He really lost me with the JW-shit in the late nineties, but when i am really honest 1988 allready made me doubt.

madhouseman said:

eros said:

madhouseman said:

I would respectfully disagree. His current stuff has left me behind, but I still appreciate his older work, and probably will continue to do so. I don't recall this post asking 'when did you start hating Prince", it simply asked "when did he lose you?" I read current posts, but as someone who really hasn't enjoyed one of his albums since he left WB, I don't feel qualified to comment on much of his latest music, but ask me a question about 81-94 and I'll respond in a NY second. His newer works have obviously 'lost' a lot of fans, but that doesn't mean that they stop liking his entire catalog... or start hating Prince in general. it just means that there is a cut off date for "I MUST HAVE THIS" devotion. That for me ended with Emancipation. After that, I get his albums when I can, but I don't buy them first day, first week or sometimes even first month anymore. He lost me, but he has left a really great treasure map to some past nuggets and I'm going to enjoy them.

Also, I can't think of an artist who pushes their genre that doesn't leave some people behind. I have friends that say they lost interest in Prince after Dirty Mind because he lost his 'black roots'. I am a fan of David Bowie and I come and go with his music. There are brilliant albums and ones that I can barely listen to once. Bowie has lost me several times, but I keep going back. Prince is the same way. I will keep peaking in on him, just like I've done with ex girlfriends on facebook! LOL.

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Thank you Why is this concept so hard for some of the posters here to grasp?

So y'all aren't fans anymore but now you're equating yourselves with stalkers? I grasped that concept ages ago for several orgers who claim they're not into Prince any longer then pop up whenever there's a hot topic or a concert is announced.

Riverman37 said:

That's exactly it for me as well. The lyrics are now made to fit an ideal, no matter how ham-handed it ends up sounding, Prince seems to be OK with it as long as "The Truth" is spread on a bed of instrumentation and passed off as a song. It comes off as a clumsy musical equivalent of a JW pamphlet. In the past, his religious views were soft-pedalled for the most part, or at the very least thoughtfully and poetically married to the music.

IMO that thing started much earlier allready.

He might have become even more dogmatic and 'oystered' with the JW-thing, but IMO he allready began to hide himself behind certain ideals / censor himself with the release of Lovesexy in 1988.

I mean, when listening to Sign of the Times, i finally did get the idea I was listening to a person, instead of someone playing the superstar (Purple Rain, anyone?) of following a certain image. Not only his music developed from 1981 to 1987, also lyrically he became more personal and vulnerable.

But somehow that all changed in 1988 (or was it 1987?): I don't know what kind of religious or spiritual experience he had in that period, but somehow his lyrics became less personal and less open after that. When you listen to Batman and Graffiti Bridge you can hear him reconforming the same kind of religious dogma's, only even more blatantly.

Prince since then has often reminded me of some evangelical TV-priest: at one hand spreading blatant religious dogma's, on the other hand using sex-talk / a sex-image as a gimmick when the cashflow is stopping (Diamonds and Pearls).

Instead of getting more personal and subtle in his lyrics, Prince seems to has made a 180-grade turn since the release of Sign of Times. As a person i simply can't relate to him anymore.

That doesn't take away that i keep following his career, because i admire his musicianship, his songwriting- and producing skills, allthough he has been underachieving for way too long allready. The hope is still there, for better or worse.

But i think to really connect to an artist, you have to have the feeling you have something in common in the end. He really lost me with the JW-shit in the late nineties, but when i am really honest 1988 allready made me doubt.

Good points. Pulling the Black Album because he didn't want it to be the last thing he was remembered for if he died (or whatever the real reason was), show that 1987-88 was surely a turning point in his obsession with spiritual superstitions.

Obviously people visit this site becasue we love/like Prince's work, maybe not all, but in general. Let's not get too screwy and try to make more of it than that.

What I got from the thread topic was about a common complaint by some about the quality of his newer music not being up to the level of his classic works, or just not digging it as much. That's all.

I personally do not get why some want to blow this up into anything more than that or insulting people becasue of it. Art is subjective and expressing our thoughts on it is not just natural, but also integral to art appreciation. Part of art appreciation involves "listening" to others opinion in an open discussion. Not about asking questions and then trying to expel folks when they answer.

So relax everyone, don't take your fandom too seriously. Enjoy the site. I do. I love this site. Don't get too bent out of shape, it's not science, it's just about personal art appreciation and personal tastes. Ease your finger from the trigger, everything is going to be alright.

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V10LETBLUES said:

Obviously people visit this site becasue we love/like Prince's work, maybe not all, but in general. Let's not get too screwy and try to make more of it than that.

What I got from the thread topic was about a common complaint by some about the quality of his newer music not being up to the level of his classic works, or just not digging it as much. That's all.

I personally do not get why some want to blow this up into anything more than that or insulting people becasue of it. Art is subjective and expressing our thoughts on it is not just natural, but also integral to art appreciation. Part of art appreciation involves "listening" to others opinion in an open discussion. Not about asking questions and then trying to expel folks when they answer.

So relax everyone, don't take your fandom too seriously. Enjoy the site. I do. I love this site. Don't get too bent out of shape, it's not science, it's just about personal art appreciation and personal tastes. Ease your finger from the trigger, everything is going to be alright.

[Edited 10/14/11 18:32pm]

So true. No one asked if we hated Prince, weren't fans, etc. It was "when did Prince lose you"... and many have honestly answered that, only to be kicked for answering it. I don't know why it is so important for everyone to be a fan of everything the man has done to qualify to be on this site! lol. Some things he's done well, others have sucked and the uber-fan herd has thinned, but everyone still has just as much right and reason to be involved in this site. I don't know how to put it any simpler than that.

It's their loss. Not Prince's.

Just saying.

NeonCraxx said:

It's their loss. Not Prince's.

Just saying.

Its probably both. They lose out on potentially enjoyable music, and he doesn't sell nearly as many records and tickets to his concerts/films. But when you get to superstar status, you can't maintain that and are going to have some fans left behind. ATWIAD sold a fraction of Purple Rain and there is no way that his tours today have as many sold out shows as they did at his peak. He has had to resort to gimmicks like putting a CD on the seat at a concert and saying it was part of the price of admission to be able to get something on the charts. He has left a lot of fans behind, but as an artist, that is his right to keep pushing the envelope. I think that is a great characteristic of an artist who won't rest on his laurels, but he also understands that not everyone is going to go along for the ride.