I'm really starting to think that some of us fans need to get their heads out of Prince's arse...hot mama jama.

GeminiBrown said:

I love,love,LOVE Stevie.....but Prince is more progressive to my ears. I haven't heard Stevie do anything Prince couldn't, but the reverse isn't true imo.

Thats true.

lezama said:

GeminiBrown said:

I love,love,LOVE Stevie.....but Prince is more progressive to my ears. I haven't heard Stevie do anything Prince couldn't, but the reverse isn't true imo.

Thats true.

Come on guys, let's be honest here. Prince could not do what Stevie does. Stevie could not do what Prince does. They're just too different. Y'all need to stop acting like Prince can do everything music-wise, because he can't.

smoothcriminal12 said:

lezama said:

Thats true.

Come on guys, let's be honest here. Prince could not do what Stevie does. Stevie could not do what Prince does. They're just too different. Y'all need to stop acting like Prince can do everything music-wise, because he can't.

Well I've not heard everything single thing that Stevie's done so hypothetically you could be right, but give an example of a sound that Prince hasn't already covered?

lezama said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Come on guys, let's be honest here. Prince could not do what Stevie does. Stevie could not do what Prince does. They're just too different. Y'all need to stop acting like Prince can do everything music-wise, because he can't.

Well I've not heard everything single thing that Stevie's done so hypothetically you could be right, but give an example of a sound that Prince hasn't already covered?

Covered =/= done well.

Prince isn't automatically better than Stevie because he's attempted to do everything under the sun. I prefer Stevie because Stevie had a sound, took it, and mastered it to the nth degree. He perfected it, and set the standard for many other artists and changed music permanently. Whether or not you make songs from every genre does not make you better or more talented. Prince has attempted to make songs from each major genre, with most of it (the music) falling flat on it's face. On the other hand, Stevie has a sound that he perfected and utilised to best that it could be. I'd much rather have an artist that perfects their sound rather than attempt to do everything at once. I admire Prince for experimenting, but he needs more experience with different genres, or else we get stuff like Kamasutra. Maybe if Prince perfected each genre he tried to cover this battle would be different.

lezama said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Come on guys, let's be honest here. Prince could not do what Stevie does. Stevie could not do what Prince does. They're just too different. Y'all need to stop acting like Prince can do everything music-wise, because he can't.

Well I've not heard everything single thing that Stevie's done so hypothetically you could be right, but give an example of a sound that Prince hasn't already covered?

P.S., And if you REALLY want a good example of something Prince NEVER did, search up Sketches Of A Life by Stevie.

Progressive, I don't know.

My respect for Stevie is huuuuge, my fave SW albums are Hotter Than July and Songs In The Key... Innervisions is great as well.

but imo Stevie can't compare to Prince's massive influence / impact. Those incredible albums from 1980 to 1988. A string of 8 EXCELLENT Prince albums, (a total of 9 if The Black Album counts as released in the the 1980s):

This is a view from a dane/ european. Could be different for an american, about the impact from these 2.

Stevie has made a lot embarrassing music since Hotter Than July 1980, but so has Prince, in his case since The Gold Experience 1995.

I see SW as an pop/ soul musician. What he has done is incredible.

yet, Prince is more funky and covers more genres, pop/ rock/ soul/ funk. Maybe the difference is Prince is mixing those genres better.. blending it all better.

I don't know all of Stevie's albums, far from. I don't think I like the early stevie, and not the later either, post 1980. I like Conversation Peace 1995, but not the latest A Time To Love.

But I know all of Prince's albums. I have listened to all of those. And to me Prince is just far more interesting. Again a view from a european (dane), americans might have another opinion.

I believe Prince is a lot bigger than Stevie in Europe, bigger as in selling records and concert tickets.

I saw Stevie live in my hometown Ålborg in 2008, excellent show. Almost as great as when I saw Lovesexy live in Copenhagen in 1988. Stevie live was incredible. About 9.5/10.

BOTH artists are phenomenal.

Prince & Stevie both are geniuses. That is no mistaken who they are when the first note is played on the radio. How can anyone say that Prince hasn't perfected his sound? They are tone death & an idiot. I had the pleasure of seeing them both on stage together, on Stevie Wonder's birthday this past summer. It was electrifying. It was during Prince's highly successful 21 nites gig here in the beautiful land of the stars LA.

Stevie was my late father's musical idol. So it was very special 4 me 2 have both on stage 2gether & witness that. They both are equally talented with Prince mastering more instruments.

Stevie Wonder Gets Superstitious With Prince On Friday The 13th in May @ Prince's highly successful 21 nites gig at The Inglewood Forum in LA.

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Prince wowed the crowd at The Forum in Los Angeles Friday night, and the show went over-the-top when Stevie Wonder took the stage and performed Superstition. It was the perfect song for Friday the 13th, and for Wonder's 61st birthday.

Wonder even played "Happy Birthday" to himself on his harmonica while celebrating alongside Prince and Sheila E.

VIDEO & PHOTO: Prince...s Her Off!

Paula Abdul and Eddie Murphy were just two of the celebs in the audience of 15,000 who witnessed what critics are already anointing as one of the greatest shows of Prince's career. He played 40 numbers and the show lasted over three hours.

"This show is never going to end because I have so many hits," Prince told the crowd after his fifth encore.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince & Stevie both are geniuses. That is no mistaken who they are when the first note is played on the radio. How can anyone say that Prince hasn't perfected his sound? They are tone death & an idiot. I had the pleasure of seeing them both on stage together, on Stevie Wonder's birthday this past summer. It was electrifying. It was during Prince's highly successful 21 nites gig here in the beautiful land of the stars LA.

Stevie was my late father's musical idol. So it was very special 4 me 2 have both on stage 2gether & witness that. They both are equally talented with Prince mastering more instruments.

Stevie Wonder Gets Superstitious With Prince On Friday The 13th in May @ Prince's highly successful 21 nites gig at The Inglewood Forum in LA.

f

Prince wowed the crowd at The Forum in Los Angeles Friday night, and the show went over-the-top when Stevie Wonder took the stage and performed Superstition. It was the perfect song for Friday the 13th, and for Wonder's 61st birthday.

Wonder even played "Happy Birthday" to himself on his harmonica while celebrating alongside Prince and Sheila E.

VIDEO & PHOTO: Prince...s Her Off!

Paula Abdul and Eddie Murphy were just two of the celebs in the audience of 15,000 who witnessed what critics are already anointing as one of the greatest shows of Prince's career. He played 40 numbers and the show lasted over three hours.

"This show is never going to end because I have so many hits," Prince told the crowd after his fifth encore.

You're a crazy stan, so I take every word of yours with a bowl of salt.

If you actually read the post and stopped drinking the damn kool-aid then maybe your opinion would be objective.

Just saying.

[Edited 9/6/11 16:40pm]

Probably my two favorite artists of all time, so this is almost impossible to answer... Stevie was probably the most progressive artist of the 70's & Prince was during the 80's.... Love 'em both.

"Secret Life" is some weird shit though....

smoothcriminal12 said:

lezama said:

Thats true.

Come on guys, let's be honest here. Prince could not do what Stevie does. Stevie could not do what Prince does. They're just too different. Y'all need to stop acting like Prince can do everything music-wise, because he can't.

Well I figured my opinion would get me into one of these sooner or later around here...haha. First off I never said Prince could 'do everything music wise'. The thread is about Stevie and Prince, not Prince and everyone who has ever made music. My OPINION is I haven't heard anything from Stevie that Prince couldn't do, but I have heard things from Prince that Stevie couldn't do. It could be that Stevie has no interest in attempting to try as much as Prince has, or maybe he has, but didn't want to release it to the public....who knows. They are both trendsetters and musical gods imo, but if I'm asked who I think is more progressive I say P gets it, but that's not the same as saying who I think is the better artist...please understand that and don't throw that overused word stan at me.

GeminiBrown said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Come on guys, let's be honest here. Prince could not do what Stevie does. Stevie could not do what Prince does. They're just too different. Y'all need to stop acting like Prince can do everything music-wise, because he can't.

Well I figured my opinion would get me into one of these sooner or later around here...haha. First off I never said Prince could 'do everything music wise'.

The music-wise part was not directed at you, which is why I said "y'all".

The thread is about Stevie and Prince, not Prince and everyone who has ever made music. My OPINION is I haven't heard anything from Stevie that Prince couldn't do, but I have heard things from Prince that Stevie couldn't do. It could be that Stevie has no interest in attempting to try as much as Prince has, or maybe he has, but didn't want to release it to the public....who knows. They are both trendsetters and musical gods imo, but if I'm asked who I think is more progressive I say P gets it, but that's not the same as saying who I think is the better artist...please understand that and don't throw that overused word stan at me.

I never called you a stan. And why is opinion in caps? Do you think that I take your opinion as fact? ...

smoothcriminal12 said:

GeminiBrown said:

Well I figured my opinion would get me into one of these sooner or later around here...haha. First off I never said Prince could 'do everything music wise'.

The music-wise part was not directed at you, which is why I said "y'all".

The thread is about Stevie and Prince, not Prince and everyone who has ever made music. My OPINION is I haven't heard anything from Stevie that Prince couldn't do, but I have heard things from Prince that Stevie couldn't do. It could be that Stevie has no interest in attempting to try as much as Prince has, or maybe he has, but didn't want to release it to the public....who knows. They are both trendsetters and musical gods imo, but if I'm asked who I think is more progressive I say P gets it, but that's not the same as saying who I think is the better artist...please understand that and don't throw that overused word stan at me.

I never called you a stan. And why is opinion in caps? Do you think that I take your opinion as fact? ...

Well you have to forgive my misunderstanding you because you quoted my statement when addressing the 'everything music wise' comment. 'Y'all' implied me as well. Opinion is in caps because you started your statement with 'come on guys let's be honest here' as if I was somehow wrong because we obviously disagree. No I don't think you take my opinion as fact. You seem quite capable of thinking for yourself. And the stan comment was a joke (hint: lol emoticon).

GeminiBrown said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Well you have to forgive my misunderstanding you because you quoted my statement when addressing the 'everything music wise' comment. 'Y'all' implied me as well.

Sorry.

Opinion is in caps because you started your statement with 'come on guys let's be honest here' as if I was somehow wrong because we obviously disagree. No I don't think you take my opinion as fact. You seem quite capable of thinking for yourself.

At least I hope I am.

And the stan comment was a joke (hint: lol emoticon).

Ah, ok.

smoothcriminal12 said:

GeminiBrown said:

Well you have to forgive my misunderstanding you because you quoted my statement when addressing the 'everything music wise' comment. 'Y'all' implied me as well.

Sorry.

Opinion is in caps because you started your statement with 'come on guys let's be honest here' as if I was somehow wrong because we obviously disagree. No I don't think you take my opinion as fact. You seem quite capable of thinking for yourself.

At least I hope I am.

And the stan comment was a joke (hint: lol emoticon).

Ah, ok.

smoothcriminal12 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince & Stevie both are geniuses. That is no mistaken who they are when the first note is played on the radio. How can anyone say that Prince hasn't perfected his sound? They are tone death & an idiot. I had the pleasure of seeing them both on stage together, on Stevie Wonder's birthday this past summer. It was electrifying. It was during Prince's highly successful 21 nites gig here in the beautiful land of the stars LA.

Stevie was my late father's musical idol. So it was very special 4 me 2 have both on stage 2gether & witness that. They both are equally talented with Prince mastering more instruments.

Stevie Wonder Gets Superstitious With Prince On Friday The 13th in May @ Prince's highly successful 21 nites gig at The Inglewood Forum in LA.

f

Prince wowed the crowd at The Forum in Los Angeles Friday night, and the show went over-the-top when Stevie Wonder took the stage and performed Superstition. It was the perfect song for Friday the 13th, and for Wonder's 61st birthday.

Wonder even played "Happy Birthday" to himself on his harmonica while celebrating alongside Prince and Sheila E.

VIDEO & PHOTO: Prince...s Her Off!

Paula Abdul and Eddie Murphy were just two of the celebs in the audience of 15,000 who witnessed what critics are already anointing as one of the greatest shows of Prince's career. He played 40 numbers and the show lasted over three hours.

"This show is never going to end because I have so many hits," Prince told the crowd after his fifth encore.

You're a crazy stan, so I take every word of yours with a bowl of salt.

If you actually read the post and stopped drinking the damn kool-aid then maybe your opinion would be objective.

Just saying.

[Edited 9/6/11 16:40pm]

I could care less what U think of me. Trust me I am not losing any sleep over it. My word is always good, I am very knowledgeable on all things entertainment. Since I been working in it since a child. I will contnue 2 drink the purple KCOOL-AID till the day I die....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

You're a crazy stan, so I take every word of yours with a bowl of salt.

If you actually read the post and stopped drinking the damn kool-aid then maybe your opinion would be objective.

Just saying.

[Edited 9/6/11 16:40pm]

I could care less what U think of me. Trust me I am not losing any sleep over it. My word is always good, I am very knowledgeable on all things entertainment. Since I been working in it since a child. I will contnue 2 drink the purple KCOOL-AID till the day I die....

Without Stevie, Prince loses a really big facet or two. I mean, honestly.

Sonically, Prince is a bad boy, but let's get real. For all his musical diversity and breadth (there's no denying that), Prince has never come close to Stevie's lyrical depth and consistency.

At best, for that reason, it's a tie to me. Stevie gets the lyrically progressive nod to me, and Prince gets the sonically progressive nod (but by a far smaller margin than you'd think -- "... Secret Life of Plants" and "Songs in the Key of Life" are extremely diverse sonically. A LOT of Stevie's catalog is).

[Edited 9/6/11 19:27pm]

ThreadBare said:

Without Stevie, Prince loses a really big facet or two. I mean, honestly.

Sonically, Prince is a bad boy, but let's get real. For all his musical diversity and breadth (there's no denying that), Prince has never come close to Stevie's lyrical depth and consistency.

At best, for that reason, it's a tie to me. Stevie gets the lyrically progressive nod to me, and Prince gets the sonically progressive nod (but by a far smaller margin than you'd think -- "... Secret Life of Plants" and "Songs in the Key of Life" are extremely diverse sonically. A LOT of Stevie's catalog is).

[Edited 9/6/11 19:27pm]

I think Prince modeled his "Emancipation" 3 disk set after "Songs in the Key of Life". I think the concept was brilliant...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

ThreadBare said:

Without Stevie, Prince loses a really big facet or two. I mean, honestly.

Sonically, Prince is a bad boy, but let's get real. For all his musical diversity and breadth (there's no denying that), Prince has never come close to Stevie's lyrical depth and consistency.

At best, for that reason, it's a tie to me. Stevie gets the lyrically progressive nod to me, and Prince gets the sonically progressive nod (but by a far smaller margin than you'd think -- "... Secret Life of Plants" and "Songs in the Key of Life" are extremely diverse sonically. A LOT of Stevie's catalog is).

[Edited 9/6/11 19:27pm]

I think Prince modeled his "Emancipation" 3 disk set after "Songs in the Key of Life". I think the concept was brilliant...

You might be on to something there.

ThreadBare said:

Without Stevie, Prince loses a really big facet or two. I mean, honestly.

Sonically, Prince is a bad boy, but let's get real. For all his musical diversity and breadth (there's no denying that), Prince has never come close to Stevie's lyrical depth and consistency.

At best, for that reason, it's a tie to me. Stevie gets the lyrically progressive nod to me, and Prince gets the sonically progressive nod (but by a far smaller margin than you'd think -- "... Secret Life of Plants" and "Songs in the Key of Life" are extremely diverse sonically. A LOT of Stevie's catalog is).

[Edited 9/6/11 19:27pm]

Yeah... This too...

thedance said:

I see SW as an pop/ soul musician. What he has done is incredible.

yet, Prince is more funky and covers more genres, pop/ rock/ soul/ funk. Maybe the difference is Prince is mixing those genres better.. blending it all better.

U trying to say Stevie aint funky?? Man he took the funk to a whole new level with his sound.

Prince did that 2 in the 80s. But dont ever say Stevie aint funky or u just dont know what funk is.

And Prince will always stay a funk/r&b/soul guy actually just a black guy. His rock and popish stuff always has a r&b and funk influence, so u could say he actually aint good doing other genres.

SpookyElektrix said:

thedance said:

I see SW as an pop/ soul musician. What he has done is incredible.

yet, Prince is more funky and covers more genres, pop/ rock/ soul/ funk. Maybe the difference is Prince is mixing those genres better.. blending it all better.

U trying to say Stevie aint funky?? Man he took the funk to a whole new level with his sound.

Prince did that 2 in the 80s. But dont ever say Stevie aint funky or u just dont know what funk is.

And Prince will always stay a funk/r&b/soul guy actually just a black guy. His rock and popish stuff always has a r&b and funk influence, so u could say he actually aint good doing other genres.

Man I think stevie wonder can be a lot more funky than prince at times...

I'm glad that the O.P. mentions The Secret Life Of Plans, as it's the most ambitious project by Stevie and a clearly underrated album.

I can't answer the O.P.'s question.

What releases besides Plants is progressive regarding Stevie. I know in the 70's, most of his output could be considered progressive, but that stopped around 1980 save for some spots here and there. Prine's 80's output seeed to trump the progressiveness(?) that was already established by Stevie imo. Not just by a differet sound per se but by the instruments used, but song struture et.al.

Anyone can pinpoint progressive Stevie besides Plants?