Does anyone have more info about this?

http://www.princevault.com/index.php/Chicken_Grease

Performed by Prince

• First known live performance: 18 December, 2010 (am): Izod Hospitality Room: East Rutherford, NJ, USA
• Played live in: 2010

fuck d'angelo, i said a long time ago that him dissing Prince was in bad form. Makes him look real stupid now that he ain't done shit for most of the last 15 years.

mozfonky said:

fuck d'angelo, i said a long time ago that him dissing Prince was in bad form. Makes him look real stupid now that he ain't done shit for most of the last 15 years.

He dissed him? For real?

Timmy84 said:

mozfonky said:

fuck d'angelo, i said a long time ago that him dissing Prince was in bad form. Makes him look real stupid now that he ain't done shit for most of the last 15 years.

He dissed him? For real?

years ago, ya, and i predicted correctly that he wouldn't be able to do nearly as well and also that it was arrogant and presumptuous of him.

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

He dissed him? For real?

years ago, ya, and i predicted correctly that he wouldn't be able to do nearly as well and also that it was arrogant and presumptuous of him.

Interesting. Must've been during the Voodoo era.

Timmy84 said:

mozfonky said:

years ago, ya, and i predicted correctly that he wouldn't be able to do nearly as well and also that it was arrogant and presumptuous of him.

Interesting. Must've been during the Voodoo era.

ya that's when it was, and if i remember correctly he put some criticism in his liner notes. Anyway, it ain't as easy as P makes it look, the business, the people, the situations and to keep working and creating is hard, he failed and I am glad.

Actually, if I fremember correctly, Prince took offense to something that Voodoo's liner writer said about him and specifically the song "Untitled"... or even "Chicken Grease". And from what I remember, it wasn't that big of a deal. From what Quest told me around that time, there was no bad blood at all from D's side.

The issue got so out of hand that you can clearly see in the video for "Daisy Chain" in 2001 there were direct jabs at him. The "Chicken Grease" labeled Crisco can, the dude getting his hair braided with a cig in his mouth. Prince even says something to the effect of "lemme show them what the REAL Chicken Grease sounds like" and then does the chicken grease guitar line...

Just another case of misplaced anger on P's part from what I remember.

I think it's all good now, since Prince is always around Qyesto and then there was that rumor that P was gonna be on the upcoming album.

Meh.

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

Interesting. Must've been during the Voodoo era.

ya that's when it was, and if i remember correctly he put some criticism in his liner notes. Anyway, it ain't as easy as P makes it look, the business, the people, the situations and to keep working and creating is hard, he failed and I am glad.

It wasn't really anything bad though.

fuzion said:

Actually, if I fremember correctly, Prince took offense to something that Voodoo's liner writer said about him and specifically the song "Untitled"... or even "Chicken Grease". And from what I remember, it wasn't that big of a deal. From what Quest told me around that time, there was no bad blood at all from D's side.

The issue got so out of hand that you can clearly see in the video for "Daisy Chain" in 2001 there were direct jabs at him. The "Chicken Grease" labeled Crisco can, the dude getting his hair braided with a cig in his mouth. Prince even says something to the effect of "lemme show them what the REAL Chicken Grease sounds like" and then does the chicken grease guitar line...

Just another case of misplaced anger on P's part from what I remember.

I think it's all good now, since Prince is always around Qyesto and then there was that rumor that P was gonna be on the upcoming album.

Meh.

Those liner notes is what atrated it as mentioned as well. Prince even repsonded with that remix of Undisputed lyrics change aimed at 2uest and them. Then he showed and proved with TRC and took D's ex, Angie Stone to duet with You Make My Sunshine etc...hell, even Shelby was one of the Soulquarians who sang on the Voodoo tour lol.....

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now correct me if I'm wrong but at some point, somewhere, D'angelo said something attacking Prince's music in a tone implying he was being lazy, didn't give a fuck or something. That is what I took offense too, he ain't been in the business long enough to say some shit like that. I also recall him being quoted as saying he needed a shower after speaking with Prince as if he was dealing with a dirty guy or something. I don't know how true that story is though.

rdhull said:

fuzion said:

Actually, if I fremember correctly, Prince took offense to something that Voodoo's liner writer said about him and specifically the song "Untitled"... or even "Chicken Grease". And from what I remember, it wasn't that big of a deal. From what Quest told me around that time, there was no bad blood at all from D's side.

The issue got so out of hand that you can clearly see in the video for "Daisy Chain" in 2001 there were direct jabs at him. The "Chicken Grease" labeled Crisco can, the dude getting his hair braided with a cig in his mouth. Prince even says something to the effect of "lemme show them what the REAL Chicken Grease sounds like" and then does the chicken grease guitar line...

Just another case of misplaced anger on P's part from what I remember.

I think it's all good now, since Prince is always around Qyesto and then there was that rumor that P was gonna be on the upcoming album.

Meh.

Those liner notes is what atrated it as mentioned as well. Prince even repsonded with that remix of Undisputed lyrics change aimed at 2uest and them. Then he showed and proved with TRC and took D's ex, Angie Stone to duet with You Make My Sunshine etc...hell, even Shelby was one of the Soulquarians who sang on the Voodoo tour lol.....

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[Edited 8/20/11 9:12am]

Some songs of The Rainbow Children actually sound influenced by D'Angelo's Voodoo to my ears. Particularly Mellow and Muse 2 The Pharaoh.

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Javi said:

rdhull said:

Those liner notes is what atrated it as mentioned as well. Prince even repsonded with that remix of Undisputed lyrics change aimed at 2uest and them. Then he showed and proved with TRC and took D's ex, Angie Stone to duet with You Make My Sunshine etc...hell, even Shelby was one of the Soulquarians who sang on the Voodoo tour lol.....

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[Edited 8/20/11 9:12am]

Some songs of The Rainbow Children actually sound influenced by D'Angelo's Voodoo to my ears. Particularly Mellow and Muse 2 The Pharaoh.

[Edited 8/20/11 13:50pm]

Ya. I do agree that Voodoo shook Prince out of his Rave/NPS doldrums to be more focused and consistent. But he was basically doing himself..again.

rdhull said:

fuzion said:

Actually, if I fremember correctly, Prince took offense to something that Voodoo's liner writer said about him and specifically the song "Untitled"... or even "Chicken Grease". And from what I remember, it wasn't that big of a deal. From what Quest told me around that time, there was no bad blood at all from D's side.

The issue got so out of hand that you can clearly see in the video for "Daisy Chain" in 2001 there were direct jabs at him. The "Chicken Grease" labeled Crisco can, the dude getting his hair braided with a cig in his mouth. Prince even says something to the effect of "lemme show them what the REAL Chicken Grease sounds like" and then does the chicken grease guitar line...

Just another case of misplaced anger on P's part from what I remember.

I think it's all good now, since Prince is always around Qyesto and then there was that rumor that P was gonna be on the upcoming album.

Meh.

Those liner notes is what atrated it as mentioned as well. Prince even repsonded with that remix of Undisputed lyrics change aimed at 2uest and them. Then he showed and proved with TRC and took D's ex, Angie Stone to duet with You Make My Sunshine etc...hell, even Shelby was one of the Soulquarians who sang on the Voodoo tour lol.....

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[Edited 8/20/11 9:12am]

Exactly. Even "U Make My Sunshine" had an "Untitled" vibe to it.

Well I don't know if Prince ever said somethhing bad about D'Angelo, but what I can assure u is that in 2004 Prince during the interview said that he liked D'Angelo's music. And so did D'Angelo, his song "Untitled" was dedicated to Prince and u can certainly hear Prince's influence in both of D's albums.

mozfonky said:

fuck d'angelo, i said a long time ago that him dissing Prince was in bad form. Makes him look real stupid now that he ain't done shit for most of the last 15 years.

You math is off. Voodoo came out in 2000.

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

Interesting. Must've been during the Voodoo era.

ya that's when it was, and if i remember correctly he put some criticism in his liner notes. Anyway, it ain't as easy as P makes it look, the business, the people, the situations and to keep working and creating is hard, he failed and I am glad.

Those liner notes were written by Saul Williams, not D'Angelo. And the remarks weren't all that critical. Or untrue.

TwiliteKid said:

mozfonky said:

ya that's when it was, and if i remember correctly he put some criticism in his liner notes. Anyway, it ain't as easy as P makes it look, the business, the people, the situations and to keep working and creating is hard, he failed and I am glad.

Those liner notes were written by Saul Williams, not D'Angelo. And the remarks weren't all that critical. Or untrue.

Oh wait Saul wrote them?

TwiliteKid said:

mozfonky said:

ya that's when it was, and if i remember correctly he put some criticism in his liner notes. Anyway, it ain't as easy as P makes it look, the business, the people, the situations and to keep working and creating is hard, he failed and I am glad.

Those liner notes were written by Saul Williams, not D'Angelo. And the remarks weren't all that critical. Or untrue.

Yeah, Saul wrote them but D allowed it. He was really feeling himself with this release lol.

rdhull said:

TwiliteKid said:

Those liner notes were written by Saul Williams, not D'Angelo. And the remarks weren't all that critical. Or untrue.

Yeah, Saul wrote them but D allowed it. He was really feeling himself with this release lol.

Interesting. Anyone who still has the album post the liner notes so we can all judge for ourselves.

Oh and yeah did Prince ever perform D'Angelo at the concert smoothcriminal12 mentioned?

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

Yeah, Saul wrote them but D allowed it. He was really feeling himself with this release lol.

Interesting. Anyone who still has the album post the liner notes so we can all judge for ourselves.

Oh and yeah did Prince ever perform D'Angelo at the concert smoothcriminal12 mentioned?

http://www.angelfire.com/ky2/DangelosVoudou/VoodooLinerNotes.html

To be the son of a preacher man was once African American cultural royalty. As traditional churches have grown empty many of us have been left to wander these haunted castles like that displaced Prince of Denmark, contemplating the paths of our mothers: that electric lady that landed us here in the first place. The Aquarian Age is a matriarchal age, and if we are to exist as men in this new world many of us must learn to embrace and nuture that which is feminine with all of our hearts (he-arts). But is there any room for artistry in hip hop’s decadent man-sion? Have we walked our Timberlands soleless…soul-less? When you pour that wine on the ground in that video shoot that has become your life will you be ready to hear the voice that pours from the bottle to inebriate the very ground on which we walk? It is libations such as these that are the start of every voodoo ceremony. And let us not forget that that is why we have come.

We have come in the name of Jimi, Sly, Marvin, Stevie, all artists formerly known as spirits and all spirits formerly known as stars. We have come in the tradition of burning bushes, burning ghettos, burning splifs, and the ever-burning candles of our bedrooms and silent chambers. We have come bearing instruments and our voices: Falsetto and baritone, percussion and horns. We have come adorned in the apparel of the anointed: leather and feathers, jeans and t-shirts, linen and cashmere, and even polyester. We have come to seduce and serenade the night and the powers of darkness. We speak of darkness, not as ignorance, but as the unknown and the mysterious of the unseen.

Envision this: a lone man in a haunted room surrounded by glowing instructments. What sounds are evoked from a room where Jimi once slept? What are the rewards of those who tend to their God-given talents as they would have the Creator tend to their spirits and daily lives? What happens when the artist becomes the conjur man?
These are questions that seem to be null and void in the face of all the glitter and glamour that has dominated most successful Black artistry of recent years. We seem to be more preoccupied with cultivating our bank accounts than cultivating our crafts. Nowadays, I find my peers more inspired by an artist’s business tactics than their artistry. In fact, we do not seem to mind an artistry that suffers in the face of seemingly good business. More artists seem to yearn to own their own labels, etc., than they seem to yearn to master their crafts. No, we cannot allow any more Bessie Smiths to occur, but once an artist owns their own publishing the question then becomes, what are you going to publish? Of course, I am using the word “artist” loosely. I, personally, believe in an art as it exists in the context of the phrase “thou art God”. In this phrase, art is the word that connects the individual (thou) to their higher self (God) or to that which is universal. Using such a standard, most emcees might become embarrassed.

Whoa! Why am I attacking hip hop? ‘Cause I’m a lyricist, son, a lyricist that has had to serve as his own inspiration when most of my peers seem to idolize Donald Trump more than Sly Stone, when they don’t seem to realize that Jimi Hendrix was and is a sonic Bill gates. Oh shit, don’t make me call no names.

Now, you may ask, “Well what does this have to do with D’Angelo?”
My answer: Inspiration.
Here is a peer that is focused wholly on his craft and has given himself the challenge of bettering himself. I mean really, D could have come out with any ol’ follow-up album after Brown Sugar dropped so that he could double his sales “While he’s still hot.” You know, an album that sounds just like Brown Sugar, uses all the same formulas, so that audiences don’t have to think ….or grown, they just keep liking the same shit. He could even sample songs that you’re already familiar with so that you don’t have to go through the “hard work” of getting used to a new melody or bass line. Y’all don’t hear me.

You might respond, “Lyrics? Yo, I can’t even understand half the shit that D’Angelo be saying. That nigga sounds like Bobby McFerrin on opium.” And I’d say, “You’re right. Neither can I. But I am drawn to figure out what it is that he’s saying. His vocal collaging intrigues me.” Or you might say, “But his shit don’t sound all that original, he just sounds like he’s trying to be Prince or some shit.” And I’d say, maybe you’re right. At times he does. We often study the breathing techniques of our inspirations (inspire means to breathe in or to make breath, inhale). And that’s also true for most of you, emcees. I mean, don’t ¾ of y’all niggas sound like NAS? The difference is that D’Angelo has allowed influence to simply take its place among his own intuitive artistry. He works to find his own voice within his many influences. I’d pay to see Prince’s face as he listens to this album (Ahmir, ? of The Roots, said that the Artist lets Black people call him Prince). Do you think he’d feel robbed or inspired? My opinion, over the years as I’ve sat in countless conversations about why it is that the Artist puts out half the shit he does (you know the half I’m talking about) is because he lacks any new inspiration. Once again an artist is faced with the reality of having to serve as their own inspiration after they have worn out all their Sly, Jimi, Marvin, Stevie ( I do not mean to ignore the many inspirational female singers, I’m just making a point as regards this male vocalist)…

Damn, is there any way to speak of that which is feminine without having masculinity right in the middle of it? Female. Woman. Unless, of course, these words came first and we later dervied male and man from them. Somehow, I doubt that. We need a new language to go along with this new age. And a new music.

Thus, we have come. As we prepare to journey, we must decide which elements of our sonic past we are going to pack to carry with us into this new day this new sound. The distilled ambiance of an Al Green song, the ambiguous sexual majesty of a Prince song, the creative genius of Stevie Wonder…D’Angelo has made his choices, carefully weaving them into his character, and has courageously stepped into the void bearing these sonic offerings to be delivered to the beckoning goddess of the new age. I do not wish to overly dissect this album. It’s true dissection occurs in how it seeps into your life shapes your moments. What you were doing when you realized he was saying this or that? How it played softly in the back ground when you first saw him or her. How you kept it on repeat on that special night. You’ll see. These songs are incantations, testaments of artistry, confessions of an Aquarius as he steps into his own. ---text written by Saul Williams

Timmy84 said:

rdhull said:

Yeah, Saul wrote them but D allowed it. He was really feeling himself with this release lol.

Interesting. Anyone who still has the album post the liner notes so we can all judge for ourselves.

Oh and yeah did Prince ever perform D'Angelo at the concert smoothcriminal12 mentioned?

I think so but for sure when D's Voodoo tour came to Mn, they were invited to Paisley Park to jam with Prince after the show. It was reported bu 2uest that Prince played them by changing up keys etc or what have you making it hard for them to contribute. Dangelo ended up walking outside to smoke seemingly dejected that their hero dogged them...back, most likely due to the "disrespect" of mentioning him in the liner notes lol.

Im paraphrasing the exact details as it was written by 2uest at the time

^^ Hmm very interesting liner notes.

rdhull said:

fuzion said:

Actually, if I fremember correctly, Prince took offense to something that Voodoo's liner writer said about him and specifically the song "Untitled"... or even "Chicken Grease". And from what I remember, it wasn't that big of a deal. From what Quest told me around that time, there was no bad blood at all from D's side.

The issue got so out of hand that you can clearly see in the video for "Daisy Chain" in 2001 there were direct jabs at him. The "Chicken Grease" labeled Crisco can, the dude getting his hair braided with a cig in his mouth. Prince even says something to the effect of "lemme show them what the REAL Chicken Grease sounds like" and then does the chicken grease guitar line...

Just another case of misplaced anger on P's part from what I remember.

I think it's all good now, since Prince is always around Qyesto and then there was that rumor that P was gonna be on the upcoming album.

Meh.

Those liner notes is what atrated it as mentioned as well. Prince even repsonded with that remix of Undisputed lyrics change aimed at 2uest and them. Then he showed and proved with TRC and took D's ex, Angie Stone to duet with You Make My Sunshine etc...hell, even Shelby was one of the Soulquarians who sang on the Voodoo tour lol.....

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[Edited 8/20/11 9:12am]

Prince was just mad that someone called him out, rightfully so, on his shit for resting on his laurels and putting out simple, trite shit!! I'm GLAD D'Angelo put that in his liner notes. I remember Beck also said he agreed to some extent with D'Angelo about how Prince was much better than what he was releasing back then.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

rdhull said:

Those liner notes is what atrated it as mentioned as well. Prince even repsonded with that remix of Undisputed lyrics change aimed at 2uest and them. Then he showed and proved with TRC and took D's ex, Angie Stone to duet with You Make My Sunshine etc...hell, even Shelby was one of the Soulquarians who sang on the Voodoo tour lol.....

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[Edited 8/20/11 9:12am]

Prince was just mad that someone called him out, rightfully so, on his shit for resting on his laurels and putting out simple, trite shit!! I'm GLAD D'Angelo put that in his liner notes. I remember Beck also said he agreed to some extent with D'Angelo about how Prince was much better than what he was releasing back then.

I shame the days I didn't have the internet around this time because I know this was probably a HOT discussion here when the album came out. I know shit was probably on and popping around that time. I'm sure it's in the archives, right?

Timmy84 said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Prince was just mad that someone called him out, rightfully so, on his shit for resting on his laurels and putting out simple, trite shit!! I'm GLAD D'Angelo put that in his liner notes. I remember Beck also said he agreed to some extent with D'Angelo about how Prince was much better than what he was releasing back then.

I shame the days I didn't have the internet around this time because I know this was probably a HOT discussion here when the album came out. I know shit was probably on and popping around that time. I'm sure it's in the archives, right?

Oh, you KNOW we had a good time with that shit!

I just tried looking at the alt.music.prince archives, and I couldn't find anything on it, but I'm sure it's out there!!

[Edited 8/20/11 19:32pm]

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Timmy84 said:

I shame the days I didn't have the internet around this time because I know this was probably a HOT discussion here when the album came out. I know shit was probably on and popping around that time. I'm sure it's in the archives, right?

Oh, you KNOW we had a good time with that shit!

I just tried looking at the alt.music.prince archives, and I couldn't find anything on it, but I'm sure it's out there!!

[Edited 8/20/11 19:32pm]

I see.

alexnvrmnd777 said:

rdhull said:

Those liner notes is what atrated it as mentioned as well. Prince even repsonded with that remix of Undisputed lyrics change aimed at 2uest and them. Then he showed and proved with TRC and took D's ex, Angie Stone to duet with You Make My Sunshine etc...hell, even Shelby was one of the Soulquarians who sang on the Voodoo tour lol.....

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[Edited 8/20/11 9:12am]

Prince was just mad that someone called him out, rightfully so, on his shit for resting on his laurels and putting out simple, trite shit!! I'm GLAD D'Angelo put that in his liner notes. I remember Beck also said he agreed to some extent with D'Angelo about how Prince was much better than what he was releasing back then.

Yeah I remember. Beck had Debra, a Prince knock off and D had How'z It Feel...but I could see prince being a tad miffed at some new jack talkin shit after only having one other hit release ...5 years prior lol as if he is now something. And as history has shown, D never did anything else in the last ten years since that lol. Prince in his first decade made 7-8 classics. And damn near everything D did with Voodoo including the tour was a Prince (Parade? Prince review) knock off.

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[Edited 8/20/11 19:43pm]

rdhull said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Prince was just mad that someone called him out, rightfully so, on his shit for resting on his laurels and putting out simple, trite shit!! I'm GLAD D'Angelo put that in his liner notes. I remember Beck also said he agreed to some extent with D'Angelo about how Prince was much better than what he was releasing back then.

Yeah I remember. Beck had Debra, a Prince knock off and D had How'z It Feel...but I could see prince being a tad miffed at some new jack talkin shit after only having one other hit release ...5 years prior lol as if he is now something. And as history has shown, D never did anything else in the last ten years since that lol. Prince in his first decade made 7-8 classics. And damn near everything D did with Voodoo including the tour was a Prince (Parade? Prince review) knock off.

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[Edited 8/20/11 19:43pm]

D was also called the new millennium Marvin Gaye by some in the press (there were actually more similarities to Marvin than Prince when D'Angelo was concerned). The Prince element didn't really come out until Voodoo anyways but the Prince element was always there especially in the closer to Brown Sugar ("Higher").

rdhull said:

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Prince was just mad that someone called him out, rightfully so, on his shit for resting on his laurels and putting out simple, trite shit!! I'm GLAD D'Angelo put that in his liner notes. I remember Beck also said he agreed to some extent with D'Angelo about how Prince was much better than what he was releasing back then.

Yeah I remember. Beck had Debra, a Prince knock off and D had How'z It Feel...but I could see prince being a tad miffed at some new jack talkin shit after only having one other hit release ...5 years prior lol as if he is now something. And as history has shown, D never did anything else in the last ten years since that lol. Prince in his first decade made 7-8 classics. And damn near everything D did with Voodoo including the tour was a Prince (Parade? Prince review) knock off.

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[Edited 8/20/11 19:43pm]

Well, I looked at it as just D'Angelo and Beck saying what any other regular fan of the man was saying at the time, and not newbies coming in and arrogantly thinking they run shit. A lot of us shared that same sentiment on how "lazy" Prince's songwriting and production had gotten. They were only quotes because they were "stars" themselves, obviously.

I mean, it's not like Beck and D'Angelo were wrong back then (and STILL applies).

[Edited 8/20/11 22:39pm]