electricberet said:

Timmy84 said:

The songs on The Time's albums were Prince's anyway. If The Time hadn't been thought of, he'd either put them out himself or kept them in a vault. It's like the Vanity 6 and Apollonia 6 records. Sure The Time were their own band but most of the material was really Prince records and most of the members weren't even asked to contribute to the music because Prince already had finished it.

But could anyone have played the Morris Day part as well as Morris Day? Prince could have made some of those songs into hits but he wanted to have a side group and the guys from the Time pulled it off brilliantly. They deserve credit for that. The movie Purple Rain would be almost unwatchable without Morris Day.

I think he is still punishing Morris for the reviews and his conduct in light of all the attention. Morris was coked out and was getting offers from everywhere, his breakout performance was essentially the end of The Time as employees. The funny thing is im not sure i know anybody who would have handled it well in that situation, those cats were still sheltered and underpaid in Princes universe at that time. What Prince is doing today has no monetary value, he isn't protecting an asset, he should be fighting to get the rights for PR and 1999 not being a hardass about throw away funk jams. He's just saying to Morris, "nigga i aint forgot that shit you did back in the muthafuckin day" plain and simple.

dreamshaman32 said:

Timmy84 said:

True but in a way Prince created the persona/character that became Morris Day as opposed to the Morris Day who had known Prince since they were 15, 16 years old. Sure I give them credit for pulling in tight live shows and we know that the Time by themselves are very multi-talented (Morris has been known to write some nice songs in the past, Jimmy & Terry of course we know how much of geniuses they are, Jesse, Monte, Jellybean, etc.) but the records themselves would've probably been better had Prince allowed them to experiment and arrange them in their own fashion rather than just producing it as a copy and paste thing for Morris and pass it off as a "Time recording" when in essence The Time, What Time Is It? and Ice Cream Castles were just Prince records in essence.

Wasn't that a persona created by watching an older relative of either Morris or Prince? i think it was a brother even older than Duane. I believe at this late stage Prince is being petty, so what the first two records are essentially Prince records, he's an established genius and his hardcore fanbase already know this fact. I can see if it is the 80's and he's protecting a lucrative market share but the coveted demo isn't clamouring for a new release from either act. The Time as well as the Family and associated acts should be opening for him anyway. The Time is an oldies act, and Prince is an oldies act on steroids; he's doing the same thing they want to do only bigger due to his status . What will it hurt? his solid as a rock legacy? his wallet? hell Jimmy and Terry probably have enough to buy everyone involved in this debacle. Morris and the boys seem to have taken on a Frankenstein proportion in the Prince mythology, kick ass band but his aversion and continued treatment of them makes them bigger than they are. As long as he acts this way people are gonna want to talk about it, sign on Prince, do a couple of interviews maybe a song and take it on the road. In the meantime, dont be all morally superior when WB takes a hardline on the parts of his ass they want to retain ownership of.

Agree with everything you said.I mean,seriously......is it really gonna hurt Prince (financially or otherwise) if the guys are allowed to release a new CD as 'The Time'? We're not in the 80s anymore.The CD is not gonna go double platinum.Hell,his own CDs don't even sell alot of copies.I just don't see what he's trying to "protect".And considering all the drama that he went through in the 90s,fighting with Warners,he should be alot more sympathetic to what other musicians and ex-proteges are going through as they try to maintain their careers too.

Militant said:

As much as I love The Time... it's just as much P's project as any of theirs, if not more so, since he did write all the songs for their first three albums (with some help from Dez, Lisa and Jesse on a few cuts)... and he wrote about half of the 4th album.

True,but the issue isn't about those albums.This is about the new album which the guys wrote and produced themselves with no Prince involvement.

SoulAlive said:

Militant said:

As much as I love The Time... it's just as much P's project as any of theirs, if not more so, since he did write all the songs for their first three albums (with some help from Dez, Lisa and Jesse on a few cuts)... and he wrote about half of the 4th album.

True,but the issue isn't about those albums.This is about the new album which the guys wrote and produced themselves with no Prince involvement.

Why cant we enjoy whatever it is groups like this still have to offer without his interferance?. If he feels they are "of" him then let them on his tours, Andy Allo is a fine young lady but i'm a Prince fan for real and i'd rather take in a 10 song set from The Time instead. This meandering middleground mares his own career (Do i wanna be a pop star?/ do i wanna be free to do whatever?) which is why he isnt given his just due-why infect others?. Either endorse them wholeheartedly or leave all of them the fuck alone, i'm sure he's taken enough riffs and grooves from his employess to make up for the fact that the general music lover is unaware he did the first two time records.

dreamshaman32 said:

SoulAlive said:

True,but the issue isn't about those albums.This is about the new album which the guys wrote and produced themselves with no Prince involvement.

Why cant we enjoy whatever it is groups like this still have to offer without his interferance?. If he feels they are "of" him then let them on his tours, Andy Allo is a fine young lady but i'm a Prince fan for real and i'd rather take in a 10 song set from The Time instead. This meandering middleground mares his own career (Do i wanna be a pop star?/ do i wanna be free to do whatever?) which is why he isnt given his just due-why infect others?. Either endorse them wholeheartedly or leave all of them the fuck alone, i'm sure he's taken enough riffs and grooves from his employess to make up for the fact that the general music lover is unaware he did the first two time records.

Exactly! He allows Larry Graham to open his shows when most of his fans would rather see The Time.Like you said,he needs to endorse them wholeheartedly or set them free and allow them to do their own thing.

The group can choose to be The Tyme, The Thyme, The Thyhm, Flightime, Time in Flight, Morris & the Flytime, or any number of names... Just put the music out, dudes!

purplethunder3121 said:

The group can choose to be The Tyme, The Thyme, The Thyhm, Flightime, Time in Flight, Morris & the Flytime, or any number of names... Just put the music out, dudes!

exactly.

purplethunder3121 said:

The group can choose to be The Tyme, The Thyme, The Thyhm, Flightime, Time in Flight, Morris & the Flytime, or any number of names... Just put the music out, dudes!

Why would they do that when they can just sit back and continue 2 point the finger at Prince?

Graycap23 said:

purplethunder3121 said:

The group can choose to be The Tyme, The Thyme, The Thyhm, Flightime, Time in Flight, Morris & the Flytime, or any number of names... Just put the music out, dudes!

Why would they do that when they can just sit back and continue 2 point the finger at Prince?

Well, that would mean that they are lazy in reality and don't really want to put out an album, wouldn't it.

V10LETBLUES said:

Morris Day walked away from Prince's prefab group "The Time" to find fame and Fortune on his own. Good for him! But also leaving Prince and WB high and dry with his pseudo group.

St. Paul walked away from Prince's prefab group "The Family" to go and find fame and fortune on his own. Good for him! But also leaving Prince and WB high and dry with his pseudo group.

So now they all want to come crawling back, bottom lip protruding and pouting. My my, what happened to their dreams of fame and fortune being their own men instead of clinging to their manufactured high-school glory.

I realize people need to make a buck, but having self respect is also important.

I doubt Alan Leeds will come here to try and gather support for a pity party for The Time like he did for FDeluxe, since his brother had no involvement in The Time.

[Edited 8/18/11 7:04am]

Several members of the time are doing quite well.

I don't think Jam and Lewis have anything to worry about moneywise.

And even if they did, it doesn't make Prince's move any less douchey

haters till trying to trash Prince based on speculation

Prince fills stadium, y'all fill toilets

imago said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Morris Day walked away from Prince's prefab group "The Time" to find fame and Fortune on his own. Good for him! But also leaving Prince and WB high and dry with his pseudo group.

St. Paul walked away from Prince's prefab group "The Family" to go and find fame and fortune on his own. Good for him! But also leaving Prince and WB high and dry with his pseudo group.

So now they all want to come crawling back, bottom lip protruding and pouting. My my, what happened to their dreams of fame and fortune being their own men instead of clinging to their manufactured high-school glory.

I realize people need to make a buck, but having self respect is also important.

I doubt Alan Leeds will come here to try and gather support for a pity party for The Time like he did for FDeluxe, since his brother had no involvement in The Time.

[Edited 8/18/11 7:04am]

Several members of the time are doing quite well.

I don't think Jam and Lewis have anything to worry about moneywise.

And even if they did, it doesn't make Prince's move any less douchey

Yes, but I don't think Jam and Lewis are the ones pining for a Time reunion album.

When the Time train moved on without them they were fine. So I do not think they care as much about this.

NelsonR said:

haters till trying to trash Prince based on speculation

Prince fills stadium, y'all fill toilets

If by toilet, you mean yo momma's vagina...then yes...yes we do!

OMG, being high school again is fun!

haters

V10LETBLUES said:

imago said:

Several members of the time are doing quite well.

I don't think Jam and Lewis have anything to worry about moneywise.

And even if they did, it doesn't make Prince's move any less douchey

Yes, but I don't think Jam and Lewis are the ones pining for a Time reunion album.

When the Time train moved on without them they were fine. So I do not think they care as much about this.

I would imagine financially, they wouldn't care about it at all.

But, it doesn't appear it would be that important to Prince. I mean, he's not going to use "The Time" for any of his backing bands. He has that dreadful NPG moniker that he uses.

It just seems an awefully unhelpful gesture to 'old friends' for a 52 year old man whose found Jehova.

imago said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Yes, but I don't think Jam and Lewis are the ones pining for a Time reunion album.

When the Time train moved on without them they were fine. So I do not think they care as much about this.

I would imagine financially, they wouldn't care about it at all.

But, it doesn't appear it would be that important to Prince. I mean, he's not going to use "The Time" for any of his backing bands. He has that dreadful NPG moniker that he uses.

It just seems an awefully unhelpful gesture to 'old friends' for a 52 year old man whose found Jehova.

I think this may have more to do with the classic catalogs for some reason honestly. The "name" issue doesn't seem to make sense. I still think there is legal posturing behind the scenes regarding the original recordings, by both sides. That's where the long term value is. I think the "name" issue is a smokescreen.

And If that's the case, I don't blame Prince protecting his assets. That's his legacy more so than whoever he decided to prop up pretend to be the band of albums he had already recorded.

imago said:

NelsonR said:

haters till trying to trash Prince based on speculation

Prince fills stadium, y'all fill toilets

If by toilet, you mean yo momma's vagina...then yes...yes we do!

OMG, being high school again is fun!

haters

There is something particularly pleasing about being "childish" when you hit the middle years... Oh yeah, it's because you don't really give a shit any more.

Excuses, excuses.

NouveauDance said:

V10LETBLUES said:

Morris Day walked away from Prince's prefab group "The Time" to find fame and Fortune on his own. Good for him! But also leaving Prince and WB high and dry with his pseudo group.

St. Paul walked away from Prince's prefab group "The Family" to go and find fame and fortune on his own. Good for him! But also leaving Prince and WB high and dry with his pseudo group.

So now they all want to come crawling back, bottom lip protruding and pouting. My my, what happened to their dreams of fame and fortune being their own men instead of clinging to their manufactured high-school glory.

I realize people need to make a buck, but having self respect is also important.

I doubt Alan Leeds will come here to try and gather support for a pity party for The Time like he did for FDeluxe, since his brother had no involvement in The Time.

You know full well nothing you listed is that cut and dry.

Exactly. If what the original poster states is true, they wrote the new music entirely without Prince's involvement. They've toured for years under the name of Morris Day & the Time. No one is crawling back to Prince. He's just a controlling asshole.

HonEMan said:

MyJobIz2beCute said:

-Out of the WHOLE Prince camp, from the beginning to now, Prince IS the ONLY one to be In The Rock N' Roll HALL OF FAME!

So, then, its cool for him to ba an asshole? Is this your argument?

^-

-Stop inventing words in my mouth, PLEASE!

_Like I said, PRINCE IS THE ONLY ONE OUT OF THE WHOLE ENTIRE PRINCE CAMP FROM BEGINNING TO END TO BE IN THE ROCK N' ROLL HALL OF FAME!

-What this means is, Prince has to had worked way harder and longer than The Rest.

- Someone told me that ex proteges and exwives come and post at the org and I didn't believe them, UNTIL NOW!

nothing compares to you is nothing without sinead .. family version did nothing .. hits version stunk .. one night alone version was meh .. jungle love is nothing without morris oh e oh e oh

TrevorAyer said:

nothing compares to you is nothing without sinead .. family version did nothing .. hits version stunk .. one night alone version was meh .. jungle love is nothing without morris oh e oh e oh

even if this is true, it has nothing to do with the laughable claim that Prince could not have written those songs without the time.

Tom Joyner is a great source of information, isn't he.

Tom Joyner is a great source of information, isn't he?

imago said:

NelsonR said:

haters till trying to trash Prince based on speculation

Prince fills stadium, y'all fill toilets

If by toilet, you mean yo momma's vagina...then yes...yes we do!

OMG, being high school again is fun!

haters

and people wonder why this site has gone to the dogs...'tis truly pathetic how trolls and haters have come 2 dominate a fan site...

but with that being said, imago and the rest of them are jacking off at home (alone), while Prince gets to make music with Andy, Ida - and millions of people Adore his music

they cannot take that away from him...

[Edited 8/19/11 9:14am]

^-

Hi Andy!

-I mean wanjirie, rida, or what ever that name is.

NelsonR said:

imago said:

If by toilet, you mean yo momma's vagina...then yes...yes we do!

OMG, being high school again is fun!

haters

and people wonder why this site has gone to the dogs...'tis truly pathetic how trolls and haters have come 2 dominate a fan site...

but with that being said, imago and the rest of them are jacking off at home (alone), while Prince gets to make music with Andy, Ida - and millions of people Adore his music

they cannot take that away from him...

[Edited 8/19/11 9:14am]

Katy Perry and Mylie Cyres have larger audiences.

I'm not sure how this detracts from Prince's doucheyness, but I'm sure you'll find some

logic to your drivel.

imago said:

NelsonR said:

and people wonder why this site has gone to the dogs...'tis truly pathetic how trolls and haters have come 2 dominate a fan site...

but with that being said, imago and the rest of them are jacking off at home (alone), while Prince gets to make music with Andy, Ida - and millions of people Adore his music

they cannot take that away from him...

[Edited 8/19/11 9:14am]

Katy Perry and Mylie Cyres have larger audiences.

I'm not sure how this detracts from Prince's doucheyness, but I'm sure you'll find some

logic to your drivel.

hi troll, what does numbers have to do with anything...Prince schooled thosed people...they are his students and admire him

NelsonR said:

imago said:

Katy Perry and Mylie Cyres have larger audiences.

I'm not sure how this detracts from Prince's doucheyness, but I'm sure you'll find some

logic to your drivel.

hi troll, what does numbers have to do with anything...Prince schooled thosed people...they are his students and admire him

You brought up the 'millions'.

Your logic is.....not working.

Prince = douche regardless of the numbers.

BTW, I'm actually a much better fan than you. We voted on it once.

imago said:

NelsonR said:

hi troll, what does numbers have to do with anything...Prince schooled thosed people...they are his students and admire him

You brought up the 'millions'.

Your logic is.....not working.

Prince = douche regardless of the numbers.

BTW, I'm actually a much better fan than you. We voted on it once.

no, try again...u r actually the pure definition of troll...some1 whose parents obviously rejected him/her...and now finds love trying to upset people who appreciate Prince and his art...a life?