cbarnes3121 said:

i like what he doing for these artist

What's he doing for them?

Putting them center stage to inherit a little attention and a lot of scrutiny from the Prince loyalist? Yipee. Nobody knows or cares really....and when he's done with them, their careers will be D.O.A.

thisisit said:

mozfonky said:

I relate, I was close to my real father, he died when I was 9, left me open to looking for father figures. I used to really believe my mentor was selfless, when I learned that my own father figure/guru/martial arts teacher/employer only really cared about money and power, I'm ashamed to say it almost drove me crazy. I was so enmeshed with him and did so much work and got too involved with his family and when I tired of being a perfect employee/son/etc.., it made them hate me. I'm still not the same 10 years later but I'm glad not to be involved with the whole situation anymore. At least you caught on and I believe you are right, just as most mentors are there for those reasons and most students are better off fending for themselves. It's sad as hell that you don't talk to him, I can't judge any of that, my teacher could have at least maintained a friendly relationship but the ego doesn't allow that, things got bad. In many ways, I think it ruined me. But we have to carry on the best we can.

thank you for sharing that. i can relate to your story too.

whenever i questioned my father, or suggested something different, or said no, his 'genuine help' would turn into 'bitter condemnation'. he'd completely turn on me and tell me i was an idiot.

when i got older and learned a bit more about the way some people work, and he kept treating me that way, thats when i saw through it.

he just wanted me to accept his ideas, but he didnt realise that by continually telling me i should do this or i should do that, he was inadvertently showing disapproval of where i was at.

its all folly. "you will be 'better' when you listen to ME and do as i say". hmm. nope. i dont buy it anymore.

i love him but i cant carry him the way he needs me to and i wont allow anyone to belittle me anymore, just because i have my own mind. thats not a good enough reason to belittle anyone.

i'm sorry you've had a similar experience, you say it may have ruined you, i'm sorry to hear that. its hard sometimes i know but ur right to say we have to carry on best we can.

i felt really liberated when i finally stood up to my father. i became free that day, and its a good feeling to know i'll never let anyone do that to me ever again.

i hope you feel good too.

It was wonderful having my life back again after trying to keep so many people happy for so long and not having enough time for myself. I really try to stay away from people now, and don't apologize for it, whatever labels people may want to call that antisocial or whatever. I have too little patience now for common human shortcomings and write people off at the drop of a hat. But I think that happens to everyone to some degree, like I say, we carry on. Life is not easy for any of us but it is wonderful and worth living and worth avoiding the darker aspects of human nature.

mozfonky said:

thisisit said:

thank you for sharing that. i can relate to your story too.

whenever i questioned my father, or suggested something different, or said no, his 'genuine help' would turn into 'bitter condemnation'. he'd completely turn on me and tell me i was an idiot.

when i got older and learned a bit more about the way some people work, and he kept treating me that way, thats when i saw through it.

he just wanted me to accept his ideas, but he didnt realise that by continually telling me i should do this or i should do that, he was inadvertently showing disapproval of where i was at.

its all folly. "you will be 'better' when you listen to ME and do as i say". hmm. nope. i dont buy it anymore.

i love him but i cant carry him the way he needs me to and i wont allow anyone to belittle me anymore, just because i have my own mind. thats not a good enough reason to belittle anyone.

i'm sorry you've had a similar experience, you say it may have ruined you, i'm sorry to hear that. its hard sometimes i know but ur right to say we have to carry on best we can.

i felt really liberated when i finally stood up to my father. i became free that day, and its a good feeling to know i'll never let anyone do that to me ever again.

i hope you feel good too.

It was wonderful having my life back again after trying to keep so many people happy for so long and not having enough time for myself. I really try to stay away from people now, and don't apologize for it, whatever labels people may want to call that antisocial or whatever. I have too little patience now for common human shortcomings and write people off at the drop of a hat. But I think that happens to everyone to some degree, like I say, we carry on. Life is not easy for any of us but it is wonderful and worth living and worth avoiding the darker aspects of human nature.

mm i hear you. i've been a hermit for 10 years for the same reasons. i have a lot to protect, including myself.

all the best to you.

mozfonky said:

yeah, when you consider all the raw talent out here which will never be heard, people who can pull those things off are a travesty..It's the nature of the business and the nature of men who'll go for style over substance anyday. Out of all the women he's worked with, most of them remind of the kind of women who sing at home, or in the car and think they have lots of talent. Vanity, Appolonia, Carmen Electra, hell I can't even recite all their names but you know who they are. He's also worked with real talent but most times hasn't had romantic interest with a Rosie Gaines, a Boni Boyer, etc.., etc.., I've heard ingrid Chavez had a real strong album and Prince was quoted as saying he wouldn't release it because he was afraid it woud change the course of music and thus upstage him. Don't know how true that is, I listened to a few of Ingrids songs, they don't do much for me, but then I haven't really listened. It's sad that he never supported Rosie Gaines in her solo efforts, I've always loved her style. W&L were ok as creative partners (if all the stories are true) but even they weren't anything to write home about as far as musicianship. Sheila of course stands on her own with or without Prince and so does Rhonda. I am of the belief that people don't change and Prince has been using the "I can make you a star" line since Vanity and I'm sure that's what he's still doing. I didn't think the Valente cd was terrible but it was terribly unremarkable for Prince to be producing. Hell, as bad as Vanity was, those songs were fucking great.

You made some great points!

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Timmy84 said:

EyeJester7 said:

Hahaha...I never thought of this possibility? LOL. I am sure he does in a way. Prince does not realize he is 53 because time does not exist. Haha. Which explains why he still looks the same over the years..Haha. But he might like that image? LOL. He seems to "COOl" for that though..lol

Who knows? But it looks odd. Even that photo of them with Prince hugging her from the back and she has this nervous look on her face, it doesn't look so romantic... idk lol

I'm too lazy to look for this pic, can someone repost it? Forgive me for the laziness

babyjubilation said:

I thought "father figure" was a Prince song

Listening 2 the song right now.

I tought U were gonna post summin about Prince/Allo releasing some demo duet for the George Michael Song

Edit:

oops...looks like others thought of the same joke.

[Edited 7/18/11 18:24pm]

As the father of an amazing young woman i would love if prince in some way was enjoying that kind of connection to Andy. However i think his business track record is something she should steer clear of, she has the look and image to be a star in her own right.

dreamshaman32 said:

As the father of an amazing young woman i would love if prince in some way was enjoying that kind of connection to Andy. However i think his business track record is something she should steer clear of, she has the look and image to be a star in her own right.

Good advice, Dad, since being a Prince protege has put the kabosh on many potential careers...

yes he dose