deebee said:

bellanoche said:

I agree with the first part of what you said about Islam, though I have no problems with the tenets of that religion or any other if it serves an intended purpose in people's lvies. And I do get how some might think Prince isn't the biggest champion of woman's rights when it comes to his romantic relationships or his early presentation of women as sex kittens.

However, lyrically his songs have never degraded women in the ways that others have, which is one reason why I think so many women love listening to even his racier material. Also, for decades Prince has employed women as musicians and managers, designers, stylists, sound engineers, etc. He has not been afraid to place women upfront in his bands. They were not all in the Vanity 6 vein. Look at Sheila, Gayle, Candy, Rhonda, Wendy, Lisa, Ida, Rosie, Bonnie, Liv, Shelby, Tamar, etc. They have all been showcased positively for their talent and not as just womenfolk or window dressing. None of them were relegated to the background or subservient positions to the men in the band. He has helped many women take their careers to the next level. So I don't think he is as big a chauvinist as some think.

Good point, which is well taken.

I agree Deebee, Bella has made an excellent point regarding that. Not to mention other female musicians/artists that he has publically expressed admiration and respect for, as well as, those that have either opened a show for him/whose talents he's showcased/sang on a track with him/or performed with him on stage:

Chaka Khan

Patti LaBelle

Joni Mitchell

Anita Baker

Janelle Monae

Nikka Costa

Mary J. Blige

Erykah Badu

Alicia Keys

Lalah Hathaway

Misty Copeland

Esperanza Spalding

Gwen Stefani

Amel Larrieux

Andy Allo

Just to name a few

[Edited 6/24/11 17:45pm]

bellanoche said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Everyone who has read this quote and goes to his future concerts should start booing/jeering very loudly every time he starts playing other artists' songs. Seriously.

I think his comment is related to recording the music not performing it live. Also, why would one boo an artist for covering a song at a concert? That is juvenile. He is entitled to his beliefs about other people recording his music. Why should we boo or jeer an artist we paid money to see perform live? If someone feels so strongly about this opinion, they should just stay at home.

purpleparty3000 said:

I think you lot need to chill out! It's not that bad what was said and was it actualy said! Prince has always pushed the fans to the edge of a love/hate relationship, keeps us interested.But you lot are acting like aload of crazy nutters! Prince has always had strange views on most things! You lot should be used to it by now! There's worst things to worry about than a Prince winde up, Like no new album, oh I forgot you all think his new stuff is shit,shut the org down , the Internet is dead!

I agree.

Hey prince....

Frank Zappa called he says you're Dumb All Over...

and a little ugly on the side too!

Cool! Can't wait to hear the new album bruh!!

BlackandRising said:

JudasSmile said:

There is an excerpt from an interview with Prince here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk...CMP=twt_fd

Prince said: "It's fun being in Islamic countries, to know there's only one religion. There's order. You wear a burqa. There's no choice. People are happy with that." When asked about the fate of those unhappy with having no choice, he replied: "There are people who are unhappy with everything. There's a dark side to everything."

This is the first time that I have ever read anything that Prince has said where my first and most valid thought was "fuck EVERYTHING about this".

For him to imply that a society that adheres to a theocracy is "fun" when women are literally second class citizens, stoned to death or flogged because they are raped...in other words held responsible for every ill in society whereas men are excused because everything they do that is a sin is a direct result of women, is, in a word, fucked. I have literally contemplated not buying anything else he does record for this one statement, if it is indeed what he said, because it encompasses everything that is wrong with religion. There's order, which is great, so what if women are subjected to the most heinous lives one can imagine? Some people bitch about everything..being beheaded, raped, flogged, having acid thrown in one's face, being gay and hanging for it, etc., etc., etc.

He's better come out and clarify this statement. It's the most abhorrent thing he's ever said in my opinion.

"there's order. you wear a burka." err correction prince, WOMEN wear a burka. the reason prince thinks its fun being in islamic countries is because they have order over their women. he claims to love women but the reality is he's always felt threatened by strong minded women. the clues have always been there, such as depicting the anti christ as a whore in annie christian, which now seems even more sinister in light of these comments.

These quotes about burka and islamic countries are something that I couldnt imagine guys like Dylan or Wonder saying. I still believe Prince is a musical genius, but unfortunately, he doesnt seem to be an intellectual guy with politic knowledge, IMO. Dont know if he said that to be controversial or if he really believes it, but anyway, I disagree with his point of view.

electricberet said:

PenelopePaige said:

I agree with this wholeheartedly but when I first came on this site and posed the LEGITIMATE question; "Does Prince have mental health issues?" everyone ripped me a new asshole. But the longer you sit back and observe the more obvious it becomes...

I bet there are women on this site who are out shopping for a burqa now so they can join Prince's harem. I don't know if he is mentally ill or not but I certainly wouldn't rule it out.

Well hell, guess I'll just go back to watching the trial of the century.

[Edited 6/24/11 17:05pm]

boristhespie said:

I have been a big fan since the early 80's and seen him in concert numeroua times, spending large amounts of hard earned and limited cash on these. I have most of his albums, not all, but again lost of hard earned and limites money being apwnt on him and with him. I even joined his websites. But... It is time to draw a a line on suporting this idiot and longer. In a number of interviews it is clear this self important arse has nothing but contempt for me, a fan. He shits on us. Rips us off with his internet sites which appear like little more than fleece scams. He lives in a rarefied world of self righteousness self importance where his utter confidence in himself sees him treat people with utter disdain and financially ruiness shennanigans. He accepts zero criticism but the worst is the way he fucks over those who put him where he is. But such ia his delusional self importance that he thinks it's all down to himself and HIS talent. Peraonally I just don't care for this clearly unpleasant ego maniac anymore. I care enough to call him what he is. A scuzzball. The sooner people who ran sites like this decide to let this guy feel the tumbleweed of indifference the better. Maybe through being foegottwn and ledt all on his own to maintain his delusional world would he maybe just maybe acknowledge he owes a debt of gratitude and a modicum of respect to us his onetime fans. But the reality is this idiot will never acknowledge such a thing. Even if he finds himself alone and despised in his flowery cushioned temple.

Goodbye

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

He also let U talk 2 him face 2 face & this is how U repay him? He is just imagining how he wants the world 2 b. But he can live how he wants. No one else have 2 live that way. What is wrong with him wanting the world 2 live by one religion?

KC, I know the conversation has moved on somewhat, but I just want to clarify: I have never met Prince "face 2 face". That was MC and Captain. Not me. I drew the shortstraw haha. Secondly, I would like to think I would have still said the exact same thing had he said that comment to me (and I am hoping as Funkenberry suggests that it was taken out of context anyway). I am not trying to gag him and tell him he shouldn't say what he feels, all I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with speaking out against someone's comments if you feel they are incorrect - which is all I have done.

What's wrong with him wanting the world to live by one religion? Well, I'm sure his heart is in the right place - but religion is not the answer IMO. But that's another thread altogether

Like I said way earlier in the thread, it's kind of silly to go off on the published article when you KNOW there was no context. Look at the context in the more recent articles.

What is wrong with him wanting the world 2 live by one religion?

Gosh you are such a stan.

I used to think Prince was 'different' in a 'harmless crazy' kinda way....like he was from 'another planet'....and it was all a created character he 'played' for the press.... do we believe the guardian interview to be 'true' or the comments from the french paper...

who knows...who cares....I think by Prince's own actions he has pretty much screwed up his career in the 'industry'...which maybe is his goal....

so the only option left for Prince's 'fans' is to see him live...nice if u live anywhere near where he's playing.....or get bootlegs...

whatever .....

[Edited 6/24/11 17:39pm]

Prince's religious views are really disheartening… I'm crazy about his music I'm becoming less sure how much I like the man. A lot of his opinions and the things he said in the past decade… I can't agree with them or look past them.

from page 3 of this thread:

toejam said:

thisisit said:

"order, unity, humility, i like that. stillness speaks. noise doesnt. we're flesh and blood, not data. piracy is for pirates. my ship sails free."

thats what i'm hearing.

You mean, that's what you're cherry picking (http://en.wikipedia.org/w...fallacy%29)

thanks dr funk for the diagnosis: "whatever u think... is true"

bellanoche said:

WaterInYourBath said:

Everyone who has read this quote and goes to his future concerts should start booing/jeering very loudly every time he starts playing other artists' songs. Seriously.

I think his comment is related to recording the music not performing it live. Also, why would one boo an artist for covering a song at a concert? That is juvenile. He is entitled to his beliefs about other people recording his music. Why should we boo or jeer an artist we paid money to see perform live? If someone feels so strongly about this opinion, they should just stay at home.

You can assume that, but that is NOT what he explicitly stated. And yes, people do need to deride this man for doing exactly what he always preaches against. He's booing other artists for doing what he does himself all the time, therefore, why shouldn't he be booed as well? What puts him above anyone else? So, what, he's exempt from adhering to his own so-called principles? Whether he's referring to studio covers or not, either way, no one outside of his circle can perform his music without him insulting them, but he can stand up with entitlement somewhere and randomly cover songs like Which Way Is Up during his shows, or go in his recording booth and "ruin" La-La (Means I Love You)?

I really can't believe you can still support his constant hypocrisy regarding this topic. And my comment is juvenile? Yeah, no, it's not. It's just an example of treating him the way he treats others.

Timmy84 said:

bellanoche said:

I think his comment is related to recording the music not performing it live. Also, why would one boo an artist for covering a song at a concert? That is juvenile. He is entitled to his beliefs about other people recording his music. Why should we boo or jeer an artist we paid money to see perform live? If someone feels so strongly about this opinion, they should just stay at home.

Because it's alright if Prince does it but if anyone just as talented like say, maybe, oh who, Foo Fighters or Nine Inch Nails did it, then "oh that's wrong because no one can do my songs!" I share his sentiment over Glee but come the fuck on lol I love Robyn's cover of "Jack U Off" but if Prince did "Let's Get It On" and I'm not feeling it. Oh yeah I got a right to jeer just like he got the right to say "don't sing my shit". Right now, someone posted a thread about some Bosnian singer stealing "When Doves Cry". He needs to get on that. Oh wait, he don't have a computer or a phone, oh I forgot. My bad.

Exactly. I didn't even see your post yet before I reponded, lol. Nevertheless: Perfect explanation.

Spinlight said:

bellanoche said:

I think his comment is related to recording the music not performing it live. Also, why would one boo an artist for covering a song at a concert? That is juvenile. He is entitled to his beliefs about other people recording his music. Why should we boo or jeer an artist we paid money to see perform live? If someone feels so strongly about this opinion, they should just stay at home.

What part are you unclear about? Prince does not like people covering his music period - recorded or live. The end of it. He doesn't like people giving out covers of his music for free and he doesn't like artists to pay tribute to his legacy.

He does, however, feel compelled to carry on the legacy of his predecessors. And that reflects poorly on both him and his idols.

And thus, he needs to stick to his own catalog when performing, and never record another cover again.

thisisit said:

from page 3 of this thread:

toejam said:

You mean, that's what you're cherry picking (http://en.wikipedia.org/w...fallacy%29)

thanks dr funk for the diagnosis: "whatever u think... is true"

Not that Funkenberry has any evidence of that "fact". Baseless claim. But let's leave that for the P&R forum...

Looks like evil Darth Prince from the TRC era is back....well ok, he never really left....

Dude needs an exorcism....

bellanoche said:

laurarichardson said:

While I do not agree with the tenets of Islam millions of people are practicing Muslims. If Prince agrees with one of the core beliefs that does not make him or those millions of people cretins. Some of you guys need to get off of this hating of religion and realize people have the freedom to worship as they please. As far as Prince being for the submission of woman I guess you have not been listening to his music over the last 30 odd years. He always came off as a knuckle dragging type of guy. I think he is the last guy that would be at a woman’s equality rally.

I agree with the first part of what you said about Islam, though I have no problems with the tenets of that religion or any other if it serves an intended purpose in people's lvies. And I do get how some might think Prince isn't the biggest champion of woman's rights when it comes to his romantic relationships or his early presentation of women as sex kittens.

However, lyrically his songs have never degraded women in the ways that others have, which is one reason why I think so many women love listening to even his racier material. Also, for decades Prince has employed women as musicians and managers, designers, stylists, sound engineers, etc. He has not been afraid to place women upfront in his bands. They were not all in the Vanity 6 vein. Look at Sheila, Gayle, Candy, Rhonda, Wendy, Lisa, Ida, Rosie, Bonnie, Liv, Shelby, Tamar, etc. They have all been showcased positively for their talent and not as just womenfolk or window dressing. None of them were relegated to the background or subservient positions to the men in the band. He has helped many women take their careers to the next level. So I don't think he is as big a chauvinist as some think.

[Edited 6/24/11 14:45pm]

Well, if it´s out of context or fake and they changed his words, it´s up to him to sue the Guardian. He loves to fight against illegal stuff.

muleFunk said:

NuPwrSoul said:

damage control?

Very possible.

What disturbs me is people take what they see on the web as gospel. It's to the point that everything is taken literally or out of context.

Then the public makes a mountain out of a molehill. In the grand scheme of things regardless to his point or what was said or meant this is small.

Good to see you are still around to bring balance to the Force !

I pop up every now and then. Good to see you too

muleFunk said:

http://www.drfunkenberry.com/

Another version of the same interview by a different paper via the Doc.

Now I'm really confused.

Dr. Funkenberry says that he's going with the article that was written by "Le Parisian". I Googled that and couldn't find anything. However, I did find Le Parisien but I still can't find the article.

Anybody got the link?

This is why his dumbass should allow the interviewer to record the interviews so that he/she can go back to it to make sure everything's correct. He's so paranoid about someone selling the recording to allegedly "make money" off of his voice. Get the hell over yourself, dude. I mean, seriously. You're not the goose that lays golden eggs. You ain't no hot-selling commodity like you were back in the day, no matter what you think of yourself. No real money would be made even IF the recording would be "sold". He talks in so many damn riddles that you can't blame the interviewer for possibly misconstruing something he said. But really, I'm sure the Guardian's version is pretty accurate. The Parisian one just seems to be damage control due to the backlash he knew his ass was gonna receive.

At one point in this interview, he says he wishes he could walk down the street without being noticed. Then, he tells a story of, way early in his career, when he was dressed in rags cuz of helping someone move and a couple of girls THOUGHT it was him but changed their minds and went about their business. Then, he says that was the last time he went outside looking raggedy. But wasn't his "raggedy" look what actually gave him privacy at that time? So, he's saying he'd rather dress up like a flamboyant peacock and get noticed by EVERYONE???? Isn't that exactly what he said he didn't want?!? The hypocrisy of this guy is fuckin' mind blowing!!!! What a damn idiot.

I, personally, couldn't care less that he's not releasing any more shit for a while. Prince, as the artist he is now, wasn't getting my money any longer anyhow, live or recordings. It's ALL going to be OLD shit that I seek and obtain. His shit is boring now anyway, so no skin off my nose.

Oh, and about those Purple Rain shows he got tired of doing...I'd rather hear/see his out-of-this world performances of "Baby, I'm A Star" than an ENTIRE Welcome 2 America show. He may have been bored to death doing those shows, but they were loads better than anything he's doing now.

Some of the comments here are sad Prince is going to do and say what he wants at the end of the day. *shrugs*

Actually Prince (has) met in person, face to face,

numerous Muslim women, men and children.

[Edited 6/24/11 19:24pm]

I can't believe posters like LOVEVERY1 get away with their shit yet the mods are bloodthirsty for other people. Hilarious.