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PrintableSupernova said: Brendan said: JonSnow said: i agree with the notion that Parade is an "astonishingly rewarding near-miss". It would have been nice for some of the tracks to have been a bit longer, especially New Position. Imagine a 4-minute version of New Position as the 2nd single??
Like so many Prince albums, Parade wasn't served well by the choice of singles. Kiss was a natural, but Mountains was a poor choice. I assume that the obvious choice for 2nd single, Girls and Boys, was passed over in the US because at the time it would have been too steamy for US radio (the cutest ass...). But I've always felt that Anotherlover.. would have been a top 10 hit had it followed Kiss, if it had a cool video. I can't imagine a 4-minute single of "New Position", as it is far too challenging and quirky for the mainstream. About that specific song I tend to agree with you, but at the same time many people at WB thought the same thing about "When Doves Cry" when they first heard it...actually so did I. That song was just something I couldn't put a finger on as to WHY I found it odd at the time. Good point. But I just don't hear the potential in this being turned into a golden pop song. But I've been proven wrong so many times that I wouldn't be surprised if Prince pulls out a 4-minute version at some point that completely blows my mind. But I understand what you're saying. I feel the acoustic version of "Welcome 2 the Dawn" could potentially be turned into a fully-developed anthem nearly on par with "Purple Rain." Perhaps he already has and it's sitting in the vault with a thousand or so other songs. 
Am I completely wrong about "Welcome 2 the Dawn's" potential? Will I end up looking like a fool stating such an opinion? Quite possibly. But that's what I hear, so if others hear great potential in developing some of the tracks further on "Parade", you might be absolutely right. But I'm loving them they way they are now, undeveloped, that's all I'm saying.
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I love this album, but I agree with Supernova. I sort of think Kiss should have been on a different album or something. Like in the movie and they are sitting in the car. I just didn't like that song in that moment of the film, it doesn't seem like the right song or something. | |
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rdhull said: I think he may have thought there was nothing powerful as Kiss for release..this was radio back in the 80's remember. It was the time of the big masive hit to get you hooked etc. I think in time sinc ehe has reconsidered much of his material including that on Parade...he has brought back Sometimes It Snows and UTCM in the ninities at certain performances etc.
Can he bring back Anotherloverholeinyohead already???    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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rdhull said: purpleone said: i've heard more people say they love 'wonderful ass'; i think this is one of prince's weakest tracks of the 80's. that and 'good love'. there's nothing interesting happening in 'wonderful ass' and lyrically it's kind of simple imo. 'good love' sounds cheesy. lyrically i don't really know. i haven't been able to make myself really listen to it, but i think the title says all.
I ablsolutely HATE Good Love..its such a stupid song musically ..and a throwaway. I dont care if it has Camille as the vocalist.  No technicolor children in Picadilly Sq??  I love that damn song! I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Supernova said: JonSnow said: Supernova said: JonSnow said: Like so many Prince albums, Parade wasn't served well by the choice of singles. Kiss was a natural, but Mountains was a poor choice. I assume that the obvious choice for 2nd single, Girls and Boys, was passed over in the US because at the time it would have been too steamy for US radio (the cutest ass...). But I've always felt that Anotherlover.. would have been a top 10 hit had it followed Kiss, if it had a cool video.
I tend to doubt it; "Little Red Corvette" had the lyrics "girl got an ass like I've never seen" and it was one of his biggest singles in the US. The single edit of LRC did not include that section. The version on The Hits V.2 is the album version. I know, but more times than not the album version is what I used to hear on the radio. Even today. Yea, I heard that "ass" line on the radio all the time. If I'm not mistaken, isn't it in the video too? Ass a plenty on the airwaves... I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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lovebizzare said:[quote]rdhull said:[quote] lovebizzare said: rdhull said: lovebizzare said: oh, okay, I haven't read the book in ages, so I vaguely rememeber what it said. I've always thought the only reason why Wendy became the "star" was because of his relationship with Susanna therefore when that ended--nevermind.
She was made a star due to her positioning in the PR film and tour ..I believe that was before Prnce started dating her sister. somehow the break-up of the Revolution always confuses me, since I don't see Wendy as being big-headed.
Boy, I can't wait til EverLastingNow reads this. Well of course there is going to be bad blood etc but lets see..Wendy had no problem with her sister going out with Prince knowing his track record etc. And yes maybe things did not work out betwen them and he was somewhat cruel lets say..aren't you a professional? Everything is peaches n cream as long as you got you firm positioon in Princes thing, got your sister even fronting a group by Prince (the family) but heaven friggin forebid things go wrong relationship wise..cool. Begone..SOTT and Lovesexy are brewing on the backburner. 1st- He started dating Susanna somewhere in '83
And then Im sure most knew she would not be exclusive for the most part at that beginning 2nd- Wendy DID have a problem with her sister dating Prince
when..at thebeginning? Only thing I know of is that she had a problem having her be so involved together in what she did...never showed at the beginning when she was being made a star 3rd- I'm not putting it all on Prince, I just think there are other factors in the breakup of The Revolution besides Wendy's supposed "big head". Matt Finnk and Bobby Z. also had a problem with Wally & Greg, I suppose they had a big head too.
I know others had issues as Matt said so...but it was Wendy who made a pressing issue of it and in her manner. And Im not putting it all on Prince either..Im putting it heavily on Wendy. how did she make a pressing issue of it? I'm guessing you're not very fond of Wendy, are you?
huh? But yes you are guessing..whats what I said have to do with whether or not Im fond of her? Im going by what was reported and written. I guess you are very fond of her..Im guessing here. And with the whole Susanna thing, yes, she had a problem since the begining, she just didn't make a big issue out of it, but she did complain about it a lot (mainly to lisa-of course).
I'm not saying Wendy was the perfect angel, thank you I'm sure she did & said many things that pissed Prince off,
thank you but I don't think she's the cause of the break up.
did she not say they were no longer comfortable anymore and that it was not working out..did she? Maybe she did like being the star, she was very young then and not used to hving a lot of attention, so I imagine she liked it very much, wouldn't you? Keep in mind this girl was only 19 then, if you were in Wendy's position what would you do? And she didn't make herself the star, Prince did. Don't you think he's to blame a little?
lol Also as you would know twords the end of his relationship with Susanna, he wasn't treating her very well, so I'm sur Wendy starting shooting her mouth off then..
thank you..as I had mentioned before..where's the professionalism...leting personal issues in the way which may be understandable but still. I gues she wasn't being totally honest in her Rolling stone interview then eh? I Susanna had not been in the picture at all, I doubt Prince would've made Wendy the "star", he favoured her only because of Susanna.
even though I dont believe this, what does this have to do with anything? p.s. ..everybody..dont ever say anything bad about Wendy and Lisa or Ms Jenkins  "Climb in my fur." | |
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I'm suprised to find some rather negative comments about Parade here. I think it's one of his very best, I especially dig the sound of it. I agree though, that the whole is better then it's single parts.
I can't stop listening to how "Girls&Boys" goes into "Life Can B So Nice"! For me, Wendy said it perfectly: "That was just Prince doing something else." | |
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Parade is my fav. P. album, and IMO - Kiss is the worst track on it, it doesn't fit at all. --------------------
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CalhounSq said: Supernova said: JonSnow said: Supernova said: JonSnow said: Like so many Prince albums, Parade wasn't served well by the choice of singles. Kiss was a natural, but Mountains was a poor choice. I assume that the obvious choice for 2nd single, Girls and Boys, was passed over in the US because at the time it would have been too steamy for US radio (the cutest ass...). But I've always felt that Anotherlover.. would have been a top 10 hit had it followed Kiss, if it had a cool video.
I tend to doubt it; "Little Red Corvette" had the lyrics "girl got an ass like I've never seen" and it was one of his biggest singles in the US. The single edit of LRC did not include that section. The version on The Hits V.2 is the album version. I know, but more times than not the album version is what I used to hear on the radio. Even today. Yea, I heard that "ass" line on the radio all the time. If I'm not mistaken, isn't it in the video too? Ass a plenty on the airwaves... I don't remember it being in the video, I think they used the single edit. Everytime I saw it on different video channels they'd always play the same single edit version too. But of course that doesn't necessarily mean there can't be a longer version of the video. There were times when the "Doves" video was cut short for the single edit, but seeing that album version of the song wasn't rare at all. At least not back then. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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Yeah, there's a few times you can catch the long version to LRC where he says "ass" and then yelps on screen hehe. "Climb in my fur." | |
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Supernova said: I don't remember it being in the video, I think they used the single edit. Everytime I saw it on different video channels they'd always play the same single edit version too. But of course that doesn't necessarily mean there can't be a longer version of the video. There were times when the "Doves" video was cut short for the single edit, but seeing that album version of the song wasn't rare at all. At least not back then.
I have heard the album version on the radio, but more recently. nowadays, the word "ass" is all over the radio. But in 1982 and 1983, it was a different story. Even as late as the early 90's, the single edit of "Gett Off" was edited to mask the word "ass". Remember when George Michael's "I want your Sex" was realeased in the late 80's? Everyone made a big deal about it. If that song were released today, nobody would even raise an eyebrow. Radio has changed. Although I suppose it's possible that some stations played the album version back in the early 80's. Just because I never heard it doesn't mean that it didn't occur. And - if that wasn't the reason Girls & Boys wasn't the 2nd single from Parade... then why? It was the obvious choice, clearly the most commercial track on the album apart from Kiss. [This message was edited Sun Feb 9 12:11:25 PST 2003 by JonSnow] | |
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rdhull said:[quote]lovebizzare said:[quote]rdhull said:[quote] lovebizzare said: rdhull said: lovebizzare said: oh, okay, I haven't read the book in ages, so I vaguely rememeber what it said. I've always thought the only reason why Wendy became the "star" was because of his relationship with Susanna therefore when that ended--nevermind.
She was made a star due to her positioning in the PR film and tour ..I believe that was before Prnce started dating her sister. somehow the break-up of the Revolution always confuses me, since I don't see Wendy as being big-headed.
Boy, I can't wait til EverLastingNow reads this. Well of course there is going to be bad blood etc but lets see..Wendy had no problem with her sister going out with Prince knowing his track record etc. And yes maybe things did not work out betwen them and he was somewhat cruel lets say..aren't you a professional? Everything is peaches n cream as long as you got you firm positioon in Princes thing, got your sister even fronting a group by Prince (the family) but heaven friggin forebid things go wrong relationship wise..cool. Begone..SOTT and Lovesexy are brewing on the backburner. 1st- He started dating Susanna somewhere in '83
And then Im sure most knew she would not be exclusive for the most part at that beginning 2nd- Wendy DID have a problem with her sister dating Prince
when..at thebeginning? Only thing I know of is that she had a problem having her be so involved together in what she did...never showed at the beginning when she was being made a star 3rd- I'm not putting it all on Prince, I just think there are other factors in the breakup of The Revolution besides Wendy's supposed "big head". Matt Finnk and Bobby Z. also had a problem with Wally & Greg, I suppose they had a big head too.
I know others had issues as Matt said so...but it was Wendy who made a pressing issue of it and in her manner. And Im not putting it all on Prince either..Im putting it heavily on Wendy. how did she make a pressing issue of it? I'm guessing you're not very fond of Wendy, are you?
huh? But yes you are guessing..whats what I said have to do with whether or not Im fond of her? Im going by what was reported and written. I guess you are very fond of her..Im guessing here. And with the whole Susanna thing, yes, she had a problem since the begining, she just didn't make a big issue out of it, but she did complain about it a lot (mainly to lisa-of course).
I'm not saying Wendy was the perfect angel, thank you I'm sure she did & said many things that pissed Prince off,
thank you but I don't think she's the cause of the break up.
did she not say they were no longer comfortable anymore and that it was not working out..did she? Maybe she did like being the star, she was very young then and not used to hving a lot of attention, so I imagine she liked it very much, wouldn't you? Keep in mind this girl was only 19 then, if you were in Wendy's position what would you do? And she didn't make herself the star, Prince did. Don't you think he's to blame a little?
lol Also as you would know twords the end of his relationship with Susanna, he wasn't treating her very well, so I'm sur Wendy starting shooting her mouth off then..
thank you..as I had mentioned before..where's the professionalism...leting personal issues in the way which may be understandable but still. I gues she wasn't being totally honest in her Rolling stone interview then eh? I Susanna had not been in the picture at all, I doubt Prince would've made Wendy the "star", he favoured her only because of Susanna.
even though I dont believe this, what does this have to do with anything?
Well, you brought up Wendy being the "star", so I'm saying why I think prince made her that. p.s. ..everybody..dont ever say anything bad about Wendy and Lisa or Ms Jenkins
All I'm saying is that I don't think she is "heavily to balme" as you said for the break-up, I think that prince wanted to do somethind new and go in a new direction, That's why I feel the revolution broke up. Your entiled to your own opinion, I just don't agree with it. p.s. People can say whatever they want, as I've said before I'm sure Wendy was quite a bitch at times, but I don't think she's totally to blame. ~KiKi | |
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lovebizzare said: Your entiled to your own opinion, I just don't agree with it.
You've made that quite clear
p.s. People can say whatever they want,
you sure about that? as I've said before I'm sure Wendy was quite a bitch at times,
thank you but I don't think she's totally to blame.
Totally..no..heavily..yes . [This message was edited Sun Feb 9 12:21:56 PST 2003 by rdhull] "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: lovebizzare said: Your entiled to your own opinion, I just don't agree with it.
You've made that quite clear Well, is that a problem? p.s. People can say whatever they want,
you sure about that?
I meant about W&L, I don't worship them and belive they can do no wrong or anything as I've said before I'm sure Wendy was quite a bitch at times,
thank you but I don't think she's totally to blame.
Totally..no..heavily..yes
well maybe... . [This message was edited Sun Feb 9 12:21:56 PST 2003 by rdhull] ~KiKi | |
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origmnd said: How come Prince said only "Kiss"
was worthwhile on Parade. Meanwhile he had countless tracks available to his disposal?? Cause they didn't fit into the flow of the film? Maybe ... I have to admit, I don't remember Prince saying this! I remember him saying that 'Parade' was (at the time) the only album he'd released that he wasn't totally happy with. He expanded on this by saying that he didn't think the album was fully finished, and given more time he would have probably made some changes. The first thing he would have changed would have been removing 'Kiss', as he didn't think it fitted on the album. | |
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lovebizzare said:[quote] rdhull said: lovebizzare said: Your entiled to your own opinion, I just don't agree with it.
You've made that quite clear Well, is that a problem?
No..its just that I laugh when folks say that becasue even though its just an opinion and thats what "they" say, they sure do put up a fight over it...for being just "an opinion that one is entitled to" p.s. People can say whatever they want,
you sure about that?
I meant about W&L, I don't worship them and belive they can do no wrong or anything
..of course you dont worship them and believe they can do no wrong or anything but I don't think she's totally to blame.
Totally..no..heavily..yes
well maybe...
careful there..you are almost agreeing with what I said from jump street a whole bunch of posts ago... "Climb in my fur." | |
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JonSnow said: Supernova said: I don't remember it being in the video, I think they used the single edit. Everytime I saw it on different video channels they'd always play the same single edit version too. But of course that doesn't necessarily mean there can't be a longer version of the video. There were times when the "Doves" video was cut short for the single edit, but seeing that album version of the song wasn't rare at all. At least not back then.
I have heard the album version on the radio, but more recently. nowadays, the word "ass" is all over the radio. But in 1982 and 1983, it was a different story. Even as late as the early 90's, the single edit of "Gett Off" was edited to mask the word "ass". Remember when George Michael's "I want your Sex" was realeased in the late 80's? Everyone made a big deal about it. If that song were released today, nobody would even raise an eyebrow. Radio has changed. Although I suppose it's possible that some stations played the album version back in the early 80's. Just because I never heard it doesn't mean that it didn't occur. And - if that wasn't the reason Girls & Boys wasn't the 2nd single from Parade... then why? It was the obvious choice, clearly the most commercial track on the album apart from Kiss. [This message was edited Sun Feb 9 12:11:25 PST 2003 by JonSnow] I hear what you're saying Jon, but at this point we're talking about the VIDEO length, not the song on the radio. I also remember John Cougar's "Play Guitar" being played on the radio and him quite clearly and loudly saying the word "shit", and radio stations never censored it out. This was during the early 80s. Also of note: in my neck of the woods on the west coast when "Erotic City" was new the radio station that played it all the time NEVER censored the word "fuck." I also know a woman from the state of Washington who told me that they don't censor it on one of her local stations TODAY either. After not hearing it for a while (on my local station) I called up and requested it, and at that point they told me they couldn't play it anymore. Still during the time it was new. Now I hear it all the time, but the word "fuck" is deleted. This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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rdhull said:[quote] lovebizzare said: rdhull said: lovebizzare said: Your entiled to your own opinion, I just don't agree with it.
You've made that quite clear Well, is that a problem?
No..its just that I laugh when folks say that becasue even though its just an opinion and thats what "they" say, they sure do put up a fight over it...for being just "an opinion that one is entitled to" p.s. People can say whatever they want,
you sure about that?
I meant about W&L, I don't worship them and belive they can do no wrong or anything
..of course you dont worship them and believe they can do no wrong or anything but I don't think she's totally to blame.
Totally..no..heavily..yes
well maybe...
careful there..you are almost agreeing with what I said from jump street a whole bunch of posts ago... look, there could be a million reasons why the revolution boke up, maybe's she's one of them, maybe's she's not. I really don't feel like arguing with you, you have a valid point, that I partially agree with Let's just leave it at that, okay? ~KiKi | |
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lovebizzare said: look, there could be a million reasons why the revolution boke up, maybe's she's one of them, maybe's she's not.
I really don't feel like arguing with you, you have a valid point, that I partially agree with Let's just leave it at that, okay? You're the one who had beef with my initial statement and kept on..all I did was stand and back up why I said what I said. I'm not arguing. And this is the second time in so many words you have said "lets leave it at that". Well why dont you if you are upset or feel that you are arguing.  geez."Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: lovebizzare said: look, there could be a million reasons why the revolution boke up, maybe's she's one of them, maybe's she's not.
I really don't feel like arguing with you, you have a valid point, that I partially agree with Let's just leave it at that, okay? You're the one who had beef with my initial statement and kept on..all I did was stand and back up why I said what I said. I'm not arguing. And this is the second time in so many words you have said "lets leave it at that". Well why dont you if you are upset or feel that you are arguing. geez.sorry, somethimes I just don't know when to shut my mouth-I should really work on that. Sorry if I upset you in any way. we cool? ~KiKi | |
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lovebizzare said: sorry, somethimes I just don't know when to shut my mouth-I should really work on that. Sorry if I upset you in any way. we cool?
Im not upset and of course we are still cool. Prince debate is always good for the soul. Always speak your piece. "Climb in my fur." | |
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Sorry, Prince, but PARADE is your hands-down all time best album.Period.
PARADE only proves that Prince needs guidance in bringing together the best, most creative & entertaining product possible! Left to his own devices, Prince damages releases with songs that should have stayed in the vault e.g. "We March", "Right the Wrong", "Jughead","Freaks on this Side","2Morrow", etc. Prince doesn't seem to see an album as a BIG CANVAS, "Rainbow Children" aside. It's like he thinks ALL his work is "equally brilliant" and cannot decipher between weak/strong tracks...which is why so much good stuff is in the vault ("In A Large Room With No Light"), and we have some crap in our collections ("Hot Wit U") that has only damaged his reputation, become a critic's "whipping boy", and sales are poor! PARADE is like flipping thru Picasso's sketchbook: quick snippets of colorful flourishes, and interesting rollercoaster of arrangements. It's like ART. RAVE IN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC, to randomly pick a purely-Prince production, sloggs along inconsistantly as "just an album". THIS is WHAT MAKES PARADE stand out! People say songs are unfinished on PARADE, but there's a "Method to the Madness" going on that CANNOT be found on any other Prince disc. It works! It's art! Not "just" an album, but a breathing, creative piece of art! *** Imagine "ROADHOUSE GARDEN" actually being released. We all know that project was just an alterior motive to collaborate with Wendy & Lisa again...BUT: if W & L were to produce it it would probably sound BETTER than if Prince goes it alone, because their sensibilities would make a better Revolution CD, than if it were left to Prince and his razor blade, editing & choosing tracks. Prince knows it, which is why we don't have "Roadhouse Garden" in our stack of Prince cd's. I'll bet "Roadhouse Garden" compiled and mastered to it's full potential, would be the BEST Prince disc since,well,...PARADE. So there! | |
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I don't think that Wendy & Lisa alone could do it better than Prince alone. They can do it better together (on the old Rveolution tracks).
Don't act like back then it was all Wendy & Lisa. | |
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origmnd said: How come Prince said only "Kiss"
was worthwhile on Parade. Meanwhile he had countless tracks available to his disposal?? Cause they didn't fit into the flow of the film? Maybe ... Parade is one of his most concise and coherent albums. Compare Parade to One Night Alone. They're both short but Parade is like 100x more cohesive. Prince was young, energetic, pimpin, and having fun. and it shows. A very enjoyable listen, blows the roof off TRC. | |
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His best album along side with SOTT. Kiss is an odd part of it but now, could never listen to it with out it. | |
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It never ceases to amaze me how topics
RARELY get responded to the way they were asked. The question--- when Prince said kiss was the only track worthy on Parade he had tons of tracks he could've used , so why do u think he didn't? | |
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funkiest on PARADE, anotherloverholeinyohead, in my personal top five. | |
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When I first bought 'Parade' back in 86,my only real complaint was that the first four or five tracks were too short.It all sounded rushed,like Prince was quickly ending songs just when they were getting interesting.I agree with SuperNova about some songs needing to be "fleshed out" more.I love "I Wonder U" but it sounds more like an unfinished demo/segue than a full,complete song.
Prince has been quoted as saying "Parade was a disaster.Apart from "Kiss",there's nothing that I'm particularly proud of.I made it too soon after 'Around The World In A Day' and I just didn't have enough good material ready.I'm not gonna make that mistake again". I disagree with Prince.'Parade' is FAR from a disaster. | |
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only a B-movie soundtrack | |
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Supernova said: Personally, I think "Kiss" sounded out of place within the context of the Parade album.
I feel exactly the same way. I definitely feel Christopher Tracey's Parade and I Wonder U would have been better if there were longer.Some of the songs on the album sound as if they could have been fleshed out more. They're teases. Good teases, but teases nevertheless. | |
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