What if Prince would have come out with The Family's debut & What if The Family would have come out with "Around The World In A Day"?

Well if Prince had released The Family album as "Prince" i'm pretty sure it would have got a lot more attention and promotion that it never received under "The Family."

A real shame about that album, it deserved so much more, but Prince totally abandoned it.

It would be great to hear a full Prince on vocals version of The Family album, and we know those recordings with Prince on vocals exist.

Maybe one day.

I honestly like The Family's album better than "Around The World In A Day". The Family's album always seemed more like a precursor to "Parade" more so than "Around..." imo.

gunner82 said:

I honestly like The Family's album better than "Around The World In A Day". The Family's album always seemed more like a precursor to "Parade" more so than "Around..." imo.

And with the instrumentals, I also believe a precursor to the first Madhouse album.

gunner82 said:

What if Prince would have come out with The Family's debut & What if The Family would have come out with "Around The World In A Day"?

Naw, only Prince could have done ATWIAD with the B sides and what not, that album is a little to personally superstar as far was his place of being and certain issues.

the Family music is more sensual personal. In that the Family or Prince could have done it.

The album/protege group could have been big. Prince was a whirlwind of ideas projects and music: the Parade album UTCM movie still high off of Purple Rain, loss of the Time, Mazarati as a new protege act, Sheila E music ...

I still say it was a mistake for him not to include bands in the movie that would have took them to another level of notice. As soon as they did their 1st Avenue premier he should have flew them out to Nice, France.

a few performances with the Revolution would have gave another nod of visual interest for the album. He set the bar seriously high with the visuals of Purple Rain not to...

Sheila E & Mazarati in there as well even if Mazarati was just somehow in a background scene or a scene just hanging with Prince & Jerome

OldFriends4Sale said:

gunner82 said:

What if Prince would have come out with The Family's debut & What if The Family would have come out with "Around The World In A Day"?

I still say it was a mistake for him not to include bands in the movie that would have took them to another level of notice.

But how? No one saw that movie, and the stench of failure that hung over it would have only harmed those artists. I think "Anotherlover..." would have been a bigger hit if it wasn't so associated with a flop project by that point (remember, "Kiss" came out well before the film and all the negative buzz).

TheDigitalGardener said:

gunner82 said:

I honestly like The Family's album better than "Around The World In A Day". The Family's album always seemed more like a precursor to "Parade" more so than "Around..." imo.

And with the instrumentals, I also believe a precursor to the first Madhouse album.

You're absolutely right about the Madhouse album. But I even think about the fact that "Parade" had "Venus De Milo" on it too. For some reason, I just think switching those two albums would have been a win/win for both Prince & the Family. "Desire", "Screams Of Passion", "Nothing Compares 2 U",etc. That album would have recieved far more critical acclaim for Prince & provided The Family with a few hits off ATWIAD.

renfield said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I still say it was a mistake for him not to include bands in the movie that would have took them to another level of notice.

But how? No one saw that movie, and the stench of failure that hung over it would have only harmed those artists. I think "Anotherlover..." would have been a bigger hit if it wasn't so associated with a flop project by that point (remember, "Kiss" came out well before the film and all the negative buzz).

Ur talking after the fact. Once people premiered the one that was released, the word got out.

I was even expecting the bands/proteges to be in the film and was seriously let down by that. I enjoyed the movie but...

If Prince would have let the air out of his head and let the director do her job and also if the bands were/performances were written into the script, it would have been a much better movie.

Lack of musical performances were one of the biggest issues reviews had with the movie, Prince isn't an actor outside of the stage/videos.

TheDigitalGardener said:

gunner82 said:

I honestly like The Family's album better than "Around The World In A Day". The Family's album always seemed more like a precursor to "Parade" more so than "Around..." imo.

And with the instrumentals, I also believe a precursor to the first Madhouse album.

I've always said that too!

OldFriends4Sale said:

renfield said:

But how? No one saw that movie, and the stench of failure that hung over it would have only harmed those artists. I think "Anotherlover..." would have been a bigger hit if it wasn't so associated with a flop project by that point (remember, "Kiss" came out well before the film and all the negative buzz).

Ur talking after the fact. Once people premiered the one that was released, the word got out.

I was even expecting the bands/proteges to be in the film and was seriously let down by that. I enjoyed the movie but...

If Prince would have let the air out of his head and let the director do her job and also if the bands were/performances were written into the script, it would have been a much better movie.

Lack of musical performances were one of the biggest issues reviews had with the movie, Prince isn't an actor outside of the stage/videos.

I liked UTCM! I think Prince just wanted to make a wacky movie that was not just based around music. That's like saying every singer who does movies should sing in them. My point is "Raspberry Beret" & "Pop Life" might have been pretty big for The Family. I also think the whole "psychedelic" theme would have worked better for them too....

gunner82 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Ur talking after the fact. Once people premiered the one that was released, the word got out.

I was even expecting the bands/proteges to be in the film and was seriously let down by that. I enjoyed the movie but...

If Prince would have let the air out of his head and let the director do her job and also if the bands were/performances were written into the script, it would have been a much better movie.

Lack of musical performances were one of the biggest issues reviews had with the movie, Prince isn't an actor outside of the stage/videos.

I liked UTCM! I think Prince just wanted to make a wacky movie that was not just based around music. That's like saying every singer who does movies should sing in them. My point is "Raspberry Beret" & "Pop Life" might have been pretty big for The Family. I also think the whole "psychedelic" theme would have worked better for them too....

Yeah I think it was more than just being wacky I think he really did have a deep hope of meaning 4 the film... which is probably why he fought with the director and need to kill of Christopher at the end. He wanted the Kid or his father in PR to die too He also want GB to be a very deep movie.

I think songs like Paisley Park (Prince concept/vision similar 2 Uptown & Erotic City) Pop Life Temptation Hello(bside) were 2 Prince as a star. The Family couldn't truly express those.

But I do agree that the Family could have expressed a lot of those songs & it be well received. A full band would definately have to be in order to perform & appear even on album visually to be believable. Susannah (can play piano I believe) St Paul can play guitar/keys Eric (sax & Flute)-even though he was holding a bass in the Screams of Passion video (can he play bass?) Jerome (non instrumentalist) Mico was the sessions/live guitarist but not officially a part of the Family) Jellybean(drums)

OldFriends4Sale said:

gunner82 said:

I liked UTCM! I think Prince just wanted to make a wacky movie that was not just based around music. That's like saying every singer who does movies should sing in them. My point is "Raspberry Beret" & "Pop Life" might have been pretty big for The Family. I also think the whole "psychedelic" theme would have worked better for them too....

Yeah I think it was more than just being wacky I think he really did have a deep hope of meaning 4 the film... which is probably why he fought with the director and need to kill of Christopher at the end. He wanted the Kid or his father in PR to die too He also want GB to be a very deep movie.

I think songs like Paisley Park (Prince concept/vision similar 2 Uptown & Erotic City) Pop Life Temptation Hello(bside) were 2 Prince as a star. The Family couldn't truly express those.

But I do agree that the Family could have expressed a lot of those songs & it be well received. A full band would definately have to be in order to perform & appear even on album visually to be believable. Susannah (can play piano I believe) St Paul can play guitar/keys Eric (sax & Flute)-even though he was holding a bass in the Screams of Passion video (can he play bass?) Jerome (non instrumentalist) Mico was the sessions/live guitarist but not officially a part of the Family) Jellybean(drums)

Is it just me, or were the b-sides for ATWIAD kinda better than some of the tracks for the album? lol What if you give Prince the B-sides for ATWIAD for The Family's "Debut" then...

renfield said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I still say it was a mistake for him not to include bands in the movie that would have took them to another level of notice.

But how? No one saw that movie, and the stench of failure that hung over it would have only harmed those artists. I think "Anotherlover..." would have been a bigger hit if it wasn't so associated with a flop project by that point (remember, "Kiss" came out well before the film and all the negative buzz).

Girls & Boys was a big hit in the UK. The video was heavily based around the movie

gunner82 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah I think it was more than just being wacky I think he really did have a deep hope of meaning 4 the film... which is probably why he fought with the director and need to kill of Christopher at the end. He wanted the Kid or his father in PR to die too He also want GB to be a very deep movie.

I think songs like Paisley Park (Prince concept/vision similar 2 Uptown & Erotic City) Pop Life Temptation Hello(bside) were 2 Prince as a star. The Family couldn't truly express those.

But I do agree that the Family could have expressed a lot of those songs & it be well received. A full band would definately have to be in order to perform & appear even on album visually to be believable. Susannah (can play piano I believe) St Paul can play guitar/keys Eric (sax & Flute)-even though he was holding a bass in the Screams of Passion video (can he play bass?) Jerome (non instrumentalist) Mico was the sessions/live guitarist but not officially a part of the Family) Jellybean(drums)

Is it just me, or were the b-sides for ATWIAD kinda better than some of the tracks for the album? lol What if you give Prince the B-sides for ATWIAD for The Family's "Debut" then...

lol I love all the song on the album, I think if maybe the Ladder was more of rock song i would love it.

I actually love the music of Temptation & the ending, love Eddie M on sax but maybe the song itself drags a bit, I don't know

TheBird said:

renfield said:

But how? No one saw that movie, and the stench of failure that hung over it would have only harmed those artists. I think "Anotherlover..." would have been a bigger hit if it wasn't so associated with a flop project by that point (remember, "Kiss" came out well before the film and all the negative buzz).

Girls & Boys was a big hit in the UK. The video was heavily based around the movie

agree, I could totally see the G&B video where the revolution crashes the party, in the movie

as well as say in the Alexa de Paris scene the Revolution playing the song in the backdrop with back in forths between the band and Prince & Mary dancing

at Mary's party Sheila E performing A Love Bizarre or the Family performing Screams of Passion

double post. ooops!

[Edited 4/11/11 16:28pm]

TheDigitalGardener said:

Well if Prince had released The Family album as "Prince" i'm pretty sure it would have got a lot more attention and promotion that it never received under "The Family."

A real shame about that album, it deserved so much more, but Prince totally abandoned it.

It would be great to hear a full Prince on vocals version of The Family album, and we know those recordings with Prince on vocals exist.

Maybe one day.

One of the most coveted recordings I would rejoice to have is a quality recording of the Family album with Prince on lead vocals. No dis to Paul Peterson, he did a fine job- just would be so great to have an

all Prince version of the album- I've heard some of the demos w/ Prince and they are to die for...

Always wanted official music videos with Prince for "Screams of Passion" & "High Fashion". I'd pay a mint for that.

OldFriends4Sale said:

TheBird said:

Girls & Boys was a big hit in the UK. The video was heavily based around the movie

agree, I could totally see the G&B video where the revolution crashes the party, in the movie

as well as say in the Alexa de Paris scene the Revolution playing the song in the backdrop with back in forths between the band and Prince & Mary dancing

at Mary's party Sheila E performing A Love Bizarre or the Family performing Screams of Passion

"Screams Of Passion" & "High Fashion" would have been perfect for Under The Cherry Moon. 1 or 2 more performances similar to "Girls & Boys" would have beefed up the music end of the film and could have really helped it fly right. I still love it endlessly though...

I have never been much of a fan of The Family.

I dig "Screams of Passion" (their version and the rehearsal w/ P) and I think P's version of Mutiny is cool.... But I think the rest is poopy.

Spinlight said:

I have never been much of a fan of The Family.

I dig "Screams of Passion" (their version and the rehearsal w/ P) and I think P's version of Mutiny is cool.... But I think the rest is poopy.

Every Prince version I've heard of the songs off that album was Dope! btw LOL!@ Door#Pants. "Extra Lovable" right?

gunner82 said:

Spinlight said:

I have never been much of a fan of The Family.

I dig "Screams of Passion" (their version and the rehearsal w/ P) and I think P's version of Mutiny is cool.... But I think the rest is poopy.

Every Prince version I've heard of the songs off that album was Dope! btw LOL!@ Door#Pants. "Extra Lovable" right?

That's right.

gunner82 said:

What if Prince would have come out with The Family's debut & What if The Family would have come out with "Around The World In A Day"?

Everyone would be all "He released weak The Time wigouts like High Fashion and instrumental fluff but gave the Family Raspberry Beret and Pop Life?"

NouveauDance said:

gunner82 said:

What if Prince would have come out with The Family's debut & What if The Family would have come out with "Around The World In A Day"?

Everyone would be all "He released weak The Time wigouts like High Fashion and instrumental fluff but gave the Family Raspberry Beret and Pop Life?"

Yes! ATWIAD was one of Prince's weaker albums in the 80's [of course along side the Batman Soundtrack] imo. The Family's debut was a better album all together if you ask me [That's the only album I feel he produced for someone else that was better than the album he dropped himself that year]. Or better yet, why was the b-sides for ATWIAD better than a lot of the tracks for album itself?

gunner82 said:

NouveauDance said:

Everyone would be all "He released weak The Time wigouts like High Fashion and instrumental fluff but gave the Family Raspberry Beret and Pop Life?"

Yes! ATWIAD was one of Prince's weaker albums in the 80's [of course along side the Batman Soundtrack] imo. The Family's debut was a better album all together if you ask me [That's the only album I feel he produced for someone else that was better than the album he dropped himself that year]. Or better yet, why was the b-sides for ATWIAD better than a lot of the tracks for album itself?

And your opinion it is, i LOVE Batman. i'd sooner it than ATWIAD any day.

gunner82 said:

NouveauDance said:

Everyone would be all "He released weak The Time wigouts like High Fashion and instrumental fluff but gave the Family Raspberry Beret and Pop Life?"

Yes! ATWIAD was one of Prince's weaker albums in the 80's [of course along side the Batman Soundtrack] imo. The Family's debut was a better album all together if you ask me [That's the only album I feel he produced for someone else that was better than the album he dropped himself that year]. Or better yet, why was the b-sides for ATWIAD better than a lot of the tracks for album itself?

I seriously don't think ATWIAD was a weak album. Not at all. The only issue with it is that it followed Purple Rain. I don't know any album he released that if it followed Purple Rain would have been considered strong.

ATWIAD is a so much better album, I love when Prince makes psychadelic funk.

I only like the 2 first songs on The Family,

NC2U..... the strings are ruining the song for me, those are horrible..

and the rest of the songs, on The Family album is really average.

imo.

thedance said:

ATWIAD is a so much better album, I love when Prince makes psychadelic funk.

I only like the 2 first songs on The Family,

NC2U..... the strings are ruining the song for me, those are horrible..

and the rest of the songs, on The Family album is really average.

imo.

Oh ATWIAD is in my top 3

But the Family album I'm in love with.

Just like the other protege acts Sheila the Time Vanity 6 Madhouse

the Family album (almost like the Parade era & the Dream Factory) it's really intimate.

It's sorta Prince's love album 2 Susannah, it's adult and mellow yet funky

I like NC2U but I love the 'purple rain' sounding version even better

Susannah's Pajamas, Yes, Screams of Passion, Desire, High Fashion

I usually mix a playlist with Feline & Miss Understood as B sides

♥∞

[Edited 4/13/11 3:08am]

"The Screams Of Passion" could have been a sizzling duet with Sheila E,and it would have been a huge hit.

SoulAlive said:

"The Screams Of Passion" could have been a sizzling duet with Sheila E,and it would have been a huge hit.

Never imagined that one but your absolutely right. I think he should re-record many songs and release them properly- but without people like Dr. Fink or Susan Rogers or whoever, not sure how that would turn out.

"Everything was great 'til 88"