hhhhdmt said:

jackson35 said: wb marketing

Both debut-albums of Zapp and Roger together with Prince, The Time and Vanity 6 got good promotion

as a new wave of electric funk in the early 80's era, and therefor why they toured as a joint venture.

Especially around 1980 with Prince's controversial concept of "Dirty Mind" and Roger's Zapp who debuted

with "More Bounce...", a collabo-production of Roger & Bootsy which Billboard's Nelson George described

in Zapp's Unsung (TV1) as a jam that kept giving and giving that groove. That said, i can enjoy both Prince

and Roger equally for their unique talent which they share(d) with us. I also enjoy this topic although

comparisons never seem to mix well on this side of org-town lol. I've seen similar discussions about Jimi Hendrix

getting heated up in here, so the non-Prince would be imo a better place with maybe more variety of feedback.

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Militant said:

You simply cannot deny the pure genius of these songs.

Roger could SHO NUFF THROW DOWN!

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listened to these as i dont know a lot about zapp and....to be honest....didnt think much of them...i cant stand that vocoder or whatever it is on the tracks....it just sounds like a gimmick to me and detracts from the songs....and they sound very dated...so in no way would i compare roger troutman to prince on this...some good funky guitar playing on the last track but ...no...i wouldnt compare him to prince....think he is closer to rick james than prince in sound and style...

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Comparing Roger 2 Prince is like:

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hhhhdmt said:

jackson35 said:

prince's success from 79 to 88 wasn't because of his talent alone. It has also to do with wb marketing and their money. the calabo with his band esp wendy and lisa. the staff that he had access to like susan rogers and david z who had the tedious tasks of cutting the music up to be more accessible to the public. and lets also not forget infamous drum machines that were all over prince's records that gave hin that pop flavor that allof you love so much. cuz without it he would sound like his r&b peers and he would have no appeal.

oh my, prince wrote 99 percent of his stuff by himself, not with wendy and lisa. So he used good producers/engineers, who doesnt? You are so biased, it isnt even funny. "he would have no appeal". Yeah sure, the guy who wrote one great song after the other, did so many genres so convingly would not no appeal whatsoever. No Prince would not sound like his rnb peers, he is far more talented than they ever were.

Prince's success from 1979-88 was mostly because of his talent. And he knew how to use the drum machines so credit goes to him for it. He mastered several instruments, he wrote most of his songs, he sang them, therefore he deserves most of the credit. Claiming Prince would have no appeal is comical

It is a known fact that prince does not give proper credit to any of his band members for ideas and songs they submit to his albums. thats why his music is suffering now. you do known that musicology is remake right? you do known that the music for life of the party is pure jame brown? as for being able to perform all types of music... that pure hogwash. if it wasnt for eric leeds, sheila e, wendy and lisa, tony m, he would not be able to do anything but watered down funk music

jackson35 said:

"Head" is watered-down funk??? Surely you jest...

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt said:

oh my, prince wrote 99 percent of his stuff by himself, not with wendy and lisa. So he used good producers/engineers, who doesnt? You are so biased, it isnt even funny. "he would have no appeal". Yeah sure, the guy who wrote one great song after the other, did so many genres so convingly would not no appeal whatsoever. No Prince would not sound like his rnb peers, he is far more talented than they ever were.

Prince's success from 1979-88 was mostly because of his talent. And he knew how to use the drum machines so credit goes to him for it. He mastered several instruments, he wrote most of his songs, he sang them, therefore he deserves most of the credit. Claiming Prince would have no appeal is comical

It is a known fact that prince does not give proper credit to any of his band members for ideas and songs they submit to his albums. thats why his music is suffering now. you do known that musicology is remake right? you do known that the music for life of the party is pure jame brown? as for being able to perform all types of music... that pure hogwash. if it wasnt for eric leeds, sheila e, wendy and lisa, tony m, he would not be able to do anything but watered down funk music

you are completely and utterly clueless. Prince has given co writing cedit to wendy and lisa when they did write with him. Your post is beyond a joke. Eric leeds, wendy and lisa, shelia are not great songwriters, prince is. Prince is the one who has written hits for sheila, not the other way around

I repeat, prince has written 99 percent of his music completely by himself and that has nothing to do with wendy, lisa, sheila or eric leeds or tony M. You have to be extremely stupid to deny this.

Did wendy and lisa write when doves cry? Purple rain? If it wasnt for those people, prince still would have written 99 percent of the music that he has. If it wasnt for these people, prince would still be great

"his music is suffering now" no it isnt. Most songwriters are at their peak in their 20's and early 30's.

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when wendy and lisa did write with him, they were given proper co writing credit- mountains, computer blue and so on. But most of prince's best songs were written by him and him alone

I love sheila but prince is the one who wrote hits for her, not the other way around.

Shango said:

prodigalfan said: She is from my hometown and I knew her before she moved to Dayton. She was a great singer at church and a very nice lady.

Cool ... You ever met her in person ? I saw an interview-segment of her and she was great,

telling passionately about her experience of recording her first solo-album with Roger, insisting him to record a specific track.

And thanks to the online time capsule :

Roger goes bananas when Shirl The Pearl hits it off

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yes, several times.

She was the lead female singer of the young adult choir and my best friends' brother was the lead male. Shirley would go to their house after church and have Sunday dinner often... and so would I. i was the neighborhood heathen that my friends parents decided to "save". So I went to church every week.

Me and my friends were 8 - 10, they were in high school.

The singing on her records did not do her voice justice. Not saying that she didn't sound good on the records because she did. But I can remember her singing songs and people would be moved to tears because her voice was just that perfect.

You do know that jackson35 Hates Prince right? Never has that guy ever given props to Prince about anything. To him, Prince can't do nothing. No talent. Everything was given to Prince. He didn't work for nothing it was always someone other than Prince. Michael Jackson, Rick James and Roger Troutman those guys had talent. Whatever....

I love those three guys, all of them had crazy talent, but Prince's talent is on another level. That is not to put down Roger. Roger has jams for days, but Prince is better. The questions was More talented, well Prince is in a class of one.

Jackson35 I hate to tell you this, but Prince does have talent. I know it hurts to admit this to yourself, Rick James knew it, Michael Jackson knew it, Roger knew it and so do you. You don't have to like him, but that's the truth.

Do it, do it Roger, do it.....

blackbob said:

listened to these as i dont know a lot about zapp and....to be honest....didnt think much of them...i cant stand that vocoder or whatever it is on the tracks....

it just sounds like a gimmick to me and detracts from the songs....and they sound very dated...

That's the thing about subjective taste. Producer David Gamson (Scritti Politti, Me'Shell Ndegeocello, Chaka Khan, etc...) was inspired to

collaborate with Roger, and especially a number of HipHop-producers apparently didn't view productions of Roger & Zapp as dated since

they sampled from some of the earlier posted clips, or they actually worked together with Roger himself (Tupac & Dr. Dre, E-40 & The Click, etc...)

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prodigalfan said:

Shango said:

yes, several times.

She was the lead female singer of the young adult choir and my best friends' brother was the lead male. Shirley would go to their house after church and have Sunday dinner often... and so would I. i was the neighborhood heathen that my friends parents decided to "save". So I went to church every week.

Me and my friends were 8 - 10, they were in high school.

The singing on her records did not do her voice justice. Not saying that she didn't sound good on the records because she did. But I can remember her singing songs and people would be moved to tears because her voice was just that perfect.

Wow, thank you for sharing your memories and great that you could experience her singing gift in that early stage.

I vividly can imagine your point of view when it comes to the difference when singing in the studio or in a live setting.

^ That brief memorable clip ^ which luckily is posted on youtube seems a good example of that. Thanks again

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt said:

oh my, prince wrote 99 percent of his stuff by himself, not with wendy and lisa. So he used good producers/engineers, who doesnt? You are so biased, it isnt even funny. "he would have no appeal". Yeah sure, the guy who wrote one great song after the other, did so many genres so convingly would not no appeal whatsoever. No Prince would not sound like his rnb peers, he is far more talented than they ever were.

Prince's success from 1979-88 was mostly because of his talent. And he knew how to use the drum machines so credit goes to him for it. He mastered several instruments, he wrote most of his songs, he sang them, therefore he deserves most of the credit. Claiming Prince would have no appeal is comical

It is a known fact that prince does not give proper credit to any of his band members for ideas and songs they submit to his albums. thats why his music is suffering now. you do known that musicology is remake right? you do known that the music for life of the party is pure jame brown? as for being able to perform all types of music... that pure hogwash. if it wasnt for eric leeds, sheila e, wendy and lisa, tony m, he would not be able to do anything but watered down funk music

Graycap23 said:

jackson35 said:

It is a known fact that prince does not give proper credit to any of his band members for ideas and songs they submit to his albums. thats why his music is suffering now. you do known that musicology is remake right? you do known that the music for life of the party is pure jame brown? as for being able to perform all types of music... that pure hogwash. if it wasnt for eric leeds, sheila e, wendy and lisa, tony m, he would not be able to do anything but watered down funk music

jackson35 probably thinks that wendy and lisa wrote purple rain and all the other songs on that album and on 199, and sheila e wrote adore and so on. He's one heck of a troll

Timmy84 said:

"Head" is watered-down funk??? Surely you jest...

The Prince formula was always less is more, and he was using space like miles davis and joni mitchell, yet making funk heavyier than ever, and oven hot. I don't know what this jakcson guy is talking about. And what about the rythm guitar on small parts of Lady Cab Driver. That is some really funky shit. He passed the final funk exam back in 1982. When it comes to perfect simplicity in funk, I have yet to hear anything top that album.

hhhhdmt said:

Graycap23 said:

jackson35 probably thinks that wendy and lisa wrote purple rain and all the other songs on that album and on 199, and sheila e wrote adore and so on. He's one heck of a troll

I really wonder why he/she is even here.

hhhhdmt said:

jackson35 said:

prince's success from 79 to 88 wasn't because of his talent alone. It has also to do with wb marketing and their money. the calabo with his band esp wendy and lisa. the staff that he had access to like susan rogers and david z who had the tedious tasks of cutting the music up to be more accessible to the public. and lets also not forget infamous drum machines that were all over prince's records that gave hin that pop flavor that allof you love so much. cuz without it he would sound like his r&b peers and he would have no appeal.

oh my, prince wrote 99 percent of his stuff by himself, not with wendy and lisa. So he used good producers/engineers, who doesnt? You are so biased, it isnt even funny. "he would have no appeal". Yeah sure, the guy who wrote one great song after the other, did so many genres so convingly would not no appeal whatsoever. No Prince would not sound like his rnb peers, he is far more talented than they ever were.

Prince's success from 1979-88 was mostly because of his talent. And he knew how to use the drum machines so credit goes to him for it. He mastered several instruments, he wrote most of his songs, he sang them, therefore he deserves most of the credit. Claiming Prince would have no appeal is comical

It is a known fact that prince does not give proper credit to any of his band members for ideas and songs they submit to his albums. thats why his music is suffering now. you do known that musicology is remake right? you do known that the music for life of the party is pure jame brown? as for being able to perform all types of music... that pure hogwash. if it wasnt for eric leeds, sheila e, wendy and lisa, tony m, he would not be able to do anything but watered down funk music

roger troutman didnt have to make a 7 million dollar movie to get music buying public to notice his talent. prince did that. roger troutman dose not sign his friends to recording contracts and rips off their share of profits. prince did that. roger troutman does not sue his fans or hire bodyguards to beat them up simply because they want to show love. prince did that.

Graycap23 said:

hhhhdmt said:

jackson35 probably thinks that wendy and lisa wrote purple rain and all the other songs on that album and on 199, and sheila e wrote adore and so on. He's one heck of a troll

I really wonder why he/she is even here.

I think he mentioned something a while back about P mistreating some people he was associated with...I guess he still mad.

jackson35 said:

hhhhdmt said:

oh my, prince wrote 99 percent of his stuff by himself, not with wendy and lisa. So he used good producers/engineers, who doesnt? You are so biased, it isnt even funny. "he would have no appeal". Yeah sure, the guy who wrote one great song after the other, did so many genres so convingly would not no appeal whatsoever. No Prince would not sound like his rnb peers, he is far more talented than they ever were.

Prince's success from 1979-88 was mostly because of his talent. And he knew how to use the drum machines so credit goes to him for it. He mastered several instruments, he wrote most of his songs, he sang them, therefore he deserves most of the credit. Claiming Prince would have no appeal is comical

It is a known fact that prince does not give proper credit to any of his band members for ideas and songs they submit to his albums. thats why his music is suffering now. you do known that musicology is remake right? you do known that the music for life of the party is pure jame brown? as for being able to perform all types of music... that pure hogwash. if it wasnt for eric leeds, sheila e, wendy and lisa, tony m, he would not be able to do anything but watered down funk music

roger troutman didnt have to make a 7 million dollar movie to get music buying public to notice his talent. prince did that. roger troutman dose not sign his friends to recording contracts and rips off their share of profits. prince did that. roger troutman does not sue his fans or hire bodyguards to beat them up simply because they want to show love. prince did that.

no offense but you have been owned on every point. Prince has written most of his best songs completely by himself and not because of wendy, lisa and eric and especially not Tony M. When any of these people wrote with him, he gave them co writing credit. Yeah Prince is a control freak but that takes nothing away from his talent. Thats exactly what you are trying to deny. Prince already had a few top 10 hits before purple rain, and he simply was coming into his own. Even without the movie, there wouldnt have been a massive difference. There's no way songs like "When doves cry" and "lets go crazy" wouldnt have done well on the radio. The public was already noticing him by 1982 when 1999 was released.

Listen to his first two records when he was young. He was capable of everything ranging from rock to disco to funk etc. And this was before he reached his songwriting peak.

prince has never gone into detail how most of his classic songs were written. Instead, he goes off into religous mumbo jumbo about nothing and never discuss the most important part of his art. each member of his band has talk about their contribution to his music and he refuses to give them props.

jackson35 said:

prince has never gone into detail how most of his classic songs were written. Instead, he goes off into religous mumbo jumbo about nothing and never discuss the most important part of his art. each member of his band has talk about their contribution to his music and he refuses to give them props.

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jackson35 said:

prince has never gone into detail how most of his classic songs were written. Instead, he goes off into religous mumbo jumbo about nothing and never discuss the most important part of his art. each member of his band has talk about their contribution to his music and he refuses to give them props.

what's the point with spending so much time bashing Prince? He has on some songs not given others props, he has also kept many of his own contributions to others a secret.

All these 'who's got the biggest one' threads are plain stupid and go nowhere.

babynoz said:

Graycap23 said:

I really wonder why he/she is even here.

I think he mentioned something a while back about P mistreating some people he was associated with...I guess he still mad.

I suspect that either he or someone close believes he/she was burned by association with with Prince.

jackson35 said:

roger troutman didnt have to make a 7 million dollar movie to get music buying public to notice his talent. prince did that. roger troutman dose not sign his friends to recording contracts and rips off their share of profits. prince did that. roger troutman does not sue his fans or hire bodyguards to beat them up simply because they want to show love. prince did that.

Uh, you do know that Prince was a multi-platinum selling artist before Purple Rain, right?

You do know that the albums Prince made prior to Purple Rain outsold Roger's albums, right?

That "7 Million Dollar Movie" to get the public to notice him line is bullshit.

He wanted to do a movie just like Elvis did and the Beatles did.

He and everyone had to work harder at getting the movie made because he wasn't a World-Renoun Superstar yet.

What does Prince signing his friends to recording contracts, bodyguards, and lawsuits have anything to do with TALENT???

You're a troll, and a bad one at that. If you don't like Prince, maybe you should go on a Duran Duran website. They seem like they'd be more your thing.

Paris9748430 said:

jackson35 said:

roger troutman didnt have to make a 7 million dollar movie to get music buying public to notice his talent. prince did that. roger troutman dose not sign his friends to recording contracts and rips off their share of profits. prince did that. roger troutman does not sue his fans or hire bodyguards to beat them up simply because they want to show love. prince did that.

Uh, you do know that Prince was a multi-platinum selling artist before Purple Rain, right?

You do know that the albums Prince made prior to Purple Rain outsold Roger's albums, right?

That "7 Million Dollar Movie" to get the public to notice him line is bullshit.

He wanted to do a movie just like Elvis did and the Beatles did.

He and everyone had to work harder at getting the movie made because he wasn't a World-Renoun Superstar yet.

What does Prince signing his friends to recording contracts, bodyguards, and lawsuits have anything to do with TALENT???

You're a troll, and a bad one at that. If you don't like Prince, maybe you should go on a Duran Duran website. They seem like they'd be more your thing.

you do known that prince had trouble getting pop airplay prior to purple rain right you do known that the first zapp album sold over 2.8 million copies in 1980. prince did't sell that until 1999. prince is always talking about real music and real musicans, and yet he signs vanity 6 and carmen electra, robin power, tc ellis, and bria who dont even bring anything to the table talent wise. this thread is about putting other artist down just to make prince good and being disrespectful to roger troutman.

jackson35 said:

Paris9748430 said:

Uh, you do know that Prince was a multi-platinum selling artist before Purple Rain, right?

You do know that the albums Prince made prior to Purple Rain outsold Roger's albums, right?

That "7 Million Dollar Movie" to get the public to notice him line is bullshit.

He wanted to do a movie just like Elvis did and the Beatles did.

He and everyone had to work harder at getting the movie made because he wasn't a World-Renoun Superstar yet.

What does Prince signing his friends to recording contracts, bodyguards, and lawsuits have anything to do with TALENT???

You're a troll, and a bad one at that. If you don't like Prince, maybe you should go on a Duran Duran website. They seem like they'd be more your thing.

you do known that prince had trouble getting pop airplay prior to purple rain right you do known that the first zapp album sold over 2.8 million copies in 1980. prince did't sell that until 1999. prince is always talking about real music and real musicans, and yet he signs vanity 6 and carmen electra, robin power, tc ellis, and bria who dont even bring anything to the table talent wise. this thread is about putting other artist down just to make prince good and being disrespectful to roger troutman.

Every single post you've ever made has been disrespectful, so who the fuck are you to say this post is?

someone came on here and posted that roger troutman can't perform the diffrent styles of music that prince is able to do and i'm telling all of you that is pure hogwash. there are plenty of artist back then and today that can do what prince can do and better. i just don't think other artist have to be put down to keep prince up. they aer both talented.