I feel silly, cuz I have never heard about a 'Roger Troutman'....

who is he, he must be good when compared to Prince.....

Militant said:

savvy said:

I knew Roger personally. I won't be a douchebag that claims we were buddies, but we did know each other. Roger was one hell of a player (I believe they even toured together briefly). I even had to defend Roger on this very board.

If you have a need to quantify core talent, Prince has to win, if for no other reason than this; the voice box wasn't just a gimmick for Roger, he needed it because his natural voice wasn't quite strong enough to be a true "point man".

Now some may argue that Prince's voice isn't quite "Vandrossian" either. My response to that is, "So the fuck what." Give me a musician that can sing adequately, and treats his/her voice as AN instrument, instead of a cutesy moron like Mariah Carey that thinks her voice is THE instrument any day.

Roger's achilles heel was his voice couldn't really stand on its' own. Prince's can.

P.S. Roger's crew (with the exception of Lester) were cool as fuck. Dale Groat, Shirley Murdock, Clet, all of them were some of the nicest people I've met.

I think by the 90's, Roger's natural voice had improved a lot. There were a few songs on "Bridging The Gap" where he sang without the talkbox, but I dig what you're saying. And yeah, Zapp toured with Prince in 1982 I believe

I saw this concert. Zapp, The Time and Prince.... not sure it was Prince or Prince and the
Revolution. I think Andre Cymone was still in the band and I KNOW that "Girl" by the Time got a lot of radio airplay during that time. We begged them to sing it and they didn't.

I would probably say Prince is on an overall "package" basis, but Roger was no damn slouch AT AL!! His camp (and maybe he himself as well) always wondered why he never got the praise Prince did as far as being considered a "genius" and all the shit he was creating with all of the instruments he could play!

I will say this, though, that Roger was FUNKY as hell!!!! I was actually just jammin' to Zapp III earlier today, ironically.

Lets see Pepsi (Prince did a jingle for) Coke (Prince did a jingle for) There is no MJ verses Prince. They do different things. Thats like saying Water Verses Orange Crush. Silly stoopid.

Virgo92 said:

Spinlight said:

...to choose what? It's not a competition. You like them both. They do their own thing. That's that.

To choose who more talented...it's the same thing as saying who's better,Prince or MJ, Pepsi or Coke. I asked because I wanted to know what people think. Chill, if it's wrong for me to ask this question, it should be wrong for people to ask what is Prince best album.

prodigalfan said:

Militant said:

I think by the 90's, Roger's natural voice had improved a lot. There were a few songs on "Bridging The Gap" where he sang without the talkbox, but I dig what you're saying. And yeah, Zapp toured with Prince in 1982 I believe

I saw this concert. Zapp, The Time and Prince.... not sure it was Prince or Prince and the
Revolution. I think Andre Cymone was still in the band and I KNOW that "Girl" by the Time got a lot of radio airplay during that time. We begged them to sing it and they didn't.

Dammit!

Was there adrenaline left in your system after the concert? That concert must've been hype as all hell.

Who is this Roger Troutperson??

Spinlight said:

Umm, I don't get it. Why do you need to choose?

You know... children.

I think P and Roger (R.I.P) were both great. They both have funk/R&B credentials and their own individual sounds and styles.

P had a little more popularity because he had the big crossover and was in the mainstream. Roger was popular among the R&B radio heads but he started to get his props by the hip hop community in the late 80's and throughout the 90's.

Roger was a great producer too and would stay in the studio for days working. He also played a bunch of instruments and taught himself to play flute and violin..(2 very difficult instruments).

And I know (unlike Rick James) Roger had a lot of respect for P. Roger said that P even opened some shows for ZAPP in 81 or 82.

BOTH are/were talented. P had Minneapolis and Roger had Ohio..(THE funk capital to some).

That's NOT Prince playing on "Doesn't Really Matter". It's ALL Roger, I asked Terry "Zapp" Troutman before if they'd ever worked together and he said no although they had briefly discussed it at one point during the tour they did.

Random fact though, Roger DID play on MJ's "Smooth Criminal" and there's a photo of Roger and MJ from the recording session.

Seems like SOME of y'all been listening to one man too long. Time to go to Google to learn of Roger. Tell me what you think when you hear his music by himself and Zapp, mmkay?

eireboy34 said:

thedance said:

I feel silly, cuz I have never heard about a 'Roger Troutman'....

who is he, he must be good when compared to Prince.....

ditto. I've never heard of Roger Troutman before this thread. I think that answers the question.

He sounds like a bore..Prince gets my vote.

minneapolisFunq said:

klick2me said:

Tell me you know that Prince and Roger have worked together? On Zapp 4. Check it:

*It Really doesn't Matter (Prince on keyboards and guitar and at the end Roger gives props to P)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9supqQToBEY

*Itchin' for Your Twitchin (Total Prince jam! "irristable itch")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCv-GTcJG7M

*Ja Ready to Rock (Again, total P jam. U can hear his OWWA!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4IXqkso9GI

Good music! Brings back so many memories. Enjoy!

klick

PS- How does one create a link rather than having you copy & paste?

[Edited 4/16/11 21:15pm]

Please confirm this.

Prince is not credited anywhere on the liner notes (I don't see any of his aliases either)

It's not like Roger singled out Prince on that track, he was namedropping a lot of people.

The guitar tone at the end of It Really Doesn't Matter is distinctly Roger as well.

I can't confirm this. I always assumed Prince was involved because on It really Doesn't Matter, Roger mentions a lot of names but says, "and now we got the Minneapolis connection, thank u Prince cause u sound so good to me, get on down". I just assumed Minneapolis connection meant they worked together because I personally think the sound sounds like Prince (keyboards/guitar).

Then when you listen to Ja Ready To Rock, you can hear Prince's famous "OWWA". Also, On Itchin' For Your Twitchen, about 2 minutes and 15 seconds into the jam you can hear a scream that has Prince written all over it.

I am probably wrong about all of this but it sure sounds like Prince is on this album. If not than Roger surely was influenced by P when it comes to this release. One more thing, hasn't Prince worked with other artist without getting credit in the past? Sorry if I have mislead anyone.

klick

Militant said:

That's NOT Prince playing on "Doesn't Really Matter". It's ALL Roger, I asked Terry "Zapp" Troutman before if they'd ever worked together and he said no although they had briefly discussed it at one point during the tour they did.

Random fact though, Roger DID play on MJ's "Smooth Criminal" and there's a photo of Roger and MJ from the recording session.

I guess that pretty much confirms it. But you gotta admit that this album has a lot Prince sound to it. Is Terry the one who shot Roger? I had no idea Roger worked with MJ. Thanx Militant!

klick

Prince.

klick2me said:

Militant said:

That's NOT Prince playing on "Doesn't Really Matter". It's ALL Roger, I asked Terry "Zapp" Troutman before if they'd ever worked together and he said no although they had briefly discussed it at one point during the tour they did.

Random fact though, Roger DID play on MJ's "Smooth Criminal" and there's a photo of Roger and MJ from the recording session.

I guess that pretty much confirms it. But you gotta admit that this album has a lot Prince sound to it. Is Terry the one who shot Roger? I had no idea Roger worked with MJ. Thanx Militant!

klick

No, Larry Troutman shot Roger, then Larry shot himself.

[Edited 4/17/11 10:22am]

novabrkr said:

Prince.

I think so also but what do I know.

klick

Prince is more talented than Stevie Wonder. Troutman doesn't come close. Funk for funk sake vs changing the history of music. I know what side I'm on.

"Who is this Roger Troutman?"........ Fuck me, and that's why you can only laugh at some of the fucking SHIT people talk on here!

2freaky4church1 said:

Prince is more talented than Stevie Wonder. Troutman doesn't come close. Funk for funk sake vs changing the history of music. I know what side I'm on.

Could someone translate this into English 4 me, please???

[Edited 4/17/11 12:06pm]

NouveauDance said:

"Who is this Roger Troutman?"........ Fuck me, and that's why you can only laugh at some of the fucking SHIT people talk on here!

He's really not that well-known and he was sort of forgotten for a while. You can expect many people being aware of who he is on a Prince site due to both being known as funk artists. However, you'll have to give a break especially to the younger visitors. For example, they might have heard of Zapp and even heard some of the music, but just do not recognize the name "Roger Troutman".

klick2me said:

Militant said:

That's NOT Prince playing on "Doesn't Really Matter". It's ALL Roger, I asked Terry "Zapp" Troutman before if they'd ever worked together and he said no although they had briefly discussed it at one point during the tour they did.

Random fact though, Roger DID play on MJ's "Smooth Criminal" and there's a photo of Roger and MJ from the recording session.

I guess that pretty much confirms it. But you gotta admit that this album has a lot Prince sound to it. Is Terry the one who shot Roger? I had no idea Roger worked with MJ. Thanx Militant!

klick

It does. Prince and Roger were equally influenced by each other. It's no secret that Prince is a huge George Clinton and Bootsy Collins fan, and so Prince was DEFINITELY paying attention when "More Bounce To The Ounce" dropped in '79. Bootsy produced the first Zapp album and it was supposed to come out on George's label but the story goes that Warners swiped the band out from under him because of how hot "More Bounce" was on radio. And equally, the MPLS sound influenced what Roger was doing, hence the shoutout on "Doesn't Really Matter" and the interpretation of "Irresistable Bitch".

For the unaware, it's worth noting that Roger is one of the most pivotal figures in the evolution of hip-hop fro funk, because "More Bounce The Ounce" is the second most sampled break of all time in hip-hop, after JB's "Funky Drummer". "Computer Love" is another one that's been sampled by hundreds of artists.

If you could somehow count the amount of songs that had chopped up hits and samples from "More Bounce.." in them, it would easily be in the thousands. The following songs alone all sampled the loop itself, and this isn't even a full list:

A Lighter Shade of Brown - "Bouncin"
Above the Law - "Return of the Real Shit"
Bloods & Crip - "Shuda Been. . ."
Bobby Demo - "Ounce Rap"
Boss - "I'm Comin to Getcha"
Breeze - "LA Posse"
Brotha Lynch Hung - "Had 2 Gat Ya"
Candyman - "Oneninehundredskytalk"
Compton's Most Wanted - "Growin' up in the 'Hood"
Compton's Most Wanted - "Hit the Floor"
Coolio - "County Line"
Daddy-O - "Brooklyn Bounce"
Digital Underground - "Shake and Bake"
Digital Underground - "Sons of the P"
DJ Quik - "Way 2 Fonky"
EPMD - "You Gots to Chill"
EPMD - "You Gots to Chill '97"
Heavy D - "More Bounce to the Ounce"
Ice Cube - "Jackin' for Beats"
Ice Cube - "Look Who's Burnin'"
Ice Cube - "What Can I Do?"
Insane Clown Posse - "Dog Beats"
Kris Kross - "Shame"
Low Profile - "Pay Ya Dues"
Masta Ace - "Slaughtahouse"
MC Breed - "No Future in Yo' Frontin'"
Notorious BIG - "Going Back to Cali"
Paperboy - "The Nine Yards"
Professor X - "Close the Crackhouse"
Professor X - "What's up G?"
Public Enemy - "1 Million Bottlebags"
Public Enemy - "Anti-Nigger Machine"
Redman - "So Ruff"
Rodney O & Joe Cooley - "Get Down with the Lyrical Strangla"
Rodney O & Joe Cooley - "U Don't Hear Me Tho'"
Rodney O & Joe Cooley - "Wake up New York"
Ron C - "?"
Shante - "Trick or Treat"
Snoop Dogg - "Snoop Bounce"
South Central Cartel - "Had to Be Loced"
South Central Cartel - "Servin' 'em Heat"
South Central Cartel - "Ya Getz Clowned"
Spanish Fly - "Kill 4 Thrillz"
Threat - "24-7"
Threat - "The Dogs are Loose"
Volume 10 - "Pistolgrip Pump"
WC & the Maad Circle - "U Don't Work, U Don't Eat"
Wu-Tang Clan - "Method Man"
X-Clan - "Heed the Words of a Brother"
X-Clan - "Xodus"
YGD - "Going Back to Cali"

More Ounce (Rap) by Bobby Demo (1980)
Are You Ready by TJ Swann, Peewee Mel and Barry B (1981)
You Gots to Chill by EPMD (1988)
Tellin' It All by Cochise (1988)
Pay Ya Dues by Low Profile (1989)
More Bounce by Heavy D & the Boyz (1989)
L.A. Posse by Breeze (1989)
Bouncin' by A Lighter Shade of Brown (1990)
Elle Est à Moi by IAM (1990)
The Hit by Pooh-Man (1990)
Pollywanacraka by Public Enemy (1990)
Heed the Word of the Brother by X-Clan (1990)
Homie Don't Play That by Geto Boys (1991)
Dog Beats by Insane Clown Posse (1991)

Look Who's Burnin' by Ice Cube (1991)
Dog Beats by Insane Clown Posse (1991)
Homie Don't Play That by Geto Boys (1991)
Growin' Up in the Hood (Big O.G. Hood Funky Beat Remix) by Compton's Most Wanted (1991)
Ya Getz Clowned by South Central Cartel (1991)
You Don't Work, U Don't Eat by WC feat. The Maad Circle (1991)
Good Time by Kool Moe Dee (1992)
So Ruff by Redman (1992)
The Money Is Made (Bounce Mix) by Detroit's Most Wanted (1992)
It's a Shame by Kris Kross (1992)
Trick or Treat by Roxanne Shanté (1992)
Can't Stop the Bum Rush by Kris Kross (1992)
Warm It Up by Kris Kross (1992)
Every Single B**** by X-Raided (1992)
Poppa Large (West Coast Mix) by Ultramagnetic MC's (1992)

Baby Be Mine (Remix) by Blackstreet (1993)
Had 2 Gat Ya by Brotha Lynch Hung (1993)

Brooklyn Bounce by Daddy-O (1993)
Get on Down by Esham (1993)
Butters - Another Fat Joint by Da Cheeba Hawks (1993)
SlaughtaHouse by Masta Ace (1993)
24-7 by Threat (1993)

U Don't Hear Me Tho by Rodney O and Joe Cooley (1993)
Close the Crackhouse by Professor X (1993)
The Nine Yards by Paperboy (1993)

Get on Down by Esham (1993)
Freak Ho's by Snake Pletskinz and B****es Off 6 (1993)
Close the Crackhouse by Professor X (1993)
SlaughtaHouse by Masta Ace (1993)
Brooklyn Bounce by Daddy-O (1993)
Servin' Em Heat by South Central Cartel (1994)
County Line by Coolio (1994)
Return of the Real S*** by Above the Law (1994)
Oaktown by MC Hammer (1994)
What Can I Do? (Remix) by Ice Cube (1994)
Pistolgrip-Pump by Volume 10 (1994)
Kill 4 Thrillz by Spanish Fly (1995)
High Off Murder by Sicx (1995)
Snoop Bounce by Snoop Dogg feat. Charlie Wilson (1996)
Highdollaz by Big Syke (1996)
Li'l Hawk by Damu Ridas (1997)
Not the N**** You Thought I Was by Crips (1997)
Going Back to Cali by The Notorious B.I.G. (1997)
You Gots 2 Chill '97 by EPMD (1997)
Buzzin' by Mark v. & Poogie Bear (1997)
Smok'n H2O by Crips (1997)
Truez Neva Stop by Havoc & Prodeje (1997)
Ruff & Rugged by Sicx and Brotha Lynch Hung (1998)
Material Girl by Sylk-E. Fyne (1998)
Intro (Optional) by Unkle (1998)

We Won't Stop by Brown Intentions (1999)
Till I Die by Mr. Shadow (1999)
Girls by Afroman (2000)
Do You by Slum Village feat. MC Breed (2004)
Tha Dogg Pound Gangsta by Daz Dillinger (2005)
Relax by De La Soul (2006)
Roc-Da-Spot by EPMD (2008)
South Central by Oddisee (2010)

(the list is from two different sources, so please excuse any duplicates)

Militant said:

klick2me said:

It does. Prince and Roger were equally influenced by each other. It's no secret that Prince is a huge George Clinton and Bootsy Collins fan, and so Prince was DEFINITELY paying attention when "More Bounce To The Ounce" dropped in '79. Bootsy produced the first Zapp album and it was supposed to come out on George's label but the story goes that Warners swiped the band out from under him because of how hot "More Bounce" was on radio. And equally, the MPLS sound influenced what Roger was doing, hence the shoutout on "Doesn't Really Matter" and the interpretation of "Irresistable Bitch".

For the unaware, it's worth noting that Roger is one of the most pivotal figures in the evolution of hip-hop fro funk, because "More Bounce The Ounce" is the second most sampled break of all time in hip-hop, after JB's "Funky Drummer". "Computer Love" is another one that's been sampled by hundreds of artists.

If you could somehow count the amount of songs that had chopped up hits and samples from "More Bounce.." in them, it would easily be in the thousands. The following songs alone all sampled the loop itself, and this isn't even a full list:

A Lighter Shade of Brown - "Bouncin"
Above the Law - "Return of the Real Shit"
Bloods & Crip - "Shuda Been. . ."
Bobby Demo - "Ounce Rap"
Boss - "I'm Comin to Getcha"
Breeze - "LA Posse"
Brotha Lynch Hung - "Had 2 Gat Ya"
Candyman - "Oneninehundredskytalk"
Compton's Most Wanted - "Growin' up in the 'Hood"
Compton's Most Wanted - "Hit the Floor"
Coolio - "County Line"
Daddy-O - "Brooklyn Bounce"
Digital Underground - "Shake and Bake"
Digital Underground - "Sons of the P"
DJ Quik - "Way 2 Fonky"
EPMD - "You Gots to Chill"
EPMD - "You Gots to Chill '97"
Heavy D - "More Bounce to the Ounce"
Ice Cube - "Jackin' for Beats"
Ice Cube - "Look Who's Burnin'"
Ice Cube - "What Can I Do?"
Insane Clown Posse - "Dog Beats"
Kris Kross - "Shame"
Low Profile - "Pay Ya Dues"
Masta Ace - "Slaughtahouse"
MC Breed - "No Future in Yo' Frontin'"
Notorious BIG - "Going Back to Cali"
Paperboy - "The Nine Yards"
Professor X - "Close the Crackhouse"
Professor X - "What's up G?"
Public Enemy - "1 Million Bottlebags"
Public Enemy - "Anti-Nigger Machine"
Redman - "So Ruff"
Rodney O & Joe Cooley - "Get Down with the Lyrical Strangla"
Rodney O & Joe Cooley - "U Don't Hear Me Tho'"
Rodney O & Joe Cooley - "Wake up New York"
Ron C - "?"
Shante - "Trick or Treat"
Snoop Dogg - "Snoop Bounce"
South Central Cartel - "Had to Be Loced"
South Central Cartel - "Servin' 'em Heat"
South Central Cartel - "Ya Getz Clowned"
Spanish Fly - "Kill 4 Thrillz"
Threat - "24-7"
Threat - "The Dogs are Loose"
Volume 10 - "Pistolgrip Pump"
WC & the Maad Circle - "U Don't Work, U Don't Eat"
Wu-Tang Clan - "Method Man"
X-Clan - "Heed the Words of a Brother"
X-Clan - "Xodus"
YGD - "Going Back to Cali"

More Ounce (Rap) by Bobby Demo (1980)
Are You Ready by TJ Swann, Peewee Mel and Barry B (1981)
You Gots to Chill by EPMD (1988)
Tellin' It All by Cochise (1988)
Pay Ya Dues by Low Profile (1989)
More Bounce by Heavy D & the Boyz (1989)
L.A. Posse by Breeze (1989)
Bouncin' by A Lighter Shade of Brown (1990)
Elle Est à Moi by IAM (1990)
The Hit by Pooh-Man (1990)
Pollywanacraka by Public Enemy (1990)
Heed the Word of the Brother by X-Clan (1990)
Homie Don't Play That by Geto Boys (1991)
Dog Beats by Insane Clown Posse (1991)

Look Who's Burnin' by Ice Cube (1991)
Dog Beats by Insane Clown Posse (1991)
Homie Don't Play That by Geto Boys (1991)
Growin' Up in the Hood (Big O.G. Hood Funky Beat Remix) by Compton's Most Wanted (1991)
Ya Getz Clowned by South Central Cartel (1991)
You Don't Work, U Don't Eat by WC feat. The Maad Circle (1991)
Good Time by Kool Moe Dee (1992)
So Ruff by Redman (1992)
The Money Is Made (Bounce Mix) by Detroit's Most Wanted (1992)
It's a Shame by Kris Kross (1992)
Trick or Treat by Roxanne Shanté (1992)
Can't Stop the Bum Rush by Kris Kross (1992)
Warm It Up by Kris Kross (1992)
Every Single B**** by X-Raided (1992)
Poppa Large (West Coast Mix) by Ultramagnetic MC's (1992)

Baby Be Mine (Remix) by Blackstreet (1993)
Had 2 Gat Ya by Brotha Lynch Hung (1993)

Brooklyn Bounce by Daddy-O (1993)
Get on Down by Esham (1993)
Butters - Another Fat Joint by Da Cheeba Hawks (1993)
SlaughtaHouse by Masta Ace (1993)
24-7 by Threat (1993)

U Don't Hear Me Tho by Rodney O and Joe Cooley (1993)
Close the Crackhouse by Professor X (1993)
The Nine Yards by Paperboy (1993)

Get on Down by Esham (1993)
Freak Ho's by Snake Pletskinz and B****es Off 6 (1993)
Close the Crackhouse by Professor X (1993)
SlaughtaHouse by Masta Ace (1993)
Brooklyn Bounce by Daddy-O (1993)
Servin' Em Heat by South Central Cartel (1994)
County Line by Coolio (1994)
Return of the Real S*** by Above the Law (1994)
Oaktown by MC Hammer (1994)
What Can I Do? (Remix) by Ice Cube (1994)
Pistolgrip-Pump by Volume 10 (1994)
Kill 4 Thrillz by Spanish Fly (1995)
High Off Murder by Sicx (1995)
Snoop Bounce by Snoop Dogg feat. Charlie Wilson (1996)
Highdollaz by Big Syke (1996)
Li'l Hawk by Damu Ridas (1997)
Not the N**** You Thought I Was by Crips (1997)
Going Back to Cali by The Notorious B.I.G. (1997)
You Gots 2 Chill '97 by EPMD (1997)
Buzzin' by Mark v. & Poogie Bear (1997)
Smok'n H2O by Crips (1997)
Truez Neva Stop by Havoc & Prodeje (1997)
Ruff & Rugged by Sicx and Brotha Lynch Hung (1998)
Material Girl by Sylk-E. Fyne (1998)
Intro (Optional) by Unkle (1998)

We Won't Stop by Brown Intentions (1999)
Till I Die by Mr. Shadow (1999)
Girls by Afroman (2000)
Do You by Slum Village feat. MC Breed (2004)
Tha Dogg Pound Gangsta by Daz Dillinger (2005)
Relax by De La Soul (2006)
Roc-Da-Spot by EPMD (2008)
South Central by Oddisee (2010)

(the list is from two different sources, so please excuse any duplicates)

klick2me said:

minneapolisFunq said:

Please confirm this.

Prince is not credited anywhere on the liner notes (I don't see any of his aliases either)

It's not like Roger singled out Prince on that track, he was namedropping a lot of people.

The guitar tone at the end of It Really Doesn't Matter is distinctly Roger as well.

I can't confirm this. I always assumed Prince was involved because on It really Doesn't Matter, Roger mentions a lot of names but says, "and now we got the Minneapolis connection, thank u Prince cause u sound so good to me, get on down". I just assumed Minneapolis connection meant they worked together because I personally think the sound sounds like Prince (keyboards/guitar).

Then when you listen to Ja Ready To Rock, you can hear Prince's famous "OWWA". Also, On Itchin' For Your Twitchen, about 2 minutes and 15 seconds into the jam you can hear a scream that has Prince written all over it.

I am probably wrong about all of this but it sure sounds like Prince is on this album. If not than Roger surely was influenced by P when it comes to this release. One more thing, hasn't Prince worked with other artist without getting credit in the past? Sorry if I have mislead anyone.

klick

Then why would you sit there and state it as a fact, knowing you might be completely wrong?!

Timmy84 said:

klick2me said:

I guess that pretty much confirms it. But you gotta admit that this album has a lot Prince sound to it. Is Terry the one who shot Roger? I had no idea Roger worked with MJ. Thanx Militant!

klick

No, Larry Troutman shot Roger, then Larry shot himself.

[Edited 4/17/11 10:22am]

That's what they concluded on the TV One special they did on the group. Murder/suicide.

Harlepolis said:

prodigalfan said:

I saw this concert. Zapp, The Time and Prince.... not sure it was Prince or Prince and the
Revolution. I think Andre Cymone was still in the band and I KNOW that "Girl" by the Time got a lot of radio airplay during that time. We begged them to sing it and they didn't.

Dammit!

Was there adrenaline left in your system after the concert? That concert must've been hype as all hell.

That was a helluva a concert. I saw it at the Toledo Sports Arena. The first 10 rows was standing only. We were standing on folding chairs dancing our asses off. My friend who sat in the back rows actually got to go back stage and meet members of the Prince band. She saw Prince who kind of stayed to himself and the first thing she said about him was that he was really small. LOL that was before we knew a lot about Prince. No Org etc to disseminate Prince facts.

I wish I stuck with my friend instead of rushing to the front with the others I went to the concert with or I would have been able to go back stage as well. My friend's dad worked on the police force and moonlighted as security at concerts and that is how she and another friend got to go back stage.

novabrkr said:

NouveauDance said:

"Who is this Roger Troutman?"........ Fuck me, and that's why you can only laugh at some of the fucking SHIT people talk on here!

He's really not that well-known and he was sort of forgotten for a while. You can expect many people being aware of who he is on a Prince site due to both being known as funk artists. However, you'll have to give a break especially to the younger visitors. For example, they might have heard of Zapp and even heard some of the music, but just do not recognize the name "Roger Troutman".

That's a good point, however I think it's the dismissive tone that Nouveau is noting as being laughable and I agree.

I was actually a Zapp fan long before I was a Prince fan. And I'm only a young dude myself, so there's no excuse for anyone that claims to be a fan of funk.

My cousins were massive funk fans and owned all the Zapp material on vinyl. They're also professional music producers, and I vividly remember being around 8 years old, going into the studio, and them placing the first Zapp album on the decks and blasting "More Bounce" through that massive studio system. I'd never heard anything like it and I've been a huge Zapp/Roger fan ever since

alexnvrmnd777 said: