Timmy84 said:

I don't know about OTHERS, but I don't feed into it. He does this to get a response and it works as seen here.

LoL ... I know right ...

armpit said:

I just now realized that a thread about Prince's change of eating habits is one of the most active threads in this section .

Yeah, isn't that just a riot ... LoL

EmancipationLover said:

Militant said:

do any of Helmut Schmidt's immediate family also smoke 80 cigarettes a day and have lived past the age of 90? Regardless, I would bet his lungs are barely functioning at this point.

Yes, his wife died last year at the age of 91, I think. She smoked as much as him. And though he needs a wheelchair these days, he still works around 40 h per week AFAIK.

The point is: you can even come up with 5 people from your family and friends to state that they feel better since they went veggie, it's still not a scientific proof. Most vegetarians I know became veggie with an agenda, i.e. they were convinced that their new diet would be superior. With that mindset, it's only natural that you subjectively feel better after you've changed your lifestyle.

I personally have cut down my meat consumption dramatically (from nearly daily to something like once a week or so, sometimes even less), but I also started exercising at the same time. And yes, I do feel better now, but I can't tell if that results from my diet or the exercising. I have the impression that the exercising has the more pronounced effect, because in periods when I'm very busy and can't make it to the gym, I realize that I don't feel as strong as otherwise. Anyway, it's really tricky to separate all these effects from each other.

My nutritionist and GP both stated my health improved dramatically since I went vegan - it's not just personal perception.

And I didn't turn vegan thinking it would be better, I initially did it because I came to the realization one day that being vegetarian for partially ethical reasons meant I should be vegan for the same reasons, because just as much abuse (if not more in some cases) exists in the dairy industry as in the meat industry. And, logic dictated to me that consuming products based upon fluids whose sole purpose is to provide nourishment for the infants of a completely different species didn't make a great deal of sense.

It was only AFTER my health significantly improved, I was able to drop down to my optimal BMI (dairy had somewhat replaced meat in my diet when I turned vegetarian a few years prior, an easy trap to fall into resulting in me being slightly overweight, although at over 6ft it was barely noticeable) that I decided to study and read many vegan books and general books regarding nutrition to find exactly why. A book like "Skinny Bastard" (the male counterpart to the popular vegan female-centric "Skinny Bitch" series) was one of the most insightful in this regard.

I didn't go into veganism because I believed it would significantly improve my health. It was a happy accident

Hero0101 said:

Virgo92 said:

I still don't know understand the hot dog thing...

Have you ever read about what is in hot dots? Ughhhhhh That's what he meant, its disgusting!

DoffieParker said:

so prince made a point of saying he doesn't eat red meat. does this mean he's one of those annoying 'vegetarians' who eat chicken & fish?

he's had some serious protein intake just lately judging from his physique.. i think he's eating white meat on the sly

That's exactly what I was thinkin!! Thanks to Prince...I'm fairly new at this vegetarian thing, but its going really good, I've done it before, but people around me were acting really weird about it, now I just don't care. No meat for me and non in my house! I may occassionally eat fish or chicken if the doctor advises it. But no time soon. Prince is so inspiring. I was happy he cleared that up about being a vegan though cause I just found that impossible to do..

WaterInYourBath said:

Shorty said:

this may have already been said but...I'm too lazy to read all the replies right now. I even noticed he kinda shrugged his shoulders a bit and said "vegitarian, I ain't messin' with not red meat tho" (or something like that.) which to me...meant...he's eating white meat also (fish, and chicken)...not so much a vegitarian at all, more like the only thing I don't eat is red meat. (is there a name for that?)

Yep, and it's what he obviously is: Omnivorous.

First he's a vegetarian who doesn't eat red meat, as if vegetarians consume meat at all. Then, he states how there's only one Law & Order, when there are 3.....I wonder if he looks back at his interviews and thinks: "The heck was I talking about?"

....

Technically, there is ONLY 1 Law and Order. There are other shows..SVU, Criminal Intent, Trial By Jury, etc. but there is only 1 Law and Order. All others are spin-offs.

Militant said:

My nutritionist and GP both stated my health improved dramatically since I went vegan - it's not just personal perception.

I didn't go into veganism because I believed it would significantly improve my health. It was a happy accident

This is a great story...very nice for anyone thinking about at least trying. I can testify that I have 5x as much energy and require less sleep since saying goodbye to meats and junk food. I can only imagine the great things that will happen to my health as I delete other things from my diet. I have wanted to be a vegetarian since I lived on a farm back in 2003, I just needed a boast. I don't know anyone else personally who is a vegetarian or vegan, but who cares? The looks are no more weirder when you say "I don't eat meat" than when you say "We don't do schools, vaccinations, or disposable diapers." People should really open their minds up a bit more..

Thanks, Daphne!

WaterInYourBath said:

bellanoche said:

How is it a "mis-statement"? We don't know what is apparent or what his statement implies because we are not in Prince's head or stomach.

Also, there are different types of vegetarians. The term is a catch-all for various types of meatless or limited-meat diets. If I am not mistaken, there are at least eight types of vegetarians. Therefore, I do not get a the hullabaloo about how PRINCE LABELED HIS DIET. Maybe he is a pescatarian or a pollo-vegetarian or both, but did not want to spend the remainder of the interview explaining it.

Some of you act like you are the vegetarian police or worse, that you are in his kitchen or at his dinner table with him every night. You don't know what he is eating. I have had conversations where I say that I do not eat pork. Does that imply that I eat red meat? Am I contradicting myself by not stating item by item what foods I eat?

I'm simply just going by what the standard definition of the term "vegetarian" is, LOL: "A person who does not eat or does not believe in eating meat, fish, fowl, or, in some cases, any food derived from animals, as eggs or cheese, but subsists on vegetables, fruits, nuts, grain, etc." Prince and others can contort the word's meaning to suit their eating habits any way they want, but that's unsubstantial 'cause it still represents "herbivores" only.

I don't want to debate with you though. I really don't care about what Prince is consuming, lol. I just found his response to be comical.

I don't debate it with you either. I am really not trying to debate as I don't care what Prince eats either as long as he is healthy.

However, I wanted to clarify that there are different types of vegetarians, so it is not necessarily about contorting the term. I don't find Prince's response comical. What I find comical is the mind reading of some of the people here who think they know what Prince is implying when he says he is a vegetarian and doesn't mess with red meat. The fact that some people think he said that to get a response or that he is contorting the meaning of a word threw me. As I said, there are different types of vegetarians, maybe he is one of them. I just find it interesting that on this so-called fan site people go in on Prince for the simplest things - like how he describes his diet.

Spinlight said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm thinking dude has been vegetarian for years. I hardly think Larry Graham or his JW conversion had anything to do with it...

You're wrong, then. Look at the man's behavior, lyrics, life, interviews. It's not difficult to see that he picked up veganism/vegetarianism when he went through his life changes between 1997-2001.

Larry and Tina are both vegetarian/vegans as well. And he wasn't vegetarian prior to that. Brother was only vegan for a short time and he ain't even vegetarian right now. "I don't eat red meat" does not a vegetarian make. Even if his diet is MOSTLY vege. When you consume meat, you rub your name off the list of vegetarians.

Why don't you just ask people, if they are around here anymore, who went to the 96 and earlier shows at Paisley, Glam Slam(s), etc? They will back it up. Especially if you know anyone here who was there back in the day. There was a reason Prince pointedly discussed veganism in 1997+ and it wasn't because he merely came to it randomly or he was that way for years. If you recall, he also swore off booze at the time as well despite being a fair drinker in his day.

by Emancipation 1996 he mentioned soy milk, so it had to start earlier

Prints said:

Spinlight said:

You're wrong, then. Look at the man's behavior, lyrics, life, interviews. It's not difficult to see that he picked up veganism/vegetarianism when he went through his life changes between 1997-2001.

Larry and Tina are both vegetarian/vegans as well. And he wasn't vegetarian prior to that. Brother was only vegan for a short time and he ain't even vegetarian right now. "I don't eat red meat" does not a vegetarian make. Even if his diet is MOSTLY vege. When you consume meat, you rub your name off the list of vegetarians.

Why don't you just ask people, if they are around here anymore, who went to the 96 and earlier shows at Paisley, Glam Slam(s), etc? They will back it up. Especially if you know anyone here who was there back in the day. There was a reason Prince pointedly discussed veganism in 1997+ and it wasn't because he merely came to it randomly or he was that way for years. If you recall, he also swore off booze at the time as well despite being a fair drinker in his day.

by Emancipation 1996 he mentioned soy milk, so it had to start earlier

Prince said in an interview around that time that he had been a vegetarian for almost 10 years at the time.

So any statements saying that he became a vegatarian because of Larry Graham are false.

^That will make him a vegan or a vegetarian? since 1986? he went to mcd's in 1988.

catpark said:

^That will make him a vegan or a vegetarian? since 1986? he went to mcd's in 1988.

Probably in 1989 then.

802 said:

catpark said:

^That will make him a vegan or a vegetarian? since 1986? he went to mcd's in 1988.

Probably in 1989 then.

I think you you mean 1996 as it was around the Emancipation era that Prince first started talking about being vegan, in interviews and in songs, "because cows are for calves" - Joint 2 Joint.

I don't think this had anything to do with Larry or the JW's, their influence came later, c.1997.

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[Edited 4/20/11 2:21am]

After reading most of the comments I just want to tell you that being a vegetarian/vegan or just regular meateater is a personal thing. I understand that some here think that vegetarian/vegan diet is better or worse than omnivorous diet. These things can be evaluated on 1) personal level and 2) scientific level. Personally I have been a vegetarian for 13 years and I feel great and used to feel more energetic at the beginning (now I might be used to it or just getting older ), but this doesn't prove anything. There are numerous scientific articles about how meat is associated with cancer ( + cancer patients usually are restricted from eating meat) and that meat contains fat that creates high risk of heart diseases. Too much meat is bad anyway, too much of anything is bad.

But for example cooking palm oil is also very bad for your health - so not all plants are better for you healt than meat products. So if you eat balanced vegetarian or vegan food then you will live a good life, but you can enjoy great energy and healt wiht balanced omnivore diet also. The health is never guaranteed by your healthy eating, but you can do your best by eating balanced food.

The main reason for being vegetarian or meat-eater should be ethics IMO (let's not include allergies and other medical reasons). If you care about animals then go vegan/vegetarian and you feel better, but if you don't care about animals that much then eat them. It's simple!

I care about animals and diverse life on earth and I do my best to keep it that way. But it is not very macho to tell everybody that "Oh, I love animals, I care about living things" - a guy like me is still quite strange to some people. So I am tired of explaining why I am a vegetarian, that is one of the reasons that people start to find explainations to why it is better for yor health? It is very difficult to explain that it is healthier, because there are always friends who say that "my grandfather is a drunk and smokes 40 cigarettes a day and used to work at the field and he is 90!" And they are right! It is a personal thing, but for simple economic reasons IMO the society and culture needs to grow less anthropocentric, because if all the growing middle class in BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India China) countries and African nations start eating more meat and fish then it is not possible to produce that. As you might know meat production needs 20-30 times more land than vegetarian products + more water that is scarce anyway (a pound of potatoes takes 99.6% less water to produce than a pound of beef, and 97% less than a pound of chicken.)

So there is room for thought. But of course this doesn't mean much to 95% of people who are too layzy to change anything in their life, but that 5% of environmentally thinking people some of this might make sense

I love how vegans assume they are better than the rest of us.

Partiulary enjoyed the almost passive aggressive post above.

muirdo said:

I love how vegans assume they are better than the rest of us.

Partiulary enjoyed the almost passive aggressive post above.

I guess that you know a lot of people who think that they are worse than everybody

And I am not a vegan. People tend to protect their beliefs and that is what I am doing by explaining my reasons behind being vegetarian. If some people feel bad about my thought that "95% of people who are too lazy to change anything in their life" then this might be too generalized approach I agree, but I said there is room for thought!, but there are overall logical facts that can't be argued - about 20-30x timese bigger amount of water, land and fossil fuel is spent on producing meat in comparison to plants. 1 billion people are starving, there are numerous ecological problems caused by overcultivating land, deforestation, overfishing, growing desert areas and erosion of soil and so on that affects everyone on this planet. There are also facts that vegans/vegetarians can live without meat products. So this has nothing to do with being better than "the rest of us", but being more aware of world and it's problems. There are direct ways to participate in a process of making this world little bit better. I am willing to do it even if some people decide to categorize me "he thinks that he is better that than the rest of us"

We are selfcentered (me too), but we shouldn't be so anthropocentered - there are other species here also whose survival depens on us and vice versa! - this is something that can be changed with education, changing values. I don't think it is bad to care about the planet or animals?

Prints said:

After reading most of the comments I just want to tell you that being a vegetarian/vegan or just regular meateater is a personal thing.

If you care about animals then go vegan/vegetarian and you feel better, but if you don't care about animals that much then eat them. It's simple!

I care about animals and diverse life on earth and I do my best to keep it that way.

But of course this doesn't mean much to 95% of people who are too lazy to change anything in their life, but that 5% of environmentally thinking people some of this might make sense

This doesn't help your cause. Do you care enough to stop other animals eating each other? I'm sure there are supplements/alternatives that can be given.

Personally I say fuck the environment. It's not the planet anyone gives a shit about it's our ability to remain on it. Anything else is just tree-hugging bollocks.

I do my bit to reduce, re-use and respect where I can. But let's face it I'm tapping away on something that's being run, and has been built, thanks to a nuclear reactor. Not the best way to save the world. Man.

Prints said:

1 billion people are starving, there are numerous ecological problems caused by overcultivating land, deforestation, overfishing, growing desert areas and erosion of soil and so on that affects everyone on this planet.

My response to that is that there are obviously 1,000,000,000 too many people (is the glass half full, half empty or just twice as big as it needs to be?).

People should think before sticking their dick into something. Or do people become so desperate when they have literally nothing that shagging is the only thing they have left: despite the fact that any offspring are pretty certainly going to suffer the same hell they themselves are going through. Then again I'm one of the richest people on the planet. I'm white and I'm from the west. So what do I know of suffering.

catpark said:

a lettuce has about 15% of the same DNA as a human being.

veganism ain't natural, in fact i would suggest it has to be an illness! like an eating disorder.. just my

anyway, thought this thread was about prince & his comment on lopez. his answer to the veg question indicated he's eating meat, just not red meat & good on him! he looks so well, mentally & physically

as well at a recent concert he declared he doesn't eat shellfish 'cuz the bible tells him so'.. well oysters aren't everyone's cup of tea.

DoffieParker said:

...oysters aren't everyone's cup of tea.

They wouldn't make nice tea anyway

Prints said:

After reading most of the comments I just want to tell you that being a vegetarian/vegan or just regular meateater is a personal thing. I understand that some here think that vegetarian/vegan diet is better or worse than omnivorous diet. These things can be evaluated on 1) personal level and 2) scientific level. Personally I have been a vegetarian for 13 years and I feel great and used to feel more energetic at the beginning (now I might be used to it or just getting older ), but this doesn't prove anything. There are numerous scientific articles about how meat is associated with cancer ( + cancer patients usually are restricted from eating meat) and that meat contains fat that creates high risk of heart diseases. Too much meat is bad anyway, too much of anything is bad.

But for example cooking palm oil is also very bad for your health - so not all plants are better for you healt than meat products. So if you eat balanced vegetarian or vegan food then you will live a good life, but you can enjoy great energy and healt wiht balanced omnivore diet also. The health is never guaranteed by your healthy eating, but you can do your best by eating balanced food.

The main reason for being vegetarian or meat-eater should be ethics IMO (let's not include allergies and other medical reasons). If you care about animals then go vegan/vegetarian and you feel better, but if you don't care about animals that much then eat them. It's simple!

I care about animals and diverse life on earth and I do my best to keep it that way. But it is not very macho to tell everybody that "Oh, I love animals, I care about living things" - a guy like me is still quite strange to some people. So I am tired of explaining why I am a vegetarian, that is one of the reasons that people start to find explainations to why it is better for yor health? It is very difficult to explain that it is healthier, because there are always friends who say that "my grandfather is a drunk and smokes 40 cigarettes a day and used to work at the field and he is 90!" And they are right! It is a personal thing, but for simple economic reasons IMO the society and culture needs to grow less anthropocentric, because if all the growing middle class in BRIC (Brazil, Russia, India China) countries and African nations start eating more meat and fish then it is not possible to produce that. As you might know meat production needs 20-30 times more land than vegetarian products + more water that is scarce anyway (a pound of potatoes takes 99.6% less water to produce than a pound of beef, and 97% less than a pound of chicken.)

So there is room for thought. But of course this doesn't mean much to 95% of people who are too layzy to change anything in their life, but that 5% of environmentally thinking people some of this might make sense

So the 95% who don't become vegetarians are either lazy or stupid.

Thanks for your "insight."

DoffieParker said:

veganism ain't natural, in fact i would suggest it has to be an illness! like an eating disorder.. just my

anyway, thought this thread was about prince & his comment on lopez. his answer to the veg question indicated he's eating meat, just not red meat & good on him! he looks so well, mentally & physically

as well at a recent concert he declared he doesn't eat shellfish 'cuz the bible tells him so'.. well oysters aren't everyone's cup of tea.

that's extremely ignorant.

KeithyT said:

catpark said:

a lettuce has about 15% of the same DNA as a human being.

that's only the tip of the iceberg

swdee said:

DoffieParker said:

...oysters aren't everyone's cup of tea.

They wouldn't make nice tea anyway

after reading some of the stuff here i'm sure there is somebody somewhere with an oyster tea fetish

piepie1976 said:

DoffieParker said:

veganism ain't natural, in fact i would suggest it has to be an illness! like an eating disorder.. just my

anyway, thought this thread was about prince & his comment on lopez. his answer to the veg question indicated he's eating meat, just not red meat & good on him! he looks so well, mentally & physically

as well at a recent concert he declared he doesn't eat shellfish 'cuz the bible tells him so'.. well oysters aren't everyone's cup of tea.

that's extremely ignorant.

no it isn't. i raise a valid point. anyone that obsessed with food cannot be wired up right!