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PrintableHandclapsfingasnapz said: d & p, hands down.
 I AGREE ... RAVE WAS Beautiful >>>"STRANGE!"<<< | |
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D&P had Gett Off , Cream, Money Do... ., Insatiable , and promotion they cant B compared ... and Prince did not bail on that Project | |
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naturegirl said: On RaveIn2 the Joy Fantastic...
I always wondered why Prince is standing around the corner lookin like he is waiting for something or somebody, and what is in his hand? ? | |
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Diamonds&Pearls easily sparkles over Rave though that ain't saying Much IMHO.but the difference is that Prince had a song or two to fall back on.Rave seemed tossed together&the type of Album Prince did while waiting in Line for His Tofu Dogs with Extra Mustard. mistermaxxx | |
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First time I listened, I loved 'RAVE'... | |
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otan said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
You mean a CRAP slide. That record is nothing more than a COASTER at my house. I guess it has to do with when folks got into Prince. D&P seems to be a turning point from the old style into the new style... more rapping, more sampled loops, etc, which is ALL that Crap un2 the Crap Craptastic. So, if you dig that stuff, then you'll like Rave. If you got into Prince LONG before that style (like back when he PLAYED the keys instead of programming them, and his rap was ONLY on Irresistable Bitch) then, I think between the 2, D&P would get a more respect. Gett Off IS tha bomb, and Thunder too. I'm sorry, but NOTHING on Rave comes close. I got into Prince before Diamonds and Pearls came out. Diamonds and Pearls just doesn't stand the test of time as an album for me. I like it, but it is more out of nostalgia than anything. The only songs that still interest me are "Cream," "Thunder," "Live 4 Love," "Gett Off" and "Willing and Able." Rave on the other hand has a lot of songs that appeal to me. The only one that I believe is weak is "Silly Game." | |
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TRON said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
Just out of curiosity, cuz we've never talked about it that much, what is it about Rave that you like so much? Other than the title track, what do you feel are classic songs on there? As for me, I pick Diamonds and Pearls. I don't care what anyone says, I still think it was a smart move. The look was great, the live band sound was great, the videos were great, the singles were great. I can only find one dud on the whole albuma and I don't mind the rapping at all. People praise Symbol, but that has just as much rapping. I don't and never will understand the backlash against this album. I don't have a vendetta against Diamonds and Pearls. I just feel like I've grown past it. As for classic songs on "Rave," here you go... "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold"- this song is a grower. I wasn't too entranced by it on first listen, but it has grown on me considerably. It is sexy and beautiful and deserves the praise it gets. "Hot Wit U"- I've always loved this one. It's got a great beat and Eve adds a lot. I think this would have been a hit. "Tangerine"- short and bittersweet MASTERPIECE. It reflects mood better than Prince had been showcasing in awhile. "So Far, So Pleased"- a pop/rock masterpiece in the same ilk as ICNTTPOYM. Gwen makes the song even sexier and the guitar just ROARS. This would have been enormously popular if released. "The Sun, the Moon and Stars"- a heartfelt, sexy and quirky gem that never fails to make me smile. "I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore"- this song competes with "And God Created Woman" for my favorite Prince ballad of the 90s. Enough said. "Strange But True"- fun and quirky in an older school way. It's very dance-worthy and kinetic. "Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do"- it may be derivative of "Forever in My Life," but it gets its message across in a nice way. "Prettyman"- I wasn't crazy about this song at first, but the funk of it has just gotten to me. All of the other songs except "Silly Game" are at least decent in my book. | |
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Moonbeam said:[quote] TRON said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
Just out of curiosity, cuz we've never talked about it that much, what is it about Rave that you like so much? Other than the title track, what do you feel are classic songs on there? As for me, I pick Diamonds and Pearls. I don't care what anyone says, I still think it was a smart move. The look was great, the live band sound was great, the videos were great, the singles were great. I can only find one dud on the whole albuma and I don't mind the rapping at all. People praise Symbol, but that has just as much rapping. I don't and never will understand the backlash against this album. I don't have a vendetta against Diamonds and Pearls. I just feel like I've grown past it. As for classic songs on "Rave," here you go... "The Greatest Romance Ever Sold"- this song is a grower. I wasn't too entranced by it on first listen, but it has grown on me considerably. It is sexy and beautiful and deserves the praise it gets. "Hot Wit U"- I've always loved this one. It's got a great beat and Eve adds a lot. I think this would have been a hit. "Tangerine"- short and bittersweet MASTERPIECE. It reflects mood better than Prince had been showcasing in awhile. "So Far, So Pleased"- a pop/rock masterpiece in the same ilk as ICNTTPOYM. Gwen makes the song even sexier and the guitar just ROARS. This would have been enormously popular if released. "The Sun, the Moon and Stars"- a heartfelt, sexy and quirky gem that never fails to make me smile. "I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore"- this song competes with "And God Created Woman" for my favorite Prince ballad of the 90s. Enough said. "Strange But True"- fun and quirky in an older school way. It's very dance-worthy and kinetic. "Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do"- it may be derivative of "Forever in My Life," but it gets its message across in a nice way. "Prettyman"- I wasn't crazy about this song at first, but the funk of it has just gotten to me. All of the other songs except "Silly Game" are at least decent in my book.[/quote That is my point. Track for Track Rave is actually a pretty good album. Sure its lacks any sort of cohesiveness unlike Diamonds And Pearls and the likes of Emancipation. But the songs burn brighter. If prince had given the songs out on Rave as singular MP3s to club members i think a lot of people would be commenting on how great a lot of the stuff is. People would be posting their ideal tracklist orders etc. Rave is just badly assembled.. | |
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I dig Rave, but I have to say DP.. cracknbush | |
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Moonbeam said: otan said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
You mean a CRAP slide. That record is nothing more than a COASTER at my house. I guess it has to do with when folks got into Prince. D&P seems to be a turning point from the old style into the new style... more rapping, more sampled loops, etc, which is ALL that Crap un2 the Crap Craptastic. So, if you dig that stuff, then you'll like Rave. If you got into Prince LONG before that style (like back when he PLAYED the keys instead of programming them, and his rap was ONLY on Irresistable Bitch) then, I think between the 2, D&P would get a more respect. Gett Off IS tha bomb, and Thunder too. I'm sorry, but NOTHING on Rave comes close. I got into Prince before Diamonds and Pearls came out. Diamonds and Pearls just doesn't stand the test of time as an album for me. I like it, but it is more out of nostalgia than anything. The only songs that still interest me are "Cream," "Thunder," "Live 4 Love," "Gett Off" and "Willing and Able." Rave on the other hand has a lot of songs that appeal to me. The only one that I believe is weak is "Silly Game." What about Walk Don't Walk, Horny Pony, Daddy Pop and Insatiable? Those are classic songs! | |
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TRON said: Moonbeam said: otan said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
You mean a CRAP slide. That record is nothing more than a COASTER at my house. I guess it has to do with when folks got into Prince. D&P seems to be a turning point from the old style into the new style... more rapping, more sampled loops, etc, which is ALL that Crap un2 the Crap Craptastic. So, if you dig that stuff, then you'll like Rave. If you got into Prince LONG before that style (like back when he PLAYED the keys instead of programming them, and his rap was ONLY on Irresistable Bitch) then, I think between the 2, D&P would get a more respect. Gett Off IS tha bomb, and Thunder too. I'm sorry, but NOTHING on Rave comes close. I got into Prince before Diamonds and Pearls came out. Diamonds and Pearls just doesn't stand the test of time as an album for me. I like it, but it is more out of nostalgia than anything. The only songs that still interest me are "Cream," "Thunder," "Live 4 Love," "Gett Off" and "Willing and Able." Rave on the other hand has a lot of songs that appeal to me. The only one that I believe is weak is "Silly Game." What about Walk Don't Walk, Horny Pony, Daddy Pop and Insatiable? Those are classic songs! The only one I haven't grown past is "Insatiable" and even that would be bottom quarter on "Rave." | |
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TRON said: Moonbeam said: otan said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
You mean a CRAP slide. That record is nothing more than a COASTER at my house. I guess it has to do with when folks got into Prince. D&P seems to be a turning point from the old style into the new style... more rapping, more sampled loops, etc, which is ALL that Crap un2 the Crap Craptastic. So, if you dig that stuff, then you'll like Rave. If you got into Prince LONG before that style (like back when he PLAYED the keys instead of programming them, and his rap was ONLY on Irresistable Bitch) then, I think between the 2, D&P would get a more respect. Gett Off IS tha bomb, and Thunder too. I'm sorry, but NOTHING on Rave comes close. I got into Prince before Diamonds and Pearls came out. Diamonds and Pearls just doesn't stand the test of time as an album for me. I like it, but it is more out of nostalgia than anything. The only songs that still interest me are "Cream," "Thunder," "Live 4 Love," "Gett Off" and "Willing and Able." Rave on the other hand has a lot of songs that appeal to me. The only one that I believe is weak is "Silly Game." What about Walk Don't Walk, Horny Pony, Daddy Pop and Insatiable? Those are classic songs! Money Don't Matter 2nite deserves a mention. | |
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Moonbeam said: All of the other songs except "Silly Game" are at least decent in my book. Interesting, I've always really liked Silly Game. | |
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TRON said: Moonbeam said: otan said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
You mean a CRAP slide. That record is nothing more than a COASTER at my house. I guess it has to do with when folks got into Prince. D&P seems to be a turning point from the old style into the new style... more rapping, more sampled loops, etc, which is ALL that Crap un2 the Crap Craptastic. So, if you dig that stuff, then you'll like Rave. If you got into Prince LONG before that style (like back when he PLAYED the keys instead of programming them, and his rap was ONLY on Irresistable Bitch) then, I think between the 2, D&P would get a more respect. Gett Off IS tha bomb, and Thunder too. I'm sorry, but NOTHING on Rave comes close. I got into Prince before Diamonds and Pearls came out. Diamonds and Pearls just doesn't stand the test of time as an album for me. I like it, but it is more out of nostalgia than anything. The only songs that still interest me are "Cream," "Thunder," "Live 4 Love," "Gett Off" and "Willing and Able." Rave on the other hand has a lot of songs that appeal to me. The only one that I believe is weak is "Silly Game." What about Walk Don't Walk, Horny Pony, Daddy Pop and Insatiable? Those are classic songs! That stuff is pure junk and should've stayed in The Vault. Diamonds and Pearls is pure candyfloss. Only Gett Off and Money Don't Matter 2night are songs that really coun't as genuine classics. Willing and able, Strollin and the title track are pleasant pop tunes. That is it though. There are more keepers on Rave.. | |
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Moonbeam said: TRON said: Moonbeam said: otan said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
You mean a CRAP slide. That record is nothing more than a COASTER at my house. I guess it has to do with when folks got into Prince. D&P seems to be a turning point from the old style into the new style... more rapping, more sampled loops, etc, which is ALL that Crap un2 the Crap Craptastic. So, if you dig that stuff, then you'll like Rave. If you got into Prince LONG before that style (like back when he PLAYED the keys instead of programming them, and his rap was ONLY on Irresistable Bitch) then, I think between the 2, D&P would get a more respect. Gett Off IS tha bomb, and Thunder too. I'm sorry, but NOTHING on Rave comes close. I got into Prince before Diamonds and Pearls came out. Diamonds and Pearls just doesn't stand the test of time as an album for me. I like it, but it is more out of nostalgia than anything. The only songs that still interest me are "Cream," "Thunder," "Live 4 Love," "Gett Off" and "Willing and Able." Rave on the other hand has a lot of songs that appeal to me. The only one that I believe is weak is "Silly Game." What about Walk Don't Walk, Horny Pony, Daddy Pop and Insatiable? Those are classic songs! The only one I haven't grown past is "Insatiable" and even that would be bottom quarter on "Rave." Wow. See to me, Rave only has a handful of great songs. It's not that I don't like the album, cuz I do. I just think it's average and kindof a flat listen. It seems like he wasn't really into it or something. If you combine the best of the regular and the remix album, it's quite a bit better. As is though, there are only a couple tracks that I would rate as an 8 or better- Rave, Tangerine, SM&S, ILUBIDTUA and maybe Wherever U Go. I grew past that album in about a month, but I still love Diamonds and Pearls! I guess I fall in with the herd with Rave (but don't hate it) and you fall in with the herd with D's & P's. Now, if Rave could be combined as one album like so, I would like it a lot better. 1. Rave - remix (put the regular on Crystal Ball) 2. Undisputed - Moneyapolis (the regular sucks in comparison) 3. TGRES (In2 version w/ Eve) 4. Hot Wit U 5. Tangerine - extended 6. So Far, So Pleased 7. The Sun, Moon and Stars 8. Man 'O' War - remix 9. Baby Knows - extended 10. I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore 11. Strange But True 12. Beautiful Strange 13. Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do 14. Prettyman - extended [This message was edited Fri Feb 7 19:27:04 PST 2003 by TRON] | |
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TRON said: Moonbeam said: TRON said: Moonbeam said: otan said: Moonbeam said: Rave by a landslide.
You mean a CRAP slide. That record is nothing more than a COASTER at my house. I guess it has to do with when folks got into Prince. D&P seems to be a turning point from the old style into the new style... more rapping, more sampled loops, etc, which is ALL that Crap un2 the Crap Craptastic. So, if you dig that stuff, then you'll like Rave. If you got into Prince LONG before that style (like back when he PLAYED the keys instead of programming them, and his rap was ONLY on Irresistable Bitch) then, I think between the 2, D&P would get a more respect. Gett Off IS tha bomb, and Thunder too. I'm sorry, but NOTHING on Rave comes close. I got into Prince before Diamonds and Pearls came out. Diamonds and Pearls just doesn't stand the test of time as an album for me. I like it, but it is more out of nostalgia than anything. The only songs that still interest me are "Cream," "Thunder," "Live 4 Love," "Gett Off" and "Willing and Able." Rave on the other hand has a lot of songs that appeal to me. The only one that I believe is weak is "Silly Game." What about Walk Don't Walk, Horny Pony, Daddy Pop and Insatiable? Those are classic songs! The only one I haven't grown past is "Insatiable" and even that would be bottom quarter on "Rave." Wow. See to me, Rave only has a handful of great songs. It's not that I don't like the album, cuz I do. I just think it's average and kindof a flat listen. It seems like he wasn't really into it or something. If you combine the best of the regular and the remix album, it's quite a bit better. As is though, there are only a couple tracks that I would rate as an 8 or better- Rave, Tangerine, SM&S, ILUBIDTUA and maybe Wherever U Go. I grew past that album in about a month, but I still love Diamonds and Pearls! I guess I fall in with the herd with Rave (but don't hate it) and you fall in with the herd with D's & P's. Now, if Rave could be combined as one album like so, I would like it a lot better. 1. Rave - remix (put the regular on Crystal Ball) 2. Undisputed - Moneyapolis (the regular sucks in comparison) 3. TGRES (In2 version w/ Eve) 4. Hot Wit U 5. Tangerine - extended 6. So Far, So Pleased 7. The Sun, Moon and Stars 8. Man 'O' War - remix 9. Baby Knows - extended 10. I Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore 11. Strange But True 12. Beautiful Strange 13. Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do 14. Prettyman - extended [This message was edited Fri Feb 7 19:27:04 PST 2003 by TRON] I guess you are right- your Diamonds and Pearls is my Rave. | |
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Moonbeam said: "So Far, So Pleased"- a pop/rock masterpiece in the same ilk as ICNTTPOYM. Gwen makes the song even sexier and the guitar just ROARS. This would have been enormously popular if released. "Strange But True"- fun and quirky in an older school way. It's very dance-worthy and kinetic. The music and lyrics of So Far, So Pleased seem much less classic than I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man. However, I do think that Strange But True is great. | |
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Moonbeam said:
I guess you are right- your Diamonds and Pearls is my Rave.
Except you sound a lot more against Diamonds and Pearls than I do Rave. It sounds like it's in that category for you that I put the "Diva" album into. Like you wouldn't care if you ever heard it again.  | |
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I wouldn't care if i never heard Diamonds And Pearls again. It's possibly his worst album. | |
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There both damn near tied in my book, but I'll have to go with Rave, just because I listen to it a little more often for some reason and because of Man of War and ILYBIDTYA... | |
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Rave | |
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I... I can't leave da club wit'out my jewels! - Sheila E.
translation = D&P   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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I suppose if I had to choose, it would be Diamonds And Pearls, but I don't really care for either album. In fact, I am somewhat saddened by the reality that in both cases, the follow-up projects were considerably better [o(+> and The Rainbow Children], and in both cases, the follow-ups neither garnered as much attention or sold as well as their predecessors. | |
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That's like comparing urine to crap,but if we must. Seriously though of all the albums I have these two see no parts of my CD player. Usually it takes a while for albums to grow on me. It took months for me to appreciate what a gem Rainbow Children was. As for D&P and Rave... I'm still waiting. There are some good songs on each: Daddy Pop, Insatiable,I Love You But..., So Far So Pleased, and Beautiful Strange (SE version I know). However, other than I Love You But I Don't Trust You Anymore I could do without all of these songs. Hell, I do. |
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They're both not on my top 10 list, but I think I'd pick
Diamonds & Pearls Simply because it has "Thunder", "Diamonds & Pearls", "Cream", "Strollin", "Willing and Able", "Gett Off", "Walk Don't Walk", "$ Don't Matter 2Nite", "Insatiable" and "Live 4 Love". Ok, there are some commercial disasters on that album and it might not be his best, but it still has more good song than, say, the o(+> album. And well, Rave has some nice tunes too, but I can't come up to more than 5 or so. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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I pick Rave because I like more songs on that album than on D&P.
Songs such as: Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic The Greatest Romance Ever Sold The Sun, Moon and Stars So Far, So Pleased  Love U But I Don't Trust U Anymore My name is BISCUIT...and I am funky!  | |
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Definately "D&P". I love the 1st half of the record, there are some great tracks there, but I must admit there are some quite annoying songs on this album as well, need I say "Jughead"? With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A.... | |
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u cant even have the two in the same sentence as diamonds and pearls was one of the best albums of the 90's.At the time it was his best since SOTT.It sure as hell made up for the graffiti bridge film. | |
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i havent got D&P but after reading these posts i think i will leave it until later to buy!
i like rave though and have never understood its hugely bad press. i think it sounds like r&b at times, with undisputed and hot wit u, and even though i generally dont like that style for some reason its ok when prince does it, i think it just has a better melody. i also think i love you but i dont trust you anymore is one of his best songs, is that about his split with mayte? also, wherever u go whatever u do, i thought was an old song that prince had re-done, i assumed he wrote it for someone else (turns out richard marx) and then decided to record it himself on his new album. but i downloaded the richard marx song right here waiting and the lyrics are mostly different. has anyone else noticed the similarity between those two songs? | |
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I've heard a critic liken Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do to Every Breath You Take. | |
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